The headline from YNetNews is rather telling: "Syria, Iran determined to protect Hizbullah." Not Lebanon, which, of course, has become an expendable pawn of its own making in this conflict, due to its government's refusal to confront Hizbullah and its foreign backers, even amid the anti-Syrian fervor that followed the Hariri assassination.
From YNetNews:
The Qatar-based newspaper Al-Watan reported Wednesday that Syria and Iran will cooperate with each other in order to prevent the dissolution of Hizbullah and to preserve its struggle with Israel.
According to credible Syrian sources, the newspaper reported, there is an agreement between Damascus and Tehran stating the prevention of either military or political defeat of Hizbullah as paramount, creating a joint Syrian-Iranian stance based on the clear vision that any defeat of Hizbullah is a red line for the both countries.
Both Syria and Iran thoroughly understand that the measure of Hizbullah’s strength against Israel gives precedent to strategic changes in the whole region. The influence of the military confrontation being conducted now, claim the same Syrian sources, extend beyond all geographic borders and have implications for the entire Middle East, from Gaza to Iraq. As such, protecting the "resistance" in Lebanon and the territories is at the center of Damascus’ and Tehran’s strategic decisions.
[...]
Damascus and Tehran are closely following the developments in Lebanon and are prepared to get involved, if needed, to protect Hizbullah or to prevent the imposition of "suspicious" political agreements or conditions on them.
The sources added that there are regional attempts, international and even Lebanese, to accept Israel’s conditions and to implement Security Council Resolution 1559, which entails disarmament of Hizbullah and extricating the organization from the conflict. The sources emphasized that this will never happen especially because, from their perspective, any agreement or deal needs to protect Hizbullah and to preserve its legitimate right to resist Israel, be it in Lebanon or in the territories.
It should be noted that today’s reports are in accordance with a report published yesterday in London-based al-Sharq al-Awsat. They also reinforce estimations in Israel that Iran is willing to do anything to keep Hizbullah on its feet after the current confrontation, just as Iran has done in past years, with the goal of rehabilitating the organization of the "Judgment Day" against Israel.
It may be time for Saudi Arabia to make Bashar al-Assad an offer he won't be able to refuse. Not money, or not mainly money. Something else: the threat that every Arab newspaper, every Arab television station, controlled by the Saudis and the Kuwaitis and the Emiratians. And while we are at it, since only two of the constitueent emirates -- Abu Dhabi and Dubai -- in that U.A.E concoction are ever mentioned in the Western press, let's list the other five of the seven here. Drum roll, p[lease. Come on out, and take a bow: Ras Al Khaimah, and Sharjah, and Ajman, and Umm Al Quwain and yes, you too, bashful little Fujairah. See. you hadn't heard of them, had you? Admit it.
Well, the Alawites of Syria have been under the gun and the bomb before. And Hafez al-Assad, were he alive, would never have gotten into the mess that Bashar al-Assad has now gotten himself, and the Alawites, into. He would have pulled back, and concentrated on shoring up the Alawite position inside Syria, sensing danger from everywhere -- from the Kurds, from Israel, from the United States, even possibly from Turkey that might wish to help itself to something to go with that dish of Alexandretta it was served up many decades ago.
Picture this. Al-Jazeera story on the Syrian Alawites. How they owe their power to the French in bad old mandate days. How they have lorded it over the "real" Muslims. How they close down the government at Christmas. How they trust the Christians to serve as everything from food tasters to bodyguards and drivers. How they have pictures of Mary in their houses -- shots, please, of an Alawite village, and of those pictures in the Alawite houses. Then remind everyone of how the Alawites massacred true-blue Muslims in Hama. Remind everyone watching at home, all those Sunnis, that the Alawites of Syria are now so closely allied with the mad Shi'a Persians who wish even to lay claim to the allegiance of Sunni Arabs.
Keep it up. Keep it up until the Sunni Muslims in Syria try, and try again, as they did before Hama, and let's see if Bashar al-Assad is a chip off the murderous old block or if, sensing his weakness, the Muslim men go after their Alawite officers and finish not only him, but his whole regime, and the Alawites, off.
Or he and the grownups in the Alawite ruling circles could switch course, and end their alliance with Iran, and concentrate on their own survival, as quasi-Muslims in a very Muslim neighborhood. It would not take much -- an Israeli victory of the 82-0 variety (that was the score the last time the Israeli air force and the Syrian air force tangled) would not be good for the Alawites.
But also not good for the Alawites would be a well-financed, by Saudi Arabia and the Emirates (one more time: Ras Al Khaimah, Sharjah, Abu Dahbi, Dubai, Ajman, Umm al Quwain, Fujairah) amd Kuwait and Bahrain (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Bahrain all have a problem with Shi'a minorities in the first two, and a Shi'a majority in the last). Syria has tried to be as helpful as it can to Sunnis going off to kill Infidels and Shi'a in Iraq, and as helpful as it can to Shi'a going off to kill Infidels in Israel by way of Lebanon. So far the Alawites have stayed in power.
But that is only because the Sunni Arabs thought that Syria would not so firmly ally itself with Iran. Now it appears to have done so. The Saudis and other rich Arabs have ways. They should use them.
The common enemy of Israel and Lebanon are the tentacles of Portable Iran-Syria ( Hizbullah etc.) and ultimately the head of the Snake-Iran-Syria. The method of making that clear is well illustrated in the Israeli flyers being dropped on Lebanon (note article below) that warn folks that the snake will be dealt with and that innocent people should keep keep out of harms way on the matter.
This is not only the right thing to do-it is the smart thing to do since it undermines any propaganda that attempts to make Israel look like a bully. The bully is the snake Iran-Syra and its mobile tentacles(Hizbullah etc.)
Winning the perception war: "Israeli flyers rain down on bemused Lebanese"....
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-07-18T115204Z_01_L1660477_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-LEBANON-FLYERS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
The common enemy of Israel and Lebanon are the tentacles of Portable Iran-Syria ( Hizbullah etc.) and ultimately the head of the Snake-Iran-Syria. The method of making that clear is well illustrated in the Israeli flyers being dropped on Lebanon (note article below) that warn folks that the snake will be dealt with and that innocent people should keep keep out of harms way on the matter.
This is not only the right thing to do-it is the smart thing to do since it undermines any propaganda that attempts to make Israel look like a bully. The bully is the snake Iran-Syra and its mobile tentacles(Hizbullah etc.)
Winning the perception war: "Israeli flyers rain down on bemused Lebanese"....
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-07-18T115204Z_01_L1660477_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-LEBANON-FLYERS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
According to credible Syrian sources, the newspaper reported, there is an agreement between Damascus and Tehran stating the prevention of either military or political defeat of Hizbullah as paramount, creating a joint Syrian-Iranian stance based on the clear vision that any defeat of Hizbullah is a red line for the both countries.
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and how much more proof does the world need and will israel have to have before syria and iran are destroyed?????
It's time for Syria and Iran to be met on the battlefield.
Troubling news:
Did the President Just Give Israel a Deadline?.
For background on Israel's strike on the Iraqi nuclear capability and what it would take to tackle Iran's similiar capability see:
Israel and Iran: Prelude to Attack.
The idea that Israel and Lebanon have common enemy is non-sense.
Lebanon embrasses Hibullah; it's citizen elected Hibullah because they see it as a strong arm again Israel.
Only Arabs would choose thugs for a government. Only Arabs do not expect no service from their governments; they expect only wars as entertainment in scoring points as that in the boxing match. Arab rulers can do anything without accountability because they do not need tax money from their citizens; they have oil money---it's easy money; the fruit of the westerners hard labor in pumping their oil.
Arabs can never have democracy because they can never be like westerners tax payers who expect responsible governments. Look how they use their residential basement for terrorist ammo storage. Only Arabs would see it as religious duty to help thugs in the name of jihad.
The idea that Israel and Lebanon have common enemy is non-sense.
Lebanon embrasses Hibullah; it's citizen elected Hibullah because they see it as a strong arm again Israel.
Only Muslims would choose thugs for a government. Only Muslims do not expect no service from their governments; they expect only wars as entertainment in scoring points as that of the boxing match. Musluim rulers can do anything without accountability because they do not need tax money from their citizens; they have oil money---it's easy money; the fruit of the westerners hard labor in pumping their oil.
Muslim world can never have true democracy because they can never be like western tax payers who expect responsiblity from their governments. Look how the Muslims use their residential basements for terrorist ammo storage. Only Muslims would see it as religious duty to help thugs in the name of jihad. Only muslims would would kill over a contrived flushing of a man printed Koran. They see Koran so holy as if it's not made of a material commonly found on earth.
The Muslim will never have anything in common with Israel. Period.
ssa, I agree 100%. Texican, it's only a matter of time. Islam is going to be destroyed or at least minimised.
The sad bit in all of this is that there will be a lot of harm done to Israel but Israel will always exist as Israel...no matter what countries come against her.
The dear old MSM are withholding news from you again. Israeli radio and TV stations are reporting three children killed in Nazareth [don't know whether Muslim or Christian; most of the population there is now Muslim]. After hearing that news on Israeli stations, I turned on Sky and CNN. Not a word about children killed in Nazareth. By the way, the Israeli Arab town of Majd al-Krum was hit by several rockets a few days ago. I don't think that that was reported on the international stations either.
One of the rockets that hit Nazareth came down on the garage of the Mazda car dealership, for those who know the town of Nazareth.
Updating: Sky announced the deaths in Nazareth at 6:23 pm Israel time, but quickly breezed through the item. CNN still is not announcing it.
The firepower of hizbollah rockets increasing. Effectiveness, too. The U.S. is reluctant to pursue the iranian and syrian angle since it wants to limit the conflict to Israel and hezbollah.
As if turning a blind eye in the past has been good for anything except to delay the inevitable.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/19/news/missile.php
"their perspective, any agreement or deal needs to protect Hizbullah and to preserve its legitimate right to resist Israel"
What legitimate right is that then? Why do the media constantly fail to question these statements and act as if private mercenary armies actually do have some legitimacy?
"their perspective, any agreement or deal needs to protect Hizbullah and to preserve its legitimate right to resist Israel"
What legitimate right is that then? Why do the media constantly fail to question these statements and act as if private mercenary armies actually do have some legitimacy?
"their perspective, any agreement or deal needs to protect Hizbullah and to preserve its legitimate right to resist Israel"
What legitimate right is that then? Why do the media constantly fail to question these statements and act as if private mercenary armies actually do have some legitimacy?
"Lebanon embrasses Hibullah; it's citizen elected Hibullah because they see it as a strong arm again Israel."
SSA-Many in Lebanon are oppressed by these thugs and Israel is doing well by them. I'm sure many Lebanese citizens see Isreal's military action as a kind of Termite-Rodent Co. clearing out Hibullah termites and rodents. Isreal knows there are plenty of such people in Lebanon-hence the humorous flyers the IAF sent to them.
I think you may have been thinking of the Pals when you wrote your post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_general_election%2C_2005
"Lebanon embrasses Hibullah; it's citizen elected Hibullah because they see it as a strong arm again Israel."
SSA-Many in Lebanon are oppressed by these thugs and Israel is doing well by them. I'm sure many Lebanese citizens see Isreal's military action as a kind of Termite-Rodent Co. clearing out Hibullah termites and rodents. Isreal knows there are plenty of such people in Lebanon-hence the humorous flyers the IAF sent to them.
I think you may have been thinking of the Pals when you wrote your post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_general_election%2C_2005
"their perspective, any agreement or deal needs to protect Hizbullah and to preserve its legitimate right to resist Israel"
What legitimate right is that then? Why do the media constantly fail to question these statements and act as if private mercenary armies actually do have some legitimacy?
"Lebanon embrasses Hibullah; it's citizen elected Hibullah because they see it as a strong arm again Israel."
SSA-Many in Lebanon are oppressed by these thugs and Israel is doing well by them. I'm sure many Lebanese citizens see Isreal's military action as a kind of Termite-Rodent Co. clearing out Hibullah termites and rodents. Isreal knows there are plenty of such people in Lebanon-hence the humorous flyers the IAF sent to them.
I think you may have been thinking of the Pals when you wrote your post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_general_election%2C_2005
"Lebanon embrasses Hibullah; it's citizen elected Hibullah because they see it as a strong arm again Israel."
SSA-Many in Lebanon are oppressed by these thugs and Israel is doing well by them. I'm sure many Lebanese citizens see Isreal's military action as a kind of Termite-Rodent Co. clearing out Hibullah termites and rodents. Isreal knows there are plenty of such people in Lebanon-hence the humorous flyers the IAF sent to them.
I think you may have been thinking of the Pals when you wrote your post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_general_election%2C_2005
Folks-Sorry re the multiple posts. I hit the "post" button and the screen indicated that it was not posted. So I back-stepped and tried it again and again and again. Apparently the comment was being posted each time the sceen said "no can do." What a pain in the neck...
Folks-Sorry re the multiple posts. I hit the "post" button and the screen indicated that it was not posted. So I back-stepped and tried it again and again and again. Apparently the comment was being posted each time the sceen said "no can do." What a pain in the neck...
I keep getting this stuff-when it really is posting...again, sorry..
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I knew it was only a matter of time before Syria and Iran exposed their underbelly -- as the truth always comes out.
Watch them find some conniving way to deny their support for Hizbollah in order that they would appear innocent and uninvolved -- liars always do.
Frank (and anyone else)
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For the past 25 years Hizbollah, and Hamas have continiously grown like cancers in Lebanon, and Palestine. Their growth has continued to spiral out of control because of the requested restraints, and continious peace intitiatives that where brought forth by the US and other western countries and all for naught, because no one who tries to broker these peace intiatives takes time to study the ever driven Jihadist ideology that permeates these countries.
The call for hudnas' has only helped these terrorist organizations gather more strength. Now we see the intrenchment of Hezbollah into the Lebanese government where they now hold at least 23 seats in the Lebanese parliament, and now we see Hamas as the dominate party in the territory of Palestine.
Are we still going to call Lebanon a country that we can work with when it is slowly being controlled and manipulated by the worlds largest and wealthiest terrorist organization that is taking its clues from Iran, and Syria?
What ever happened to the UN security Councils resolution 1559? The Security Council declared its support for a free and fair presidential election in Lebanon conducted according to Lebanese constitutional rules devised without foreign interference or influence and, in that connection, called upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon.It called for the strict respect of Lebanon’s sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity, and political independence under the sole and exclusive authority of the Government of Lebanon throughout the country.
Under UN 1559 the Council called for the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias. It also called upon all parties concerned to cooperate fully and urgently with the Council for the full implementation of all its resolutions concerning the restoration in Lebanon of territorial integrity, full sovereignty and political independence.
It called for Lebanese troops to man the border between Israel, and Lebanon, but instead we find Hizbollah along that border and no Lebanese army troops to be seen.
Along that border are UN watch dogs who do nothing at all and look the other way as Hizbollah continiously pummels Israel with rockets and yet the Lebanese government and their military has done nothing at all to implement the requirements of UN 1559.
I just saw a CNN article which made me wretch. This Hizbulah tool was taking a CNN pawn through "civillian" areas that Isreal bombed. "Look! Does this look like an army base!!!" Well, anybody in the know, and this retarded "experienced CNN reporter" should be in the know, knows that Hizbulah stores weapons in civillian buildings. And what of the indiscriminate rockets fired into Isreal? Rockets that cannot be aimed with any accuracy? Did this reporter mention these or ask this liar questions about it? I called the Hizbulah representative a liar, because that what muslims do when dealing with the enemy. It is in the Koran and we witness it every day. People need to understand that we are being lied to by the muslim community. Even the moderates lie. They are the ones best suited to end the dominance of the supposedly few "perversers" of Islam. But yet they do not. Why? People need to ask themselves this question.
I have lost so much respect for CNN recently...
Al Jazeera are running a poll - 'Who do you think is mainly to blame for the current Middle East crisis?'
So far Israel has 32 percent, and Hezbollah only 22 percent. (Personally I think Hezbollah should have about 90 percent).
So let's surprise them - go and vote for Hezbollah!
The link is:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/98DF8717-1DD4-435F-9035-5B784D5D1A06.htm
and the poll is at the bottom right.
It has finally happened....some allah u akbar idiot in Hizbteezee decided that launching an unprovoked attack on isreali soil was a good idea. No doubt thinking that israel would back track and offer a swap of prisoners for the two soldiers. They seem to have forgotten that israel in the past made these swaps becasue they had too many citizens in vulnerable positions now however they settlers are gone and hte IDF is out of South Lebanon...voila israel is free to treat with these muslim dogs
I for one hope that the israelis liquidate the hizbteezee from the south COMPLETELY!! When they are finished i will personally head back to lebanon to string up that FUCKING DOG NASRALLAH for what he has done to my country. No blame can fall on the israelis for this...they are only doing what any other country would do-DEFEND ITS BORDERS.
Anyone who repeats the worn out rhetorical bullshit about how this mess is as a result of israeli "occupation" should excuse himself from rational thinking. This is pure and simple Syrian and iranian instigated trouble. Assad and and the mighty midgit in Iran thought they had a plan but it seems it is now out of their control...and their plan is slowly being flushed down the toilet along with Hizballah.
Message to Israel--Don't stop until you reach the Litani!!!!
SHUNKLEASH (PBUH)
Mackie,
No peace treaty or peace brokering would bring peace to any weakling.
History has shown: Those who seek peace treaties or preace brokering are usually losers after picking the fight.
For any county to have peace, it requires deterence. If your enemy is afraid of being defeated, it will leave you live in peace. It's the kind of peace that was tacitly given to you. No treaty or brokering of peace would be needed.
Many third parties now a days would like to broker peace between two fighters because they want to be popular and want business to flow into their coffer. They are disingenuous. If the US supports the brokering, that means the US will provide the money. Russia tried it, without money from the US, because it wanted oil money and also to take away world leadership from the US. The same is true of the France.
Shunk -
AWESOME post -- I completely agree with you!!!
Go Israel!!
Skunkleash
Not to rehash old arguments, but dogs don't deserve to be defamed by equating with Muslims, particularly Nasrallah.
You need someone like Robert 'Cobra' Hatem or Elie Hobeika, the version of them before they switched over to Syria's side. Re-do Sabra & Chatila, but this time on Hizbullah and their sympathizers.
And rebuild the Lebanese Forces militia. Declare Taif dead.
Frank,
Don't be so naive to believe in Wikipedia. It's no encylopidia.
Anyone can write your factual biography on Wikipedia; but if you don't like what they write, you can change it to suit your taste.
That's the kind of reputation Wikipedia has earned for itself.
The same with Rueter; it has lower itself to the level of reputation Al-jazeeraj has earned.
Both sources you quoted have lost their credibility.
Both are manufacturers of lies.
This seems to be the unfolding problem.Hezbollah is a deterant force for Iran.If Hezbollah is neutralized Isreal and the west have a more easer way of pressuring Iran or even miltery strikes against Irans nuke programs.So to what degree can Iran and Sryia let hezbollah be weakend.And to what degree will the UN system allow Hezbollah to remain.Becouse without Hezbollah thretning Isreal as Irans deterant,Iran is weakend.This is a very important issue I ask all to keep an eye on this.
This is whats at stake.The current situation is turning agaist Iran.With Hezbollah weakend Isreal has more space to pressure and if that fails to strike Iran.Think about it.To attack Iran with Hezbollah untouched wouldve surely ment Hezbollah attacks.As well as Iranian.To one degree or another.Hezbollah may have made an erro.And Isreal being aware of the ongoing Iran nuke program,and the role Hezbollah plays,seized the enisaetive.This is what i think Putin saw and meant when he said during the G8 Isreal has larger goals in mind.As well as the statements from the Arab leauge states.Hezbollah made an erro and steped into somthing Isreal is pushing to advantage.This i think, is whats going on.
here is an interesting, somewhat provocative, slide show from youtube
http://youtube.com/watch?v=biLLsSRvrGk&search=mid%20east%20tensions
Iran's support of Hezbollah is in our interest. Hezbollah has galvanized US public opinion (humm, don't remember seeing any polling data about this on CNN).
Hezbollah will provide the provocation needed to blow up Iran's nuclear program.
Observe that the level of hate within Hezbollah drives them to take actions counter to Jihad's strategic goals.
Idiots, but useful idiots.
It's good that Americans are beginning to hate Hizbullah, Iran and Syria. I hope the hate lasted till they are out of business.
I fear that the public is lacking resolve. In American, we want everything fast. The Attention spend is too short. Unfortunately, in America, two weeks length of time is considered HISTORY.
Once these horrible places are finally turned into glass parking lots there won't be any Hizbollah left to 'save.'
Hizbollah is the world's largest terrorist organization which belongs principally to Iran-although it may by this time have acquired a certain degree of autonomousness. But whether it has or not, getting rid of it should be a top priority for the west anyway. Has it occurred to anyone that Hizbollah could use nukes WITHOUT the express permission of Iran's mullahs? What if it decides to? The western democracies need plans to deal effectively both with Iran and Hizbollah (particularly if it has begun acting on its own). One problem in this regard may be that the European Union has up til now refused to recognize Hizbollah as a terrorist organization and may even be tacitly providing it with logistical support (as it did with the Palestinian Authority).
Let Israel get rid of Hizbollah. While Israel does that job, America and the western democracies should focus on combating the Iranian mullahs and their global jihadist agenda.
What if it decides to? -pythagoras
CNN will regret that it ever brought up the concept of proportional response.
Islam is more dangerous than Iran, Syria, Hizbullah, and Hama all put together.
Watch out! Make sure your children don't become athiests. Athiestism is an open door to conversion, and the conversion is an open door to forfeiture of freedom.
Hizbollah leader's are numbered. Minutes ago . . . around 4.15 or so central time(us)it was reported the IDF dropped 23 tons of explosive on a specific location--a bunker--in S. Beirut. As a neurologist by training, 23 tons of explosive creates for a nasty migraine. Seriously, this creep and his cronies days are numbered.
It doesn't matter how poor the Israeli's intel could/might be in Lebanon. I've never bought into the myth of the great Mossad. They've had more than there share of goof ups over the years; like the CIA, they often miss the big events. As their native speakers of Arabic--Sephardic Jews--gets further away from their arabic native cultures . . . generation after generation after leaving Arab Lands, the 'super-spy' from Israel is just a myth. Probably not much better than the US. Hizbollah boasts their organization has not been penetrated by the Israelis; I believe them on this score.
What could be happening, is some Lebanese Christian or Muslim is getting sick and tired of the whole show, and may be dropping a dime on Nasrallah. Hell, I would. When, and if, he bites the dust, it will be interesting to see the Shia response(s). To any scholar of Islam, I've read this Nasrallah chap is a descendent of Mohammad?
Any who hunger to be worship would claim to be descendent of Mohammad.
Read riverwar by Winston Churchil and many other books he wrote. It's true in the theatre of war. That's Islam.
Rench-
Intresting comment. Isreal may be dealing first with Hizbullah (portable Iran) as a prelude to taking out the danger that emanates from Iran. If Israel dealt with Iran first-then they would have to deal with Hizbullah rockets in any case. It makes sense to reverse the equation. The current operation against Hizbullah may be a preemptive strike against the Iranian "response" to Israel's termination of Ahmadinejad-Iran's nuclear dreams.
SSA, I have to disagree with you. An atheist doesn't believe in a god. If he doesn't need God, then he for sure doesn't need allah. Only people with a serious brain disfunction would turn to islam. Just because he doesn't have a god doesn't mean he's out looking for one.
I agree Free Woman, and by my talley, the vast majority of converts to Islam come from CAtholics, bothe the infamous ones you hear of in the news (Johnny bin Walker, Adam Gadahn, Todd Ismael Royer, but also virtually every convert that I have met on the internet (and plenty of them Here were Catholics...prolly for good reason as "morally", both creeds are "traditional", "conservative", moral, patriarchial, obsessed with sex and sexuality and patriarchial.
That aside:
Surprise: Robert Fisk blames Syrian and Iran: Read all this Interview
Robert Fisk:
Anyway, it is important to remember that the Hezbollah crossed that border against all international law. No one gave them a referendum or a vote to cross the border and kill Israelis and capture two Israelis and start off this war. But, you see, they relied upon -- they totally relied upon the cruelty of Israel's response. And Israel, as usual, obliged them. So no one will now criticize the Hezbollah in Lebanon.
and again....
As Robert Says Read it all
freewoman wrote: An atheist doesn't believe in a god.
Freewoman, I have to disagree with you. Virtually all people, including "athiests" believe in some sort of "god." That god might be money, or possessions, or self but everybody has some sort of "god."
Nariz, please keep your anti-Catholic bias out of these discussions. I know, we are "patriarchal...and patriarchal." Thanks for the lesson.
Further, anecdotal drivel purporting to demonstrate proclivity to convert to Islam, of all things, is not helpful. You did not allude to any reliable studies regarding convert characteristics, but if you are aware of some, please share. Otherwise, I have to tell you I doubt seriously there are many Catholic converts to Islam, and in fact I'm pretty certain Catholics are minimally represented in the pool of new Muslim converts.
Lastly, I agree that ssa's presumption that atheists are inclined to Islam is silly, but no more so than your insistance that Catholics are more likely so inclined. Perhaps if you folks would kindly refrain from trying to impress us with ill-informed pet theories (I see you know a lot about Catholicism) and just try to stay on topic, the rest of us wouldn't need to tell you to pull your heads out. Think: we're discussing the Syria-Iran-Hezbollah connection, ssa warns us about the horrific danger of atheists converting to Islam, and you decide to take a few jabs at Catholics, continuing the tangential absurdity.
Try to focus. And proofread. You lost me with the first accusation of the patriarchal nature of Catholicism. The rest was just annoying.
That may be true in some instances gallopinggranny, but just because one is an atheist, doesn't mean he's more prone to fall victim to islam. I would think if one doesn't think there is a God, then they FOR SURE wouldn't fall for a ridiculous idea as an allah.
Families of AIDS Infected Libyan Children Threaten Protests
Turkey Moves Forward on Push Into Iraq
US extends waiver that avoids imposing sanctions on Saudi Arabia
Ummah News Links
"The waiver for Saudi Arabia is the only time Washington has avoided punishing a blacklisted country under a 1998 law targeting violators of religious rights. "
The biggest financier of terror remails an ally.
rench made a good point that by eliminating or reducing hizbullah's capacity to hit Israel, Israel has significantly reduced Iran's deterrence. So let's take advantage of that.
What nobody, including our awkward public spokesmen, has said is that Iran and hizbullah have an ideology that is Nazi-like. I remember reading years ago in LeFigaro about the hizbullah's reaction to the results of the French elections [in 1987, I think]. The hizbullah didn't like the results which they blamed on the Jewish vote in France. So one of them said, maybe one of their newspapers or Shaykh Fadlallah: Le microbe juif est partout [the Jewish microbe is everywhere]. Now this is Nazi talk. So I wasn't surprised to hear ahmadinutjob's recent ranting about Jews.
I go with this anti-dhimmi.
"Israel must persevere in Mideast"
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/278108_brumer20.html
Today we are all Israelis.
Most athiests become athiests because of their contempt for Chistianity. Look there's law suit against Chistian teaching in schools, while Islam is being taught without resistance from the athiests. That proofs athiests are more accepting of Islam. Majority of the athiests in the western world were born of Christian families. They are so contemtuous of Christianity that they are more likely to become Mulims at a point in life than going back to their parents faith because Islam have what they want--that is hate. That include the hate for Jews, the root of christianity.
"Most athiests [sic] become athiests [sic] because of their contempt for Chistianity."
-- from a posting above
On what basis is such a remark made?
SSA: Islam IS Syria, Iran, Hizbollah, and Hamas put together. Because Islam IS terrorism and terrorist states put together by dint of Kuran-derived ideology.
And the reason Islamic nations will never be able to democratize is that the Kuran has already usurped every choice in the lives of Muslims that these might otherwise have made for themselves. Islam IS the government of all Muslims. No decisions have been left open for any individual to make. Thus any potential for meaningful democracy is pre-empted in all Islamic societies by the Kuran. Allah has told the Muslims what to do. No government can do anything except fine-tune Islamic commands in the Kuran. Democracy in the islamosphere therefore results only in more Islam--not more freedoms.
pythagoras,
True. Every bit of it. When every man has to emulate mohammad. And mohammad brutally tortured, killed, raped, destroyed, looted, everything infidel. This is their 'model', or 'ideal'. Someone who sawed off heads and made the kids see it so they won't have any human instincts, and won't feel pain when they do it, leave alone see it.
The biggest mistake, by all mankind, was to accept this cult of a madman as a religion.