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Cardinal Pell's backbone remains strong. He remarks: "I am not sure how much Mr Hamza's comments improve the situation, but there are no teachings of Jesus, unlike Mohammed, which advocate violence against followers of other religions."
I will show the truth of the Cardinal's words about Muhammad in immense detail in my forthcoming book The Truth About Muhammad.
Meanwhile, if this debate actually takes place, it will show that Cardinal Pell is anything but ignorant of Islam, as Abu Hamza (not the hook-handed British preacher) predictably charges. And it may put into the public debate some issues that the dhimmi PC media seems bent on hiding. I hope it happens.
One positive aspect of the current Palestinian/Lebanese situation is increased public awareness of Islam.
From Dearborn to Gaza to Beirut, Muslims have displayed their nasty attitudes for all to see.
Public debates between knowledgeable infidels like Cardinal Pell and deceitful Muslims can only increase that awareness.
I hope they address issues like 5:32, Aisha, abrogation, etc.
And wouldn't it be nice if the debate occurs in October.
I approve of what the Cardinal says on these matters, I hope he is protected.
PRCS,
The truth is that the non-Muslim world has started to wake up to the truth of Islam since early this year with the cartoons incident. The true colors of the Muslims have been shown.
Yes, let us hope for an October 7 debate date. Hats off to Cdl. Pell, once again.
Anything that encourages people to read about Islam, to find out about what it is in Qur'an and Hadith, to discover what the Perfect Man Muhammad did and said and when he was silent, is a good thing. If such a debate, or pseudo-debate (the Muslim challenger will not debate in a manner that rational Western man would; there will be shrill outcries, intermittent hysteria, rapid ad hominem attacks intended to undercut whatever Cardinal Pell maintains -- he "doesn't know Arabic" or "who told him that was the correct translation" or "you fail to understand the meaning of the word Jihad" or "what about lynching in the South" -- stuff like that).
Still, it might be quite a display of taqiyya-and-tu-quoque, and many will start to talk about this belief-system, start to question the press's pieties, start to inquire, start to think for themselves, start to study seriously this menace to all Infidels.
I truly hope this will be a real debate and publically broadcast for all to see.
I am so tired of the few debates I have seen been very mild and never asking the hard question about the justification for murder, rape, and thievery that is given by the Quran and the Sura.
Hanover Fisk.
The best part of L Ron Hubbard's forerunner in Medina was the missing verses - the so-called "Satanic Verses" which make it hard to know how the illiterate trader was able to decide when Satan was duping him
I applaud Cardinal Pell and am pleased when-ever the truth gets out. I have givng his comments on Islam to family members to read.
That being said I am not sure a debate is a good idea or that it will be productive. I agree with Hugh that most likely any debate would consist if irrational diatribes and ad-hominum attacks and grinning,knowing,slithering taquiyya. And the Muslims would hid behind the who are you to say what Muslims believe and the you don't know Arabic fluently b.s. Plenty of dhimmi idiots would rush to the Muslim idiot's defense. Besides Cardinal Pell is a well educated cleric,steeped in the best of Western culture and learning and his antagonist is a semi-literate obscurantist? Really, on what level could they truly debate?
Pray for this good man because no matter what the lynch mob will come for him. Not only Muslims, but leftist,dhimmi,multi-culturalist enforcer Media types and Politicians will line up for their bit of blood and hide.Pompous bleething platitudes and pronouncing anathema upon a heretic from the new- multicultural ethos. Those of this type generally hate Christianity and Catholicism in particular and will be licking their lips hungrily in anticipation of the attack and savaging of a Cardinal; one of the highest clerical ranks short of the Papacy.
Cardinal Pell would be debating with one hand tied behind his back?
Could you honestly see him saying a few home truths about mohammed and the koran?
1) Mohammed was a paedophile.
2) His murder of the Jews after the siege of Medina.
3) His countless other murders, endorsement of slavery and rape, intolerance and violence.
4) Why the koran abrogates (with violence replacing tolerance)itself just as mohammed himself gets stronger.
He would get death threats and we know it.
He would be charged with "race hate" crimes.
Good luck to him. He'll need it.
I have no idea how it would pan out.
On one hand I wouldn't want Cardinal Pell to sink to their level, yet on the other I would love to see him win and I am sure he would.
He is a most respected man in Australia; by all races and creeds.(maybe not all?)
Hugh, of course, is right. I've witnessed such debates, and while a debate between Hamza and Pell might be useful in raising public awareness, might be entertaining, even, it wouldn't be a debate in the usual sense. Pell would wind up having to defend the Crusades, comment on the Spanish Inquisition, and extemporize about KKK lynchings. Hamza would vehemently taunt and brain-dead Muslims would cheer him on. In the end the sound and fury of it all would signify very little indeed.
God Bless Cardinal Pell if he decides to debate. He will need God's blessings.
As much as I dislike Catholic Church, I must admit that the Catholic Church is in a much better position to counter islam than the protestant churches of Northern Europe, because the Catholic Church is not dependent on the government like, for example, the Lutheran churches of the Nordic countries, who are more eager to absorb the multiculturalist ideology prevalent in the ruling circles of the state and who are also more likely to engage in the so called inter-faith dialogue with islam. This dialogue, of course, is not a genuine dialogue but a blatant attempt to make islam appear as just a religion without any political goals.
I wish Cardinal Pell all the best in his endeavours.
I suspect that Cardinal Pell is much too sharp to allow the debate, should he accept the challenge, to descend to Hamza's level.
The calm, cool, collected Cardinal versus the mad, mindless Muslim.
Very good for our side, I think.
Challenging a Cardinal in debate is kind of a political suicide attempt with no virgins in heaven left.
As much as I dislike Catholic Church, I must admit that the Catholic Church is in a much better position to counter islam than the protestant churches of Northern Europe, because the Catholic Church is not dependent on the government like, for example, the Lutheran churches of the Nordic countries, who are more eager to absorb the multiculturalist ideology prevalent in the ruling circles of the state and who are also more likely to engage in the so called inter-faith dialogue with islam. This dialogue, of course, is not a genuine dialogue but a blatant attempt to make islam appear as just a religion without any political goals.
I wish Cardinal Pell all the best in his endeavours.
Posted by: Saatanan Islam
The Lutheren church in Denmark is certainly not Dimmi please check out this article. The English translation is after the Danish article. If anyone wants to post the article anywhere else please feel free.
fredag, maj 26, 2006
Islamkritik i danska kyrkan
Danska Ritzaus nyhetsbyrå rapporterar idag:
60 præster og teologer er gået sammen i et
islamkritisk netværk i folkekirken.
»Hensigten er at slå fast, at kristne og muslimer
ikke tror på den samme gud, og at kirken og moskeen
derfor ikke er religiøse medspillere«, hedder det i en
pressemeddelelse fra det nye netværk.
Med i netværket er bl.a. fremtrædende præster og
debattører som Niels Højlund, Sørine Godtfredsen,
Edith Thingstrup, Morten Kvist og Katrine Winkel Holm.
»Ingen enighed uden forræderi«
Ifølge det nye netværk er det problematisk,
når danske folkekirkepræster inviterer imamer indenfor.
»Kirken kan ikke snakke sig til enighed med
mamerne uden at forråde kirkens herre«,
fastslås det.
Initiativtagerne til netværket understreger, at hensigten er
at kritisere islam, ikke den enkelte muslim.
/ritzau/
(Tack till Polemiken.net för tipset !
Translation
Islam criticism in the Danish Church
Danish Reuater newsbeauro reports today
60 priests and theologian have joined together in an islam critical network in the Danish Folkekirken
( the aim is to prove, that Christian and Muslims do not believe in the same God, and that the Church and Mosque are incompatible) was reported in a press release from the new network. Together in the network are prominent priest and debaters such as Niels Højlund, Sørine Godtfredsen,
Edith Thingstrup, Morten Kvist og Katrine Winkel Holm (no unity without treason) The new network says it is problematical when Danish priests invite Imams into the Church ( The Church cannot speak for ever with Imans without betraying the Church's Lord) they emphasise that the criticism is against Islam and not individual muslims.
Everyone should read this article about the United Nations which clearly explicates not only the total worthlessness of this behemoth antiquity, but how it has been commandeered by the 56 member Islamic bloc.
Our very own Hugh Fitzgerald is quoted at length in this long, informative, and very disturbing article. I think most people would be shocked and horrified at the legislative power that this dangerous organization has, not to mention the voting power of the 56 Islamic nations, and how they are using it. Read it.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1224
Cardinal Pell is actually well positioned to make such a debate: being in the church, rather than of the laity, he is actually well-defended and insured against either jail or personal liability.
Frankly though, any suit should immediately be met with counter-suit against the MCB.
Cardinal Pell, a man of calibre, should not dignify anything a half wit like Hamza is attempting to do. Hamza is trying to gain publicity by attempting to engage Pell and put himself on the same level, and the MSM would be happy to oblige.
Although an Agnostic I hope the debate with Cardinal Pell will go ahead.[Whether Russian Orthodox,Catholics,Protestants, Jews,Hindus,Buddhists,Animists,Atheists & others,
we're ALL in this fight together].Islam must be exposed for what it is-A DEATH CULT WHICH TOLERATES NO DISSENT. Was amazed to see BBC reporting the hanging of a girl in Iran!! Even if this is two years AFTER the murder, it is a start.Go, Cardinal Pell...
God be with the Cardinal.