From YNetNews:
Islamic fundamentalist cleric Omar Bakri has warned that "the day will come that the flag of Islam will fly over the Big Ben and the British Parliament."
That assumes it wouldn't be demolished as a symbol of jahiliyya-- i.e., the supposed ignorance or barbarism of a non-Muslim culture.
Bakri made the comments during an interview with the London-based Arabic-language daily al-Sharq al-Awsat.
The interview was published over the weekend when Britain marked a year since the terror attacks on the London Underground.
Bakri, who is originally Syrian, was the leader of al-Muhajiroun. He escaped London after the 7/7 attacks, and was banned from returning to Britain.
Bakri presented himself as a spokesman for the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, headed by Osama Bin Laden.
Bakri's organization supported Hamas and Islamic Jihad in the territories, and also held contacts with Hizbullah.
In a document released by the media analysis organization MEMRI, Bakri's ideology is presented, according to which believing Muslims living in Britain will turn the country into Islamastan.
Bakri elaborated that "what is called today Londonistan is actually Kufferstan, in other words the land of infidelity. I think that loyal Muslims in Britain will turn it on the day of days, with the help of Allah, into Islamastan, in other words into Dar al-Islam (Land of Islam), as the first Muslims did in Ethiopia and Indonesia. Then the big Islamic dream will be realized, and we will see the flag 'there's no god other than Allah' flying from the Big Ben and the British parliament, with the help of Allah."
'Don't assimilate into infidel society'
When asked what his advice was for Muslim youths in Britain and his students who life far away, he answered: "I advise Muslim youth in general, and to my beloved students especially, not to assimilate into the ignorant British society, but at the same time not to become distant from the people. They must work to make the hearts turn to Allah, to instruct on doing good and forbidding the evil, to obey Allah and to keep away from the infidels."
Asked whether he thought London was safe today, after the disappearance of most of the movement's fundamentalist sheikhs, Barki answered: "The finding of the wise of Islam and the advertisers of the Islamic movement is the valve of security of Britain and not the opposite, as the naive people think."
"Britain is not thought of as safe since it advertised the anti-terror laws in 2002. There's no doubt that the disappearance, arrest, or expulsion of most of the scholars of Islam and its advertisers will turn Britain into an unsafe country, in danger of attacks by those who think it must be fought, due to its participation alongside the Untied States in the war of the global crusaders against Islam and Muslims."
When asked whether he planned to return to Britain any time soon, Bakri answered: "I don't think of returning to Britain as long as it does not retract its terror laws, through which it is applying terror on peaceful Muslims in Britain, with the excuse of fighting terror. The return of people like myself is forbidden according to Islamic law, since it calms under the act of 'surrendering as a hostage.' Islam has forbidden Muslims from surrendering as a hostage... to the infidels."
Blah blah blah. Same crazy non-sequitur shit, different day. Someoen could write a program to spout random Islamic propaganda and nobody would be able to tell the difference.
Will the Brits wake up and start fighting this war for the very survival of Britian and the world before islam can defeat the world.
texican
we know about these simple people.
please do not insult our intelligence!
Texican:
"Will the Brits wake up and start fighting this war for the very survival of Britian and the world before islam can defeat the world."
More and more people in Britain are beginning to see "The Religion of Peace" for what it really is. Even Tony Blair - the Dhimmi-in-Chief - has hardened his attitude.
There is still a hard core of appeasers - the BBC, the left-leaning media, the Church of England (unbelievable, huh?) - but the ordinary man in the street is becoming increasingly angered by the liberal Establishment's tolerance of these hatemongers.
The UK has experienced one Islamic terrorist atrocity. God forbid, but I think that if another were to occur, then it would push a lot of Brits over the edge. And don't forget, as well as the native Brits, the UK is also home to a couple of million Hindus, Sikhs, and African Christians, none of whom have any particular love for their Muslim neighbours.
Well, unlike us savage Americans. The Brits seem to have everything under control, Texican. No need for further discussion on that matter. The Brits have defeated old mo, with their smarts.
Wednesday Parliamentary Q&A is being broadcast on C-Span as I write this. Top of the agenda for the last 10 minutes or so is the discussion of Blair's recent comments about the Muslim community taking responsibility for the so-called "distortions" in Islam which are starting to be such an acute problem. Without fail, every MP is standing up and exhibiting a writhing desire to suggest that the problem of Islamic Terror has nothing to do with Islam! and "surely the PM would agree that Britain has to do far more to encourgage a sense of inclusion among all her racial and religious constituencies" or similar blather. This is followed by calls for more expenditures for "community outreach", "social programs", and other euphemisms for handouts to "minorities".
Sounds like a homeopathic approach to governance. A little more of the thing that made you sick in the first place is just what the doctor ordered, apparently.
Problem is: We've seen where this crap has gotten Britain so far, Mr. Blair's recent comments critical of the British Muslim community notwithstanding. By the way -- Mr. Blair concurred with EVERY MP who stood up demanding:
"It isn't the Muslims!"
"It isn't Islam!" and "If we only spend more money on them, everything will be OK!"
I think the most troubling reaction to the statements about England eventually being a nation under an Islamic flag is the failure to realize this is not a random statement from a rogue cleric but a simple affirmation of a roadmap that has been in play for centuries. Muslim conquest has simply changed from "by the sword" to a simple yet genius idea of population and immigration conquests where muslims immigrate and populate to the degree that they become a major influence on political and social factors of a nations culture as their refusal to assimilate forces other cultures to either change to their ways or cede control over the areas populated by muslims in these numbers. The European Nanny state has facilitated this immigration and population boom by financing their own conquerers.
The muslim population and the cleric referenced in this article are simply giving us an insight on a plan that is well underway and unless the Europeans realize that their welfare states and immigration superhighways from muslim countries begin to deal with these problems, the probability of just such a flag flying over London gets higher.
And while I'm at it I'll say the Brits didn't even fire a shot! lol I guess the french have their backs.
These people tell us over and over again, time and time again, EXACTLY what they are planning for....
Yet over and over again, time and time again, the ignorant and blind populace chooses to ignore the message.
How frightening the thought that it will take more 9/11's and 7/7's to FINALLY make the civilized world recognize what this war is truly about.
Sad.
Britain's "...terror laws, through which it is applying terror on peaceful Muslims in Britain..." No doubt he's referring to the Brits who blew themselves and others up on 7/7.
Let a few termites live peacefully in your house and see what happens...........
When you have fire spreading in a room,house,etc, one way to stop it from spreading is to cut off the oxygen. well a similiar approach to the spreading of muslims, they live off of welfare, just cut off the welfare, no mo money, make them work and have their women go out in the work force instead of being incubators for futur suicide bomb killers. The money saved, you put into hiring top security border police, and throw out the bums when they break laws
and are in the country illegally.
What Blair needs to do, is to put that islam flag on Big Ben, and say "Happy now?"
Of course, not. That is not what they want. What they want is to come into your home, put sheets on your wife and daughter, after raping them, and then take them as slaves. And your dog? That they will stomp to death. Then they will burn your books, CDs, and all the rest of your belongings.
That is what they want. The question is, how far will Britain go down that road? The answer is determined by gradient. Given enough time, the west will allow that if it takes so long that we get used to it. If it happens overnight, then of course, people will resist.
What we have to hope, is that the gradient is sharp enough to make people resist. That means the gradient must take place over the same generation. People who know freedom, as Britain has always known it, must still be in the majority when they come through the door. Then you will get resistence. If they come through the door once a generation not used to such freedoms is in the majority, then the resistance will be less.
We must hope that the jihad picks up speed. For Britain's sake.
I don't think there was ever a more pathetic character in British history since Neville Chamberlain than Tony Blair. He has so much muslim brown on his nose and mouth that he wreaks just like his dhimmi brother Chirac in France. These spineless characters have betrayed their country and sold off its culture to the enemy and are too stupid to see it. Isn't there any movement in England and France to overthrow these cowards quickly before it's too late?
I'm sorry, when I listen to these creatures talk I become so depressed I have to visit the BNP site who seem to know exaclty what the muslims are up to.
Know what's interesting, folks?
In my bored perusal of all sorts of different types of websites and forums, I have discovered that even most white supremist groups (StormFront for example) have reached the conclusion that Islam is the enemy ... and even though Muslims hate Jews, and so do white supremists, it's serving to coalesce everybody who enjoys Western Civilization against the Muslims.
The tide is oh-so-slowly turning against Islam worldwide... Let's just hope we can get our act together before it's too late.
If that Islamic A-Hole does not want to go back to Britian good ridiance!
And he can fly that holy flag up his you-know-what all he wants too.
-----Nossy
What the British need to do is import more moderate Muslims into the country in order to counterbalance the Muslim extremists.
At some point there will be more good Muslims that bad Muslims.
About 40 million more should do it.
Then the Muslims could all vote the surviving English minority out of England and everybody would be happy.
(I'm sure the Irish would gladly welcome their evicted British brethen.)
Magnus RW writes:
...or else the immigrant Muslims will revert to the sword.
You forgot to mention that little part. They are behaving exactly like the radical Leftists (Communists, black militants, etc.) did during the Cold War: Meet our demands for favors or we'll resort to rioting and violence. And in a few days, we'll have a new set of demands for you.
It's the implicit threat of a British intifada, with British Muslims rioting, bombing and murdering en masse, that has got the British government making all these concessions.
Steven L. makes a good point in the discussion in bringing to light the will in Islam to use the sword. They are able to do so without abandoning any of their religious foundation whereas Christians are guided by the "turn the other cheek" when possible foundation.
The comment "Muslim conquest has simply changed from "by the sword" to a simple yet genius idea of population and immigration conquests where muslims immigrate and populate to the degree that they become a major influence on political and social factors of a nations culture as their refusal to assimilate forces other cultures to either change to their ways or cede control over the areas populated by muslims in these numbers."
was directed to the current situation in London and the evidence in the 07/07 bombing coverage that London police had areas in London that they didn't patrol that were maintained by the "local customs" basically a LONDONISTAN. I know there is a book by this title that documents these events but I havent had a chance to read it yet.... though I want to very much.
The events in Europe, most notably the bombings in London and riots in France are a foreshadowing of the events that will occur here in the U.S. if we choose to ignore the mistakes of Europeans and appease instead of confronting fundamentalist Islamic teachings and managing our immigration and educational systems to avoid advancing our enemy's cause.
Will you Brits and Yanks both grow up and realise that you are both on the same side.
Despite the "war on terror" I have seen nothing from either camp that says that either country even knows what the problem is, ie, islam.
While the saudis are still allowed to splash their oilcash in madrassas and lucrative jobs for expoliticians there will be no hope.
"It isn't the Muslims!"
"It isn't Islam!" and "If we only spend more money on them, everything will be OK!"
from a poster above.
Unfortunately this seems to be the attitude in France and Germany as well.
The best thing we ALL could do is to pull all financial aid and welfare benefits to these vermin. Let the chips fall where they may. Will it be pleasant? No. Would it be necessary though? Yes.
France (just my opinion) has surrendered to a bunch of muslim brats. They couldn't control the little "youths". What would they do, heaven forbid, if the daddies (the big time terrorists) got involved in the rioting and torching of French cities?
Germany is just as bad.
You know, it occurred to me yesterday evening while watching the final World Cup match between France (by the way Sebastian was right, hardly a true Frenchman on that team!) and Italy.
If Europeans would get as angry and riled up about the islamization of Europe, as they do in a positive way about soccer, our governments would HAVE to change their policies and crack down hard on the muslim invasion.
The sheeple have made soccer their God and choose to ignore the really vital issues at hand.
Not to assume anyone's advocating the BNP (though I'm sure we've all considered it)...
The BNP are anti-Jihad.
I'm anti-Jihad
Therefore I'm a BNP supporter
Likewise:
Wombats like carrots
I like carrots
Therefore...
Time to loosen up the ultra-wussy English gun laws.
Lulu, I think the oxygen will be sucked out of the system, not by politicians who have awoken to the Islamic threat, but by the eventual collapse of the existing global economic system.
I believe that economic events underway, combined by future Jihad attacks on Europe's and America's economy, will bring about a global depression.
Infidel states will not have the funds to provide welfare to the Islamic invaders and all hell will brake loose.
At that point the silent majority who have been woken up by the Muslim's own acts will demand that their governments act to assure their survival.
Those states that act will survive.... those that hesitate will be consumed by homegrown Islamist insurgencies.
The clock ticks everyday and we grow closer to a series of events that will lead to a day of reckoning. A plot was foiled in New York recently thank god and kudos to the people in America who are keeping us safe, but it is only a matter time before they succeed, on that day Americans will wake up and take complete action.
We can spend time and money watching a fifth column that grows on our soil or we can round them up and focus our energy on the coming global economic meltdown.
El Cid was born on 911, as he saw the bodies fall from the Towers and ran to assure the safety of his grandchildren, the next one will wake up a nation of El Cids all over the world!
I had promised not to discuss the BMP, on this site for the sake of ant-Islamic unity, which is extremely important, but I have been observing and inquiring about the BMP since my last discussion and sadly have to report that at the moment they seem to be the only force in Britain who have the will to resist the Islamic threat. I have also talked to lots of Brits who tell me that yes they have voted for the BMP mostly as a protest vote and that a lot of the recent surge in the BMP's fortune is soft and limited to a reaction to the loss of Britishness to Islam, and does not validate all of the BMP's agenda.
I was struck by their use of Brits of Hindu origin in their Web telecasts, one of them was by an older Hindu man who explained India;s experience by the Muslim conquest and warn the British that they will have the same problems.
Does the BNP's advancement of the anti-Jihadi cause hurt it to the general public?
Is there any more mainstream party that can pick up that banner?
Is the BMP really gaining ground?
My questions are not an endorsement of the BMP, I know that this site does not endorse them either, it's just my observation from this side of the pond.
THE BANISHMENT OF THE CID
He turned and looked upon them, and he wept very sore
As he saw the yawning gateway and the hasps wrenched off the door,
And the pegs whereon no mantle nor coat of vair there hung.
There perched no moulting goshawk, and there no falc on swung.
My lord the Cid sighed deeply such grief was in his heart
And he spake well and wisely: "Oh Thou, in Heaven that art
Our Father and our Master, now I give thanks to Thee.
Of their wickedness my foemen have done this thing to me."
II Then they shook out the bridle rein further to ride afar.
They had the crow on their right hand as they issued from Bivar;
And as they entered Burgos upon their left it sped.
And the Cid shrugged his shoulders, and the Cid shook his head:
"Good tidings Alvar Fanez We are banished from our weal,
But on a day with honor shall we come unto Castile."
http://omacl.org/Cid/
No, I see no reason to conclude that it does.
No. None is willing to.
A little, slowly. It has a few councillors in local government in areas which are, so to speak, near enough geographically to certain other areas as to feel the heat.
Sure, you just want to gain more information on the currents in British politics. There are troubling aspects to the BNP, but that's been covered already here, as you know.
Shows how thick Bakri is, Big Ben is the hour bell housed in the clock tower! They can fly their flag from it if they want but no bugger will see it!
Ice Dragon
Indeed.
The East London borough where I used to live now has enough BNP councillors that they form the opposition party to Labour on the borough council. I am trying to find out how they are faring with constructive solutions to some of the problems facing the borough. For example another convienience store in the shopping parade nearest to my old home has just been granted an off licence to sell alcohol, despite local protests as this will be the 9th establishment able to sell drink.
It's not a very long road. The bakers is gone since I left, and the butchers, the florists, the haberdashery kiosk, my dentist looks like Fort Apache the Bronx, only the undertaker seems unscathed. The on-line report of the Barking and Dagenham Post says nothing about which councillors took what attitude. I am going to have to arrange to get the paper version passed on to me.
You have asked a good question and one which I am also interested in.
Big Ben is the hour bell housed in the clock tower! They can fly their flag from it if they want but no bugger will see it!
Very good point. Have any other Londoners noticed that when Big Ben is lit up at night it has a slightly greenish tinge?
friends: both Omar Bakri and Adam Choudry were numbers 1 and 2 in the same sect. they have both been ridiculed and marginalized by the British media and public.
And as to our redneck friends:
Mr. AMartinez: In this global war, it's the Brits who have the American's back's. And BTW, in history, as much as you ridicule the French, they have had our backs more than the Americans (WW I anyone). But don't go saying that the US has Britain’s back, because your current president sold our friendship (i.e. our PM's public standing) to a half-baked Texan foreign policy.
What pisses me off about the US redneck posters here is that they do not have a strategy. Comments include:
Another terror event will radicalize the Christian community: that's exactly what the Jihadists want (and it's also v. close to an Anarchist / Communist point of view [see Lenin's use of Terror)
No US poster has provided answers for:
The millions of Muslims already in Europe
Europe’s need for immigration to sustain economy (just like the US)
How to marginalize the impact or radical Islam
How to win the battle at the battlefield (the Americans set the strategy for Afghanistan, but it's the brits who are engaging, and the poppy fields have just been cultivated).
Show me a strategy for the real world, that keeps American hegemony, stops China and Russia playing devils advocate for geopolitical gain, and stops radical Islam, by any means necessary.
But all we get is a poster called Dumbo calling the UK gun laws wussy. Nice. Time to find momma Dumbo, because you're fighting with the wrong instruments (exactly how do liberal gun laws stop a terrorist using suicide, grooming and foreign training?)
"Europe’s need for immigration to sustain economy..."
There is absolutely no need for immigration in economic terms whatsoever. Many distinguished academics and businessmen as well as many prominent and popular politicians have pointed this out time and time again. However, the UK Government continues to lie to the people at large in an attempt to scare us into accepting the unacceptable.
If you think that I am not telling the truth then please check out http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/ . It's heavy going because the published papers are long and somewhat academic in tone, but the the information is indisputable and, to my mind, proves that the UK Government is lying to us about the necessity for immigration and also, you will note if you read through that site, about the numbers, both legal and illegal, of immigrants. Check out, also, the calibre of the Advisory Council at Migrationwatchuk. There are some very impressive people there.
Dominic.
One of the factors in the wave of support for the Nazi party in the period 1929 to 1933 was the apparent lawlessness of the communists and the dregs of the radical left. This was seen as even more important than any promise of employment or a better economy. But then germans have alwsy been in favour of an ordered society.
My point is that whatever the true motives of the BNP, if they retract their former anti-nonwhite policies and continue to press for an antiMuslim hardline they WILL get an increase in support and more espcially if the government and that idiot lord mayor continue to "pussyfoot" around the problem.
Since the Cronulla riots here there has been a marked increase in the disgust level for islam and Muslims in general. No one has done anything yet as the Muslims copped a real shock at the general public response(although so far only whites have been gaoled to my knowledge). As they are still quite a minority(500K) here their imams have pulled their heads in until they have the numbers to move to jihad phase 2( ~10 yrs at current birthrates)
But the damage is done and now people talk openly of their distrust of and their hostility towards Islam. This is shown by the refusal of australians to visit tourist spots such as malaysia and indonesia(business excepted) in the previous numbers because of the overt hostility and he insecurity that they experience there.
In times of crisis people will either vote for a party that will DO something, or they will DO it themselves. Hobson's choice IMO unless government finds some testosterone.
Well Abion,
You are more than welcome to your anti-American views, but before you go bashing all U.S. posters and all "Yanks" just tell us a couple of things:
What are your strategies and answers???
Has anyone here provided you with yet with what you consider to be appropriate suggestions and answers to your questions?
(Redneck Americans excluded of course, we already know that none of us has a clue, right Albion?)
By the way, those two jokers should be ridiculed by the British media and public.
That's not enough though.
Whoops! There I go again, putting in my useless, redneck two-cents worth in. Sorry Albion!!!
Dominic...I do not disagree with what you say.
But if they are lying then WHY are they lying?
Surely Blair cannot have his sights on the same job as G Bush Jnr(saudi oil co rep).
Why would a western leader seem determined to commit national or religious seppuko?
Zathras/
I don't know why they are lying. I don't have any understanding of what they are doing. Perhaps someone with more brains than I could think this through and come up with something.
Dominic.
Well Albion?
We're all waiting with suspense to see what kind of solutions you have come up with.
You should have all the answers, considering all your expertise and the knowledge that only British brilliance can possibly supply!
I have always been behind the British people, but thank you Albion, for reminding me just how much the British hate Americans.
Zathras/
Point of informatiom. Ken Livingstone is not the Lord Mayor, he is the Mayor. The Lord Mayor is elected by the Aldermen of the City of London and is currently Mr. David Brewer CMG.
"As head of the City of London, the Lord Mayor presides over its governing bodies - the Court of Aldermen and the Court of Common Council. He is Chief Magistrate of the City of London, Admiral of the Port of London, Chancellor of City University and President or Patron of many other civic and charitable organisations.
He also has a much wider business role - working for Britain as a whole, supporting and promoting the world's leading international financial centre, the City of London, both at home and abroad. His position as a trusted spokesman for the business community is enhanced by the entirely apolitical nature of his office.
This quote is from http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/business_city/lordmayor/ and there is much more information there about the City and its governance. The City of London is a separate entity from London. The name 'City of London' (often abreviated in conversation to 'the City') refers to one small part of modern day London - the old original heart of the modern city. The Right Honourable the Lord Mayor of London is the head of the Corporation of London - the original governing body of the original city.
Dominic.
El Cid does deserve to be banished, I fear it was a mistake to mention the BNP. I apologize to all.
Jojimbo and Granny thanks for the info, it will help me understand the situation in the UK. After reading reviewing their website I have found many things that trouble me, such as their prejudice towards Polish workers. ( my wife is Polish).
I'm curious if they will us their newfound positions in a thuggish way. Please keep me informed, I do visit the Stop BNP website on occasion but find them extremely PC and left leaning and pro-Islam.
I also had a chance to review the BBC tape of the BNP chairman, and listen to the comments that got him arrested and I just shake my head in amazement, does the PC establishment have so much power and is their so little freedom of expression in England.
I have said many of the same things myself about the drug culture and forced prostitution of mostly white runaways in Manhattan, in the beginning of the Gulianni years. I wasn't arrested, instead I was asked to worked with the police to close down the crack houses, which we did and New York now has the lowest crime rates for years and it's police is unafraid to investigate mosques or chat rooms and stop Jihadi attacks.
Albion, before you try to fix the greater global problems, such as Iraq, try finding answers to what's going on, in the streets of England.
The first place you can start is to stop immigration and really deport radical Muslim clerics. Then change the PC culture that dominates the political classes and media. Then think about increasing your demographics.
We are all in the same boat, America has the same problems except that thanks to so-called redneck Red states our demographic problems are not so bad and our religious faith has not been watered down.
We have the will to fight, do you?
We are all in this together and must watch each others back.
well hello El Cid and AIG.
AIG: chill dude, I was just taking the piss. I personally love the US so much I have dual citizenship! (no, really). As for ideas, I've tried to post some on another thread, but interestingly, before I read El Cid's call to arms, I was doing just what he suggested (clearing up my own back-yard). We are on the same page, but if you guys start coming out with NRA stuff, I'm going to describe it as a red-neck agenda. But chill and be more James Foxworthy than Mr. T
Albion that's okay.
I got a little bent out of shape.
A lot of us know what needs to happen, but we don't have any solutions as to HOW to get it to happen.
I sure would welcome any suggestions right now.
In my opinion, we need several little "Hitler-type" politicians, who are not Nazis, but rather radical ANTI-ISLAM!
And other than lighting fires under people's behinds I don't know how to get millions of them to take to the streets and SHOW and DEMAND that we put a stop to this muslim invasion and stop the islamization of Europe!
El Cid
El Cid doesn't deserve to be banished - worse crimes have been committed. El Cid does need to go easy on the Bob Dole imitation, since it could attract speculation about other similarities that may exist between El Cid and Bob Dole.
I perused the BNP website on a few occasions, but there's enough contradiction there to convince one that it's legitimate to question the seriousness of their operation. For instance, in their manifesto section, under clash of civilizations, they explicitly state that they don't want to take sides in the war between the West and Islam, on behalf of the neo-Cons and Zionists. In that aspect, they aren't any different from Left wing wackos on both ends of the pond.
But I agree with you about stopthebnp.org. If, as British posters here state, the BNP opposition to Islam isn't genuine, it shouldn't be difficult to come up with comprehensive opposition statements to them, as the British posters, to their credit, have done. Given that, if stopthebnp.org website needs to be an apologist for Islam while batting against their target, they don't deserve any support whatsoever.
I do hope the Tories clean up their act - it's depressing to see even them in the PC column.
El Cid, you are alright by me. I have read many of your comments and have a lot of respect for the things you do around New York.
I tend not to produce the opinions of stopthebnp.org in evidence of my concern about the BNP as they are indeed too PC for my taste.
I have found a place where I can get a copy of the Barking and Dagenham Post regularly, if I read anything of interest or relevance to this on-going debate I will mention it.
Albion, my sincerest apologies. It is not my place to criticize how you are fighting the Anti-Jihad battles. I sometimes express hope and frustration at what I read and I should just restate that we owe each other support first, not criticism.
I trust that decent knowledgeable people like Granny and other British posters on this site will know what will work for their countries, and all of us should offer unwavering solidarity and support.
Still, I look forward to good news.
I do support the NRA, but have respected the norms of this forum and the views of other posters across the global and good work of the hosts of this site, and try to restrict my comments to the norms of our global Jihadwatch community.
For this reason, other then the occasional comment about my legal ownership of a fire arm, I try not to impose my personal views on this subject because I respect the opinions of those in Europe who object to gun ownership.
God bless and god's speed.
AIG: this is what I posted elsewhere today. sorry to repeat everyone
AIG: thanks for a response. I agree, the voting public does need to be politicised in order to implement policy that stops our current multicultural slow death. As for any 'brilliant' suggestions, probably not. (truth is, would you post a radical idea here?)
I've been thinking:
1. Join / form a group that thinks from a Templar perspective. i.e. The general western public have become the pilgrims in need of protection from the Muslim hoards, and the goal should be to fight back against violent Islam.
2. Use Banksy style graffiti to promote ideas
3. Vet all colleges in UK to make sure they're not offering degrees in Islamic studies using radical interpretations
4. Join with / form a group that intellectually confronts Jihadists at colleges and Mosques
5. Join with a group that can offer flash counter-demos to the abhorrent islamo-fascists demonstrations.
6. Join with group applying multimedia more in fight of ideas
7. Repeal the Human Rights act in UK and apply mass deportation of all convicted sympathisers of radical Islam (3 judge court as used against IRA)
8. Politically vet all Imams registered in EU
9. CCTV all Mosques in EU
10. Ban all forms of Wahibbism in UK
that's just some of them.
"El Cid does deserve to be banished, I fear it was a mistake to mention the BNP. I apologize to all."
-posted by El Cid
My apologies El Cid, I was not meaning to suggest you should be banished.
I should hve edited the title to the poem excerpt.
My intention was simply to point out some inspiring poetry.
El Cid has been one of my heroes ever since I saw the movie 'El Cid'.
Bob dole LOL, if I ever did need viagra, I would turn it down. I'm of a very old school that life should be lived in it's stages and that old age does have physical burden, but also freedom from the demands of youth, in this way it can have it's own rewards, contenplation and peacefulness and giving back for the blessing recieved.
This has been a blessing as, in my youth I was a bit of firebrand, for good and bad.
Thanks Granny, I'm just about finishing Londonistan and am a great admirer of Melanie Philips, please keep me posted.
Mike thanks for the poem. El Cid is a bit of tragic and heroic figure.
He learned the ways of the Moors in order to fight them, and spoke Arabic, I too have started to learn it read and write it and hope to be fluent some day.
New York has lots of Arab run bodegas (24 food store), as I try not to give them business I don't frequent them, but the other day I walked in and notice that the New York Post was missing ( it had a giant picture of the dead Al-Zarqawi on the cover). Over heard the discuss the fact that as a Shaheed he was a great man.
"Al -Kabir al-shaheed" Koranic versus are plastered behind the cash register indicating the local mosque they donate money to.
I'm glad the police are watching all of them! Such has been made public in the papers.
"El Cid, you are alright by me. I have read many of your comments and have a lot of respect for the things you do around New York."
I second Granny's semtiments.
Learning Arabic as well now.
Why am I not surprised :)
Thank you Albion.
I agree with what you said. I do know what you mean about posting any "brilliant" ideas anywhere.
They will be deleted! Too radical, too brutal.
I have spoken with many people here and although a lot of them will agree that something needs to be done, they would never put their neck out and actually do something like writing a letter to the editor, or speaking out publicly against muslims. Everyone is afraid of being called a racist.
How do we get people to realize that islam is not a race, but rather a cult, or political doctrine? Asking most of them to do all the things you suggested would be just too much at this point for the majority of people in Europe to even fathom. By rights they should all already be on our wavelength, but they're just not.
Your suggestions are wonderful, but how many people are actually willing to do that?
I wrote several letters to the local editor here, warning about the dangers of islam in our societies. I received letters in response to mine, scolding me and some even calling me a racist. Some at work came to me and said: "You are right!" When I asked them to write in and back up my views, they declined. It's too "risky", or "I don't want my name to be known".
I guess it will take more attacks and a lot more bloodshed before anyone would be willing to take serious action.
You know, if we could ever find and destroy the source of this political correctness sickness (whoever or whatever that really is) we may at least be able to plan how to get that stopped.
But which flag would that cannibal catamite "cleric" want to fly over the Houses of Parliament?
Which "islamic flag" would be appropriate?
It could be that of Saudi Arabia - their kings and princes own most of London anyway.
It could be that of the inbred crossed-eyed rulers of Kuwait - but they own most of south east England and parts of Scotland already.
Might I suggest the a flag?
On a scarlet field,a white circle enclosing a reversed tetragammadion in black.
Older mohammdans will remember it as the flag flown by their close friends from the Third Reich on their frequent friendly encounters to discuss "problems of mutual interest".aka the Holocaust.
For some amusement,log on to www.iwitness.co.uk,the e-paper for "Scottish
Muslims",and look at a what these cannibals demand from a small country of only 5m people.Census estimates 59,000 mohammedans(2001)
59,000 too many.
Paul/
Actually seven extremely wealthy British aristocrats own most of London. Further, over seventy-six percent of the UK is still owned by aristocrats, the church, the government and the crown (as differentiated from Her Majesty). Moslems do not own much land and are generally laughed at if they try to join the landowning set.
Dominic.