Americans, and other Infidels, should stop worrying, stop giving the slightest thought, to what Arab Muslims "think of them." Whatever they "think of them" is determined very largely by the Qur'an and Sunnah, and by what they are taught to think of all Infidels. To believe that Americans, or French, or Italians, can win real friendship from those well-versed in obtaining -- by outward affability and displays of hollow warmth -- whatever it is they want at that moment from the Infidels, is to pretend that Islam does not teach its adherents to distrust, shun, and hate Infidels, and to not "take them as friends, for they are friends only with each other," and not to be impressed by any seeming kindnesses of those Infidels, for these displays of kindness are merely a means to win over, and corrupt, and ultimately to conquer, those poor, trusting Muslims.
Recognize that those who are adherents of Islam have grown up with a belief-system that is not merely a religion but an entire way of life. This belief-system affects the atmospherics of a whole society; it affects the attitudes even of those who do not attend mosques, and who may in fact be unorthodox or lax in their faith. Only to the degree that a Believer ignores the central division of Islam -- that between Believer and Infidel -- can that Believer conceivably offer real, as opposed to feigned, and permanent, as opposed to temporary, friendship for Infidels.
There is no need to keep doing endless favors for Muslims, in a vain campaign to win them over. We need not betray our real, Infidel interests or allies. We need not surrender a jot of our own, Western, laws and understandings in order to "win" favor from Muslims. We need not mute, and would obtain far better results if we were to increase, our criticism of Muslim behavior -- and what's more, to relate the failures and morally unacceptable behavior of Muslim societies and peoples to Islam itself. The connection, though seldom made, is not hard to make.
If Muslims living in the West, and Muslims in Dar al-Islam, realize that the jig is up, and that their efforts to prevent a growing awareness of the tenets of Islam, of the passages in Qur'an and stories in Hadith that show the centrality of the duty to Jihad have failed, it is they who will have to move heaven and earth either to somehow constrain Islam, or we Infidels will have to do it for them. Anyway, what do the nice ones, what does Fouad Ajami (who carefully, and so wrongly, titled his new book about Iraq "The Foreigner's Gift" instead of, more truthfully, "The Infidel's Gift") what does Vali Nasr, what the hell do such people make of Islam? Surely they know perfectly well what is in Qur'an and Hadith, they know what Muhammad is all about. Well, do they think they can permanently avoid that subject, out of embarrassment or filial piety, without ultimately rendering themselves useless to Infidels, as we get closer and closer to the unpleasant truths about Islam, its tenets and its history? How long do they think that Infidels will remain unaware of these things?
They, those lax or mild Muslims, who do not really observe or believe much of it but also refuse to declare themselves apostates, should expect that we will have to view them with distrust, that their freedom to visit or live in the West, the ability of their children to thrive in the Infidel lands, will be curtailed. We Infidels cannot be expected to distinguish the "real moderate" from the person who is feigning, or who is capable of changing from being a "moderate" to a most "immoderate" Muslim.
Vali Nasr, Fouad Ajami, tutti quanti -- put yourself in our place. Pretend you are an Infidel. And pretend that you, as that Infidel, have learned a good deal about Islam, including the history of Jihad-conquest and about the real status of non-Muslims under Islam. And we are not going to engage in comparative brutalities, in the manner of Bernard Lewis, who has been in this particular and some others acted as a higher apologist, in his own way, for Islam -- possibly because of his own horror at the treatment of European Jewry.
What do you expect us to do? How do you expect us to act to save our own, non-Muslim civilizations, here and everywhere else? Can you blame us?
If a whole stampede of "moderate Muslims" were to come rushing to the forefront, I wouldn't trust a single one of them. Too late! And it might amount to hudna anyway.
I no longer trust "moderate" Muslims. I've learned too much about Islam and it's long bloody history. I've learned how "moderate" Muslim organizations like CAIR operate as a smoke screen to keep the real nature of Islam hidden from Infidels. I see the worldwide Jihad operating in places like the Philipines, Thailand, India and realize Palestine and Irag are just excuses for the violence the Qu'ran mandates against Infidels. I just don't see Muslim outrage over the barbaric actions done in the Prophet of Islam's name
I would love it if the UAC's call to Muslim organizations did produce an outpouring of "moderate" Muslims supporting the US but I don't expect it. And even if it did, can you trust them? We already know how Islamic scripture calls for deceiving the Infidel when necessary. The more I know about Islam, the less optimistic I become that we can reach peaceful solutions.
No sir, we can't be blamed at all for not trusting them.
There is an old Hindi saying "When confronted with a snake and a muslim, take care of the muslim first". No one knows who made it up. It came up sometime during the 1200 years of muslim aggression. When I was younger, I did not believe it, since I believed in 'Secularism' (multiculturism). Now I do.
But of course they can blame us, it is an involuntary response, like breathing.
How dare we dirty, scatalogical heathens refuse to follow the teachings of the murderer-prophet Mohammad?
But it is far past time worrying about whether Muslims blame us for this and that and the other, or about what they think of us, or whether despite their constant vitriol and violence spewed in our direction, they really like us underneath their contorted grimace of hatred?
Can they blame us? Who cares?
The muslims should be the ones to worry. They should be very worried about what the US and the rest of the civilized West thinks of them.
If the terrorist continues thier war against the West, there will be a halt to islamic immigration, in fact there will be mass deportation of muslims who are suspect.
FIVEOFNINE,
First, we have to address the Dhimmi politicians who are on the muslim payroll and care only about votes/funds and could care less about the future of Western Civilization. Only then will we see any significant policy change on immigration/deportation.
I have attempted to find a definition of "tutti quanti" and am only getting a general feeling for it by reading other sentences using the phrase.
I gather it means 'all the perfomers' in 'quantity'.
I would rather ask and get a reference and be thought a fool than to say nothing and prove it.
Thanks,
Jet
Imagine a fire triangle--one side is oxygen, one side is fuel, and one side is energy. Fire needs a source of oxygen (air, ozone, etc.) which chemically combines with fuel at a high enough temperature to maintain the fire's combustion process. If one of these three factors is missing, fire cannot exist. Fire fighters extinguish fires by removing one or more of the sides of the triangle.
http://www.tpt.org/newtons/11/fire.html
I propose an analogy based on the fire triangle in order to come to some understanding of the inferno that is Islam resurgent.
The fuel is the manpower, weapons, money, training, intelligence, safe havens and all other material means mainly, but not exclusively, provided by despotic states with Muslim majorities.
The oxygen is Islam. Islam is an innately supremacist creed. Submission is the central tenet of Islam. Terror is the means sanctified by the prophet Mohammad to obtain submission.
The energy is provided by Muslim clerics, specifically Muslim clerics calling the faithful to jihad.
The oxygen and energy sides of the triangle are the crux of the evil that is Islam resurgent. On what basis does Islamic theology provide for an orientation toward peaceful coexistence with unbelievers? Are Muslim clerics prepared to unconditionally renounce jihad and lead the faithful to live peacefully with unbelievers?
Can Muslims live peacefully with unbelievers and remain true to Islam? Then why has not one Muslim cleric in America condemned, publicly, unconditionally and in terms of Islamic theology, the ever increasing evil done in the name of their god? Why have Muslims living in the West, with all the freedoms of the West, not engendered a mass missionary movement to reclaim their religion back from the scum who embrace Hezbollah, Hamas and al-Qaeda? Why do Muslims living in the West find their young men seduced to the darkness that is Islam resurgent rather than being a palliative to the death cult of Islam?
Since 9/11 President Bush has attempted to dampen the inferno that is Islam resurgent by cutting off the fuel provided by despotic Islamic states. Unfortunately attacking from this side of the Islamic inferno triangle requires us to eliminate most if not all sources of fuel to extinguish the flames of Islam resurgent. Every Iranian and Syrian supplied rocket that slams into Israel forewarns us that we cannot defeat the evil that is Islam resurgent on the strategic defensive in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Unless and until the overwhelming majority of Muslims reject the innately supremacist tenets of Islam and/or the overwhelming majority of Muslim clerics establish and promulgate a rational for the realm of Islam to live peacefully with unbelievers we cannot suffer an Islamic polity possessing nuclear weapons. I pray God that we as a people find the will to do what must be done to douse the inferno of Islam resurgent.
They, those lax or mild Muslims, who do not really observe or believe much...
Wouldn't this be a flaccid Moslem, who does not really muster nor deliver much...
There is an old Hindi saying "When confronted with a snake and a muslim, take care of the muslim first"
Haa. God bless America that is so funny. Whoops, sorry, may The Gods bless India. Classic. I'm gonna remember that quote.
No.
I wouldn't participate in any event that involved muslims and since they don't mingle with lowly kafirs, chance encounters are rare. I do not patronize their businesses, nor do my family and friends. About the only time I see muslims is when I go to Sam's Club to buy supplies; there aren't too many around here, thank God.
When I go to Sam's, I always make it a point to "accidently" touch as many of them as possible, hoping they will have to rush home and do their little wudu ritual to remove my infidel cooties from their pristine bodies. I enjoy fantasizing about their obsessive/compulsive purification routine and the possibility that I screwed up their whole day. There are always groups of them at the tobacco counter, buying crates of cigarettes or paying for pallets of merchandise because they're too lazy to stand in line. Since you have to walk right by that area to get to the main floor, it's really hard not to brush up against them.
My puerile behavior is silly I suppose, but I do enjoy it. I would never confront or harass a muslim for the purpose of starting an argument or making a scene, but I look forward to the day I am "invited" to Islam. In fact, I can't wait.
Oh come now, Susanp, surely you, as I and the rest of the lurkers and posters here and on JihadWatch, have received one of Naseem's "persuasively" calligraphed invites to Big Al and Mo-Dogg's cotillion, borne on one of her many silver-platter postings?
Nope, You can't blame us.
Haha! Good one, Susanp. It's always fun (and worthwhile!) to take the piss out of self righteous twits.
There is an old Hindi saying "When confronted with a snake and a muslim, take care of the muslim first"
Haa. God bless America that is so funny. Whoops, sorry, may The Gods bless India. Classic. I'm gonna remember that quote.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer
Could you please elaborate ? I, on my part, merely said what is a common saying in rural India.
Oh come now, Susanp, surely you, as I and the rest of the lurkers and posters here and on JihadWatch, have received one of Naseem's "persuasively" calligraphed invites to Big Al and Mo-Dogg's cotillion, borne on one of her many silver-platter postings?
Posted by: Eisenhund at July 25, 2006 03:20 AM
I had forgotten about Naseem's invitations to join up now or face the scimitar later, but I want a personal, face-to-face invitation from a believer, preferably a group of them, with lots of people milling around to hear my reply. They like to set up little propaganda booths in malls, where they disseminate taquiya in brochures showing pictures of smiling, hijabbed muslimas with five or six toddlers tugging at her shrouds. They omit the bearded, scowling husband impatiently hoofing it to the minivan, eager to go home and start on offspring number seven.
Naseem's not a real muslim anyway; she'll be one of the first casualties when the jihadists liberate Pakistan. She could leave her desolate homeland and enjoy a real life, but she is terrified that she might experience some non-violent, bloodless pleasure and evoke the wrath of allah.