Eurabia Alert from the Jerusalem Post:
France called on Israel on Friday to free arrested Hamas ministers and said both sides must move to reduce escalating tensions.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Jean-Baptiste Mattei said France fears that the situation will "feed an escalation and strengthen the most extreme elements, which is doubtless not Israel's objective."
Never mind that this present episode began with the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier; in Mattei's statement, the onus is on Israel to make it all go away.
France does not want the situation to lead to "the weakening and, even less so, the disappearance of the Palestinian Authority," Mattei said.
"The Israelis must be very vigilant about the consequences of their actions," the spokesman said during a regular press briefing, adding that Israeli restraint in the situation "is desirable."
"A de-escalation must be started," Mattei said.
Referring to the eight Palestinian ministers and 56 other Hamas officials captured by Israel, he added, "We await the liberation of these political officials."
Freeing Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit would also clearly favor a de-escalation, he said.
Oh, yes, there's that, by the way.
Also Friday, thousands of angry Turks burned US and Israeli flags and chanted pro-Hamas slogans in a protest against Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip.
Hundreds of women, many wearing black chadors or Islamic-style head scarves, carried Palestinian flags and yelled, "Murderer Israel, get out of Palestine!"
A man with a loud speaker warned the Jewish state that it was turning Turkey's 70 million Muslims against it. "Inshallah (God willing), all of Turkey will show in coming days that it is behind Palestine!" he said.
"Inshallah!" the crowd yelled back.
As protesters streamed out of the Beyazid Mosque after prayers and began to fill the square, police said they estimated 5,000 people had shown up. Later, they downgraded that estimate to 2,000.
LIberte, Equalite, Fraternite.
The French of Napoleon Bonaparte is only history. Napoleon will be turning in his grave knowing how soft his contrymen have become. They got kicked out of Indo-China, Algeria then brown-nosed Hitler. Took them a month to control rioting by teenagers. THEN THEY HAVE THE GALL TO COUNSEL ISRAEL
Goodness!! The French are even willing to surrender for other nations too. Paris is a rat infested toilet with immigrant crime rampant. When I was in Turkey the two most obvious things to remember were the smell of feces everywhere due to no sewers and the men walking around with young boys holding onto their robes.
Seems that if France and Turkey were both to cease to exist there would be no noticable loss to anyone, anywhere. They contribute nothing to the world. The French and muzlims are so similar. Afraid of everything and hide from everyone. Oh well soon the turks will be enjoying the pleasures of the young french boys as they become the majority.
"France does not want the situation to lead to "the weakening and, even less so, the disappearance of the Palestinian Authority," Mattei said."
- If a Palestinian Authority HAS any authority it is to be treated as a government. If a government attacks another, kills and kidnaps its soldiers etc. - these are acts of war. Who the HELL is France or Turkey or anyone to tell Israel how much they are 'allowed' to respond 'proportionately' to what is either 'acts of war' or pure terrorism?
Remember the good old days when Teddy Roosevelt would send in the troops because a businessman was held hostage or a diplomat roughed up? The message was - you don't eff with us. Israel used to be like that. Sigh.
To be fair to the French, when their military prowess is mocked, I believe the French navy once gave Greenpeace a run for their money.
Chill out on the Francophobia. The problem with France is its government and the dhimmi-leftist elite in Paris. Ever since Louis XIV concentrated power in the central government, France has been unstable. Even electoral politics is weighted to favour Paris and disenfranchise the rural departments. Since Robespierre, that central government has been at war with the French Catholic heritage and culture.
This means that power is held by the Euro-leftist elite who are cut off from France's ancient heritage and Christian civilization. The French people as a whole are not represented by these dhimmis. Should they ever manage to replace the Central government with one that truly represented the majority, France may once again be the eldest daughter of the Church and defender of Western Civilization.
Let's lay the blame where it belongs, on Chirac, the bureaucracy, and the disgusting Euro-dhimmi elite, not on the French people.
Me thinks perhaps it's high time for another French Revolution.
I lay the blame at the French people because they elect these idiots and shun the right like Le Pen in huge demonstrations. That is France.
Seems that if France and Turkey were both to cease to exist there would be no noticable loss to anyone, anywhere
Well, to be fair, I would miss french fries. What else has France done for the world recently? And french fries are not that recent.
somethingaboutislam-
"French fries" are Belgian [and called "friet" there-] which has a French-speaking minority, aside from "Flemish" [essentially Dutch with a softer "g" accent) majority.
The French only seem to be able to unite when they gather to protest the self-defensive acts of their allies {U.S. primarily) or rise against internal, rational reforms to their delusionally-generous educational/industrial system. So steeped in Sartrean communist/socialistic utopian myths that they can't think they way out of anything tougher than a soggy pomme frites bag.
Their top minds love to entangle themselves in a form of psychodramatic gobbledygook called "post-modern continental philosophy". But it hardly demonstrates the origins of that compound word in action (philo- "love" of sophia- "wisdom"), being more a bilge of pseudo-intellectual elitism and quasi-historical obscurantism [see Foucault; Derrida; Irigaray; etc.] than anything as useful or pithy as earlier French thinkers like Voltaire or Henri Bergson.
These children of the failed revolutions, and the collapsed cul de sac Commune, need to learn that Islam will be to France what Genghis Khan was to Baghdad in the 1200's.
But, they are so enraptured with long vacations and cheap Turkish beachfront rentals that destroying their own nation (and abetting the downfall of Western civilization in the deal) seems a small price to pay for a tan and inexpensive olives and villifying the Yankee cowboys.
"Honi soit qui mal y pense."
France and its people, not ONLY its arrogant politicians, are to blame for the arrogance, the deliberate ignorance and the treason to their own culture.
The laughable 'Grand Nation', that clownish, grimacing and corrupt Chirac, that impeccably dressed Doinique de Villepin, (big on style, short on substance) resemble all the delusion of yesterdays welfare state which, god forbid, must never change, regardless...
Revolution is "good", Socialism is a must, multi-culti is in and 'how dare you lecture us!'
The world owes us...!
WE ARE civilization, sez France, Americans are primitives, we are a world power MUCH greater, its just so that others don't recognize it....
Ignorance is bliss for the French, and they are proud of it. Paris has become a province of Africa, like Marseilles, and there are large parts where you wouldn't dare to get out of your car when you had the misfortune to have lost your way.
Hamas, the duly elected leadership of the Palestinians, is still in the business of committing terrorism (including kidnappings) and getting away with it.
The acquiescence by the West of state-sponsored Muslim terrorism began in 1979, with Iran's seizure of the U.S. embassy and the taking of American hostages for a whole year. Some of those hostages were even beaten by their captors. In total violation of international law. The attack ordered by the Iranian government against American citizens constituted a casus belli. What penalty has the Iranian government ever paid for that? None. That incident was the start of the modern Islamic jihad against the West, just as the invasion of Poland started World War II in 1939. In both cases, the West responded half-heartedly and eventually paid a heavy price for its inaction.
If Hamas wants to be regarded as the legitimate representatives of Palestine, then any terrorist attack Hamas launches against any other nation constitutes an act of war against that nation. Theoretically. But so did the Iranian seizure of our American embassy. And we caved in on that one.
Zut alors!
Stop bashing the French. Only the English are allowed to bash the French.
"French fries" are Belgian [and called "friet" there-] which has a French-speaking minority, aside from "Flemish" [essentially Dutch with a softer "g" accent) majority.
What is Belgian kissing? French kissing, but with more Flem.
Well if the french didn't give the world french fries, then I guess there would be nothing left to mourn should France pass away in the night. No, wait a minute. French toast. Ohh, french toast on sunday morning with syrup and butter. France is redeemed. America should send 100,000 to die defending french toast from islam. If France won't defend their breakfast items, America will.
if the french didn't give the world french fries, then I guess there would be nothing left to mourn should France pass away in the night.
Beans, leave, letters.
Horns.
All: Your French bashing shows your ignorance and immaturity. The problem is not bashing the French but the reasons that you bash them.
France, as did Britain, Spain, Portugal screwed themselves with their colonial adventures which enabled all of them muslims and unassimilable third worlders to become citizens.. then with the two acts of cultural suicide called WWI and WWII, they depleted their populations and HAD to open the flood gates of immigration (especially true in Germany, and of course Germany will pay forever and eternity for Hitler, but being multicultural, PC, and anti"racist".).
But that's only one set of reasons, the other is oil and gas and markets. French, German and English firms need markets for their products (ahem, recall the Muslim boycott on Danish products?), and then there is the oil..France, England, Germany do not produce their own oil, they have no oil wells, but Norway does have it's natural gas fields in the North Sea.
Europe is a slave to Muslim oil, and Muslim markets for their goods.. and Europe is a slave to "cheap" muslim labor, just like the American construction and agricultural industry is a slave to illegal Mexican immigrant labor.
Now if these corporations would pay a decent wage, then they wouldn't need this foreign cheap labor, but then there is free market economics, anything less would be socialisme and that would be (gasp) lefist.
It's past midnite and time for the right wing to stop reacting, and spouting childishly, and start examining problems and situations in their totality. I would lecture leftists (and do) but the consensus on this blog is decidely "right wing" (and extremely so, especially the religious nuts who mirror the Muslim in their self righteous fanaticism).
In 1529 the Ottomans, perhaps the most powerful Islamic empire, made their first attempt to conquer Vienna and were repelled.
The Franco-Ottoman alliance began 2 - 3 years later, when Francis I of France asked for help in holding back Holy Roman Emperor Charles V. The traditional friendship between France and Turkey, directed against Hapsburg Austria and Spain was laid during the reign of Sulayman I, (1520-1566) "Sulayman the Magnificent".
This alliance was to last and outlast centurîes.
Nariz,
I can only speak for myself, but I think the reason that many people who post here are right leaning is the because of the realization that many left leaning individuals and organizations don’t understand the Islamic threat, and in fact don’t think it’s a threat at all. In general, left leaning politicians and organizations (ACLU, NY Times etc..) at best do nothing and at worst actively assist islamists through court action and slanted media coverage.
I think that the term "right wing" is an unfair categorization, as it immediately conjures up preconceived notions about what people on the “right” believe. Before 9/11 I was an independent, after 9/11 I became a Republican, and I also realized I needed to learn more about islam. I imagine I was not the only one making the conversion to becoming a Republican and learning more about islam after 9/11.
The book by Robert Spencer and Daniel Ali, Inside Islam, a guide for Catholics
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0965922855/qid=1151806987/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/102-3716299-7383365?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
was instrumental for me. After 9/11 I also became more devout in my faith, Catholicism (Probably not the sort of result Osama had in mind).
I certainly don't agree with the Republican Party on many, many issues. Probably not for the same reasons as some one the “left” would. I certainly am not here to defend them. However in my mind, and probably of many, I realize that the best resistance to islam, at least at this time, lies with the “right”. For all its failures, and their are many, the rhetoric coming from many Democrats such as John Murtha make me cringe. I am not talking about Iraq per se, but the overall, long-term consequences of what would happen if Democrats like that were in control. Europe, especially Sweden, has shown the failure of the liberal/leftist leadership in dealing with muslims.
Nariz is correct, the bloggers here, by and large, are extraordinarily right wing. This is evidenced by the fact that so many demand totalitarian rule. See: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012019.php#comments. Indeed, many demand fascism (with all that that implies). Speaking as an American, I can say unequivocally that these rightists have already mentally (and actually) capitulated the very freedoms that Moslems find so distressingly; the same freedoms the Moslems seek to take away from us. After all, when it comes to social issues, many of these extremists scantly differ from Moslems.
Such a large percentage of these extremists never cease the incessant attacks on the left, even when it is pointed out to them that some leftists agree with them about Islam.
I have even read attacks on Bill gates and Warren Buffet because they plan to leave their vast estates to causes they hold dear. (This is a BAD THING?) This opposition is entirely political, as they despise any persons who do not wish to view the world as they do.
These same extremists have the audacity to equate subversive Moslems to the left in the West. That is shameful. These same conservatives are finding that they are unable to convince the left that Moslems are tremendously dangerous because they so strongly opposed to everyone - everyone, no EVERYONE - who does not share their narrow-minded worldviews. Moreover, we continue to witness the terribly mean spirited attacks for those on the left being driven by the same extremists will cause many in the general public to associate justified criticism of Islam with "Islamophobia" because they view such persons supporting ANY Israeli action, no matter how extreme. Any mention of comprising in any aspect with Palestinians, whether they are Non-believers, Christian or Moslem is quick to draw the label of idiot. Any mention that the Israel could in some way compromise a small portion in an attempt at making peace is likewise greeted with resounding attacks. We are to believe that the Palestinians, regardless of their religion, have to have no rights whatsoever; they cannot be negotiated with, but rather, must await their “just” execution by the righteous. These are radical and unacceptable views.
Additionally, so many of those who hate Moslems, hate them for all the wrong reasons (their races and ethnicities). That brings up another problem: rampant racism at this site by many of the bloggers. Last, but not least, many of these extremists attack Islam with their religious text, thereby nullifying the important message that needs to be said about Islam. With such bias, who could take such bloggers seriously?
Some bloggers here seek impossible and imaginary remedies (the extermination of all Moslems, or sequestration of all Moslems in the Western world). They imagine apocalyptic intervention by incorporeal entities “destined” to save them from the menace de jeur (Islam). I have news for them. No such intervention will occur. Instead of reaching out to liberals and moderate Moslems, telling them how dangerous the fanatical Moslems are (not how dangerous Islam the philosophy is), these bloggers potentially deprive us of the greatest ally we have in this war, some Moslems themselves. These extremists forget the suffering of Moslems at the hands of extremists. Of course them do. They dream of killing all Moslems, for surely they could never change – none of them. In fact, Moslems are the greatest ally we have, for it is they, who will split Islam. It is they whose blood is most likely to be spilt. This is as true in Iraq today, as it could be in Riyadh tomorrow.
Let my public flogging on JW DW begin. I know it's coming. The attacks on my sexuality. The attacks on my educational background follow thereafter in a feeble attempt to discredit my positions. That's ok. It hurts many to hear the truth, just like it hurts liberals to hear the truth about Islam.
I hear you're gay. Congratulations - I'm proud of you
"(ahem, recall the Muslim boycott on Danish products?), "
As a matter of a fact I do, I also remember hearing from the Danish Foriegn Minister that since the boycott started there has been a net increase in sales.
Lecture smeone else.
Duty, Honor, Country
(in THAT order)
Rowane
I can say unequivocally that these rightists have already mentally (and actually) capitulated the very freedoms that Moslems find so distressingly; the same freedoms the Moslems seek to take away from us.
Classic leftist line. The freedoms the muslims wish to take away are our freedoms to worship, our freedom to wear normal clothing, our freedom to drink beer and walk hand in hand with our wives in a public park. They want to take away our freedom to listen to music, watch movies, see art, visit museums, paint pictures, and the freedom of Jews to exist as free people. And our freedom to criticise islam. They definitely want to take away that freedom. Along with all our other freedoms. In fact, there is not one freedom we have, that they don't want to take away. For that, their freedoms need to be taken away. Fast, hard, without compunction, and anyone that would resist that, or defend them, needs to be lumped with them and dealt accordingly. So don't give us any intellectual sophistry about the right wanting to take away freedoms.
You can't fight islam from the Left, anymore than you can fight inflation, crime, wars, or social decay from the Left. Being gay or an atheist is a mute consideration. Nobody really cares. But thanks for mentioning it. The Left is defunct as an ideology. By 1968, it was already apparent that the emperor had no clothes. It has now brought our society, in the interim, to the precarious edge it finds itself today. Something has to be done to keep us from going off into the abyss, since so many Leftists have already gone off the edge.
Nariz sez:
"...and of course Germany will pay forever and eternity for Hitler, but being multicultural, PC, and anti"racist".).
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Recent surveys have shown 66 % of Germans show growing resentment against Islam... Watch and be surprised Nariz! The resistance is on the way!
kafir nonbeliever,
The people here who are right wingers are not so of their own choice. At least I got that impression from their postings. And I have yet to come across a racist comment. These people are right wingers because they understand the threat. They have read history, they have read the koran, and they know the jihad has never stopped and it will never stop. It is like the terminator. That does not leave us with a lot of choice, does it ? It is just binary, when you come down to it. Read some more JW before you start making esoteric comments.
One more thing, Naritz:
"Now if these corporations would pay a decent wage, then they wouldn't need this foreign cheap labor, but then there is free market economics, anything less would be socialisme and that would be (gasp) lefist."
This is absolute BS! You are completely off the rails! Europe is not the US, our labour market is totally regulated and the unions see to it that nobody is left in the lurch! "Cheap labour" is a fantasy product of your lefty looney imagination. Apart from this no survey has ever been done how much the Mohammedan infiltrators REALLY cost us. The welfare coffers are empty and the muzzies keep breeding relentlessly! Apart from this it may have escaped you that European governments are nearly all lefty, socialist constructs.
Do you advocate totalitarian communism??
Kafir sez:
"...these rightists have already mentally (and actually) capitulated the very freedoms that Moslems find so distressingly; the same freedoms the Moslems seek to take away from us..."
BS!
We know that it takes extraordinary measures to counter the Mohammedan insurgency, at a time of war (and we are at war) there are priorities, and to uphold all sacrosanct civil liberties at a time of war is foolish at best and helps the enemy. Quite simple...
After the war is over, we can go back to normal, but now we have to stick together. Civil liberties are NOT the ultimate wisdom!
"...I have even read attacks on Bill gates and Warren Buffet because they plan to leave their vast estates to causes they hold dear. (This is a BAD THING?) .."
You think it helps Africa if we give them 'debt relief' and naive, foolish people like Gates and Buffet (and people like that) feeding them with hundreds of millions of dollars will fix anything?
You are a fool if you believe that! It will do nothing other than perpetuate the cargo cult and will encourage more Africans to 'follow the money' - and they already come in the tens of thousands, in leaky boats, landing in Malta, Italy, Spain in leaky boats... and bleeding hearts want to raid the empty coffers of their respective governments even more to accommodate them,
a hopeless undertaking leading to civil war and disaster!
We can not fix Africas problems by throwing money their way.
Africa must take car of itself... All the Bonos and Clitmans & Khadr's are phony's and you guys better wake up and smell the coffee!
I guess France forgot the Algerian jihadists who killed and mutilated French soldiers and civilians. I don't know whether the French street backs the government's policies. If it does, France has no future. If it doesn't, we can expect to see a strong-armed, fascist leader elected in France in the not-so-far future, who will take care of the "Muslim problem" in France.
Sheikh
Reason Gates was attacked the other day was using his money to buy the greenhouses from the Israeli evictees from Gaza to give the Palis. I suspect it was the latter act, since the former act presumably gave the Gaza settlers some badly needed cash.
Other than that, it's his money to do what he likes with it, but in the context that both Windows and Office are exorbitantly priced, and one is not at liberty to install them on multiple PCs, it's in a way taxing us to pay the Palis. Hence some of the resentment.
However, by calling Israel's retaliation for the abduction of one of its soldiers from within Israeli territory as extreme, Kafir shows himself as an idiot who despite his claims is not sure which side he's on. His statement calling for "compromise a small portion in an attempt at making peace" is priceless, since that's precisely what the Gaza disengagement was about, and look at what the Israelis have gotten for it.
There may come a time when the Left as a whole recognizes Islam as exceeding the most parodic representation that they could have made of organized religion, and identify it as an enemy. Until that happens, Kafir and Nariz notwithstanding, none of us are under any obligation to avoid slamming the Left, particularly when they are such active allies of Islam.
Why do intelligent people like those who post here continue to believe in right-left, in the nonsense of a "political spectrum"?? Maybe politics and ideology should be seen as more three-dimensional, spectral yes, but not as a spectrum. Anyhow, our capitalist activist Grover Norquist seems to be as enthusiastic a pro-Islamist as many a Democrat and many a "leftist." Of course, there is no substitute for knowing history, and conservatives may be more practiced at knowing that than so-called liberals or leftists, maybe because leftists believe that only the present and future matter. But Arabs/Muslims most definitely are aware of the importance of history. That's why they spend so much time falsifying it. To conclude, we need a new political science, among other things, which will discard the idiotic, long-false left-right notion and will get back to the notion of interests, but not necessarily interests in a monetary sense. There are other sorts of interests than money and property, as important as they may be. Anyhow, what should be done about the capitalists who help enrich Saudi Arabia, for one thing? Or who are ready to sell Washington, DC, to Dubai or Abu Dhabi?
I don't think I am necessarily "right" wing and I think the 'bloggers here have many different and varied opinions - hence the "little disagreements" between us.I don't think we can be pigeon-holed that easily.
I fear for western civilization,period. The biggest threat to that is the Left, and yes, in conjunction islam.
Yep,to me it is that simple. Hence I post on ths site.The trouble is that terrorism has made people very fearful. You cannot negotiate with them so people look for other ways to save themselves and "vent".
Re the French:
I think they are now hopeless members of western civilization. France will fall first IMHO.
If it is just the government of France then why do the people keep voting them in these past decades??
The French have been picking on Israel and the US for ages. Their double standards amaze me. They will pay for this big time.
I bet Louis XIV wouldn't have stood for this kind of weakness, neither would Napoleon.
No proud Frenchman would.
This is a land of literature, art, architecture, music, food, wine,and of course fashion. Not to mention love and romance.
But for how much longer?
"However, by calling Israel's retaliation for the abduction of one of its soldiers from within Israeli territory as extreme, Kafir shows himself as an idiot who despite his claims is not sure which side he's on. "
- Infidel Pride
Here we go again. You employ the most simplistic characterization and response known to the smallest of children whenever they have a disagreement with another: resorting to attacks on the intelligence of another. I don’t fault you for it since I see it repeatedly on this blog. You could just as easily have mentioned syntax, as I notice a lot of mistakes in what I wrote late last night. After all, pointing out incorrect grammar, or misspelled words would surely "win" any argument presented here.
Instead of attacking your intelligence, I will instead quote from an earlier thread wherein you defended totalitarianism. Note the following quotes taken from Infidel Pride:
"Hence, it would take someone with a totalitarian outlook to crack down on Muslims in all these countries."
I don’t know about the systems in other countries to be able to provide a qualified answer as to their respective abilities to impose the totalitarian regime you desire (for presumably a very short time: long enough to rid the world of Moslems, or for a very specific purpose: as mentioned supra, to rid the world of Moslems).
"To pick up where I last left off, when I said I agree with somethingaboutislam on his second post, what I was endorsing was totalitarianism, but neither Nazism nor Communism. I do want to avoid endorsing a pre-existing totalitarianism whose credentials in dealing with the Islam problem is suspect. Both Nazism and Communism are not just inadequate, but have been allies of Islam, and therefore downright hostile to our goals."
Here you attempted to qualify your support of totalitarianism. You explained that your opposition to communism and fascism was that those two ideologies seemed to ally themselves with Islam. (One imagines that this is your only opposition to either of them, as you mentioned none other.)
Regarding my stance on Israel
You seem to indicate that I am unsure whether I support Israel of not. I think it is pretty clear from my postings that I support Israel, its existence and the safety of its people. The fact remains that I also see grievances by the Palestinians that must be addressed one way or another. I suppose in your world any criticism of Israel must mean that I want the flag of Islam to reign supreme not just above Tel Aviv, but also in Delhi. In your world, there is all black and white, good and evil. How nice that you see the world in such simple ways.
I meant to say:
Although I am somewhat familiar with the systems of governance of other western nations, I don’t know enough about the systems in those countries to be able to provide a qualified answer as to their respective abilities to impose the totalitarian regime you desire (for presumably a very short time: long enough to rid the world of Moslems, or for a very specific purpose: as mentioned supra, to rid the world of Moslems). However, I can say that what you desire is entirely unconstitutional here.
Kafir Nonbeliever,
From what I've seen Palestinians have an endless list of demands and grievances, that I don't believe will ever be satisfied.How many times has it been said that "Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity". The lastest example is their choosing to elect the terrorists of Hamas as their government in Gaza. Would you explain what "grievances" the Palestinians have that you think must be addressed?
" I suppose in your world any criticism of Israel must mean that I want the flag of Islam to reign supreme not just above Tel Aviv, but also in Delhi. In your world, there is all black and white, good and evil. How nice that you see the world in such simple ways."
Posted by: Kafir Nonbeliever
Well kafir, like I said, either go through J/W or visit your neighborhood library. Myself, being somewhat lesser educated than your self, simply go by these facts.
http://india.indymedia.org/en/2003/03/3571.shtml
And this was just the beginning for us uneducated people. The best part was to come later.
Is this the same France that we now know opposed the iraq liberation because of the Oil and Arms deals that made many French wealthy while the USA was blamed for harm done to civilians by the sanctions .
France is in no position to take the moral highground , and at the current rate of increase
with antisemitism by Muslims it will be merely a matter of time before the World sees the extend of this hatred from the Media having no choice but to report it as a National issue.
Kafir Nonbeliever wrote: "Although I am somewhat familiar with the systems of governance of other western nations, I don’t know enough about the systems in those countries to be able to provide a qualified answer as to their respective abilities to impose the totalitarian regime you desire (for presumably a very short time: long enough to rid the world of Moslems, or for a very specific purpose: as mentioned supra, to rid the world of Moslems). However, I can say that what you desire is entirely unconstitutional here."
Kafir Nonbeliever,
To exclude an ideology such as Islam, which is genuinely totalitarian in all respects, from our shores is not unconstitutional at all. And to do so, would not require that our government take a totalitarian form, nor would this be a totalitarian act.
Long ago, when I entered military service, I had to fill out security paperwork certifying that I was not, and never had been, a member of the Communist Party--a totalitarian ideology sworn to the destruction of capitalism and dedicated to replacement of our constitutional republic with a Marxist-Communist one-party state. Before I could take my oath, I was duly investigated by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI). Had I lied about my background in this regard, I would have gotten prison time. As far as I know, all public officials during the Cold War, and all prospective immigrants, had to make the same certification, and were subject to similar investigation.
Once admitted into the military, and trained as an officer, I then had to take the commissioning oath, the text of which you must be familiar: "I swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely, without any reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter, so help me God."
The oath of citizenship for immigrants is very similar, but also includes verbiage about renouncing loyalty to any foreign power or potentate.
No Communist could have taken that oath and meant it, nor could he have been safely entrusted with public duties. The same is true of any practitioner of the ideology called Islam, which, although it has religious trappings, is in reality a political organization (just as Communism) bent on world conquest, by deception and violence.
There is no reason at all that we could not exclude Muslims from our shores. We just have to understand what Islam is (not a "religion"), and then pass (and enforce) the appropriate legislation. The legislation would define Islam as an existential threat to our system of government and to our way of life, and would set up appropriate regulations, such as those that govern the commissioning of officer candidates (and other public officials, especially officials connected with public safety) and those regulations that define immigration rules and standards.
There is no reason we must admit persons into this country who wish to destroy the Constitution, or to permit such persons to hold public office. Indeed, it is our civic duty under the Consitution to prevent this.
Stendec-
Exactly.
And, as far as the citizenship oath goes, the "sovereign" for Muslims is the joint leadership of Mohammad/"Allah", whose combined "power" supercedes all loyalty to any earthly government. And therefore every Mohammedan has already pledged eternal allegiance to the pan-political/national/governmental Ummah.
Thus, all naturalized believing Muslims have sworn falsely, and thereby their deceptive citizenships are rendered null and void.
Repatriations, now, before the cost gets too high.
Or let them declare their apostacy to the tenets of the pedophile "prophet" and despotic warlord.
(I hear Mecca is beautiful this time of year... for all those unwilling to step away from the cult of the shattered meteorite. )
I must be cruel, only to be kind.
Hamlet, Act III, Scene IV
To be kind to our children, we must be cruel to the children who become terrorists.
To be kind to women, we must be cruel to those that mutiliate them.
To be kind to those that work in office buildings, we must be cruel to those that work in caves.
To be kind to the civilized, we must be cruel to the barbarous.
To be kind to good people, we must be cruel to bad people.
And by bad people, I don't just mean terrorists. I mean all people who resent the good and the kind.
This is something that the Left will never understand. That totalitarianism, in times of crisis, is a tool to protect the innocent, to be kind to the good. But the left doesn't want us to be kind to the good, if it means being cruel to the bad.
Since France did not call for the release of soldier Gilad Shalit, when he was captured, France's call is a clear bias towards the Islamic masters they bow to, hence carries no credibility.
Those who aren't on the side of the Mohammedans, that is.
You are correct that there are people on the right like Norquist, Buchanan, John Sununu Sr and Bob Novak, who are rabidly pro-Islamic. On the Left side, you have Alan Derschowitz, Geraldine Ferrarro, Bill Press, et al who are at least pro-Israel, if not anti-Islamic across the board. But a good part of the reason that people apply the political spectrum here is that in many countries (if not most), Left wing parties also tend to be more dhimmi, if not downright pro-Islamic, while with Right wing parties, while there still remains good amounts of dhimmitude, they are at least more persuadable about the threat posed by Islam.
Besides, the example you provided above is an exception, rather than the rule. You couldn't take Norquest, and then extrapolate his example to conclude that most of the GOP base in the US is pro-Islam, nor would one find Derschowitz' opinion the prevailant one among Democrats. While a good number of leading members of the GOP are pro-Islamic, that trend doesn't percolate down to the rank and file of the party.
Also, the Democratic support of Israel, or whatever is left of it, is a residual effect of those Jews (still a Dem vote block) who are still loyal to Israel. Most aren't - the most infamous being Stan Cohen - Hamas' lawyer in both the US and Israel.
The most noticeable thing the left and Muslims have in common is their fear of free speech. PC, largely instituted by so called "liberals" means that many people have to fear for their jobs or may even face actual intimidation for expressing views which don't co-incide with current orthodoxies. Islamophobia, like racism, are both useful big sticks for beating people when they point out the flaws in the multi-culti ethic. I think the most menacing thing I've seen recently was a debate in which Tariq Ramadan with his soft voice and demeanour attempted to persuade the audience that free speech in the West must be curtailed in case Muslims are upset by criticism. The case was that they're "not used to it" and their feelings would get hurt. The audience voted the proposal down but one can see how the unholy alliance of left/Islam works now.
"The fact remains that I also see grievances by the Palestinians that must be addressed one way or another." from a post above.
On this one I agree, however, with this over-riding qualification. By asking who are Palestinians who have legitimate grievances? The historic Palestinians are Christians, Jews, and Samaritans whose ancestors have roots in the land going back for thousands of years. Very few of the Muslims can legitimately claim these historic roots.
As I pointed out in another post, before Faisal Husseini and his Nazi advisors stole the term Palestinian from its original Christan and Jewish bearers, the local Muslims were simply known as Arabs or Turks. These Muslims, far from being oppressed, are invaders and illegal occupiers of Jewish and Christian land. In 1948, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Nazareth etc. were overwhelmingly Christian cities. There were probably more Jews living in them than Muslims. The Muslims were overwhelmingly Jordanian guest workers on Christian farms.
Unfortunately, Israeli policy often failed to distinquish between Muslims and Christians lumping them all together as Arabs. Many Christians then wrongly internalized this and the myth of the "Arab Palestinian" was born. In fact, until about two centuries ago, more Palestinian Christians spoke Aramaic (East Syriac) than Arabic.
It is now time to correct this tragic mistake. The Muslims should not be mistreated but they should be humanely transferred across the Jordan River. Israel will then be more secure and a true Palestinian state (with a Christian majority and in federation with Israel) can be established in Judea and Samaria. The Muslims will have Jordan to rule any way they see fit while Israel/Palestine can more effectively defend itself at the Jordan river without having to waste valuable land and money building those ugly security walls.
"Jerusalem will be inhabited as villages without walls, because of the multitude of men and livestock in it. For I,' says the L-RD,'will be to her a wall of fire around it, and I will be the glory in the midst of her." Zechariah 2:4-5
InfidelPride,
another example of "right-wing" support for Arabs/Muslims is Giscard d'Estaing who was --I recall-- French president back in the late 1970s. Giscard is the one who brought the big numbers of Arabs/Muslims into France, although there were some there already. Giscard argued: Well, we'll allow family unification and then the problem will be solved. Whether or not he was sincere [and how can we measure that?], things did not work out that way. Further, it has been reliably reported that in France, LePen who is considered the leading "ultra-rightist," is also making deals with Arabs/Muslims. [report in the New York Sun in February or March].
All: Your French bashing shows your ignorance and immaturity. The problem is not bashing the French but the reasons that you bash them.
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You know what -- there are so many reasons to bash on France, I couldn't possibly do it in one sitting, but suffice it to say that we can bash who we wish, when we deem appropriate, and you can call us jingoists, nationalists, racists, neocons or whatever other nonsense you must use in order to attempt to curb our disdain for a country that has been in a state of perpetual decline since Marie Antoinette, but in the end it is the French that are the enemies of France, and not us.
To Kafir Nonbeliever:
Yes, sir, you are indeed a flaming, moronic, ignorant jackass.
Eliyahu
You are right, but when I talk about right-wing, I'm referring to parties that are patriotic, economically capitalistic, socially pro-religious, and by and large embrace an inclusive value system. I'd think the Republicans in the US, Likud in Israel, the Conservatives in Canada, the NDA in India, et al. I wasn't thinking about groups like Le Pen, Vlad Zhirnovsky's Nationalist party, Ayran Nation or other such groups, which, if you look at them closely, do support supremacist ideas, but don't believe, say, in free markets, free expression of religion, et al. I believe this topic is currently being discussed at Jihadwatch - the one about "Whites being lured into Islamic terror".
Eliyahu
In other words, when you strip out their nationalistic and any other parochial appeals they may have, they look identical to socialist/communist parties.
poetcomic, A man named Perdicaris who had applied for American citizenship but had not yet been accepted as a citizen, I believe, was taken captive in Morocco by some rebel ["muslim reformer"?] named Mulay Hassan or some such name. Theo Roosevelt ordered that US naval ships aim their guns at the Moroccan coastal town and demand "Perdicaris alive or Mulay Hassan dead." The threat of destroying the town by naval artillery was made clear. Perdicaris was released.
poetcomic, A man named Perdicaris who had applied for American citizenship but had not yet been accepted as a citizen, I believe, was taken captive in Morocco by some rebel ["muslim reformer"?] named Mulay Hassan or some such name. Theo Roosevelt ordered that US naval ships aim their guns at the Moroccan coastal town and demand "Perdicaris alive or Mulay Hassan dead." The threat of destroying the town by naval artillery was made clear. Perdicaris was released.