Sharia Alert from Iran, where they have the nerve to lecture the West about human rights abuses. Of course, stoning for adultery is mandated by Muhammad in the Hadith, and that makes it virtually impossible to eradicate from Sharia societies. But the human rights establishment and the international community in general should have the courage to say clearly and firmly that this and other elements of Sharia are incompatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and will not be tolerated. From AKI, with thanks to all who sent this in:
Tehran, 29 June (AKI) - A court in the northwestern Iranian city of Urmia has sentenced a Kurdish woman, Malak Ghorbany, found guilty of committing adultery to death by stoning - a sentence rarely carried out in recent years. The court also sentenced the woman's brother Abu Bakr Ghorbai and husband Mohammad Daneshfar to six years in jail for killing her lover. Stoning death sentences decreased after international pressure on former reformist president Mohammad Khatami contributed to the end of such rulings in the late 1990s. The punishment was however never scrapped from the penal code of the Islamic Republic.The Committee for the defence of human rights of Iranian Kurdistan has issued a statement to save the life of Malak Ghorbani.
ahh I just love the human rights under Islam the religion of Pieces..
There ARENT ANY ...
I wonder where the Amnest Internation folks or the peacenics are?
I wonder where the aclu is?
I wonder where all the Dick Turbins and baghdad jim mcwheasle are?
Where is the outcry?
Oh i forgot if its not a Palestinian or Islamic terrorists... the Left just ignores the CRIMES againstr Humanity...
Pefering instead to try our soldiers (even if they are found innocent) in the World Press..
I say its time to bring back the sedition laws..
It may not save this womans life...
But it may save the lives of countless americans who are to be targeted by Islam...
Perfect. We should not condemn such savagery,
but encourage it. The more bestial and 'authentic'
Islamic rule is in Islamic socities, the better
for the civilized world.
Yes, george_rem, but only if it gets reported widely in the west. Will the British national dailies carry this story? Will I hear about it on the BBC?
Probably not. I've emailed them with the story and the link, though, so they have no excuse. If everyone here also emails their newspapers and radio stations, perhaps the word will spread, just a little.
Aardvark, my point is that we should encourage Muslim societies to adopt Sharia and other barbaric Islamic customs and rules, because this will cause them to become even more backward and primitive, and eventually will destroy them.
True Islam is self-destructive. That's why we should encourage it.
Brilliant....did anybody notice? Perhaps Robert should have boldened the text which said
The court also sentenced the woman's brother Abu Bakr Ghorbai and husband Mohammad Daneshfar to six years in jail for killing her lover.
So, umm....6 yrs for murder, death for adultery.
Shariah, the beacon of human rights!
And who knows, her "lover" may have been the poor Fuller brush guy that just happened to be walking past her house. Her husband may have just been wanting another and younger wife.
Or maybe her brother raped her and blamed it on the Fuller brush salesman.
Or maybe she left the house and bumped into the Fuller brush guy.
Or maybe she had another girl instead of a boy and they blamed it on the Fuller brush guy.
Maybe they had a build up of rocks lying around the house and they needed to get rid of them and needed a good excuse.
Maybe they just didn't like the Fuller brush salesman.
An eyewitness account of a stoning:
http://www.liddyshow.us/liddyfile35.php
"Dear readers, please put on your thinking cap and imagine a mental picture of the following story.
A deep hole is dug in the ground. A 30 year old lady, tied up from feet to shoulders, as a stick, is lowered alive into this hole, in a standing position. Only her neck and head are visible. Can you imagine a human head sticking above ground?
When the order is given, a man throws a fist-sized stone at her protruding head. The stone hits her head with a thud. She screems in pain as the blood oozes down her face. Another man picks up a stone and scraps the side of her head drawing a lateral line of blood. She cries and screems in excruciating pain. Since it is a free for all, a teenage spectator from this open playing field, tries his luck, but misses her head completely. Another aims at her and flings it with force. The stone hits its intended target, her forehead.
She screems and cries loudly for mercy. There is now a gash on her forehead. Blood spurting out, down her eyes, nose, cheeks, mouth and down to the ground. She cries out for mercy but to not avail. The minutes become an hour, between the many misses, scraps, nicks, chips and strikes. Another spectator flings forcefully at her.
The stone hits the bridge of her nose with another thud. She screems again and again. This time the blood comes down from inside and outside her nose. Probably, her nasal bridge-bone is broken, causing the bleeding from inside her nostrils as well. Though her wounds are grave, as you can imagine, her screems by now are not as vociferous as earlier, and her tears help to wash some of the blood on her cheeks. Her vision has completely gone with the blood coating.The next stone hits her again. A piece of flesh pops out. No, its not, oh god, it really can't be her eye-ball. It is so bloody that you cann't really make out. By this time, blood has covered her entire face and the ground in front of her.She still makes groaning sounds. More time pass. Stoning her, continues. Her sounds are less and less audible. Her face has become unrecognisable. Flesh, like mashed meat is her face, but only more bloody, as she now literally has no human face. Small strips of flesh, like locks of hair are hanging from her. Her head is now droopping forward. At this stage a hit on her make splashes of blood. She has stopped making a sound for the last two stone pelting. Two hours have passed. The Islamic authorities check her neck for pulse. It is still beating but barely, due to the loss of blood. A flesh piece drops off her head, as the stoning process continues.
Finally,death comes to this lady. She is then left there for a few more hours for the spectators to see, because this is a public lesson for all muslim females, who commit adultery.Then her father and relatives are allowed to dig her body, and bring it above ground. Pieces of her flesh, lying on the ground, is collected and because she has no face, it is put back on the front of her head, and bundled up. Now readers, imagine that is your mother, or your daughter, or sister, or even you, yourself.
DNA is not accepted in Islam, but at least 4 witnesses of reputable character, should give testimony of the actual penetration of the sexual intercourse to convict him. You might ask, who has sexual intercourse in front of 4 witnesses? I can also ask you "how can you consider 4 men watching others' sexual intercourse, as reputable characters?".But, there is no question or denying that this is not a traditonal, customary, cultural or a kangaroo court, but a legal Islamic court, with legal Islamic judges and legal expert Islamic officials, in the muslim state of Bakori ( Nigeria), of the legal Government, democratically elected by the Muslim citizens of this state. These are the undeniable authentic facts, which no amount of words or actions can ever repudiate.
Hear the deafening silence of the 1 billion muslims worldwide, who are in a vigorous fit of inactivity, calmly pretending not to know. But, the balance 5/6th of the world, (1.5 billion Christians, 1.1 billion Taoists, 1 billion Hindus, 700 million Bhuddists and others) can do something to stop this barbarism of the middle-east."
This is JUSTICE, by order of that so-called "perfect" man and "perfect" human being, the so-called prophet Muhammad.
The more they destroy themselves, the less time they have to bother us infidel dogs.
Have at it, MacMohammad! And damned be him who first cries, hold enough!
Chaos in Islam means peace in Dar-el-Harb -(the land of war/AKA- infidelworld)- as in Pipe Up About Islam!.
We need to find a videotape with stereo sound of an actual stoning and force the Kerrys, Clintons (both of 'em), Murthas, Sheehans, and all the other apologists to watch it until one of them actually vomits. Then make them watch it four more times with slow motion replay.
Caroline, Not only does Islam not recognize DNA evidence in particular, but forensic science is unknown. Our Western ideas of evidence does not exist in Islam. We should call it Dar-Al-Imbeciles.
Some time ago, I read an opinion on either Ask the Imam or else it was Islam Online where the Imam stated that DNA was not conclusive evidence of who may have fathered a child, he stated that it was circimstantial.
Caroline, I am about to begin my 60th year on this planet, and during the last five years I have learned more about Mohammedanism than I ever, ever wanted to know. The trouble is, every day I hear from people who do still think that Islam was hijacked by somebody. Unbelievable!!!
from 2002, Saudi Ambassador to London Ghazi Al-Qusaibi.
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP38902
“Flogging, Stoning, and Amputations Are in Muslim Eyes "The Core of the Islamic Faith"
"On the other hand… democracy in Britain can do what it wants. In law school, we learned that the English Parliament can do anything except make a male into a female and a female into a male. Now it can do that too. In contrast, according to the Islamic view, no one – the nation cannot, 1,200,000,000 Muslims cannot –make the forbidden permissible and cannot make the permissible forbidden. [In Islam] punishments have been set, and no matter what we say, the West will see them as barbaric and primitive. According to the Western view, flogging is illogical. Execution is unacceptable, and the same goes for amputating hands and stoning. These are things that in Muslim eyes are at the core of the Islamic faith."
"For this reason, there is a genuine cultural gap that cannot be bridged by hiring the services of a PR company – but only by West and East respecting each others' culture. If we say that Western culture is preposterous, and that it is a wicked and inferior culture, and if they say, your culture is primitive - we will get no results. I maintain that the mature position is to accept the Westerners with their culture, and for them to accept us with ours…"
Sure, let’s all hold hands and sing kumbaya.
A more clear proof than DNA is pregnancy. In spite of this, the pregnancy is not the core ground for conviction. At most, it will be an indication of the crime committed. This will then lead to the criminal and force him to confess.
According to the Shari’ah, four eye witnesses or confession are core grounds for conviction. Accordingly, a DNA will have no reason to deny once the DNA is proven against him. However, DNA itself is not a core Shar’ee ground for conviction.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
jingoist asks: "I wonder where the Amnest Internation folks or the peacenics are?
I wonder where the aclu is?"
A more interesting question is: Where are the feminists? Yes, the National Organization for Women and all the Hollywood feminists and all the pro-choice activists. (Doesn't "pro-choice" include a woman's right to choose her lovers without being executed for it?)
The Western feminists have washed their hands of the oppression of women in the Third World. That happened when they embraced multiculturalism to form a coalition with peaceniks and with minority rights activists. It wouldn't surprise me to find the National Organization for Women allied with CAIR by now.
Pelayo writes: "We need to find a videotape with stereo sound of an actual stoning and force the Kerrys, Clintons (both of 'em), Murthas, Sheehans, and all the other apologists to watch it until one of them actually vomits."
Here you are. Too bad the American TV networks won't show this:
http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/
But it won't help. The Clintons, the Sheehans, the Noam Chomskys, have an inexhaustible supply of excuses and tu quoque sophistries. They will instantly tell you that what the U.S. did in Vietnam was worse, and change the subject to Vietnam like they always do:
nice.
now, about Iran. The following is from
http://www.geostrategy-direct.com/geostrategy%2Ddirect/
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Apocalyptic signals from Iran worry U.S. intelligence
The European Union and the United States demanded that Iran reply to the Western incentive package of nuclear technology, fuel and aircraft by June 29. But Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said Teheran would submit an answer by Aug. 22. The U.S. intelligence community has been trying to figure out why Ahmadinejad chose that date. Sources said the community was stumped until some Islam experts translated the Gregorian date to that of the Muslim calendar.
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can anyhow give further details? the rest of the article is unavailable.
re:Steven-"A more interesting question is: Where are the feminists?The Western feminists have washed their hands of the oppression of women in the Third World."
As you said, the problem lies with mulitculturalism. It is often considered "racist" to criticize practices done by non-whites in 3rd world countries or anywhere. This extends to Islam, which is mainly praciticed by non-whites and is non-christian. However, it's not only ok but encouraged to criticize whites and christianity. The thing is, racism trumps sexism. That is why NOW or western feminists don't do much in the way of criticizing like they should. You can bet if white Methodists or Baptists were doing this(stoning people etc) you'd here it constantly on every news channel and NOW etc would be actively fighting it. Perceived racism trumps sexism like I said.
Steven L - I followed your link to the stoning video and came across this statement at the site:
"What makes this hideous crime even more abhorrent is that it is carried out under the name of Islam. The Quran and the Prophet of Islam despised such behavior. On the contrary, in the Quran and the Prophet's traditions, such barbarism is denounced. The Prophet did his utmost to eradicate backward traditions, including stoning, which victimized women. "
So being curious about that statement, I googled a bit and came across this site:
http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Stoning3.htm
which says that the Koran does not condone stoning (al-rajm) and this punishment is much debated in Islamic jurisprudence and that it is largely attributed, through the hadith, to a supposedly 'missing verse' from the Koran, and that this interpretation of a missing verse dates to "Umar".
If this is true, then presumably we can expect very loud voices of opposition to this punishment coming from the Muslim world itself, explaining why this is unislamic.
In the meantime, if Mr Spencer has any light to shed here (in a simple language for the rest of us non-scholars) re this debate about the missing verse and the Islamic or nonIslamic origins of stoning, it would be much appreciated. Because if if there really IS a strong case to be made that "rajm" is unIslamic - then Mr Spencer's erudition in the matter could possibly help to save the woman's life.
Or is this claim (which I've seen at several sites) that stoning is unislamic a total canard along the lines that jihad primarily means an "inner spiritual struggle"?
Inquiring minds want to know..
Caroline writes,"If this is true, then presumably we can expect very loud voices of opposition to this punishment coming from the Muslim world itself, explaining why this is unislamic."
I haven't figured out yet why the Sunnis don't just claim that all of Shi'a Iran is unIslamic.
Steven L.-
The Sunnis tried it- with a much smaller bunch of Shi'ites- circa 690 A.D.
The Shi'ites said the same thing back at them.
And it's been holy war ever since.
(With both killing kaffirs for fun and profit to support their internecine schismic murder sprees.)