The long-overdue defensive action against Hizballah continues. "Israel strikes Beirut suburb," from Reuters:
BEIRUT (Reuters) - Israeli jets destroyed roads and junctions in Hizbollah's southern Beirut stronghold on Friday hours after Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ordered a more intense response to the group's capture of two Israeli soldiers.Three people were killed and 20 wounded in the pre-dawn raids on the Shi'ite Muslim suburb, security sources said. Shops and buildings were damaged and dozens of cars wrecked in the district, home to hundreds of thousands of people.
A series of similar strikes forced the closure of a highway linking Beirut to Damascus and set a fuel storage facility at the Jiyyeh power plant outside the city ablaze.
Israel's decision to ramp up the attacks came at a meeting of security chiefs after a day in which Israel blockaded Lebanese ports, struck Beirut airport and two military airbases near Syria, and attacked bridges and houses in the south.
The attacks virtually isolated Lebanon by air, sea and land.
THANK GOD,Israel is not india!
God Bless (Blessssssssss)Israel!!!
The Israelis may be trying to smash Hezbollah once and for all: one possible explanation for the timing is the rocket which hit Haifa - the increasing range of these missiles makes it more and more difficult for Israel simply to sit inside its border defences, especially those with Lebanon.
When you have no economy, culture, art, literature, civilization, you have time to plot. You have all the time in the world to plan attacks and calculate reponses. The Iranians through there proxys have planned out the steps. Kidnap and attack Israel. Israel bombs back, but Iran knows the US will warn caution. Iran will use this thesis of 150,000 American GI's in Iraq as a weapon. So, the calculation is that Israeli's response(s) will be 'measured.' Like a chess master, the Iranians are thinking many moves ahead. Humiliate Israel and by poxy the US will only add fuel to the Iraq inferno. What can go wrong with this game? The US may stay out of it. Israel may disconnect their Washington phone lines, and attack Lebanon and Syria with force. Israel may invade and wipe out as many rockets as it can find. The Jihadist calculation is that Israel will be forced to act with restrain. But there is danger from Israel's point of view--and--I would argue--from the US perspective as well. From the Jihadi perspective, should Lebanon begin to show hatred toward the Shia terrorists(we are seeing signs of this from the Lebanese Christains): this to would check the Iranian grand game. Of course, the central plot is to create havoc in the middle east, diverting attention from their bomb project. This part is working. But the restraint thesis could be thrown to the lions. There is no outcry for Israel to show restraint in the US. Christians are rallying to Israel's cause. I may have been to quick to impugn Olmert. Despite his flaws, he appears to be rising to the challenge. Hitting the Shia strongholds in Beirut was a needed 'red line' to cross.
The big picture: despite withdraw from Gaza and Southern Lebanon, it was precisely from these regions that the kidnapping of the IDF occured. The blind hate against Israel has zero nationalistic aspirations; only Jihad. There is no difference between the recent attacks on Israel than the attacks on Armenians, or French Jews, or Pakistani Christians, or Copts, or genocide in Darfur, or 911, or the attacks on the marines so many moons ago in Beiruit, or the embassy attacks during Clinton's reign, or the Cole, or the blood drenched train stations in London, Bombay or Spain, or the rape of Christians in Eurabia, or the exodus of Sepharic Jews from the Arab world, or the show trials of Iranian Jews, or the fear to show cartoons lampooning the big M, or the destruction of Churches in Turkey or Kosovo. All were inspired by Allah. All were inspired by faith in the Koran. The difference: Israel has guns to fight back, and, for the most part, Israel at her heart knows what's in store for her if defeated.
Indians or Albanian Christians or Armenians could try to dispute this linkage, but in the end, we are all linked by virtue of being Jihadi targets.
Indian opinion will change. Give it time. All those Indians who so ostentatiously deplore about "communalism" (a code-word among the supposedly advanced Hindus or Sikhs in India, used to denigrate other Hindus and Sikhs who, in their supposed primitiveness, regard Islam with fear and Muslims with distrust, which anyone who looks at the history of Islam in India or around the world should certainly be doing), are going to discover that in the outside world, things have been moving, and many in the West, of the right sort (as, say, Amartya Sen might see them) have bothered to find out about Islam, and even in some cases about the real history of Islamic conquest of India and what this meant for its indigenous Hindu population (mass murder, mass forced conversion). Those "Indian intellectuals" who used to deplore "communalism" will now find, to their mental unsettlement, that such deploring will no longer be met with coos of approval, but rather they will be seen as part of the problem exhibited by other Infidels who may be described, though one would prefer not to use such a term, as self-dhimmified -- that is, exhibiting many of the attitudes and behaviors observable in non-Muslims subjugated to Muslim rule, Muslim conquerors.
India's problems could once be seen as India's alone. But each new attack by Muslims, anywhere inthe world, is like one more dot being connected in the minds of Muslims. The picture is becoming clear -- many could make it out long ago, others need a few more dots yet to finally recognize what it is that is being depicted.
On Thursday, Israel dropped leaflets across Lebanon, warning the citizens to keep away from Hizbollah owned installations.
Too bad the Islamists didn't offer the same courtesy to the evening commuters in Mumbai, India yesterday.
This is yet another display of the Jew's moral superiority over Hizbollah who launches rockets into civilian areas to kill innocents indiscriminately.
Let's check in on the Gaza Strip.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/gaza_strip_may_2005.jpg
Greenhouses? Nope.
Living hell hole? Check.
"When you have no economy, culture, art, literature, civilization, you have time to plot".
Precisely Biorabbi.Now that is "Arab achievement".
There are no "moderates" or "normal" among those desensitized bestial savages.The world can have peace only when all of them perish.Their goal is to enter their virgin or raisin filled "heaven".
So why flinch and recoil when we facilitate their entry?
Hugh
First of all I have to comment that you are remarkably well read, and your posts about India encompass information (for example dawood & bhendi bazaar) that not many people would be aware of.
Secondly with regard to your comments, I agree with your comment that with a strengthening opinion against islam in the west, more breathing space can be created on a larger socio-political scale in India against the lies that Islam propagates. The real problems behind Islam can be exposed and opinions will change.
But as of now, as you put it..."others need a few more dots yet to finally recognize what it is that is being depicted."...a lot more dots it seems.
With to regard to Israel, I have always admired Israelis, and I can tell you many Indians do. India has good commercial and business dealings with Tel Aviv. It is a pity that the same "political Intellectuals" that Hugh mentions, control our foreign policy and prevent it from taking a more pro-Isreal stance. But have no doubt about our support for you.WE ARE WITH YOU.
God bless you Israel
for a free world
the hindu
Since the Taif agreement didn't end with Hizbullah disarming, it's upto Israel to complete this disarmament of all Lebanese militias. It's probably worth overthrowing the Lebanese government as well, and installing Sameer Gaegae as president.
Hugh & Crows&Cows
I wonder how many Indians would privately reveal what they really think about Muslims, if they had an idea that they wouldn't be thought of as primaveral fanatics
Crows&Cows
Agree with you. Pakis & Bangladeshis are gloating, and India will do nothing about them
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1748774.cms
I understand not attacking Pakistan - they have nukes. But not attacking Bangladesh - the biggest losers on earth - that's saying something.
Infidel Pride,
There was panic in the paki govt. when a rumour went out that the Black Cats along with U.S. and Israelis commandos are going to secure it nukes. It was denied, of course. It was during the Vajpayee government.
Point is, nukes or not, pak has to be tackled. Procrastination will only delay the inevitable. Nothing else.
Arjun
I don't disagree, but not taking on Bangladesh, which is now a terror haven against India, is assinine. Just carpet bomb that country to pulp, and make sure that there is a 50-mile no mans land into their borders.
India with its wonderfull film, intellect, culture, military is a success--like Israel--despite living in an unforgiving neighborhood littered with Jihadist scum. Not to stereotype, but I've never met a HIndu who was not of a top flight intellect with warm souls. The world puts Israel under the microscope. For better or worse, Jews are news. I resent it. But I also resent many other aspects about our world press . . . is that the fourth or fifth estate? I forget. What about 200 dead Hindus; their lives snuffed out by Islam. And for what? For going to work in the first class compartment of the wrong train at the wrong time? Snuffed out for working, contributing to society, supporting their families, just trying to get by in a cold world? For this, they are killed; murdered in cold blood. And the world forgets. Front page news for 24 hours. The Armenians never even got their "fifteen minutes." 1.5 million dead; murdered by Muslim Turks. For being businessmen, family men, worshiping Jesus, believing in the good will of men, taking pleasure in reading the Sermon on the Mount. Was it Jihad? or jealousy of a better way? or a little of both? Does it matter to anyone that 1.5 million Armenians were raped, heads chopped off? Is there any angst among the Turks today about their sordid past? Or is there any agnst for those millions of dead Hindus? Where is CNN breaking news when yet another Turkish Priest is knifed in the gut, when a Copt in Egypt is "converted," or worse? Where is the BBC when yet another Church is destroyed in Albania? We are all Hindu. We are all Israeli. We are all Christians. We are all of skeptical minds. We are all of good will towards man. We will face the hordes divided, or we will face the hordes united, but, one way or another, we will all face the hordes.
Arjun and InfidelPride,
Absolutely.I wonder how many Hindus are really as aware of what islam stands for as our friends posting here.
India might complacently purr "it is the largest democracy" but for Hindus like me,it is Pinochet's regime.It is so full of power hungry corrupt traitors......khanistan not Hindusthan.
Biorabbi,
We will face them united.
Cows&Crows
Until the entire India becomes a Gujarat or a at least a Punjab, there's little hope.
Biorabbi
They are taking on us united. Whether we unite against them, or individually defeat them, doesn't matter. Point remains - they can't be allowed to win anywhere. While divisions among them should be encouraged, they do need to be confronted wherever possible.
Unfortunately, political parties that showed such acumen when dealing with the Nazis or the Communists, are everywhere failing us as a result of the mis-conception that Islam is a religion. As a result, it's left to totalitarian parties like the Shiv Sena in Mumbai, Meir Kahane in Israel, BNP in the UK,... to take on Islam. These days, I find myself rooting for totalitarianism over democracy, since the latter necessarily incorporates Islamic opinion, and there isn't an offsetting anti-Islamic opinion bloc anywhere that's there to be automatically lost once Islam is endorsed.
Hence the mess we're all in
sorry, should have spelt you crows&cows
"We are all of good will towards man. We will face the hordes divided, or we will face the hordes united, but, one way or another, we will all face the hordes".
Rightly said,Biorabbi.
Infidel Pride,
I think totalitarianism is the right word. We used to shirk from these people, but only these people see the problem for what it is. And these people see the solution that is pretty binary in nature. In spite of what I am, and the feelings I have for muslims, sometimes I pause to ask myself, am I right ?
Hezbolah holds an estimated 15000 missiles hidden somewhere in Libanon. If IDF finds them, please send them back -by air- to Damascus. They should have the reach.
All I can say about Israel is "It's about time!" and "Hooray!".
And speaking of India ...they've been abused by Islamic people for over 1000 years. Now go tell yourself that it's the fault of western society or the USA that Islam is rising up everywhere and killing people... yuh huh! I got another fairy tail for you if you liked that one...
Joe Bob
Crows&Cows,thehindu, and everyone else, all who have been reading over the months this website will come to the conclusion that all "non-muslims have unite to fight this scurge of mankind which follows islam.
l understand that there are muslims who are good people, but as long as they follow blindly this death cult they will be susceptible to its violence.
many are dismayed as l get as well at our leaders who act with such dhimmitude, we long for the truth to come out. the truth is coming out slowly with the help of the internet. each one of us educates and informs other people. l was so proud that the Canadian Prime minister "Harper" told reporters last night on the way to the G meetings that Israel has a right to defend herself. a year ago, l would of been ashamed of our then PM Martin would of blurted out like the Fr.Chirac. Even regular people in Europe understand the danger of islam, word is getting out.
Lulu,
Agree with you. People are seeing islam for what it is. But it is not the MSM that is bringing about this change. The MSM is completely dhimmi.
biorabbi, yes we all stand united. The vast majority of Indians have not forgotten history, or history repeating itself daily, even as we speak.
Arjun, you are right!
Crows&Cows and Infidel Pride, I have seen bangladeshi business establishments, decked out with Indian and US flags, and the posters of various Indian dieties, but on Fridays, they are all at the mosque listening to the screaming mullah.They are sick. Time to put them out of their misery.
Arjun
I posted a story in the last Indian thread - Al Qaeda surfaces in Kashmir, on how in Surat, there's now a backlash. Here it is again
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1748563.cms
Also, I'm suddenly noticing a whole bunch of new Indian posters here. Is it a co-incidence - how did yesterday's bombings get so many to discover J/W? Or are they all just formerly readers/lurkers who took the plunge?
Infidel Pride, Thanks to JW for all the "readers/lurkers" who are taking the "plunge", one step at a time. But we are gathering!!!
Infidel Pride ,
just read the link. Very interesting about the muslim areas being referred to as "sensitive". Should be sense-less. All mosques should be shut down. Let's see what they do then.
Back on topic - new Jerusalem Post news flash:
IAF strikes main Hizbullah headquarters in Beirut
Infidel Pride,
I suspect the latter. They just plunged. Yes I noticed a change in environment in my city too. The mosques have turned the volume way down, and for the past two days I have seen very few skull caps and beards. They have just holed up. Also, there have been no condemnations of the blasts by muslims. Not in my city, not by the head thug of jama masjid in New Delhi. (Do they have a head thug in the U.S.A., too ? Is he based in Washington?).
Way to go, Israel!!!
arjun.sevak, you need to pass a city ordinance to stop them from using their call to prayers, that it has to be so low, no one will hear it.. dont muslims have watches.. also l just read the timesindia, they say "sentivie areas" when refering to mosques and muslims. how pathetic,,muslims must need to worry and keep looking over their shoulders in India and elsewhere.
Americaningermany
The record of the police in India is mixed. In some places, they are Dhimmi, but in Gujarat - the state where the story I posted took place, they typically let the Hindus do what's needed. As you may have noticed in the cited article
I lived in Gujarat for 6 months in 1991, and while I was there, I never came across a single person who didn't hate Muslims. This is one place in India where hatred of Muslims is so universal that none of the other divisions that normally haunt Hindus, such as caste, come into play here, since no caste wants to make alliances with the Muslims.Arjun
As for the lack of condemnation, knowing what I know today about taqiyya, which I didn't know before this year, I'm actually glad that no Mullah has come out with these taqiyya statements - that would be even more galling than the blasts themselves.
I love it how Wikipedia decided to use the term "captured" instead of "kidnapped" with regards to the soldiers who were taken.
Assalamau-Laikum all,
You all know that I have little time for Hizbollox and Hamas (H&H). But this action by Israel may be a step too far.
For the most part it is the innocent peoples of Beirut (the Paris of the ME) who are & will suffer. They have spent the last 15 years to try & catch up into the real world. Petrol, electricity plant damage….how is this defeating H&H. The peoples of Beiruit don’t deserve this, equally the other muslilm counties also understand why Iran wants to arm to the teeth.
Israel can never defeat H&H, you know that and I know that. They may bash a few camps, kill a few of their “soldiers” and make them weak for a year or so. To really defeat them they need to occupy house by house and completely level certain areas….and this will not be done. Israel will not want an “iraq” of Beurit .
If Israel say they have left certain parts …then why do they keep coming back…stay away & keep your soldiers safe from kidnapping.
Increasingly everybody is now playing the bigger game with the innocents.
As to the problems with India….the hindu will need to get the bottle together to attack Pak and/or Bangladesh eventually…but it is not in their mindset…they can face complex mathematical equations but not the sword…and they need to change that if they want to survive, but history shows that they may not be up to it?
My father in law when he was alive used to tell me stories of the partition…of how easy it was to get (especially) the hindu womens to change to Islam.
If during skirmishes/raids a hindu woman was kidnapped (I am making no excuses for this disgusting behaviour of the muslim) …even when they know where she was …nothing would be done.
The mentality of the abducted woman was that if she had one meal from a muslim home …her dharam was corrupted…she could no longer go back. Knowing this other muslim womens would gather round her with food and say “arrry khalay naaa” (come on dear ..eat up). After a day or two, survival would kick in and she would eat the food with tears in her eyes, and the muslim knew she was there to stay.
The more hardy womens would eat but still not believe she was in Islam. For them the abductors would call her by a muslim name (e.g. Naseemah) and have a tattoo of that name etched on both arms so that she could” adjust” to Islam with that constant reminder..which would not wash off and so she could never go back…handcuffed by a tattoo...given time she embraced Islam too.
The hardiest of the abducted womens would ofcourse jump in the well at the earliest opportunity and pay the ultimate price…and you have to salute their courage for not submitting.
Now the family of abducted hindu womens had the strangest mentaility. “Even if we get her back…who will marry her now….she is gone ….it is better that we forget that we ever had a daughter”.
I mean self defeating or what…please let me be blunt “those sunnis are gonna get inside your daughter”….how can you just leave her.
That kind of mentality needs to change…Liskar now has seen that it can attack with impunity and remain safe in Pak…..where is the pressure from India to dismantle those camps…they have the evidence of the camps …show it to the media….get everybody on your side....but it won't be done.
We are sick of groups like LeT too within Pak. The government lets them survive because they don’t want to be attacked themselves.
I agree with IP that terrorist camps in Pak need to be tackled sometime & somehow, but it is going to require resolve and courage...but does India have it?
If Israel say they have left certain parts …then why do they keep coming back…stay away & keep your soldiers safe from kidnapping.
They were kidnapped within Israel's borders.
If the Muslims started using the oil weapon, it would be easy to kill them all and just take the oil, if all of the West would do it. Unfortunately, the EU would just talk about interfaith dialogue and diplomacy and the US would have to do it alone, and I don't know if they'd succeed. Well, maybe a few countries would help the US, like Australia, but I doubt the EU would do anything...
I wasn't discussing Pakistan at all - I actually believe that one day, the US will be forced to enter a war with Pakistan (Musharraf ain't immortal), and send a number of ICBM's across the globe in order to neutralize Pak nukes. With nukes on both sides, it's grown beyond India. But the civil war in Pakistan between the MMA/Taliban/al Qaeda coalition vs Musharraf is fun to watch.
I was talking about Bangladesh - how we need to carpet bomb Dhaka, and establish a 50-mile no-mans land into Bangladesh.
P.S. Your father-in-law is not the last word on Hindu-girls-abducted-by-Muslims. Btw, what again was your objection to the Milpitas Pakistani woman who married a Hindu and converted (she may even have become pregnant later and given birth to infidels)? ;->
Kidnapping Israeli soldiers, kidnapping Hindu women? What is it with this psychopathic religion?
Is J/W having an open day for trolls or something?
Open season would be more like it. We get a flood of trolls, then J/W goes down, and this here troll tries his taqqiya on us.
Naseems do you ever listen to what you say? you condonne the kidnapping of women, is that how your ancestors were cowed into submission. l would rather starve or better yet kill my kidnappers than bear them monsters or work for them. Naseem you are not dealing with illerate people, but a free people who understand the evil cult you are so brainwashed. you say Israel has gone too far, you have it the other way around, not far enough. l dont know of any country that has bent over backwards to accomodate killers of islam. Naseem the non-muslim world is waking up, does not matter what you muslims prattle on, the beginining of the end of islam is near.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19779301-7583,00.html
The ultimate threat, though, isn't Hezbollah or Hamas, but Iran. And as Iran draws closer to nuclear capability, an Israeli-Iranian showdown becomes increasingly likely.
According to a very senior military source, Israel is still hoping that an international effort will stop a nuclear Iran. If that fails, then Israel is hoping for a US attack. But if the Bush administration is too weakened to take on Iran, then, as a last resort, Israel will have to act unilaterally.
For Israelis, that is the worst scenario of all. Except, of course, the scenario of nuclear weapons in the hands of the patron state of Hezbollah and Hamas.
William, if the muslims get too cocky with the price of oil, we can take it from them like taking candy from a baby. Which is what I advocate. Since they use the money for illicit purposes, they forfeit any right to continue to control it.
Nor is it a weapon that they can really use to any great extent. The muslims have no real power. All they have is whatever power we allow them to have. It otherwords, we humor them. When our humor runs out, their "power" runs out.
The muslims are weak because they are backward. 1.2 billion of them almost all of them squat in their own fecal matter. The only ones with money, have it because we give it to them for oil which we could just as easily take as our own - if they piss us off just a little too much. Which is exactly what is starting to happen.
from above,
To really defeat them they need to occupy house by house and completely level certain areas….and this will not be done.
Wanna bet??
somethingaboutislam,
muslims can dish it out better than they can take it. Just a little skirmish with Israel and all the muslim nations are howling protests. After the bomb blasts of Mumbai, most of the mosques in India have turned their volumes way down, they are afraid of retaliations. Once we weaken, they will be back to their old ways again.
William Wallace Ellerslie
I would also like to see some genuine comments based on what people predict Muslims will do if the Muslims nations (Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and others) are attacked simultaneously by all directions? I reckon the Muslims will agree to erase the boarders which divide them and make one united Muslim force fighting for their freedom. If this ever happens then the British “divide and conquer” strategy which worked wonders up till this day will back fire and then Ottoman Empire like nation may rise. Then the real clash will begin.
Nice to see you back troll.
Lets just run through a few scenarios I personally think that Israel has a limited objective, and that is to eliminate that nest of vermin in the Beaka valley, and destroy all the Rocket sites, the problem here is that they have to secure there right flank. That depends on how Syria reacts, there are reports as yet unconfirmed that Syria is mobilising behind the Golan heights It is it like poker is it bluff or is it for real. Israel is certainly not going to back down and if Syria doesn't, then the war will expand to Syria. What Syria does is going to be determined by what support the get from Iran and if they are able to deliver. All we have heard from Iran is is a lot of virulent promises to wipe Israel off the map can they put there money where there mouth is, can they stiffen the Syrian with the threat of a real global Armageddon. Let us consider that they can then what. Israel cannot back down If they withdraw into there own boarders with there tail between there legs, the same old cycle starts again, Israel will once again subject to rocket attacks, and commando like incursions. Israel will have to go in and do it again under less propitious circumstances. If Syria does not back down Israel will destroy the Syrian armed forces has they have done so in the last few engagements between the two lands. They will do it in exactly the same way eliminate the air force the communications system and destroy the armour, end of Syria as a force to be recoded with. Syria is out of the Poker game and Israel has raised the pot all that is left is Iran and Israel in the game. Your move Iran. This is the real question does Iran back down. If it does Israel win. If it doesn't what happens. Well one of the most likely scenario is that Iran fires off one of its so called ICBM. If that does happen then for most of us the only question will be if we are supple enough to get our heads between our legs to kiss our anal orifice goodbye. It wont make a blind bit of difference if the missile hits Israel or not, Israel will retaliate with overwhelming force, there survival is at stake and they are intent on surviving. How does Israel retaliate. It is a well know fact that Israel has between 200-300 nuclear war heads, they have had them for nearly 40 years so that will have certainly refined them and reduced there size. What means have they of delivering them. They have launched a satellite so they certainly, so they can certainly retaliate with a ballistic missile, they have three ultra quiet Dolphin submarines with enlarged torpedo tube capable of launching cruise missiles, and it is almost certain that there air force has the ability to launch stand off nuclear missiles. My guess is that if Iran does step over the line and nukes or tries to nuke Israel that Israel will retaliate by making M and M Mecca and Medina melt into the desert not in the hand. They will destroy the Aswan dam which will which will literally destroy Egypt Damascus will glow and most of the theocracy in Iran will be waiting in line to pick up there blow up dolls foot pump not included. If Iran tries it on with America by blowing up a nuclear suitcase bomb in one or more of there major cities same scenario except the bombing pattern might be a little different What if Iran tried it on Europe by exploding a suitcase bomb say in Brussels Paris or London same scenario different bombing pattern only this time it would be done either by the British or the French or both. France re targeted there submarine ballistic missiles a couple of years ago and guess where they are targeted An attack on America would of cause be the most damaging to what would be left of the Islamic world. For all there bragging and the use of the oil weapon most Muslims forget that out of all the Muslim countries,I think that there are 157 not one can properly feed itself. Most of the worlds food reserves are in the West. Europe can feed itself. Does anyone think that America Canada Australia Argentina or Europe will send there surplus food to any Islamic state. It is also forgotten that most of the money that the oil rich countries have earned from there oil is invested in the west, you can bet your life that these would be confiscated to pay for any damage. No money no food overpopulation I let you work it out for yourself. What ever happens Islam would receive its death blow. How can any muslim believe that Allah is only true God, when he can't defend Mecca, it would concentrate the Muslim mind most wondrously especially if there was an empty belly accompanying the thoughts. By the way you threat of a United Islam is nothing more than the deranged thoughts of a dead sheep. Lets hope that Iran gets there collective head out of the well.
Holger - there was a time when I would have cringed at what you describe. But here's the thing. When Islam hit the US on 9/11 and when ordinary peace-loving liberals like myself came to understand (after learning about Islam) that our not-so-innocent (according to Islam) lives could be snuffed out at a moment's notice by jihadis (with the ummah's tacit support) at any moment - ALL OF US got placed on the front lines of a global war. Now that any infidel, no matter who he is around the world, just quietly minding his own business - going to work and feeding his family and loving his children - realizes that he's a fair target for extermination, coming out of the blue at any time - it makes one care just a bit less that some Muslim civilian on the other side of the world happens to find himself in the same position - never knowing when a reign of terror is going to strike him and HIS family, even if he's just quietly minding his own business - going to work and feeding his family and loving his children. Islam hardens EVERY human being it comes in contact with.
WWE - then why do you remain a Muslim? By their fruits ye shall know them (the false prophets) - remember? The fruits of Islam are the hardening of hearts and souls. First it hardens the hearts of the believers. Then it hardens the hearts of every infidel who is unfortunate enough to come into contact with the hardened hearts of the believers. Islam grows rotten, hardened fruit. The very mark of a false prophet.
WWE- I've followed your posts for some time under your various shifting monikers. The dead giveaway is that you endorse women being stoned to death for adultery:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012122.php#c239957
Only a Muslim could possibly endorse something like that. It was your kiss of death under your supposed western, infidel British moniker, "William Wallace Ellerslie" at this site.
Of course now that you've been called out you can do what you always do - change your moniker and have another try at fooling the posters here.
Good luck.
Dear Caroline,
I couldn't agree with you more, the antics that they get up too is enough to harden anybody heart. The problem is that it has the opposite effect on Muslims, it softens the brain. It has a technical name, it is similar to Mad cow disease, Mad Mullah disease is the nearest I can come to describe it, by the way don't reply to WWE he is a troll and only doing it to bait you into replying . In fact his posts are a good description of the symptoms. Naseem is the same, they show a total lack of reality.
americaningermany he most likely means scallywag which means rogue scamp disreputable person, so I presume he is talking about himself let him be and save you scathing Baptist contempt for more useful targets.
Holger and aig (btw aig - don't change your moniker from americaningermany to aig - just consider the latter an affectionate nickname from the posters here)-
I think that Archimedes (I'm pretty sure it was Archimedes) was dead-on here recently when he suggested that Muslim arrogance would be their undoing. Sure this has gone on for 1400 years. But just google any photo of any infidel anywhere in the world - the US included - a mere 100 years ago - circa 1900. It was a one-room schoolhouse world. No way of sharing information across cultures.
Have Muslims managed to make an impressive use of 21st century technology in a short period of time to galvanize recruits around the world? Yes, of course they have. And it figures, given their warped Islamic world view that they would try to milk western communication technology for all its worth in order to destroy the very cultures that managed to produce that technology - but by now, of course, most of us are quite used to that perverted way of thinking.
Naseem, BTW included. Naseem was educated in the west. Her son is in school in Britain (until recently when he apparently returned home to mind the fort after Naseem's husband's death). Yet Naseem relentlessly bangs the drum at this site for the virtues of Islam taking over the west, which, were it to happen as she imagines, there would be no western schools of education for Naseem and her son to attend, that have clearly provided her the very advantages she has in Pakistan.
Coming back on point though, yes, it is true that the infidels have been taken by storm not only by Islam but also by its prescience in rapid use of our infidel technologies to take advantage of its cause.
But it is ignoring the fact that infidels (who invented this technology in the first place) are rapidly getting up to speed.
There is no way in hell, given that fact, that Islam can manage to reproduce what it accomplished in the 1300 previous years when infidels were largely uneducated and illiterate and isolated.
I strongly believe the game's up for Islam. Fact is that the infidels could make short shrift of this problem in no time using every weapon at its disposal - education, weaponry, expulsion, containment and so on.
It's a sheer matter of education and will on the part of the infidels. That dual force - Education/Will is a rapidly rising trajectory. The 21st century bears no relationship to the 1300 years preceding it.
Muslims are too arrogant to notice that fact. They look back at their history and marvel at the successes (in a largely preliterate world) and look in the short run to what Muslims have managed to accomplish (using infidel technology) in the short run to make some gains.
But as Archimedes pointed out - their arrogance will be their downfall.
Pride goeth before the fall.
I firmly believe that. Its merely a matter of enough infidels understanding what Islam has in store for them. At the very least we can count on Muslims overplaying their hand (due to pride) for the foreseeable future.
They mistake Christian humility for weakness.
I seriously believe they will find out how wrong they are about that.
Hey! - What happened to WWE's reply when he said he couldn't agree with me more? (between 9:21 and 9:36? )Who's ever deleting WWE's posts at this moment - I object! If you wanted to take him out you should have done so when he was advocating stoning women to death (or having our soldiers brutally tortured and murdered for that matter)!
Dear Caroline,
I am bound to agree that Muslim arogance is there weak point I will just quote a small bit from a article I wrote for another Blogg It concerns a traveling circus that is traveling round Britian at moment called 1001 Islamic Inventions. It is being subsidised by the British taxpayer and several Arab Banks and is nothing more that smoke and mirrors a nasty public relations stunt. 1001 Islamic inventions indeed and this is over 1300 years. Edison has over more than 2000 patents to his name and that in the space of 40 years this is what I wrote:-
Perhaps the most devastating indictment of Islam when it comes to scientific progress and discovery is a paper I read by Dr Farrukh Saleem where he states that all the Islamitic lands together, have had a grand total of 8 Nobel Laureates, of which only two were in the sciences, Ahmed Zewail (chemistry) and Abdus Salam (physics). The Jews on the other hand have had 167, as the Jews are outnumbered 100 to 1 it would mean that if the Jews were as numerous as the Muslims they would have won 16,700 Nobel Laureates and that is without the Laureates from the rest of the western world. I would not of course take this too seriously, the Nobel prize committee after they gave a peace prize to Arafat, have had a serious public relations problem and nobody takes them seriously anymore.
Now let us compare the 1001 inventions of Islam with the inventions of the west, just make a list. This is my list, just off the top of my head, stainless steel, ball bearings, airplanes, steam engine, the steam train, internal combustion engine, the transistor, Atomic energy, Portland cement, asphalt, refrigeration, the Radio, Steam ship, Modern Economics, electric motor, combine harvester, the computer, television, the list goes on and on and on and on and most them by a factor of ten more significance than the 1001 from Islam. The score now must be the west 1,000,000 islam 1.
You must of cause not forget the ones that they dis-invented, if I can use such a word, the wheel for instance. When the muslims conquered Egypt and destroyed the greatest library that ever existed, the library of Alexandria, so much for the muslims respect for learning, most of the transport was by carts over an extensive roman road network, over the next 1,000 years Islam reverted to the pack animal, ie. the camel, ( much less efficient). You would have thought that they could have invented at least a good camel cart, instead of the worlds first soft drink and the three course meal.
Deep regards
I strongly believe the game's up for Islam. Fact is that the infidels could make short shrift of this problem in no time using every weapon at its disposal - education, weaponry, expulsion, containment and so on.
Caroline, you're dead on. Islam's Kayamat (day of reckoning) is around the corner.
Good for Israel on this one. But I am afraid that they are merely reacting instinctively, tit-for-tat, rather than carrying out a well-thought out plan to truly destroy the military capabilities of Hamas and Hezbollah. Just as biorabbi described the plotting of the Iranians, the Israelis should have their own well-planned strategy.
Israel cannot simultaneously invade all of her neighbors to kill H & H at their source, 1968 notwithstanding. And they shouldn't have to solve the problem of jihad on their own. The U.S., U.K., India, Australia, and all the other victims of Islamic attacks should be joining forces to end this, for good. Ever the victim, I heard that the pro-jihadist blogs are all on about a Jewish-"Crusader"-Hindu conspiracy against Islam. They left off Buddhists, Zoroastors, animists, and atheists, who are all part of the conspiracy too. F**kers.
The worst part of this affair is the E.U. and Russian condemnation of Israel (!!!) for reacting to Hamas. Both should know better (Beslan and Madrid come to mind).
Frankly, the Lebanese people are, not, generally, supporters of Hezbollah nor the current Syrian-puppet regime in Beirut.
Check out a couple of Lebanese blogsites like http://www.free-lebanon.com/ and you'll see they bear this out:
GO ahead Ehud,
It’s time to get him [Nazrallah] and his group a ticket to visit Zarqawi.
The Middle East needs to rest after 20 years of terror, blackmail and US hesitations.
From Beirut to Somalia, The Khobar Tower, Tanzania, The USS Cole and 9/11,
Hezbollah and Al Qaida are two faces of the same coin, distributing roles
So many missed opportunities to defeat terror.
Hezbollah was not the problem, Washington’s politics was the problem.
SHOW TERRORISM HOW BUSINESS GETS DONE.
And Egyptian blogger Big Pharoah passed on the following titbit from his father, a general in the Egyptian Army in the '60s:
Dad Weighs In
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My dad was a general in the Egyptian army. His comments are always so informative especially if they were related to a war that broke out. He had this to say about Lebanon:
This idiot Nasrallah. He is so funny. He keeps on issuing threats, he has no idea what he is talking about. What Israel is doing to him now is just gentle padding on the shoulders. Abou Shakha dah didn't see what we saw. Israel fought on 3 fronts in 1967 and it was hell. I was there, I saw it all. He has no tanks, no boats, he has nothing except a few toys he got from Iran and it seems abu shakha dah don't know that Israel confronted 3 of the most powerful armies in the region at the same time. If Israel wanted to brutally crush him it can do so in 1 hour.
*Abu Shakha dah literally means "this guy with the piss". We use this slang term to refer to a grown up whose capabilities is of a baby who wets himself.