Lebanese PM: Bush Promised to Pressure Israel to Stop Attacks

Instead of trying to talk Bush into stopping Israel, this prime minister should be talking to Iran and the other muslim cronies to leave Israel alone.

We should let Israel do what it needs to do, they will stop when they're done.

Notice how the muslims whine and cry when they get what they deserve? Oh boo hoo.

I can't stand whiny muslim males.

I dont know why Bush SHOULD do that, but why DID he do that?

Until my President airs a statement, stating such a comment was made. I'll keep pushing for Israel to wipe them out.

before anyone jumps to conclusions, appearances are important, and so Bush will say what they want to hear. l cannot stand that, wished he would say to the Leb.president, clean up your country, and stop provoking and attacking Israel. at times l am disgusted with leaders who appear not to have any backbone. would Bush allow 'bin laden's men to attack and kidnap his soldiers from Mexico?

This is what Mr. Prez said.

"Bush to press Israel to spare civilians"

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4046683.html

But Bush's promise to Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora fell short of the Lebanese leader's request for pressure for a cease-fire, just 'limit' civilian casualties. Now carry on and wipe those Hizballah terrorists from the face of Lebanon...

note the word "urge" not to kill innocents, no one wants to kill innocents but the mo's. I think Israel has shown great restraint.

Why would this surprise anyone?

Bush won't even protect people in Texas being shot at by people in Mexico.

If he doesn't give a whit about protecting the country he was elected to protect, why would you expect him to protect Isreal?

Besides, Isreal has declared that they are a sovereign nation!

To a globalist like hor-hey, that is not exactly the music he wants to hear in his ears!

Bush said Israel has a right to self defense. In view of decades of rocket attacks, mines, ambushes, car bombs, assaults, and many other forms of clearly offensive actions it would seem Israel has to declare self defense and begin to attack to eliminate all the rockets,RPGs,AK47s, and all the evil thugs who use them to kill everyday.

Israel will be in the self defense mode for a while.

Bush should have qualified his reference to sparing civilians with the word "innocent".

That's how you play this game. Take a page out of the enemy's playbook. Turnabout.

Better than calling for restraint. Keep up the pressure Israel.

from above.

Bush won't even protect people in Texas being shot at by people in Mexico.

In case you missed the boat. The US military has been arriving along the Texas - Mexico border at the rate of 200-400 soldiers per week. THe president is beefing up border security in a military manner. By a slow build up of armed forces he hopes such a build up will see less likely to appear to be a "militarization of the border" to the Mexican Government. Of course, that is exactly what is happening. THe current expectation is that about 8,000-15,000 troops will be on the border. They will be armed and they have been instructed to watch for the Mexican military and Mexican police ,both of whom have been reported shooting at border patrol officers in pursuit of Mexicans crossing the borders. These troops will be armed and will have the usual air support that a military forward unit has. Rest assured the border incidents are acutely noticed by our government. Mexico risks unfriendly action if it continues to use its military/police to encourage border crossings. Maybe at some time in the future there could be another war between Mexico and the US. They lost the first one and they could lose the next.

I believe my President is trying to somewhat help the Christians in Lebanon. Therefor please try to kill only armed killers. But being the chicken shit murderer mo is he hides behind women and children. Unfortunally some innocents will die. All's fair in war.

And as far as the mexicans and their ileagles go. They've been slipping over our borders since the United States became a free country. America and its employers are responsible for their activity. I'm self employed in the building trades, I will not hire an illegal. Not now not ever.

OT but related: a little bit of stress relief concerning this week's events:

http://www.deviantart.com/view/36274843/

As for Bush: are we sure there was not a *wink, nudge* along with that handshake?

There is no way to know what was said in private between the US and Israel.

Bush never seemed all that inclined to pressure Hamas or Hizballah to stop their relentless assaults on Israeli civilians. It is only when Israel counters the jihad that he begins to urge restraint.

That's because he is a DHIMMI, and his old man is a DHIMMI.

In case you missed the boat. The US military has been arriving along the Texas - Mexico border at the rate of 200-400 soldiers per week.

And last night when they got automatic gunfire from across the Mexican border they stood there with their fingers up their rear ends and didn't do (explitive deleted) because they did not have orders to fire back.

I'm not sure which drug cartel "whore-hey" is taking bribes from, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were both; and the federalis included.

In an early era, traitors where hanged even if they held public office; and bandits like Pancho were hunted down and neutralized in the interest of public safety!

What I want to know is what happened to the proverbial 'little Jihad mouse that roared?' ROAR! Your daughters will be wearing hijabs. ROAR! Your flag will be replace with the crescent moon "swastika."

Israel pushes the bully back and all the muslims are like "Waaaah! I'm gonna tell my mommy (UN) on you."

Of course this is just another wonderful form of deceit in warfare brought to you by the diseased mind of muhammed the prophet of islam, the "Prince of War."

But they are quite pathetic to watch. I really haven't seen such behavior since the schoolyard.

"Bush never seemed all that inclined to pressure Hamas or Hizballah to stop their relentless assaults on Israeli civilians. It is only when Israel counters the jihad that he begins to urge restraint."

So true. For months the Israelis have been warning that the consequences of the attacks from Gaza were going to be very painful. Israel pulled out of the settlements (so that's not the issue. The issue is the very existance of Israel.) Meanwhile some commentators (radio-tv) accuse Israel of well planning the attacks (as if that's some kind of great insight). After months of being subjected to missle attacks from Gaza, after sending troops to the areas under attack (and having one soldier kidnapped), I should hope they did some careful planning in the months prior to the current retaliation.

Israel is a small part of a picture that includes Darfur, India, etc. The only difference is that Israel has the means to fight back. I'm sure the Africans in Darfur wish they had such means to stop the Arabs from exterminating them.

M. Begin, upon bombing the Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981 phoned whom? Did he call the American President? Europe first? I thinked he phoned Jerry Fallwell. This was not a shoot the breeze phone conversation. Begin expressed his fear of the American response(s) to Israel taking out Iraq's program(about a year to two years from their bomb). He was right. Bush Sr. led the attack faction to punish Israel(Scowcroft and Cap Weinberger were also in that faction) and Haig and others were in the Pro Israeli faction. Reagan's team had not been briefed by Carter about prior efforts to restrain the French in delivery of uranium to Iraq.

Is there a lesson in this? Yes. Israel should move as they see fit; dissmantling the Shia threat in Lebanon, attacking Gaza and also Iran. Should this occur, she will face great opposition. The BBC is soft or wishy-washy on the use of the word Dhimmi!!! Do you expect a fair and balanced perspective if Israel unleashes!

The Moral: Israel--should she be forced to attack--perhaps deep sixing Condi's diplomacy will lead to howls of protests--led by Zogby and ilk to punnish and restrain Israel. In this eventuality, Israel should meet and discuss the 'situation' with J. Fallwell and other key evangelical Christians, their tried and true friends. I don't think Bush would want to be in opposition to their entreaties. Thinking like this is what Israel needs; looking past the tit for tat.

Before you all go postal, consider the source Robert posted from. This is what Israeli sources are saying about the conversation -

(IsraelNN.com) American President George W. Bush told Lebanese Prime Minister Ehud Olmert Minister Fuad Saniora Friday he would urge Israel to limit damage in its attack on Hizbullah terrorists, but he rejected an appeal to work for a cease fire.

One assumes Bush uttered platitudes about wanting to limit damage. He's good at that. And if he expressed a hope that civilian casualties would be kept to a minimum, he would only have been stating what is obvious: that is exactly what the Israelis have been doing. And the targets they have selected are either in Hezbollah-held territory, or meant to lessen Hezbollah's ability to import and move weaponry around (those airports, those bridges), and also to pressure Hezbollah, seen correctly by the Christians, the Druse, and the Sunni Muslims as the source of the problem, to finally deal with Hezbollah as they should, collectively, have done long ago.

Anyone who sees the entire picture, whether sitting it Val di Colle d'Elsa, or in Paris, or in the offices of MI5 in London, or in Mumbai, or in Bangkok, and recognizes what is going on around the world, realizes or should realize that the Israelis are not to be chastised but rooted for, urged to keep going and not to stop, for what they are doing now to two of the entirely fungible, interchanageable Muslim terrorist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah, is at least as important as what the Americans did to Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, or whatever tiny benefit has accrued to Infidels from the removal of Saddam Hussein (no benefits have accrued to Infidels from that ongoing and expensive "Light-Unto-the-Muslim-Nations" business in Iraq).

There is a war. The war has gone on, with long intervals of non-war when the wherewithal was lacking, and the need unperceived, since the beginning of Islam. It is the war of Believers against Infidels. It can, but need not, proceed through qital, combat. Other weapons -- the "money weapon" and "pen, speech" and now the demographic weapon, are all available.

The war continues within lands controlled by Muslims whenever and wherever possible. Muslims control Bangladesh, but they still persecute, still drive out, still murder Hindus. Muslims control Indonesia, but they make war on Christians in the Moluccas, in Sulawesi. They make war, when they can, on Hindus, having driven Hinduism back to its sole redoubt of Bali. They make war, in Egypt, on the sole remaining Egyptians who have remained true to their pre-Islamic heritage (how many of those "Muslim Arabs" in Egypt are really the descendants of Copts forcibly converted, say, in the 12th or 13th centuries?).

And the war now is being waged, in forms less obvious to those who think of "war" as boots and bombs alone, all over the countries of Western Europe. It may not be obvious, because a war conducted through the inistruments of Da'wa and demographic conquest doesn't look like "war" even if the final goal is the same as that of the violent Jihad conducted, for long periods continuously, for long periods intermittently, over 1350 years. The hightest point of Muslim expansion was marked in the West by the defeat near Poitiers, then followed, as the tide of Islam receded, by the 500 years of the Reconquista in Spain. In the East, the high point was marked by the two attacks on Vienna, the last in 1683. But Muslims never ceased, when and where they could, to continue raiding parties up and down the coasts of Christian Europe, or on Christian shipping, until the military response of the Christian victims became too vigorous and effective, as happened in the early 1800s with the so-called Barbary Pirates.

Now the Israelis, who live in a state of maximum peril, and always will, have been forced, are being required, to inflict such damage as they can to force the enemy to not be quite so wrong-headed in its interpretation of the withdrawal from north and from south. And a sound defeat -- one that Israel keeps being prevented from achieving (the last time it did so was in 1948, when it received no military aid from outside, and the only thing that prevented the Jews of Israel from taking, as they could and should have, all of Western Palestine, was Ben Gurion's belief that, for practical nation-building reasons, it was best to stop where, and when, they did).

They should be encouraged and cheered.

And after that, every effort should be made to encourage them, as well, to come to their senses about the nature of the war against them, the need not merely to be more powerful than the enemy, but to be obviously so, in order that the Arab and Muslim leaders may invoke Darura - that doctrine of necessity -- for that is the only way, in the end, to keep the peace, if that is the goal, in that part of the Middle East, between the Infidel state of Israel, and all those who are commanded to forever wage war on Infidels in order to spread Islam and to ensure that the conditions for the imposition of Sharia are attained, and Muslims rule everywhere.

You sir! are absolutely correct!!. Even in countries that have fallen into Islamic control, the Muslim violence continues. They will not be satisfied until all are GRAVEYARD DEAD. THIS should be a wakeup call to the Dhimmis of the world that no appeasement or negotiation will do.
America supports Israel and don't think for a minute that just because you don't see American warplanes in the skies that they are not there.

And to grasshopper, just because the troops currently being deployed along the Mexican/American border aren't engaging in massive firefights that action is lacking. Rest assured grasshopper, when things are all in place, you will see some action and maybe the bodies you are looking for (Islamic terrorists too, like to see bodies)

Hugh-

You bet. But very many people are seing the bigger picture.

This whole thing is going to end in a tragedy for Mideast (Arab and Persian) Muslims. It's like a Greek Tragedy where the audiance sees the inevitable-fated-conclusion as the actors play their parts. Eventually there will be a nuclear attack on Israel, they will fend it off, and then 1300 years of madness will come to an end as Mecca and Medina are vaporized and Syria, Iran and others pay the painful consequenses of the Muslim dogmas of Dar-al-harb and Dar-al-Islam. Maybe after that Islam will join all the other religions and have a dogma that says, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

"And last night when they got automatic gunfire from across the Mexican border they stood there with their fingers up their rear ends and didn't do (explitive deleted) because they did not have orders to fire back."

Infidel Pride,
Is this true ? It sounds remarkably like what we do when BDR fire at us.

americaningermany writes: "As far as sparing civilians and innocent people, has Lebanon done that? Are they worried about civilians and innocent people in other countries?"

I don't blame the Lebanese government for the current mess there. The "peace agreement" that ended the Lebanese civil war in 1989 resulted in a "coalition government" in the classic insurgency style, with Hezbollah ministers in key positions in the Lebanese government. That has helped paralyze Lebanon from disarming Hezbollah, as was required by the 1989 peace agreement. Finally, Lebanon is too small and weak to stop Syria and Iran from meddling inside its borders. When Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri was assassinated, all the evidence pointed directly to Syria. Yet the West has done nothing about that.

Ever since the Cold War, the West has negotiated these dumb "peace agreements" in which the insurgents are appeased by offering them positions in a "coalition government." It has never worked: not in Vietnam, not in Iraq, not in Lebanon, not anywhere. Because it ends up legitimizing and rewarding insurgent violence. And when you reward something, you get more of it.

Hugh: "They should be encouraged and cheered."

Oh believe me I am cheering, while at the same time wishing the very best for our regular Israeli posters (and lurkers).

But I can't help but think that Israel needs to seize this opportunity to move on to Tehran and to take out its incipient nuclear program. If not now, when the iron is hot, then when?

Will it cause outrage? Yes of course it will! But the nauseating drumbeat of sanctions from the UN against Israel has, as far as I can tell, created a situation where the boy has cried wolf one too many times.

If Israel moves that far, then I hope the US follows suit. They could move in that direction merely on the grounds that Iran is meddling unacceptably in Iraq.

If now isn't the time to escalate this to taking out Iran's incipient nuclear program (the US and Israel combined) - then I don't know when the proper time would be.

The world has already pegged the US and Israel as the "Great" and "Little" Satan. No matter what restraint and decency they show (in comparison to their enemies). So. What's there to lose exactly? The international hysterical rhetoric vis a vis the US and Israel have already surpassed all rational grounds. What are they going to say now? You're the even BIGGER Great Satan and Israel is the even BIGGER little Satan?

LOL! Go Israel. You're in a fight for your life and I, for one, am 100% behind you.

Every 10 times Dubya opens his mouth, he puts his foot in it, 8 times. How can a man who went AWOL, be a responsible individual, much less a President / Commander-in-Chief of a great nation like America? Dubya would wipe out America (in the name of Noth America), the first chance he got, not to mention selling out American heritage to corrupt, illitrate and backward Mexico.

As long as Dubya is at the helm, America only has gloom and darkness ahead...........

I'm self employed in the building trades, I will not hire an illegal. Not now not ever.

Posted by: AMartinez at July 14, 2006 09:07 AM

Now, THAT sounds like a true patriotic American! Wish Dubya had half the patriotism AMartinez has, but .........

If Dubya didn't open his mouth, he would serve Israel a lot more, than he did.

What a blooming idiot!!

Bush should have qualified his reference to sparing civilians with the word "innocent". That's how you play this game. Take a page out of the enemy's playbook. Turnabout.

Posted by: Caroline at July 14, 2006 08:53 AM

By now, we all know how slow, timid and corrupt Dubya is. Given which, expecting the astuteness you rightly propose, Caroline, sorry to say, is an unrealistic expectation.

I am getting more convinced, America has slim to no chance as long as Dubya is in charge.

Is it just me or is Dubya a part of the problem, not the solution?

Looks like the Lebanese PM jumped the gun.

President Bush rejected Lebanon's calls for a cease-fire in escalating Mideast violence on Friday, saying only that Israel should try to limit civilian casualties as it steps up attacks on its neighbor.

"The president is not going to make military decisions for Israel," White House spokesman Tony Snow said.

Lebanon's prime minister asked Bush, during a phone call Friday, to pressure Israel for a cease-fire. But Bush told Prime Minister Fuad Saniora that Israelis have a right to protect themselves.

"We think it's important that, in doing that, they try to limit as much as possible the so-called collateral damage, not only on civilians but also on human lives," Snow said.

Israeli war planes have been bombing sites around Lebanon, including the main airport, bridges and power stations, to punish Hezbollah for the capture of two Israeli soldiers. At least 61 people in Lebanon have been killed.

On the other side, Hezbollah militants have fired hundreds of rockets at northern Israel. At least 10 Israelis have been killed.

Saniora's office issued a statement saying Bush "affirmed his readiness to put pressure on Israel to limit the damage to Lebanon as a result of the current military action, and to spare civilians and innocent people from harm."

Snow said that wasn't so. Bush merely "reiterated his position" that Israel should limit the impact on civilians, he said.

"It is unlikely that either or both parties are going to agree to" a cease-fire at this point, Snow said.

Caroline said

Bush should have qualified his reference to sparing civilians with the word "innocent".

I really like the way you think. How about a few statements about how we "abhor the death of civilians everywhere", including Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, New York, Beslan, London, etc. etc. etc.

How about the Israeli gunships having speakers that shout out "We come in peace! We are a peaceful people!" while firing missiles and shooting machine guns?

How about Israel creating, funding, and supplying a private army (errr, make that "charitable organization"), then claiming not to have any knowledge or control over what that army is doing?

When Islam starts receiving as it has been giving, there will begin a mighty whimpering.

how about Israel firing its weapons from schoolhouses and religious centers. Then, when the return fire hits and kills the children, Israel can jump up , turn on the tv cameras and accuse the attackers as murderers of the children.

Muslims do it all the time.

Ever since the Cold War, the West has negotiated these dumb "peace agreements" in which the insurgents are appeased by offering them positions in a "coalition government." It has never worked: not in Vietnam, not in Iraq, not in Lebanon, not anywhere. Because it ends up legitimizing and rewarding insurgent violence. And when you reward something, you get more of it.

...and North Korea; you get nukes. Sad part is that Clinton, Albright, and company gave them the nuclear technology as a reward to build power plants so they could build a democracy!

If you think I have been unkind to whore-hey Bush; the unkind things I tend to think about the previous globalist swines running our US government pales in comparsion.

Next election I may do more than vote; perhaps back an independent who wants the globalists out with some serious cash!

The president deserves a lot of flak for his views on Islam, but the Lebanese PM's claims above are demonstrably false, as proven by the following report

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150886000802&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Saniora's office issued a statement saying Bush "affirmed his readiness to put pressure on Israel to limit the damage to Lebanon as a result of the current military action, and to spare civilians and innocent people from harm."
Snow said that wasn't so. Bush merely "reiterated his position" that Israel should limit the impact on civilians, he said.