Mother axes daughter to death in Jordan “honour killing’

Don't confuse honor killings with cultural diversity.

AMMAN - A Jordanian woman hacked her 26-year-old daughter to death in her sleep with an axe for giving birth out of wedlock, the Jordan Times reported Sunday.

Muhammedanism: The default religion for cowardly assassins and stone killers.
Those with murderous tendencies have divine sanction to kill from Allah. They are left with clear conscience for their heinous crimes

Theses predators are yellow bellied cowards, empowered by a bloody Allah to ambush their prey in their sleep.

Male relatives -- surely there were some somewhere, to have been properly "offended" and needing to redeem their honor -- should have been asked to perform the messy act. It would have been more "consonant" with "Islamic teachings and beliefs."

It's the "Animal Farm" all over again...

Hmmm...a mother's love.

So much for the revered Muslim mother.

Muslim women, often times, are not victims but willing participants in the numerous rituals and practices of cruelty in Islam. What kind of monster could brutally murder her own daughter at a most vulnerable time in any woman's life, just after giving birth? The victim was just 26 and had been divorced for 7 years? She had probably been brutalized for most of her unforunate life, by family and during an early, forced marriage. I wonder what Lizzie al-Borden did to the baby? Put him in a bucket and drowned the poor little fellow? Immediately sent him to a terrorist training camp so that a suicide belt can be placed inside his diaper in a year or two? Several years ago, a woman of Middle Eastern background, wrote a book on honor killings; If I remember correctly, she focused on Jordan. Unforunately, she had falsified some of her book and was later charged in Chicago with scamming some senior citizens. Of course, after those revelations, Muslims took that opportunity to claim that honor killings are mostly an attempt by the West to demonize Islam.

A muslim mother took an axe
Gave her daughter forty whacks
When she saw what she had done
Mother's honor demanded forty-one.

“The mother and daughter waited until the victim went to sleep, took an axe and hacked her repeatedly until they made sure she was dead,” the official said.

I see that Muslim women learn from their pseudo-manly role-models. Sneak up on them when they are sleeping.

"They killed her after the birth of a male child". These women spared the new born because he will become Jihadi in future.

The placement of this post indirectly highlights a deficiency with Spencer's website: Muslim honor killings don't really belong precisely in either the "Jihad Watch" category nor in the "Dhimmi Watch" category.

Therefore, I appeal to Spencer to create a third logical category: Islam Watch, where daily postings of the specifically cultural aspect of Islam can be logged.

Killing a woman in her sleep. Very honorable in islamic society. Maybe they should have tied her up first.

Another example of a posting without a suitable niche: The July 30 posting below, "Indonesia's Aceh Canes Two for Adultery".

A category like "Islam Watch" or even "Sharia Watch" to fit these stories into seems the logical and necessary thing.

Having a third category would highlight and complete the overarching problem:

Jihad -- Muslims trying to dominate.

Dhimmis -- Non-Muslims who are either naively blind to Jihad or are to some degree sympathetic with it.

Third Category -- What it is that Muslims desire to see dominant: Islam, Sharia: the central substance of the problem.

Hacked to death in the night.

Would you be at ease putting up, in your own house, as an overnight guest, a Believer in Islam, perhaps an affable co-worker or former college roommate, who assured you that all this business of Muslim hostility toward Infidels was "nonsense and lies"? Would you be at ease watching the evening news with him, seeing him take in the same stories, but perceive them in quite a different way? Would you wish to go to bed, and have your children go to bed, while down the hall your affable colleague had his own room. Any tiny hint of some worry, of some lapsus or raptus or anything else, directed possibly at you or one of the children?

If, in thinking this over, you are forced to admit to yourself that, despite your wish to believe that there is no cause for any suspicion or alarm, your wish to believe, perhaps even your insistence, that there is nothing wrong or worrisome about Islam, only about those who misinterpret or pervert it, you would be alarmed, then ask yourself a final question.

If you would worry about such a person staying in your house, in your home, overnight, for fear of what he might do, whether set off by somethng on the news, or something in his own life (suppose he asked to stay with you because he had lost his job, or lost his wife, or suffered some other setback), why should you not worry about such a person, about millions of such persons, staying not for one night, but for tens of thousands of nights, forever, and becoming ever more numerous, ever more demanding, ever more threatening, in your land. For what is this land, if not our national home, our country's estate?

One would think that young girls like the one axed to death by her own mother and sister would learn at an early age not to hang around the ranch after shaming the family. I've heard of many cases in which the errant female was killed as soon as she revealed her pregancy to her family, with no regard for the ill-begotten fetus. These folks must have wanted the child and pretended everything was fine throughout the girl's pregancy, then when they got their golden egg, they killed the goose. Considering the twisted, perverted mentality of these people, it seems the bastard child would be as much of a dishonor as his mother.

I wonder who will now raise this cursed child, who is doomed to grow up not only hating Jews, Christians, and the West, but probably himself too. His mother was so wicked that she had to be murdered by her mother, all because of him. He's not a candidate for high self-esteem and a productive life. This is without doubt the most dysfunctional, psychotic society on earth. If it produces any normal, sane people, I would love to see them.

I agree with Television that this post really doesn't fit into either Dhimmi Watch or Jihad Watch since it doesn't effect non-Muslims but is in that category of simple cultural backwardness to which Islam gives cover.

As outrageous as this crime is, I'm not sure that it would have been prevented even if the scourge of Islam didn't exist. I can easily imagine hundreds of non-Muslim families in the US, who, if their unmarried daughter got "knocked up" would not kill her, but would hunt down and kill the man who got her pregnant. All in the name of family honour. I also can't imagine many juries in the South or West that wouldn't have at least one member who would hang the jury rather than convict the parent.

If O.J. Simpson had been tried in Alabama, his lawyer would need to play the Race Card. Only tell the jury that he caught his wife with another man and so he killed them both. Not only would O.J. have been acquitted but the jurors would have probably applauded him for defending his honour. And none of them would have been Muslims.

OOps, I meant "If O.J. Simpson had been tried in Alabama, his lawyer would NOT need to play the Race Card.

Don't get me wrong but she won't be producing any more children am I right? Every cloud as they say... ;)

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004922.html

Over and over the Koran conveys the sense that the infidels are not just mistaken, but are perversely and wickedly rejecting the truth. In other words, simply by existing as non-Muslims, they have “dissed” Allah and his Prophet, and that is why Allah breathes forth such vindictive sadistic punishments against them. It is only through the punishment of the infidel that the honor of Allah, Muhammad, and Islam can be restored. A similar psychology seems to be at work with the Muslims’ obsession with female sexual purity. No matter what happens of an improper sexual nature, even if the girl did not initiate the activity, indeed, even if she was raped, and even if the rapist was her own brother or father, she is seen as the one who has brought dishonor on her family, and the only way to restore family honor is to destroy the source of the dishonor. So the girl, who in many cases is already the victim of a horrible sexual crime, must be killed. The rage against the infidel, and the rage against a “dishonored” female, are the same.

'Honour killings' law blocked
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3088828.stm
Parliament in Jordan has overwhelmingly rejected a proposed law imposing harsher punishments for men who kill female relatives in what are known as "honour killings".

It was the second time since June's elections that the lower house, the Chamber of Deputies, quashed the bill on such killings, which are mostly carried out by brothers and fathers against women who have had sex outside of marriage.

Islamists and conservatives opposed to the new law said it would encourage vice and destroy social values

Under the existing law, people found guilty of committing honour killings often receive sentences as light as six months in prison.
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Adoption was a cultural thing, taboo against marrying the wife of one's adopted son was a cultural thing, pagan religion was a cultural thing. Islam could remove all these cultural things and culture and yet could not remove the "cultural" practice of honor killing.

Apostasy is against Islam and apostates are killed for that. Muslims teach that honor killing is against Islam and yet Muslims who kill another Muslim in honor killing get a few months jail. Being a rational consumer, I am sorry I don't buy that stuff that says "honor killing has nothing to do with Islam".

Provoslavni, when I called for a third category to put things like honor killings in it, I didn't mean to say these things have nothing to do with Jihad and Dhimmitude -- they have everything to do with them, since Jihad is the attempt to make such things the laws of the land, and Dhimmitude is the forced acceptance of those laws of the land by Muslims who have been victorious in their Jihad.

The third category is just meant to be a clarification of distinctions:

Islam/Sharia = the goal
Jihad = the means
Dhimmi = the victims (when they're lucky).

Secondly, as Nicolei argued, twisted cultural practices like honor killings emanate directly out of the holy texts of Islam: while we have our sickos who axe people to death, they are not getting their inspiration from their mainstream religion & culture, whereas Muslims are.

-- remote control, aka Television

RT aka TV,

I don't disagree. I only believe there is a big distinction between those who accept this evil system and then suffer for it and those who have this evil system imposed on them. All are victims but only the latter deserve the focus of our support.

I mourn the millions of kulaks killed by Stalin. I don't have the same sympathy for those dedicated commies that Stalin killed in his internal party purges. Likewise, even though Hitler killed the dedicated Nazi Ernst Rohm, we don't mourn him as a victim of the nazi holocaust.

Remote Control,

I meant to call you RC aka TV... Tonight I've forgotten how to type!

A bit back didn't some boarder guards offer a place to sleep to a wayward traveller to only be awoke by him trying to kill them. Religion of peace(ful sleep), you won't awake to the horrors of tomorrow.

I believe that jihad is not the issue. It is islam. Jihad is one symptom of islam. Being anti-jihad is no better than being anti-terror, and talking about a war on terror. We need to talk about islam. Islam, whether it is on the warpath or not, is an evil brainwashing cult that dehumanizes everything it touches. They not only destroy us, they destroy each other. When parents can murder their children, there is no salvation.

Jihadwatch is almost a dhimmi phrase as it deals only with the imperialistic aspects of islam. It should be called islamwatch or muslimwatch if we are to be honest. Islam is deadly - even to a muslim daughter in her bed.

August22 "I believe that jihad is not the issue. It is islam. Jihad is one symptom of islam."

Jihasd isn't a symptom of Islam. It is a duty of Muslims to wage war against unbelievers until Islam covers the entire planet and subjugates all other faiths and none.

A site called Islamwatch already exists, and can be found on http://islam-watch.org/index.html

Jihad is a symptom of islam. It is not the only nasty element to their religion. This bed butchery of one's own daughter is not jihad, but another element of islam. The whole thing is a disgusting cult, and jihad, islamic imperialism, is one aspect to this cult.

August22, I agree with everything you said, though I would phrase it as saying that jihad is a gigantic symptom of Islam -- and certainly jihad impacts the West more than Islam's honor killings.

However, Spirit of 1683's adducement of an Islam Watch site elsewhere is rather disingenuous, since it is Spencer's site that has long been a major site and is growing in size and influence every day -- and this is where the addition of an Islam category alongside the two existing categories of Jihad and Dhimmi needs to be made -- not only for clarity's sake but also to take an explicit stand against the substance which is jihad's raison d'être --, not in some obscure niche in some Internet interstice elsewhere.

My God. Can it be that we are becoming used to hearing of horrors like this? How can a mother do such a thing to anyone, much less a child that she carried, gave birth to and raised?

I am sure it was not an instant death - can you imagine the pain this poor woman suffered before she finally died? And at the hands of her own mother and sister! Can you imagine the screaming, the blood, the gore? It's like a little bit of hell right here on earth.

And this is supposed to be accepted as normal for their society? How can the rest of the world not be horrified and outraged at this?!

Islam continues to be the problem...the destroyer of all things.

Provoslavni wrote:

As outrageous as this crime is, I'm not sure that it would have been prevented even if the scourge of Islam didn't exist. I can easily imagine hundreds of non-Muslim families in the US, who, if their unmarried daughter got "knocked up" would not kill her, but would hunt down and kill the man who got her pregnant. All in the name of family honour. I also can't imagine many juries in the South or West that wouldn't have at least one member who would hang the jury rather than convict the parent.
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I have to respectfully disagree with you here. "Out of wedlock" births are actually fairly common in the US. Some cases are simply unmarried couples who have a child together, but often they are girls getting "knocked up" by men who do not stay around to raise the child.

Some girls have abortions, put the child up for adoption or into foster care. Often the girl will raise the child by herself or with her family. She can also go through the courts and sue the father for child support if paternity is proven (through DNA).

Of course, it has happened that families have "hunted down" deadbeat dads, but it is not common. Also, while many people (myself included) are not big fans of deadbeat dads, most Americans would be horrified at such a crime, and not at all inclined to let the killers off.

Part of it is that there is a strong streak of individualism in the US. While people are, of course, often embarrassed by things that their families might do, there is not the same sense that the actions of family members reflect on the individual. People are judged much more on their own own merits than on the actions, good or ill, of their families.