Indian Jihad motive supplied in this Hindustan Times piece, "Terror revisits Mumbai as 147 die in serial blasts" :
Terror had a plan in mind as it visited Mumbai on Tuesday. The powerful explosions that killed at least 147 rush-hour commuters and tore apart seven local-train compartments were methodically executed to shock the country’s financial capital and hurl it into chaos.Unlike the 1993 blasts, aimed at the city’s institutions, 11/7 was meant to hit the people who represented the face of globalising Mumbai.
The bombs — in all probability improvised explosive devices, the choice of terror groups in the past 10 years — exploded mostly in first-class compartments ferrying professionals and businessmen during the evening rush hour.
Terror in Mumbai
The first bomb exploded at 6.15 p.m. at Bandra station, followed by one on a train pulling out of Mahim station.
All the stations hit (Matunga, Mahim, Bandra, Khar, Jogeshwari, Borivali and Mira Road) are strung along a 60-km stretch of the western commuter line. These are among the city’s affluent suburbs — home to bankers, businessmen, entertainment moguls, actors and other upper-middle-class professionals.
Mumbai Police Commissioner A.N. Roy said investigations were on to zero in on the terrorist outfit responsible. Preliminary reports suggest the involvement of the Lashkar-e-Tayebba. The police are probing possible links between the blasts and the seizures of radio-enabled detonators in Mumbai in March and a huge consignment of RDX in Aurangabad in May. They had busted two suspected modules of the Lashkar following the seizures.
death toll is up to 170 now.
"Terror had a plan in mind" (with up so floating many bells down)
Good God -- even the Hindustan Times can't say it:
Islam had a plan in mind...
Slightly off topic:
Though there is a lot on our plate today when it comes to the Islamic terrorism in Bombay.
These comments from Iran's Mahmoud Amadinejad today give me the greatest of concerns. This man has not even been in office a year and he acts like he is taking on the whole western world. Coupled with his fanaticism and delusions of grandeur, somebody's in for a tough ride sooner than later. This guy has somehow got to be reigned in and soon.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7871
I don't mean to slam the Hindustan Times -- I'm deeply saddened for India.
And I'm sickened that they have over 100,000,000 seething Muslims in their midst which keep them onto tenterhooks. I'm sickened that they have Pakistan and China and Bangladesh for their neighbors, and that beyond those are countries like Afghanistan and Tjikistan and Iran an Indonesia and Oman.
Horrific neighbors, every one.
Bombing Bombay. The mere idea is abhorrent to civilised people.
jsla
India's MSM is no different from that in Europe, or for that matter, here
Don't apologize for slamming the Hindustan times - that ain't the same as slamming us
Actually Jsla, there is nothing surprising about HT using such language. PC is a full blown phenomenon in Indian 'secular' English media to proportions you might only know of in Sweden, the purgatory of PC. But we do also have totally un-PC papers like The Pioneer.
And yes, we Hindus have a joke:
Narad asked Brahma whether the world was perfect. Brahma said that the world was created balanced, every negative balanced by positive and vice versa. Narad begged Brahma for an elaboration. Brahma explained that he had endowed US with prosperity but plagued it with insecurity and tension, given africa natural beauty but extreme climates. But Narad asks and India? Brahma replies "Ah India yes, my most beautiful creation". Narad protests "But did you not say everything was balanced?"
Brahma, alas replies "Ah, yes, dear Narad, look at the neighbors I have given her!"
This isn't new. It may be bigger than usual, but Maharastra State (where Mumbai is) has a lot of Muslim-on-Hindu crime; most of it murder.
In Mumbai and Poona, at least once a week you hear of Muslims going nuts and stabbing random people. In Mumbai last year, Muslim gangs were hitting women with cricket bats from motorcycles because they weren't wearing headscarves.
There has been low-level anti-Hindu violence in Mumbai for many years. This is another example of a big flare-up.
Shiv Sena Reaction
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1733467.cms
The Islamists almost always target working people or people who are on their way to work-whether in London, New York, Israel, India or elsewhere. And after such Muslim violence, non-muslims must often endure the demented ravings of London-style-clerics as they joke about the working folks Muslims have killed in train stations, etc. Chucklehead Muslims stand before the clerics and grin at the cleric jokes because it's not murder to kill an "Infidel". Or else non-muslims read that CAIR charges Israel with "war crimes" in Gaza-while CAIR is silent on real war crimes being committed by Arab Muslims against Negro Africans in Darfur.
The killing of innocent human beings and the distortion of reality by Muslims never ends because only Muslims and Dar-al-Islam matter.
Oh you guys don't make a mountain out of a molehill. I heard from a real live expert on Fox News that this was a "religious war fought primarily over long disputed Kashmir territory."
610 * 623 * 732* 1066* 1215 * 1453 * 1504 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001
From Mecca to Medina to Moghul to Mombai to Mohammedans in the Subcontinent, and elsewhere.
It's all bad.
Tusha Saxena wrote: "PC is a full blown phenomenon in Indian 'secular' English media to proportions you might only know of in Sweden, the purgatory of PC."
A couple of questions..
1. How much of this attitude can be attributed to political correctness, and how much can be attributed to lingering Ghandian "let's all live together is peace and harmony" Hindu tolerance?
2. How would you move 100 million jihadis or potential jihadis from your country?
My sympathies are with the Indian people.
tens of millions of hindus killed between year 1000 and 1500. tens of millions, perhaps 70 million.
you need to know this.
Instead of naming the individual fingers (terrorizing Islamic cells, whether "al-Qaeda" or "Kashmiri Muslim militants"), which obscures the deadly issue, the media needs to keep naming the hand.
It's the hand of Islam!
The fingersprints are all Mohammad's.
Bloody, as goddamned usual.
I watched NBC news tonight. There was news from India. Brian Wililams did not once mention the words "Islam" or "Islamic" or "Muslim." "Terrorists" yes, I think that was a word that was used.
So it was left up to you, the viewer, the one who turned on NBC Nightly News, to figure things out, to understand what was what, to make any connections or sense of the matter that you could, unaided, on your own. Up to you to make sense of the wide world.
NBC Nightly News. With Brian Williams.
NBC Nightly News. With Brian Williams.
Brian Williams is a pussy. A subintellect. An unsightly pretty boy. A moron. A lazy-ass self-important no account.
He reminds me a lot of George and Sean and Tim and Tim and Bill and Shep and Brit and all the rest. They could set up a house of ill-repute and peddle their stuffy. Appoint David Broder to the post of Madame for credibility.
When one's own tribe (Ishmael's) has never left the stone age, I suppose it's possible to understand they don't want any one else to either.
The one thing all of us can be sure of regarding Islam: IT WILL CONTINUE KILLING INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS.
With Islam it is the killing that IS the religion.
This is not a war over Kashmir. Kashimr is only the current demand. In the end, it is a war to recapture India for Islam. India, like Spain (think of all those Al-Andalus Streets, as many as there are Haifa Streets, and Al-Quds Streets, and Palestine Hotels, in so many Arab countries), like Sicily, like Israel, must be recaptured and re-incorporated into Dar al-Islam.
But don't take heart from that, if you live in Italy or France or England. Don't wipe your brow and say "phew, glad we were never part of Dar al-Islam." The whole world must become part of Dar al-Islam. Sooner or later, that is what is required. Any triumph now, over India or Israel, over the Christians in Biafra or the Buddhists in southern Thailand, any Jizyah paid in the form of "foreign aid," any demands met in the form of changes in the practice of Western freedoms (such as the attempt to prevent the full exercise of free speech and to silence, through threats, not only the Danes and the Dutch but all of us, preventing us from any critical scrutiny or even discussion of Islam), all that simply whets the appetite of Believers.
The bland Muslim assumption that Muslims can continue to live, and conduct Da'wa and demographic conquest, without being thwarted, constrained, removed from the lands of the Infidels altogether must be put paid to, and that will happen if a sufficient number of Infidels, whatever their differences, simply set out to study, without presuppositions or wilful denial, the history of the doctrine, and practice, of Islam.
If even the sinister taqiyya-master Tariq Ramadan, who now wishes to emphasize temporary "playing by the political rules" and "exploitation of the system" in order to achieve the same goals as others try to achieve by bombing subways and trains and theatres and schools, that means that the growing awarenss of what Islam is all about is beginning to have an effect.
Western governments have it backwards. They seem to thing the more we avoid the subject of Islam, the more we try to win Muslim hearts and Muslim minds (neither winnable, not as long as those hearts and minds are truly given to Islam), the more we yield to Muslim demands or show ourselves willing to change our own laws, customs, understandings to accommodate Muslims, the smoother things will be. It is the exact opposite. It is only by showing a command of what Islam is all about, an unwillingness to be fooled at any step, a cool and permanent suspicion and wariness that is permenent and that personal affability of this or that Muslim will be unable to melt, and that the implacable opposition to the instruments of Jihad, and not merely to the least effective instrument of it, terrorism, will force Muslims in both the Lands of the Infidels, and elsewhere, to take into account as they never have felt they had to before, the reaction of educated and vigilant Infidels, who are far beyond their own governments in their comprehension.
Anxiety over the position of Muslims, or worry about the ability of Muslims even to obtain or maintain a secure position, in the Western world, should dampen the most obvious instrument of Jihad -- terrorism. And that may die down, but that will only be a tactic, designed to permit the continued spread of Islam through Da'wa and demographic conquest, unconstrained. That is a worry. And the worry is greater because of the general mediocrity of those who presume to instruct and to protect us, all over the Western world.
Good post Hugh. I would only add that same as the Islamos want Kashmir, there are nascent Muslim separatist movements in 2-3 other Indian provinces where the Muslims are a large proportion of the population. Their long term strategy is out breed Hindus and split off more and more territory into Muslim homelands like Kosovo. The split off is also achieved by harassing Hindus into leaving same as Muslims do in South Thailand, Lebanon, Bethlehem, Kosovo etc etc. Even the Philippines now I think. Drive out the infidel for more Muslim turf.
I hate to be analytical at a time like this - such a terrible event, all those innocent lives taken (fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters)...but this is war and we need to understand the strategy behind the tactic of murder. It may be the same as in Iraq - inflame people's passions, start a civil war. Then what? What will it accomplish on the Jihadi chess board?
Perhaps Hindus will get tired of being murdered; the people will attack the Muslim population; Pakistan (others?) will fight to defend their "brothers;" India and Pakistan will go to war; Pakistan is losing, so they start a nuclear war; in the ruins of Pakistan (as in the ruins of Somalia and Iraq), the people are desperate and turn to...Islam!
Meanwhile, silent partners...China, Russia...look the other way, and pick up the pieces, to their profit.
Just a theory, of course.
I was on hold for 1 1/2 hours tonight for Michael Savage's radio talk show before I got cut off -- reason unknown, but probably my digital phone service.
It's a shame, because it was going to be one hell of a call-in. I'm had as much as I've going to take from Islam. It's time to start amping it up a notch, maybe two notches.
As Hugh emphasized in his statement above, it is imperative that we confront this issue truthfully. Enough of the governments around the Western world avoiding the real issue at hand. We are at war with Islam. This should be clear to everyone after today.
If it is not clear to you, ask yourself what would bring you into the light: an attack on a subway or train in your neck of the woods by "insurgents", "separatists", or "youths"? It shouldn't have to get that far, for us all to finally admit what we are seeing is real, it is ugly, it is an alien ideology to most of us, but it is coming to destroy us if we do not raise a hand or a voice against it.
React. Speak out. Talk about Islam. It's ok to get angry.
Hugh-
Perhaps NBC and all other broadcasts need to add a little nightly report-within-the-Report called "What Has Islam Done Today?" (in the way that Ted Koppel got a program, that became a career, out of naively following the Iranian Hostage Crisis for 444 days)?
A continuing Update about the daily carnage brought to us courtesy of the killer Koran.
Michelle Malkin would be a good segment host.
(Ooo, look, it's snowing in Hades! oh, wait, it's only ash... descending from the latest Islamic terror bomb blast...)
"I'm had as much as I've going to take from Islam. It's time to start amping it up a notch, maybe two notches."
LOL. Wow, I know I'm tired when I manage that kind of dyslexia in my writing.
If l read the post correctly by Hugh, the spread of islam slowly is worse, as it creeps on the West. so therefore by having Western armies in Afganishstan,Iraq,etc. we agitate the muslims into more of a frenzy, along with of course Israel, and support for Israel. The gang in Toronto,Canada, were agitated to go into attack mode because of Canada's military in Afganistan, although not many, but enough to drive the muslim horde crackers. this is one of the ways to bring them out of the woodwork, and waken the average Joe Canada about the cult of islam. than l say its worth having our military in the Middle East, and support for Israel.
With the added attacks of muslim horde in places such as India, Thailand,etc. it further illustrates the evil cult of Islam. My condolence of course to all who have lost loved ones in India.
Hi Lulu,
Left 5 copies of the 'no pedophile prophets form on the train this morning, hope you are doing the same...
Hugh
Very good point. Few people, even in India, realize that Pakistan's long term goal is to re-create the Moghul empire as it was in 1707. 'Secular' parties in India have been unwitting (?) pawns in this game.
This is not a war over Kashmir. Kashimr is only the current demand.
I was being sarcastic.
610 * 623 * 732* 1066* 1215 * 1504 * 1526 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001
has not even been in office a year and he acts like he is taking on the whole western world. Coupled with his fanaticism and delusions of grandeur, somebody's in for a tough ride sooner than later. This guy has somehow got to be reigned in and soon.
I don’t buy that. President Mahmoud is a perfectly normal Moslem Man; he’s just exceptionally active and frankly spoken. Rein him in there are thousands of similar Persian Moslems to take his place.
Like that bad movie The Hunt For Red Al-Qaeda, it will do little good to rid the world of this horrible little man President Mahmoud.
Moslems: They keep breeding, they keep coming, they keep talking, they keep wheedling, they keep demanding, they keep on keeping on.
There is an endless supply of Caliph Osamas and President Mahmouds. These dogs never stop barking.
The famed Mumbai Resilience to the fore again...
http://www.ndtv.com/breakingnews/default.asp?refno=712200685758AM
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The morning after the devastating serial blasts on the Western railway line in Mumbai, life is back to normal for the ever-resilient Mumbaikars.
Train services are running normally and people are not hesitating to take the local trains to work.
Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh has said the blasts will not affect the routine functioning of the city and schools, colleges and offices would run as usual.
Mumbai residents are sending out a clear message that the city will not be cowed down by terror. Incidentally, none of the political parties have called a bandh.
At least 172 people were killed and 439 injured in a series of blasts that rocked the city on Tuesday. Seven blasts took place on different railway stations in the city.
The injured are being treated at Lilavati, Cooper, Hinduja, KEM, Bhabha and Nanavati hospitals.
Most significantly, the Western Railway line, where all the seven blasts took place, is functioning. The Western Railway began its suburban services at different places almost four hours after the serial bomb blasts in its trains.
Train services between Churchgate, Mahalaxmi; Bandra, Andheri and Goregaon, Vasai have resumed.
The Municipal Corporation has announced that there will be no charges for funeral services.
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Hi,
Very sad that my countrymen in Mumbai has to face another bloodletting by the so called our Indian muslim brothers.....
One is a big fool who doesnt expect any sort of terrorism where muslims live....
Why terrorism or jihad is non existant in Brazil,argentina or other South American Countries.
It is plain and simple fact that muslims are very scarce in South America and thus the absence of Jihad.
They are Islamic terrorits fightig for the cause of converting the Whole world to Islam and subjugate all the infedels nations...
BBC is breaking all the boundaries of Dhimmitude..
Yesterday I was following all the news channels, most of the English Indian news channels doesnt even mention the word muslims or local muslims involvement..Most of the BBC coorespondents are muslims so it is evident that they will any way harm their UMMAH by calling them muslims or Islamic terrorists.
and any Britons reading over here listen this :
The inhouse expert a mumbai born musilm living in London and a clumnist and writer was saying that london bombings were with a reason, and their needs to be no comparison between London and Mumbai bombings.. Thats what the british muslimsmcitizens as highle educated as this columnist thiks...
Start voting for the BNP or else British are doomed and I cannot see any infedel dieing out wihtout giving a fight. Unfortunately our political elites are delivering our natios to Islam on a platter
The fallout of all these atrocities is only going to increase the hatred of Muslims and this already evident among many Hindus, though they doesnt exihibit it in public because of the fear of branding communalist and fanatic.
The bloody idiots of our freedom movement Ghandi, nehru and their ilk and their corruption of Indian education system with repeated falsehood of peacefull coexistance of muslims and hindus is the cause of ignorance of Hindus abut Islam..
Majority of the Hindus dont know the Quran and the Idiot and phsycopath Mohamamd's biography, if they know it I can promise u that hindus will start spontaneouls and immediately their hatred and will not respect Islam at all.
But unfortuately the mainstream media doesnt inform the public about the Quran and Mohamad and thus continues the ignorance and the frequent riots of the Hindus were just a response to muslim atrocities and when they come to know about Quran and Mohamamd the Hindus are will damn surely assume it as their duty to end this cult of Islam because we Hindus are always taught to fight ADHARMA(non righteousness) with whatever it takes .
The lack of this knowledge about Islam is hindering the enlightement of the Hindus
Here is what the great Hindu, Sri Aurbindo, said on April 18, 1923.
"I am sorry they are making a fetish of this Hindu-Muslim unity. It is no use ignoring facts; some day the Hindus may have to fight the Muslims and they must prepare for it. Hindu-Muslim unity should not mean the subjection of the Hindus. Every time the mildness of the Hindu has given way. The best solution would be to allow the Hindus to organize themselves and the Hindu-Muslim unity would take care of itself, it would automatically solve the problem."
Those words are still relevant today. I have a couple of friends who are part of a rudimentry Hindu defense network (I won't say where). But, the Hindus of certain areas in the city and nearby villages have organised themselves to face the local Muslims. Every adult male and female learns how to operate weapons, and every participating family buys certain weapons. In times of crisis they can warn and defend each other. You can't rely on BJP, RSS, Shiv Sena cowards. Local self-defence is the only way forward. I advise all the Hindus and non-Hindus living in hostile areas to work within your communities, organise and be ready to fight.
Regarding Hugh's post:
Giving way and giving way and giving way - the path of appeasement - to bullies, seductive conmen and others is the path to annihilation.
The only thing that ever works is assertion, management and, if necessary, elimination. The elimination's a biggie - cf The Midwich Cuckoos, a microcosm of the situation we face today.
You need to be able to recognise that you are being conned (which only some can do), you need the "stones" to be assertive (especially in the absence of support) and the ability to act, which many have and a few do.
'Twill be a long long war.Where's that assertion course booklet?...
El Cid extends his heartfelt sorrow at this horrendous attack on India and it's Hindu culture, Islam is making us all brothers in the shared blood of our fellow country men and victims.
El Cid has many Indian friends in New York, many form Mumbai, and this evening was spent consoling the inconsolable and in huddled moments of grief and anger!
Arise India and defend your country!
Here in New york we share your anger!
Body count now 190
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1734038.cms
dear friends
thanks for the support and condolences that we have received. Vikrant, Arjun and others in India, mumbai..it is good to know that you are safe.
Every life that is lost to islamic terrorism is a reason added to as to why we should fight it. We have 200 more reasons and counting.
The victims join an unending list of innocents, whose slaughter is only documented by historical bloodspots such as 9/11, 7/7. Madrid, while perpetual warzones such as Kashmir, Darfur, Sudan are shoved under a stinking PC rug in the name of liberlistic idealogy that flies in the face of common sense.
A moment of prayer for those who suffered, who died in Mumbai & Srinagar. A prayer that their deaths will not be in vain, that the madness that killed them shall be exterminated, and that we will all work together to exterminate it.
for a free world
the hindu
" the instruments of Jihad, and not merely to the least effective instrument of it, terrorism..."
Although a small minority of Westerners have been improving their learning curve with regard to the Problem of Islam, it seems the majority are only more entrenched to defend and sugarcoat Islam and Muslims in general. The intensification of terrorism -- in sheer quantity and global dispersion -- in the past decade has either had no impact upon Western naivete, or it has actually had the queerly paradoxical effect of increasing the quantities of sugar and lime for the broadly popular pastimes of sugarcoating and whitewashing Islam. So it seems terrorism has been quite an effective instrument of Jihad, whether by design, or through the sheer serendipity of Western stupidity (or perhaps, as time goes along, a little of both).
As an experiment the Indian film moguls should produce a spectacle of a few thousand muslims getting filleted in response to terrorist attacks on public transportation. they could even orchestrate it as real to see how the national and international press will report it. no doubt the killers who started the grizzliness would be called militants and the defenders of civilization striking back against koraniacs would be called killers and murderers. mel brooks nailed it correctly when he named don adams's hit comedy GET SMART! isn't that what is needed for civilization to get smart? what good is wisdom if you don't use it?
Was listening to the BBC on ABC radio this morning in Australia, the BBC broadcaster was interviewing an Indian chap about this latest outrage from the RoP. The Indian chap blamed ISLAMOFASCISTS, the BBC broadcaster actually repeated the word ISLAMOFASCIST! Is this a first the ultra PC, dhimmi BBC ?
If Indians have started using the term 'Islamofascist', it's worse than I thought. We've always either called them Muslim fanatics, Muslim fundamentalists, and the most extreme among us, like me, just called them Muslims.
Kudos to the Indians and the Indian railways for working through the night and getting the services up and running in just a few hours. The Jihadi cowards could murder innocent people, but miserably failed to disrupt Bombay or intimidate its people.
But how long can India or the rest of the world continue taking it?
Incidentally, an Indian friend has pointed out that August 7, 2006 or 7-8-6 is a date to watch, because 786 reads like Allah in Arabic. Muslims in the subcontinent and ME use this number wherever they can. They believe it's their lucky number.
thehindu
What's the latest from Mumbai? Apparently, there was a power outage and cellular network outage: what's the law & order situation there?
P.S. Hope your relatives and friends are all safe
From this Reuters news brief
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-07-12T070258Z_01_ISL75944_RTRUKOC_0_US-INDIA-BLAST-MILITANTS.xml&archived=False
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But Lashkar denied any role.
"These are inhuman and barbaric acts. Islam does not permit the killing of innocent people," a man who identified himself as "doctor Ghaznavi", spokesman of the Lashkar-e-Taiba said.
"Blaming LeT for such inhuman acts is an attempt by the Indian security agencies to defame Kashmiri mujahideens (freedom fighters),"
Assalamau-Laikum all,
I see what happened in India yesterday as a failure of policy by weak hindu politicans at the time of partition.
At that time we muslims wanted our own country....we were 2/5 of the population but took 1/3 of the country....but only took about 1/2 the muslims from India.....WHY?
Had Ghandi and Nehru had 1/2 the balls that Jinnah had....they should have said...."OK muslims.. you want your own country...then ALL of you must go"....and no complaints about that, after all, it was to be a fresh start for the pure.
Had the partition been the other way...with Jinnah calling the shots in India I know exactly what would have happened.
This is why I think the infedel can never win against Islam. The infedel is the same the world over...doesn't know when to go all out. We saw it in the 1st war with Iraq, we saw it in Afganistan, we will always see it...it keeps Islam strong!
Pak however has also got it's worries. They have not gone "scot free". The fighting in Balochistan & Waristan for Pak is safe as long as soldiers and peoples in those states die.
Pak is run by the Punjabis from the punjab plains. While they are safe the exported horror shows into other countries courtesy of the Pak punjabi elite will continue...this is why they do it...it keeps the wolf away form their door.
However once the Balochies & Waristanis (BNW)bring the war to the Punjab...to Lahore and Islamabad...you will start to see a meltdown in Pak. The BNWs don't yet fight a sophisicated war and the PAK punjabi elites are grateful for that....but I feel it is only a matter of time...Pak will start to have huge security problems within the next decade and no one to manage the situation.
India should put enormous pressure on Mushi to close down the Lishkar camps in the Pak side of Punjab. Come on India...do it...we are sick of the Lishkar too!
Without finishing the job in places, I know that we will ultimately face each other in a "winner takes all" war of finality....but in truth nobody will win that one....the only winners will be the ones who die early.
Here is one Indian news source that is not mincing its words.
It does say:
But that aside it is remarkably forthright. For example, it says:
There's an eye-opener for a start.
More here:
Mumbai blasts: The Al Qaeda link
Infidel Pride
I am facing problems from my internet connection. The situation in mumbai seems to o.k other than the shock of the blasts.
There has been a casualty in my company. A 25 year old engineer has died and a manager is in critical level. A friend called me to tell me that a person in her organization has also died.
Sentiments now are still focussed on establishing normalcy. Till now quesions and their answers have been set aside.
I will let you know more as it develops.
one more thing...i fully acknowledge these perps to be muslims, true to their teachings, let there be no doubt on that account.
for a free world
the hindu
Google News also has a link entitled "Centre has some leads on Mumbai blasts". However, the link is unreachable - probably swamped by traffic.
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1041121
Oh, BTW, as for the denial by LeT - not that anybody will have anything but contempt for such transparent lies - here's a paragraph from the piece I posted above:
As for "Islam does not permit the killing of innocent people" ... words fail ... as well say FIFA does not permit the playing of football and is not to be blamed for organizing the World Cup. Islam is the only widely-practised religion in the world that specifically mandates the killing of innocents. One among many examples:
Naseem
Gandhi's & Nehru's problems weren't ones of balls. It was more that they were traitors. Although I normally don't advocate assassinations, I consider Nathuran Godse to be a major savior of India. Had Gandhi remained, you would have ended up with Junagadh, Hyderabad, Kashmir, and who knows what else.
However, that's where the correctness of your analysis ends. Today, neither India nor the rest of the Infidels world have Gandhis or Nehrus. We have dhimmis, no doubt, but that's something borne out of their ignorance. But Gandhi and Nehru knew what they were doing, and they considered the Brits greater enemies than Muslims. The reason they were opposed to India's partition was that they were opposed to a Hindu rashtra; that is why, despite partition, they forced India to keep its Muslims, compensate Pakistan Rs 55 crores, did what they could to prevent Hindus killing Muslims but nothing vice versa. Today, none of their descendents have the clout that they had, the sycophacy of the Congress notwithstanding.
For the short term, while dhimmitude continues to dominate, the internecine conflicts that you have between Panjabis and Pathans, Waziris and Baluchs is the best thing we have going for us. But don't think that among average people, what our governments think is the consensus. By & large, most of the people I've met - both US and India - have negative opinions about Islam. They may differ about how to react to it, but with every event such as yesterday, fewer and fewer are advocating the co-existance line. And I wonder how many Indians today still believe in the 'Hindu-Musalman-bhai-bhai' excrement, even if they don't want to obliterate 130m vermin from their midst?
To the extent that Ahmadiyas aren't as hateful as Sunnis, you have my sympathies. But given that you ultimately are counted in Islam when it comes to flaunting that 1 billion member mark at us, you are the enemy - regardless of what the Sunni/Shia/Sufi/Ismailiyas/Bohras think of you. Also, yesterday's bloodletting wasn't the Lashkar alone - SIMI, which is Indian Muslim, not Paki, was involved, so we have our problems with our 130m ummah members. Hopefully, next time the Congress goes, we'll have a Hindutva regime, without Vajpayee or Advani, and a government that gives these clowns 3 choices
- Embrace any infidel religion - Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, Jainism,... (you can't embrace Sikhism, you can only be born or marry into it, so that ain't an option)
- Go to Pakistan, Bangladesh, or any of the Gulf states (the last are the only foreign countries that Indian Muslims go to)
- Death
More and more Indians are discovering the truth about Mohammed. This 1000 year nightmare for us is close to ending.My gratitude to all for standing up for India. I would have posted this yesterday. English is not my mother tongue, and sometimes I am at a loss for words. Did not have words yesterday. Do not have now.
thehindu
Thanks for the update. Our thoughts and prayers with the people who you mentioned are no longer with us.
I admire the way Mumbai is dealing with this - just as they dealt with last year's floods.
Islam at prayer. The Mumbai bombing is not terrorism. What happened in Beslan, New York, London, Madrid, Jerusalem, Istanbul, Casablanca, Algiers, Riyadh, Philippines, Beirut, Baghdad, Jordan, Amsterdam, Paris, among all the other thousands of places at thousands of times, is not terrorism, it is simply Islam at prayer.
My sympathies are with the Indian people and our condolences for those who have lost friends and family.
Rest eternal grant to them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them.
Question: Today when we hear terrorist on the news today who do we think of, IRA ETA Shining Path or do we just think Islamic fundamentalist?
IMHO the media and politicians are helping already in most minds Islamic fundamentalist = terrorist how long before Muslim = terrorist ?
In a posting above "Yojimbo" states the following:
"Here is one Indian news source that is not mincing its words.
It does say:
Jihadi terrorism in Indian territory outside Jammu and Kashmir is a post-1992 phenomenon and is attributable to the feelings of hurt and anger caused in the Muslim community ...
But that aside it is remarkably forthright."
What then follows is a remark about where the timing devices have come from.
I disagree that this coverage is what is needed. I find the first statement, of terrorism beyond Kashimr starting only in 1992, to be false, and the second, that this is "attributable to the feelings of hurt and agner caused in the Muslim community," to be the sheerest apologetics. Nothing about where timers come from undoes, or makes up for, the damage of that sentence.
Since the particular poster is always full of good sense, I wonder if he might re-consider his initial enthusiasm for this particular coverage.
The graduate student who sometimes plays Naseem is up at 4:00 am Lahore time? Interesting. How you could be that lucid at an early hour and have become more facile in the use of English confirms you are a collective - not an individual.
evidence from last post:
knows use of contractions
knows some turns of phrase
punctuates for effect
grammatically 'western' in sentence structure
I don't even think you're in Pakistan now... at least the guy who's done the latest posting isn't.
Do you think you're doing anything here? Do you think you've convinced someone that "allahu akbhar"?
Shove off sh*thead(s) all of you hiding behind 'Naseem'. You lie and hide behind women even in the anonymity of this forum.
Since when did mujahid mean "freedom fighter"?
Brian Williams, the charismatically dapper and popular successor of Tom Brokaw to host the NBC Nightly News wrote a few months back, in response to the news that the current President of Iran was identified as one of the embassy kidnappers of Americans in 1979:
"in our afternoon editorial meeting... several of us raised the point (I'll leave it to others to decide germaneness) that several U.S. presidents were at minimum revolutionaries, and probably were considered terrorists of their time by the Crown in England."
And here's an exchange between Brian Williams and the supposedly conservative news analyst, David Gergen (who has worked as an advisor to Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton):
WILLIAMS: And, David, there are millions of Americans tonight, a lot of them in red states, counting their blessings that there is a president who sees good and evil, black hats and white hats, doesn't triangulate in a world that seems increasingly divided in to Americans and those that hate them.
Mr. GERGEN: Well, there is a lot to be said for the way that he does see the world in--in moral terms in black and white. But you know, Brian, there are places in the world where there are a lot of grays. There are complexities. You know, there are multiple--multiple perspectives. ... one person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist. And, you know, one has to be, I think, prudent and--and careful about how you deal with a world like that, just as you have to be careful about how you deal with an economy as complex as this, how you right--you know, get this economy righted and--and get growth going again. So these questions--you know, the president is clearly bold. He's clearly willing to take risks. The question becomes, you know: Are these prudent risks? Are these prudent steps? Are these steps well informed by judgment? And it's--you know, I think we can be thankful he does have a strong team around him. How it will turn out, I think, is a big, big issue.
WILLIAMS: Fascinating analysis as always, David.
Mr. GERGEN: Thank you.
Arjun, I can only imagine how you must feel at this time. My heart, thoughts and prayers are with you and the people of India now. Regardless what language we speak, sometimes there are no words.
Plague, Americaningermany,
I told you peoples before ....there is no collective...I was educated in Britich Uni and got my education from in the UK.
I am surprised as to why posting toimes are important to you...just because you don't get up until 8.30am in the West doesn't mean that we do that in Lahore too.
Couple that in the last 15 months, whereby my shor was coughing much of the night meant that I was up most of the night.
Also after Anwer's passing ...sleeping is hard...so Plague...a bit more respect please.
I know you don't trust muslims especially after yesterday....but you CAN trust me...I am alll for peace only.
americaningermany
John Howard was distinct from the Muslim troll Khalid/lionheart/salahuddin/Wallace. His posts were very well laid, and had no grammatical errors; he was more likely a loony Leftist than a Mohammedan troll, particularly if TV's suspicions were correct.
Naseem
The day you embrace a faith outside Islam, I'll be the first to trust you; until then, never! Speaking of which, since Ahmadiyas are considered infidels, if any Ahmadiya girl, say your daughter, chose to marry, say, a Sikh, and convert, would the Paki authorities hunt her down for apostasy the way they would a Sunni? Or would they treat it just as they would if a Christian eloped with a Hindu?
I don't know what to say, Hugh. I suppose it was an absurd post. My apologies for not considering more carefully first.
I had read so much coverage that had made no attempt to discuss which groups had been involved in similar incidents before what and their connections were that I was stunned to find an article that did. The 1993 bombings were mentioned here and there elsewhere, but, as I recall, nowhere before I had encountered this article had I seen that Pakistan's Inter Services Agency (ISI) had had a hand in the 1993 bombings. It makes Pakistan's denunciation of the bombings yesterday, so eagerly pounced on and given prominence by the BBC among others, look a little hollow.
But, as you say, whatever the other merits of the piece, the comment at the beginning was so inaccurate and so apologetic as to outweigh anything else.
Sometimes I wonder what the mainstream media thinks it is about. The coverage in the British press has not impressed me. As I recall, Bruce Bawer says in his book that he thinks the Daily Telegraph is the most honest paper in north-west Europe. Well, its standards seem to be slipping. Today the Telegraph, editorially speaking, ignored the bombing in Bombay, a major atrocity with a death toll of around 190. It ran two leaders: one on nuclear power and one on "gifted children". And here is what its main news story on the incident said:
The hidden implication here seems to be the that incident was some kind of fall-out from a "six of one/half-a-dozen of the other" dispute.
It then adds:
And one wonders how anyone can write that about a known terrorist organization with a straight face. The Telegraph then goes on to say:
This is again would be likely to mislead casual readers who don't know the background. It's questionable to say the least that Musharraf's condemnation should be taken at face value; and it certainly needs to be seen in the context of ISI involvement in the 1993 bombings.
The Times in this case did somewhat better. It did, at least, run a leader on the bombing. It also used the word "jihad" and the phrase "global Islamic dominance". It also made the point that Kashmir is a pretext - or, at any rate, a local piece in a larger jigsaw:
However, by the final paragraph "Hindu nationalists" have been invoked and the Times seems to have retreated into moral equivalance and vague statements about "sectarian violence" and "extremism". What happened to the Times's awareness of jihad in between the middle of the leader and its conclusion? It seemed to have slipped of the page and fallen to the floor somewhere.
The Times is also running an opinion piece today entitled "Cross-fertilisation in an Islamic garden".
The Times is obviously unaware of Islam's long history of art-destruction.
I'm not going to read it. Not today. Not after what happened yesterday.
"His [John Howard's] posts were very well laid, and had no grammatical errors"
The nefarious character I suspect was in his checkered career not above using grammatical errors to disguise himself. Only one thing makes me tentatively doubt my suspicion about John Howard -- in his posts, he tended to use the American double quote marks "example" rather than the single quote marks 'example' used in the UK. The person I'm thinking of went further: not only did he obsessively use the single quote marks rather than the double, he would use the curved or angled variety which I will demonstrate with this example: ‘example’. As I said, the John Howard fellow seemed to use the double quote marks all the time -- though this could have been another clever subterfuge, since that person I'm thinking of knew quite well that I had noticed his use of single quote marks, as I had more than once poked fun at him for it, and he had gone to the trouble of defending his practice, and he knew that I frequent Jihad Watch and in fact he had visited here on my recommendation, only to report back that he found this site ridiculous.
Naseem, get some rest. Enough for me now that you are against the attacks in India. Any sane person would be. Peace.
Dunk-
Interesting about the "786" Lucky Muslim info since a former troll here used his posting name as "ia786" (which I mocked as ia666). Whether he has morphed into any other name is irrelevant, since they are all robotic propagandists utterly impervious to reason. The truest mark of both a believing Muslim and a multi-cultural fellow-travelling zombie apologist.
And anyone who would lick the philosophical boots of a pedophile is beneath contempt.
Television-
What happens if you use both forms of quotes, since the "double" are generally used for accurate examples while the 'single' are for ironic emphasis?
As in:
Although, I've been known to use the formulation:
-to show both that while Muslims consider him a real prophet, I do not.
(Which uses double quotes for both meanings.)
In several local papers here (San Francisco Bay Area) the implication seemed to be that an accusation by India that Pakistan may have been involved in the attacks (if only by harboring terrorists) would be putting the fragile peace process at risk. Nowhere did it seem to be mentioned that the bombings themselves might have put the "peace process" at risk.