Overwhelming Majority of Loyal Patriotic Citizens Update: "Tension as party goes flat on Champs Elysees," from AFP, with thanks to Fjordman:
PARIS (AFP) - First there was hope and expectation, then there was undiluted joy, a reality check, exasperation, despair and finally deflation - that was the Champs Elysees during the World Cup final....The only happy people, barring pockets of celebrating Italians, seemed to be those for whom the result bore little consequence to their reason for hitting the Champs - trouble....
Crowds of blue shirted people headed one way while gangs of rowdy young men headed the other.
Youths waving flags - not French or Italian but Algerian and Turkish - ran around shouting and cheering....
Were they the same as these "young men"?
But there was also a sinister side lurking in the shadows.Other than around the Arc itself, the crowds were hardly heaving but young men loitered in darkened pockets of the Champs, just yards away from riot police.
Up by the Arc itself was the biggest police presence and it did not take long for the first baton charge to be launched.
Hundreds of young men, clearly angling for trouble, squeezed in and around the Arc. A flare was thrown into the crowd of people, the police braced themselves and the fleeing began, swiftly followed by a charge.
What do they have to do to get their heads kicked in by the locals?
When this sort of arrogance was seen in prewar Germany people all around the world were horrified.
Now we see it all over the world and what does anyone do?
SFA(or sweet fanny adams if there is any doubt)
Maybe it is time for the common man to take to the streets and cleanse them of this filth. there may be a lot of Muslims around but they are still outnumbered and they have no reputation for liking a fair fight.
So much for assimilation. The French can now see that all their efforts have failed.
Anyone waving an Algerian flag should be sent back to Algeria. Same thing for anyone waving a Turkish flag.
That's how grateful the little muslim sons of satan are to be in Europe.
Those people do not belong in Europe.
As I have said, we need to vote in politicians who are willing to do something about muslims and demonstrate to get them deported.
I don't know how instigate it. How do we get millions of people to take to the streets to protest the islamization of Europe? I don't know, but something has got to happen.
Sorry for repeating myself, but unless we show how serious we are nothing will happen.
You know that the takeover is already well in progress when we have to remove statues, bible texts and artwork in order to appease the muslim plague we have invited into our countries.
Frankly I am suprised that the native France citizens have not decided for themselves to take upon the task to kick a few butts around after taking a bigtime defeat.
I agree bigcatgirl. That would seem logical to us.
Problem is, they've all been so emasculated that they also stand idly by while their own women are harassed and even raped by muslim thugs.
They also know that if they kick a few muslim butts that there'll be hell to pay for months afterward. Rioting, burning of cars, hospitals, churches, businesses, etc...Oh, and of course they'll be murdered.
If thousands, or millions, of Frenchmen would stand up and take a stand against these ungrateful, shameless muslim thugs then maybe the law would have to change and give the police a little more authority.
Right now it looks as if the muslims are running the show in France.
Same here in India. Whenever the Indian team plays against pakistan, these bums root for pakistan. If pakistan wins, they let off firecrackers. As far as assimilation is concerned, they cannot do so. They have not assimilted with the Hindus despite living in the subcontinent for the past millenia. They just want to kill all Hindus and take the subcontinent.
Gotta love multiculturalism. The creation of nations within nations.
Perhaps soccer will ignite the next Crusade? Crazier things have happened, but I won't hold my breath.
The French only become violent if it is to protect socialism. Or to headbutt a soccer player. Never to protect their nation.
The French are indeed afraid of the Islamic thugs that have virtually taken over that country.
Unlike the case of the Algerian and Turkish immigrants in France who have migrated, the muslims in India who root for Pakistan have never ever lived in Pakistan. Their native country has always been India. The fact that these muslims identify with Pakistan is because Pakistan is an ISLAMIC republic unlike India (so far). For muslims their Islamic identity supersedes any other loyalty including that of nationality.
Well I was cheering too. Italy beating France - even on penalties - is the next best thing to England beating France.
Zinedine Zidane, headbutter extraordinaire, is of Algerian origin, so I imagine he is not a Bhuddist. I would dearly love to know what Materazzi, the headbuttee said to him. According to the Beeb, "sources in France say it is believed Materazzi insulted Zidane's mother". But perhaps he insulted Mohammed. Good trick.
Actually, French Muslims were rooting heavily for the French team as the team captain (Zinedine Zidane) is of Arab descent and is a Muslim (although apparently non-practicing).
French Muslims Proud of Zidane, Ribery
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2006-07/08/04.shtml
An Italian player (Materazzi) apparently uttered a 'racial' slur at Zidane, to which Zidane responded with a major head butt. Zidane was red-carded and removed from the match, and France ultimately lost to Italy.
Zidane sent off in extra time for headbutt
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5760742?GT1=8393
Because the press so often conflates Islam with 'race', I don't know what the exact slur was. But the AFP story, one fan said "I just want to know what was said to Zizou."
Yes but, PRCS, that would be the ONLY reason that French muslims would have rooted for the French team!!!! Not because they are loyal to France, but to the muslim players! We all know that the majority on that team are not native Frenchmen!
They are muslim, first and foremost. Did they sing the French national anthem? Talk around town is they didn't. They are not loyal to France.
I don't believe that Materazzi made a racial slur. I think that Zidane the Arab is a sore loser.
I am not sure that Zidane is an arab. I read somewhere that he is a member of a nth african tribe conquered by the arabs? a berber although the latter is a guess.
He is also a very rich Muslim(and earned) and you don't find religious fanatacism associated all that often with earned wealth as opposed to inherited wealth.
Arjun ..how many hindus and sikhs are there still stuck in pakistan? Maybe a swap could be arranged for the Muslims in India.
I am NOT being facetious here as it could become very messy in the future with so many muslims.
Seeing as India is in an economic boom and knowing the selfinterest of most people, I cannot see India's muslims moving willlingly.
Zathras,
The number of Hindus, Sikhs and Christians in pakistan is roughly 10000 each. Trouble is, muslims are 13% in India. Too many. I know what you are thinking. It is going to be messy in pakistan. And it is going to be very messy in India as well.
AIG,
Yes, that may be the only reason for their 'loyalty', and I don't know if the Muslim fans were singing the French national anthem. But,I believe that the match was tied in extra time when the altercation occurred. I'm not making excuses for bad behavior, but I can't imagine what Muslims flying Algerian and Turkish flags were celebrating. The Italian win?
Zathras,
He was born in France to Algerian immigrant parents.
For some time, in this age of mass democracies, much has been made of the supposed connection between sports and national well-being, national harmony, national everything. The locus classicus for this belief is, no doubt, the boxing match between Max Schmeling and Joe Louis. Schmeling was a Nazi (airbrushed out after the war), and when Joe Louis knocked him out, this was a nice punch in the nose, American tenement-style, American no-nonsense Spike-Jones style ("Ven Der Fuehrer says, Ve ist der Master Race, ve heil, heil [sound of raspberries by Spike Jones and his sidemen] right in Der Fuehrer's face/Not to luff Der Fuehrer is a great disgrace/Zo ve heil, heil, right in Der Fuehrer's face") and all over America, not only in those parts of Brooklyn that Rick advises Major Strasser not to go to if he knows what's good for him, when Schmeling could not get off the mat, there was much mafeking.
It continued during the Cold War, when the Soviet bloc nations decided that the performance of their athletes was a matter of the highest state policy, and when even a Soviet figure-skating trainer could have his doctoral dissertation on the subject
stamped "Zasekrechennaya Rabota." (Secret Stuff, don't let the Americans find out). Remember the count of Gold and Silver and Bronze medals, during and just after every damned Olympics, where one would add up the Russians, and the East Germans, and the Czechs, and the rest of the Warsaw Pact nations, and then compare them to the NATO nations, and then of course one would also compare, directly, the mighty Soviet Union with the mighty United States. Idiotic, but there it was -- taken to somehow be a reflection on the worth of Communism, or of Capitalism.
And more recently, the performance of some athletes from minority groups, especially those that are held to be disaffected, has been endowed with a significance that it just does not have. It was silly to claim, in 1998, that the excellence of Zidane as a member of the French National Team meant something. It was taken as such. All kinds of statements were made, by all kinds of people, from Chirac on down, as to the symbolic significance of this act. Somehow the hostility of Muslims toward Infidels and the Infidel nation-state would go away, and the alarm and fury over Muslim behavior would also dissipate. All because of someone born in Marseille of Algerian (Berber?) parents, who could kick a ball better than others.
It was and is vulgar nonsense, but typical of the sentimentality and stupidity of the age. So one may be glad of several things. Had Zidane remained in the game, had he been responsible for a French win, the whole business of "this brings France together" and "now we are one" (as idiotic as that "we are the world" business of multi-millionaire rock stars, pretending to do good by raising money -- but never quite shelling out themselves, as they so easily could) would have been on display. And since the level of stupidity everywhere is rising, this "victory for France and for the French, the old French and the new French" would have been on the airwaves and in the newspapers, and people are dumb enough to like that sort of thing, to accept it, to repeat it, and think that a ball kicked once, or perhaps twice, or even three times, by someone named Zidane, in the right game, proves something about the ability of France to absorb large numbers of Muslim immigrants, proves that there really is no problem. Treve de betises. Time out to think a little bit.
Politically, the outcome of the game was satisfactory. Zidane behaved badly, and in a most public way, and helped cause the French loss. How many Muslims in France cared about what happened to the French team is unclear. Certainly those described in the article above, hovering in the shop-shadows of the Champs-Elysees in order to pounce on any non-Muslim who looked vulnerable enough, either for loot or simply for the fun of beating up non-Muslims, would hardly be expected to care if the French team lost or won. The most impressive figure on the French side was not any of the players, but the thoughtful, elegant Mr. Domenech, the coat-and-tied coach.
As for Italy, two players stick in my mind. Not Fabio Grosso, not Gattuso, not Luca Toni. One is Buffon, the portiere or goalkeeper. His father was a famous soccer player as well; his mother, one of le signorine buonasera, on the Italian state television in the days when there were only two channels, when these ladies (the news announcers, or mezzibusti, were always male in those days) would, just after the earliest newscast or telegiornale, announce the evening's programs, hour by hour: "Alle venti due vi presenteremmo..." and so on through the evening's offerings, ending with "Buon ascolto. Buona serata.").
The second is Materazzi, for whom I have only one question: What was it you said to Zidane?
We're all dying to know.
Well, I had a good look at the players and their names, and I think that ZZ was the only muslim on the team -- and he's definately appostate.
I'm amused how every time there is one country's passivity reported upon, the posters here gang up on that one country. What's amusing is that the general populations of ALL Western countries have shown themselves to be passive wimps in the face of Muslim jihadofascists. England is just as wimpy as France, just as wimpy as Holland, as Denmark, as Spain, as Italy, as the USA, as Canada, as Australia. The only exception has been a tiny exception in the larger scheme of things: the Cronulla riots, but that was isolated and roundly condemned and for the most part apologized for.
Those Cronulla riots (or comparable acts of Fallacian "Rage and Pride") should have been replicated a hundred times over not only in Australia but throughout Europe, the US, and Canada by now. But no, it will take several more major attacks, and perhaps hundreds of thousands of mass-murders of Infidels before common sense revives the nadless Western people.
Sad to say TV that countries like the UK, Canada and the US are as bad as France in Dhimmism. France is just easier to hate because, well its France.
Zidane is a Berber.
Falling Prophet,
Their names may be French, but did you have a good LOOK at the players?
French names can be acquired easily enough, just like Russians have bought German names.
Americans can have their names changed too, you just need a lawyer and a few hundred bucks.
France will never forgive the US and Britain for saving it twice. No good deed ever goes unresented.
People here have been complaining that many Western nations are on a guilt trip. As far as that goes, France seems less inclined to feel guilty than many. Saul Bellow had his fictionalized Allan Bloom comment in a novel that he liked the French "for their wickedness". Well he might.
France blocked action on Iraq by the US as far as it could and extruded a load of sanctimonious twaddle about the UN. Did France pass things through the UN before intervening in the Ivory Coast when it thought it was in its interest to do so? Who even knows what is going on there? The French maintain a virtual news blackout.
If France fell for the idea of Eurabia it wasn't guilt, it was ignorance and arrogance - sheer over-reach and failure to understand it had bitten off more than it could chew.
All I mean to say is that if they now have French names they must feel that they benefit from them in some way.
Look how Mohammed Ali changed his name from Cashus Clay and many, many others who have changed their names for whatever reasons.
TV, I agree with you about all countries but Australia. Given that in Cronulla, you had random people go out and protest against the vandalizing of the beach and no organization behind it, I don't see how that could have been apologized for. The protesters were in no position to keep from being condemned, but I don't see how they could have apologized. Besides, I'd be interested to know whether Muslims there are as belligerent now as they were before, or whether they have read the writing on the wall. Anybody?
We, french, cant react. Why ? Beacause the first one who do, will be a :
- Racist
- facist
- Xenophobe
- Islamophobe.
the consequences : trials over trials that will ruin you. Your reputation down in the gutter : cant find a job and everybody loath you. They'll even wait for you and kick your ass outside your home.
And as a french socialist elected once said to cops being beaten down :
"It's juste their way of expressing themselves !"
"I think that ZZ was the only muslim on the team..."
-- from a posting above
No. Ribery married a maghrebine, and converted (reverted) to Islam, and Muslims are delighted to see him, arms uplifted, pray to Allah before games. It validates their sense of rightness, their sense of inexorable ultimate triumph.
Can't say it happened to a more deserving country
Zidane is a Kabyle. The rumour in Italy is that Matarazzi called him a "terrorist". So, to prove his disgust at being taken to be a terrorist, he became violent. Whether he is a practicing Muslim or not, we recognize the pattern.
Anyway, Zidane is that kind of player. His talent was and still is prodigious, but his temper is always grumpy and cheerless and occasionally explosive. This is hardly the first time that he beccomes violent on the field.
Television...you must judge the Cronulla riots by the size here of the Muslim population and by what actaully happened and just how the average australian responded. Not by the effluent that the media poured over it all to dampen down the flames.
It was a direct Muslim vs nonmuslim conflict and it was started by the muslims. It rapidly escalated out of control over a couple of days but died very suddenly.
Why it died had NOTHING to do with the government or the media. It died BECAUSE of the widespread community anger and the demonstrated willingness of it to do something, whether the state approved or not.
However this is NOT a eulogy to the Australian psyche but a simple demonstration that the numbers of muslims here are still far too low to move from jihad 1 to jihad 2 and the community response brought a very quick response from those imams who had been egging their sheep on days before and who themselves damped it down and NOT the state who seemed very concerned with gaoling as many nonmuslims as possible and not all all conceredn with catching the violent muslims.
The violence will return, of course, but they have had just a little of the cockiness and some of the certainty of the ease removed. 5-10 years is my guess about just how much time we have before it does.
....................
Sport is supposedly sublimated warfare anyway so nationalism and violence are to be expected.
We, french, cant react. Why ? Beacause the first one who do, will be a :
- Racist
- facist
- Xenophobe
- Islamophobe.
the consequences : trials over trials that will ruin you. Your reputation down in the gutter : cant find a job and everybody loath you. They'll even wait for you and kick your ass outside your home.
And as a french socialist elected once said to cops being beaten down :
"It's juste their way of expressing themselves !"
Posted by: LeGaule at July 10, 2006 01:34 PM
LeGaule I understand what you are saying.
As I mentioned above, the French know what would await them if they even tried to fight back.
I'll add a few. Murders, imprisonment, fines to pay for making "racist" statements, rapes of French girls and women...and on and on.
Why? Because no one in the government is willing to do what is necessary to STOP the insanity!
What is needed is mass demonstrations!
But, I don't mean just a FEW Frenchmen, I mean millions. If the French can take to the streets by the millions to protest other issues, like employment laws, what is keeping them (or ANY OF US in the Western World for that matter?) from taking to the streets in demonstrations against this obviously dangerous invasion? It is an invasion.
LeGaule, islam is not a race.
It is true, not only the French are surrendering to the muslim invasion! We all are.
Hugh, how on earth do you know so many things? Anyway, thanks for spoiling my day. To my eyes, Ribery looked the most 'French' player on the pitch -- a true Gaul, no less.
Ribery, what a chump!
What is needed ARE mass demonstrations!
Not "is".
Oh yay! Time to stop drinking in the evenings.
PRCS above kindly provided a link (www.islamonline.com) that tells you more about Franck Ribery.
Zathras,
"Why it died had NOTHING to do with the government or the media. It died BECAUSE of the widespread community anger and the demonstrated willingness of it to do something, whether the state approved or not."
This would seem to make sense only if the Cronulla rioters thought they were successful in whatever they were doing. Perhaps they were, but it still seems to be an excessively restrained response (and certainly unequaled anywhere else in the Wimpy West) to the jihad perpetrated by Muslims through their attrition by stillicide punctuated regularly with violent outrages and adding insult to injury through various means including expression of wounded feelings, blatant taqiyya, plausible denial, demands for more accomodation and sensitivity, offensive Da'wa based on supremacist psychology, veiled and no-so-veiled disdain for Western values, etc.
AIG/
Either
"What are needed are mass demonstrations"
or
"What is needed is a mass demonstration"
or
>i>"What is needed is a series of mass demonstrations"
Simple singular/plural agreement to a verb, noun, subject or object.
Dominic.
Damn, should have proofread that last post of mine. Sorry.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at July 10, 2006 02:47 PM
Sorry Professorsan.
I'm with the disaffected youths on this one, sorry!
Damn, should have proofread that last post of mine. Sorry.
Sod's law of pedantry - when pointing out a misteak in someone else's grammar, you make one yourself.
I put one in deliberately then, like a Muslim carpet weaver who doesn't want to challenge the perfection of Allah.
Hugh, how on earth do you know so many things?
I'd have thought that soccer would be one of the few things that Hugh doesn't know about. So that's one fewer. (Not one less.) In fact there is probably only one thing that Hugh doesn't know, and none of us knows what that is.
When Britain, which we've been recently reminded "does not belong to the British, but to allah", completes the transformation to an islamic state, and the pubs are destroyed and football is outlawed, what will the lads do for sport?
By the way, ditto on praise for Buffon. The man was / is amazing. To me, the last-fraction-of-a-second save and denial of Zidane's header was THE highlight of the match.
For the past while I've shifted my perception of the masses of muslims arriving in Europe from that of 'immigration' to that of 'colonization'. It truly is just that. Mosques being built en masse, paving the way for more worshipers, making it even more palatable for the non-assimilated to ram themselves down Europe's throat...thousands arriving by boat, creating a crisis. I am quite certain that those in power in the lands these people leave do nothing to dissuade them from leaving. And what does Europe do? Send the boat back? Deny benefits and medical attention? Perish the thought. The 'morals' of the West are allowing those without morals to chip away at the stone, bit by bit.
We all know what is coming. It it horrendous to have to say that in the coming years there will be a massive loss of life, but this is what I firmly believe.
I wonder if Franck Ribery, a revert to 'noble Islam' is aware of Ms. Nazra Quarishi's Letter to the Editor this past week:
http://lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060705/OPINION02/607050335&
Islam or death
I read Le Roy Barnett's letter ("Muslims, speak up," June 26) about Muslims' opinion on Abdul Rahman's conversion to Christianity.
Islam is not only a religion, it is a complete way of life. Islam guides Muslims from birth to grave. The Quran and prophet Muhammad's words and practical application of Quran in life cannot be changed.
Islam is a guide for humanity, for all times, until the day of judgment. It is forbidden in Islam to convert to any other religion. The penalty is death. There is no disagreement about it.
Islam is being embraced by people of other faiths all the time. They should know they can embrace Islam, but cannot get out. This rule is not made by Muslims; it is the supreme law of God.
Please do not ask us Muslims to pick some rules and disregard other rules. Muslims are supposed to embrace Islam in its totality.
Nazra Quraishi
East Lansing
For the past while I've shifted my perception of the masses of muslims arriving in Europe from that of 'immigration' to that of 'colonization'.
posted by anathema.
You are right. It is a colonization. The muslim immigrants will not assimilate. Their main goal is to bring Western civilization under Islamic rule!
Remember this: Islam is not a "race". It is not a "religion".
It is a doctrine. It is a death cult.
Like Naziism. Like Communism. This is not a true religion.
They use "religion" as a means to spread their evil doctrine. They receive protection under the law, like hiding under skirts, as a religion, that is no religion at all.
If nobody knows what Hugh doesn't know, doesn't it imply that he knows? Soft of like a tree falling in a forest while nobody was there...
Okay, so soccer is eliminated. So how much does Hugh (not) know about cricket (the game, not the insect)? That I'd like to find out.
Zidane is a Berber (easy to tell by his pale and prominent European features) and a lax Muslim. He married a French woman and gave his children non-Muslim names. He has very little loyalty towards Algeria, the Arabs, or even Islam. I'm sure the only reason why he still identifies as a Muslim is so his extended family will still talk to him. But since he's a superstar and a non-native Frenchman, the left tries to exploit his fame for their own cultural Marxist ends. He's not a bad guy.
Looks like you can take the boy out of Algiers, but you can't take Algiers out of the boy.
Well what if cair did this themselves as a pr stunt.
And p.s. soccer sucks, NHRA rules. 325mph in 5 seconds, now thats balls.
head-butt ('hed.b°t)
1. French tactical approach to their inevitable/congenital losses in hope of averting same. 2. Symbolic word representation of the anatomical proximity for those features among many Frenchmen.
Yes, all "Americans" (and this term is used loosely), should be able to offer prayers...
Prayers for what? To kill infidels? In their houses of whoreship?
What is the difference, in islam, between "worship" and "whoreship"?
We don't want to know MORE about islam. Get that through your thick skulls.
"Ibrahim" Hooper needs to take his outreach efforts and shove them where the sun don't shine! “All Americans should be able to offer prayers in their houses of worship without fear of attack or intimidation,” said CAIR Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper. “We urge Muslims in Maine to increase their outreach efforts to educate people of other faiths about Islam.”
Yes, all "Americans" (and this term is used loosely), should be able to offer prayers...
Prayers for what? To kill infidels? In their houses of whoreship?
What is the difference, in islam, between "worship" and "whoreship"?
We don't want to know MORE about islam. Get that through your thick skulls.
"Ibrahim" Hooper needs to take his outreach efforts and shove them where the sun don't shine!
Symbolic word representation of the anatomical proximity for those features among many Frenchmen.
Jsla, the two may be closer than you think, and not just among les grenouilles. This may - or may not - interest you.
If nobody knows what Hugh doesn't know, doesn't it imply that he knows? Soft of like a tree falling in a forest while nobody was there...
If there is one thing that Hugh doesn't know, and nobody else knows it, then it is something that cannot be known. If there's something he doesn't know that somebody else knows, then it is probably something very trivial, for example where the number 43 bus goes or the colour of George Galloway's leotard on Celebrity Big Brother.
“Youths waving flags - not French or Italian but Algerian and Turkish - ran around shouting and cheering....”
Of course being Muslims, I suppose it’s entirely possible they thought France (and its Muslim players) had actually WON, when the Italians withdrew from the field at the end of the match. Sort of like when Hamas proclaimed victory recently after the Israeli’s withdrew from Gaza:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/012154.php
Here's Hugh's website. He's not just another pretty face. As smart as me, and almost as good looking.
www.hughfitzgerald.com
could I throw some more opinions into the pot:
riot police were deployed in France and Italy last night, with the Italian 'Ultras' (bloods and crips for our American friends) out in force.
Zidane's sending off has more to do with a concerted strategy by the Latin (Portugal, Italy), Balkan (Croatia) and Muslim (Iran) countries to psych their opponents out using whispered words, false claims of injury etc. I.e. the pursuit of getting your opponents carded as a tactic to win the game.
Foehammer (and others) are nearer the mark than they think quoting soccer as a potential source of crusaders. Unfortunately, the far right exploited that idea and combined skinheads with hooligans with storm troopers (UK hooligans, Italian Ultras, Polish hooligans etc). But look at it, 100,000+ English fans parading the Crusader Cross throughout the tournament and across the country.
Well the French have a new weapon : headbutting.
Headbutting is actually an old Scottish greeting, still practiced today.
I'm German (at least that's what my passport/id-card says, I support England and West Ham but I was always in awe of Zinedine Zidane because I've played football myself.
It says a lot about France when muslims are able to attack football supporters without anyone fighting back. I know we Europeans have become softies (thanks to our governments and the EU) but they would not dare to do that in England.
Whenever West Ham United play their home matches the muslims who live near the ground (and they're quite a few of them out there) tend to keep a low profile and disappear altogether. A few hours after the match they reappear and when you walk down Green Street at 8 in the evening you'd think you're in Karachi. We're still the majority... but how much longer?
disillusioned: Fantastic combo, West Ham and England. You're right about Upton Park, but don't worry, West Ham's sense of Englishness has never been stronger (we still made multiple world cup players, past and present). What you may not have seen are the vast number of Cross of St.Georges that have been flying across England. All the elements are there (Crusader emblem, English patriotism, the Cross) to harness that energy against radical Islam.
Interested -- Quoth the MGM Lion (or nearly): "Arse Gratia Artis".
It seems like you're turning a little cheeky lately? I'm not completely clear on one thing the Dermatologist said: "if you look at your face in the mirror, then look at your buttocks, your face will look about ten years older. " Is it an after that because of that kind of thing, or did the face already look ten years older and the looking at the buttocks had nothing to do with it? Or does each looking compound the age by ten years? I've not done it yet, so I wouldn't know... but I'd like to get to the bottom of it before I even try.
Anyway, on a completely related point pertaining to the French: Remember when Mr. ("As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure") Chirac quipped that France would be ready to use nuclear weapons against any state which launched any terrorist attack against her? I note they still resist the resistance to Jihad with great fanfare and zest. It seems to be a French fundament that stern bums can tail behind and always will, parfaitement!
I never meant to imply that Zidane himself had expressed much interest in Islam. It was the use of him as a symbol, a sports hero whose Algerian background was exploited by French political figures, such as Chirac, to make all kinds of pronouncements and assumptions about France and the ability of much ofits Muslim population to fully integrate, to become French (without changing, as Tariq Ramadan wishes to achieve, the definition of "French" and of "French history" and of "French laws" and "French customs" and "French civilization"). That takes place whether or not Zidane is devout or indifferent, or somewhere in-between. Of course, were he to declare himself a Kabyle patriot, a great reader of Kateb Yacine, a supporter of Kurdish autonomy (to start with), that would change things.
As to the website to which a link is given above by "somethingaboutislam" in a leg-pulling spirit, which I just looked at --
Magari.
Interested--
Is the Number 43 the bus that goes to Islington, and stops at Camden Passage, where there used to be a print store specialising in caricatures, Gilray, Rowlandson, Cruikshank, and all kinds of lesser Napoleonic-Wars-era stuff, and nearby was a restaurant which, in the summer of 1978, was famous far beyond Islington, and from which I saw fittingly emerge, as I walked by, a contentedly belching Robert Morley?
This delightfully oblivious tidbit from the Guardian:
Zidane was provoked, says agent
Zinedine Zidane's chestbutt on Marco Materazzi was "provoked" by a comment from the Italy defender, according to the player's agent. And, while Alain Migliaccio did not know what Materazzi said, he confirmed that Zidane would reveal the exact nature of the comments soon.
The former French captain was sent off in the World Cup final - his last game before retirement - after driving his head into the chest of Materazzi in extra-time. But Zidane's agent, Migliaccio, claims Materazzi insulted Zidane, the French-born son of Algerian immigrants.
"He was very sad for everything that happened but this is life," said Migliaccio. "He is a human being not a god. Materazzi said something very grave to him, I don't know what it was. I know Zizou well and he will not reveal what Materazzi said to him but he will in one or two days' time explain why he had such a reaction. When I saw him at 2am he was very sad, he didn't want to end his career like this. He is a person that doesn't say much but bottles it up and then one day explodes."
In an odd twist, Fifa awarded the 34-year-old the Golden Ball as the player of the tournament...
http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2006/story/0,,1817268,00.html
"O Sun, to tell thee how I hate thy beams..."
LOL
He probally said ; Marco to Zinedine go ahead you surrender monkey!
Sorry 'bout the small-talk!
I've seen the Flags, Albion, I was in the UK for the F.A. Cup Semi, the Spurs home-match and the F.A. Cup Final.
I've had a Cross of St. George on my window until England went out against Portugal. At least the English have a cross in their flag - unlike the French!
I don't think Zidane is your "average" muslim either. He's a genius who has been misused for political purposes. I've seen him on TV chatting to Chirac yesterday and he didn't look that comfortable.
If I ever wanted another French player to play for the Hammers it would be Zidane (we had Schemmel who wasn't bad but no Zidane).
I'm not a big fan of anything French (on the contrary) but they do have some great players... Henry, Vieira and Thuram spring to mind. What they lack is the spirit - they're probably the most dhimmified nation in the world (mainly thanks to their spineless politicians).
Soccer- yawn.
It seems to be a French fundament
Here in The Smoke we call it the Londonderry Air.
Is the Number 43 the bus that goes to Islington
Wrong. It's the bus that goes from Islington, either to London Bridge or Muswell Hill.
chatting to Chirac yesterday and he didn't look that comfortable...
Now there's a head butt.
I confess (guiltily) I had hopes of a new "Soccer War" starting after yesterday's World Cup events.
No such luck.
Paolo: "terrorist" was my guess too, since it must be the easiest adrenaline-induced curse for folks of Zidane's seeming extraction (and temperament, it turns out). A "mother slur" seems too pat for today's high-charged confrontations, too common, almost naive, for the kind of response it got. It had to be something novel, scandalous, really confrontational--and a racial/ethnic slur was improbable: Zidane doesn't look Arab or black; on the contrary. He looks like many males in the Mediterranean space, and I kind of feel sorry for poor Materazzi's mental short-circuit because of cognitive impasse: he's like us, yet he's not.
Plus the word "terrorist" is practically the same in all Latinate languages (it must be a similar neologism in Arabic) I doubt Zizane understands Italian racial/ethnic slurs, and I doubt Materazzi delivered such a slur in French.
Did everybody like my synonym buns?
I doubt Zizane understands Italian racial/ethnic slurs, and I doubt Materazzi delivered such a slur in French.
On ITV they said that Zidane does speak Italian and that it looked as if Materazzi "tweaked his nipple".
I've no idea if either of these statements is true. But a bit of well-timed nipple-tweaking together with an amorous sweet nothing might well have put the wind up Zidane in a way that nothing else could.
I know this is a bad analogy, but this incident reminds me of when the U.S. Team was playing in Mexico, and the crowd chanted Osama! Osama! Osama! most of the game.
Classy. Especially from a stadium full of Christians, albeit aboriginal Christians.
610 * 623 * 732* 1066* 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001
These Mexicans apparently forgot that if the American economy goes Sharia, as it very well may, Muftis and Ayatollahs will be running the show, and that means an even more corrupt and impoverished Mexico,without the debauchery to ease the pain.
Idiots.
LeGaule~
Has the whole country given up? or does it just seem that way? Do you think the people are aware of what is happening? Or not?
What will the lads do for sport? - Jihad of course.
anathema~
Colonization is correct. Takfir is the word for it. Emmirating for the purpose of taking over.
And this
Regarding the article about the terror threats in France, is it possible that the head of France's conterterrorism agency is trying to do something about France turning muslim or just trying to stop the violence so the French will think the transition will be peaceful?
It won't be.
Never to protect their nation.
You might want to read a history of WWI before making this statement.
Alarmed Pig Farmer: Even worse considering that most Mexican live in the US these days.
The question is: How many (catholic) Mexicans are actually pro-US and what about border security?
Is it true that the dyes used in the French flag are water soluble in case of an emergency?
'Have to concur with TELEVISION- that the West is mainly curled up into a fetal p.c. state of ineffectual whimperdom -as the Islamic Imperialistic infil-traitors spread their arrogantly corrosive influence throughout the "World of War" (Dar El Harb, or, "Infidel-land").
The Resistance we now see in our countries to the Islamic soft invasion is about at the larval stage of the people in France, England, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, etc., as they roused from p.c. stupor of WW II's initial "Phony War" period. (A condition that effectively lulled the soon-to-be conquered regions of Europe, circa Spring 1940, into a near-fatal passivity.)
Only the "Miracle of Dunkirk" saved England.
We need a spiritual version of that show of unity and will.
Only a near-catastrophe can spur it.
The sooner such a jihadist calamity strikes, the sooner our sleepwalking neighbors will regrow their brains, guts and instincts.
Meanwhile, the Underground Fighters have to be sappers undermining the corpse-mortared walls of the Koran.
Writing things like "No pedophile 'prophets'!" and "MOHAM ends in MAD for a reason!" on the popular subconscious' tabula rasa (when it comes to real knowledge about Islam).
The American WW II-era writer Philip Wylie cursed the dreaming fools that led the disarmed drift into the global disaster of fascistic terror in a fine polemical book called "Generation of Vipers".
The current crop is more a "Generation of Worms".
May they be cast off soon.
You must admit, Zidane is incredibly stupid. He got taken by the crafty Italians, and he realizes it now.
It was only a few more minutes before penalty kicks in the second overtime period. Zidane is the best penalty kicker in the business. The Italians, historically, have not had luck with penalty kick shoot-outs. It was looking dim for Italy as penalty kicks were almost certain.
So the trap was set. Meterazzi was sent to take Zidane out of the game. So he created an incident in which words would be exchanged. Then the insult sure to cause a reaction. Meterazzi drops to the floor on cue. When the referee didn't see it, it looked like the plot didn't work. So the Italian goalkeeper, who was in on it and watched it from a far distance, rushes to the ref to point it out. The ref consults another ref who did see it, and the plot succeeds.
Zidane is ejected.
This was not a shot in the dark for the Italians. They knew it had a good chance of working. The Italians were betting that Zidane would do that because he once gave a violent headbutt in 2001 to another player in a Champions League match, which gave him a concussion. He also attacked a Saudia player player with his cleats in another altercation. The Italians felt he could be provoked to violence with the right prompting.
So the penalty kicks come. Naturally, one french player screws up his penalty kick - a penalty kick that Zidane would have put in easily. And France loses.
So you know what happened here? The Christian Italians took a page out of the Koran and used it on muslim Zidane. War is deceit.
Did everybody like my synonym buns?
Posted by: jsla at July 10, 2006 09:38 PM
We loved 'em, you clever devil!
disillusioned_german. any alien in any souverain country should be removed. With force if nesserary. If a citizen is not loyal to their home country they should be deported to their former home place.PC ism is killing all natitions whom strive for freedom.
APF, WW I was a long time ago. But my use of the word Never was to circumstances, not to chronology.
In any case, the issue is not one of the French military, they do what they are ordered to do. The issue is one of the French people, en masse. The man on the street. You never hear of Frenchman taking to the streets to defend France, Christianity, or their culture from any invaders.
When you hear about violent Frenchmen in France, it is invariably about some socialist protest about wages.
Interested
Wow! Sorry for "Zizane."
What a grand slip! In neogreek "zizania"--plural of zizanion--means "arguments," "quarrels," "intrigues,"
"discord." It's part of the, shall we say, cultural heritage of Istanbul's Greek collaborators and profitteers in the Ottoman Empire.
Scouting my homebase, Eastern European press, it seems the "terrorist" word carries the day. I'd bet my penny on the perfect channels of communication between Italy and South-Eastern European underworldsh.
AIG, if you're still awake:
Religion is absolute doctrine--and therefore ideology--by definition. It's about tennets and beliefs deemed immutable and eternal by faith and not evidence.
Check out the formulations of Christian dogmas in the heady times of Contantine's reign.
Get a grip. Lose your naivete. That's not where the struggle is.
Interested
Wow! Sorry for "Zizane."
What a grand slip! In neogreek "zizania"--plural of zizanion--means "arguments," "quarrels," "intrigues,"
"discord." It's part of the, shall we say, cultural heritage of Istanbul's Greek collaborators and profitteers in the Ottoman Empire.
Scouting my homebase, Eastern European press, it seems the "terrorist" word carries the day. I'd bet my penny on the perfect channels of communication between Italy and South-Eastern European underworldsh.
AIG, if you're still awake:
Religion is absolute doctrine--and therefore ideology--by definition. It's about tennets and beliefs deemed immutable and eternal by faith and not evidence.
Check out the formulations of Christian dogmas in the heady times of Contantine's reign.
Get a grip. Lose your naivete. That's not where the struggle is.
A little late but better than never(that does assume much)
Sorry about the length but the detail is essential
Television quote: “This would seem to make sense only if the Cronulla rioters thought they were successful in whatever they were doing. Perhaps they were, but it still seems to be an excessively restrained response”
I disagree with this statement totally
Again, apparently, I put my point over poorly or else, you miss it.
It makes no difference WHAT sort of a response you think that there was. The fact is it was MUCH GREATER than the Muslims anticipated and while the Cronulla attack was certainly not a preconceived or planned one, there had been a marked increase in Muslim aggression over the last 5-10 years towards all nonMuslims in Oz and no sign of ANY retaliation, either from the people or from the law. This apparent lack of either the desire or the ability to confront the violence showed the Muslims that we were just as inadequate in the face of Islamic violence as were all other westerners and naturally this spurred it on even more.
But what the Muslims did NOT know was that there had been a steady rise in the anger baseline in virtually ALL Australians, politicians and lefties excluded. Nothing was done about this anger but IF you talked to the average Australian at ANY level, in any city, and brought the subject up, anger and frustration was not far below.( I actually did this myself and was amazed at the level).
So, it was apparent to me that we were sitting on a powder keg. Not a large one, mind you, but a most definite antiMuslim one. However because of the silent nature of this anger there was almost no way that Muslims here could become aware of it as our "racial vilification" laws have made certain that in Oz, racism is almost purely a disease of nonMuslim whites.
Hence the Muslims felt very secure and relaxed about it all and even the noxious Muslim rape cases here were seen as evidence of our weakness as despite their crimes these muslim youths were treated fairly by the courts. Most Muslims here, despite the large amount of nauseating evidence refused to even consider that these disgusting animals could be guilty and saw it as a frame and the decent treatment that they received confirmed it(by their standards not ours).
So their radical imams saw no reason not to push their Muslim youths’ anger and violence even further by their usual mosque rants(many if not most if these youths were Australian born but already suffering from madrassa alienation ). This made the step from jihad 1 (groaning ,moaning and pushing for rights) slide into jihad 2 (open if carefully provoked violence + more of the above but more aggressively so) very easy to take but in reality far too early going by the size of the Muslim population here.
Now we have some sacred traditions here and the lifesaver is one of them. He is an icon of the male bonding ideal and he spends his spare time on the beach trying to make it safe for the many fools who venture onto the beach, and believe me, there are many of these. His word or his advice have always been law on the beach and although I am sure that there is no legal binding on this, everyone pay attention and provides respect as these young fellows deserve it. They also have policed the beaches for decades and removed unruly elements. Again this is probably not on any legal basis but nevertheless was respected by ALL including the police.
So the lifesaver was simply doing his duty in the tried and accepted way, by asking the Muslim yobs, to either behave or leave. The attack on the lifesaver was seen here as akin to how an attack upon the royal family in the UK would be perceived and the community anger level went through the ceiling.
This massive and widespread surge in antiMuslim anger really shocked and worried the muslim community here as they had seen their position of arrogance as untouchable and very secure. Now, all over Sydney people who had never thought of saying anything before were calling ALL Muslims undesirables and openly so and any Muslim who did not have 20x1 number advantages kept a very low profile in public. There was surprisingly little antiMuslim violence but the anger was what scared them.
This shock has caused a major downturn in mosque rhetoric and the whole Muslim community has slid back into its usual shell and the Muslim violence factor has decreased markedly. They still hate us but they will not move again (accidents excepted) until they have much greater numbers and that will take from 5 to 10 years. Naturally this does NOT apply to the true jihadists who will never relent until in the arms of their 72 virgins.
That was what I meant. Now do you understand? They are FRIGHTENED by the application of return violence. They are BULLIES!! It does not take much so long as it is enough although France will have to hit harder as will the UK(hence the BNP) as they have left it so late.
Zathras,
EXACTLY how they are kept in check in India. Fear of mob retaliation. Violence is the only language they understand, and then they go down, and the mosque speakers have low volumes, until they think that they have the numbers, then they start on one of their rampages.
"This massive and widespread surge in antiMuslim anger really shocked and worried the muslim community here as they had seen their position of arrogance as untouchable and very secure."
.....
"This shock has caused a major downturn in mosque rhetoric and the whole Muslim community has slid back into its usual shell and the Muslim violence factor has decreased markedly. They still hate us but they will not move again (accidents excepted) until they have much greater numbers and that will take from 5 to 10 years."
-- from a posting above
Exactly. There is a detectable drawing back, here and there -- see Tariq Ramadan's new approach to keeping the lid on things, urging Muslims to work "within the system" and vote, vote, vote, not because he thinks they should accept the legal and political institutions of the Infidels permanently, but so that the Muslism in Europe should behave in a manner that will permit the continued, uninterrupted, and largely unremarked campaigns of Da'wa and of course the inexorable demographic changes.
What should Infidels do? Inform themselves fully about the tenets, attitudes, and atmospherics of Islam (atmospherics that affect even those who never go to mosques). Learn something about Jihad-conquest and the treatment of non-Muslims, from Spain to the East Indies, over 1350 years. Work "within the system" to force a halt to all Muslim immigration, the deportation of all non-citizens, and a reworking of naturalization requirements so that they include evidence of knowledge of a nation's history, political and legal system, and culture, and make clear that a loyalty oath will be necesary, and if that oath is perjured, it will be grounds for swift deportation at any point -- to the country of one's origins or of one's parents or grandparents.
Stop the Saudi funding of mosques and madrasas by making such financial backing from abroad illegal. Never give in to a single Muslim demand for changes in curricula, or in any other aspect of the schools. Do nothing to make the economic condition of likely supporters of Jihad, or defenders of the belief-system of which Jihad is a natural and central part, better -- either through Infidel-funded benefits, or through patronizing of goods and services.
Vote up-and-down on candidates based on their awareness of the menace of Jihad, so that those inclined to curry Muslim votes will be defeated early on by all those who will vote against them for that very currying. Keep educating yourself and others (make a point, each week, of telling five people about this website, for example -- perhaps one of the five will come, read, and become a regular visitor. In a year that is 52 new visitors. Tell them about other relevant websites and books. Demand that your local library stock such books.
Keep after the politicians. Educate them, or educate, if you can get to, their young staff members on whom they often rely.
Don't let up.
And the more supporters of Jihad, and of its various instruments, in the Lands of the Infidels feel this new understanding, the less likely it is that they will be an obvious threat through bullying, street demonstrations and violence, that sort of thing. That's good. But it is the non-obvious threats -- Da'wa and demographic conquest -- that are most worrisome. Those must not be forgotten, must be constantly emphasized.
Stop the Saudi funding of mosques and madrasas by making such financial backing from abroad illegal. .
From a posting above
Seiously, just how is this possible in the USA when the Bush family and administration have their hopes aligned with that of saudi oil whose profits will continue to avalanche as the price of oil rises.
we have seen that even for a disaster for Muslims, killing hundreds of thousands, the saudis will only give 20 million while the west gave over 8 billion(even Oz gave >800million).
Where will all of this money go if not for madrassas etc, you will find that any attempt to push through legislation in the US will be undermined by bribes, lobby expenses and offers of wellpaid jobs to retiring elder statesmen.
While I lack respect for the US adminstration I do not ordinarily see the US system as corrupt but the money the Saudis have and will have can buy ANYONE it is that powerful a tool and the oil weapon will reinforce this.
The ONLY real chance is to REMOVE the oil weapon by any means, preferably a technological breakthrough.
We had a 4 Corners program last night about the dwindling state of ALL oil supplies and if you think that it is bad now just wait until 2012.
The US energy administration were shown last night to be fools with their heads in the ground over their predictions based upon new fields, all much deepr and harder to extarct which will increase the price..
It is possible that in the next 20 yrs the ME could draw off 50-65% of the world's wealth and who can cope with that degree of wealth?
Your suggestions didn't go far enough Hugh.
Prohibit all politicians from accepting after they leave office funds from middle east consultancies, and prohibit ALL government employees from doing likewise. Just to make sure it's air tight, prohibit them from accepting funds that originate in the middle east, or are tied to petrodollars.
Secondly, prohibit American universities from accepting endowments and donations from non-Americans, and again, prohibit them accepting money that is sourced to the midddle east, or is sourced to petrodollars. This would include barring money from Chavez too.
Prohibit networks that broadcast into the United States from being wholly OR partially owned by citizens of the middle east, or again, from people whose wealth flows from petrodollars.
A Saudi recently purchased a good chunk of Rupert Murdoch's NewsCorps. We need to make that illegal.
BUT RETURNING TO THE SUBJECT of Zidane.
Some questions.
Did Zidane's parents flee Algeria because they cooperated with French authorities prior to the departure of the French?
There were many Algerians who were in the police department, civil services and the army. Many had to flee for their lives when the rebels took over, {I think they were called the OAS, or was it the F... something or other...}. If the Italian player called Zidane a terrorist, when Zidane KNEW that his family fled because they had fought the terrorists, or sided with the French, his sense of outrage might be understandable.
France should never have cut and run from Algeria.
I think that's one of the places where the guerilla mystique was created. And the destruction of that mystique, the destruction of the myth that the "rebel" always wins is as important a war objective as any in Iraq.
It's well to recall, that just as in South Vietnam, where a sweeping majority wanted nothing to do with Communism and the Vietcong, so in Algeria, where a majority wanted nothing to do with the rebels.
The French had popular support, it's just that they were trying to purge a small section of resistance from the citizenry, and as always, that aint easy.
Has Hugh ever posted anything at length on the Franco-Algerian war?
Hugh,
At the risk of exposure as an ignoramus, aren't you being a little tough on Max Schmeling?
Zathras,
I understand your point better; but my opinion still stands.
"That was what I meant. Now do you understand? They are FRIGHTENED by the application of return violence."
Our disagreement would be on the degree of the matter. I'd agree there has been a degree of sober fright on the part of Muslims at the Cronulla reaction. What I disagree about is that Cronulla was sufficient. Much, much more needs to be done and expressed, regularly and vehemently, throughout the West. Most Muslims already believe that Westerners are persecuting them anyway; what difference would it make to their schizoid paranoia if we actually did? But anyway, that's a theoretical question, since the majority throughout the West
1) doesn't have the will
and
2) doesn't think Muslims in general are a threat at all -- indeed, the majority thinks the ones who think Muslims are a general threat are the real threat.
"They still hate us but they will not move again (accidents excepted) until they have much greater numbers and that will take from 5 to 10 years."
This may or may not be true; you are, after all, predicting the future. I think it's more likely that Cronulla will be the last show of Infidel balls in Australia, and that the Muslims will go back to their old ways. (I also think Hugh's apparent expansion of your point here to embrace Muslims throughout the entire West is a bit tenuous: one Cronulla riot is hardly going to affect Muslims in Italy, Spain, France, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Canada, the USA, etc. -- let alone will it have lasting impact on Australia, I think.)
"The US energy administration were shown last night to be fools with their heads in the ground over their predictions based upon new fields, all much deepr and harder to extarct which will increase the price..."
-- from a posting above
Had the American government in 1973 educated itself thoroughly on the oil problem, had it then, in turn, educated the people whom it had a duty to instruct, had it foreseen the inevitable use, by the Arabs and Muslims, of oil revenues to further the Jihad (why would they not do so? what would conceivably lead them not to use money to build mosques and madrasas, to fund vast campaigns of Da'wa in the West, to discourage syncretism among those already islamized in black Africa and southeast Asia, to support an army of Western hirelings to make their case and promote their goals?), and also listened to those who worried about permanent, and irreversible, environmental damage, instead of refusing to put the country's energy policy on a war footing, had this been done, we would not now face civilizational and environmental catastrophe, both essentially to be dealt with through the same lessening, not of "dependence on Middle East oil," but on lowering the overall demand for oil and other fossil fuels, both by encouraging new sources and also by changing the ways in which people behave, what they have been instructed constitutes wellbeing, so often confused with mere rises in the GDP, and in a rise in personal wealth (defined crudely).
Some blame the power of oil companies. They should be blamed. But they are not alone. The Saudi lobby, all those former diplomats and intelligence agents, journalists and heads of academic centers, thrown up by Arab money, especially in such places as Georgetown, and businessmen eager to recycle for themselves, whatever happened to their countries, petrodollars, and public-relations agents, and the usual crew of those who were eager to believe whatever they were told about our "historic ally" (remember FDR with the Saudi king on the carrier), our "staunch ally," our ARAMCO supplier, our "friend" Saudi Arabia. No need to worry about oil supplies, oil pricing, oil anything. Let Saudi Arabia take care of things. You're in good hands -- with Saudi Arabia.
If you seek the results of that policy, look around.
Zathras, did you see "Beyond Tommorrow" and their program about biogas which can power cars and trains, and is made from the entrails of cows?
All is not yet lost.
The post by "interested" wanted to know what was said to upset the French soccer player Zidane...
Materazzi said to Zidane, "You Algerian/Frenchies do not know how to eat pussy!"
The info I've found indicates that Zidane may still be muslim as he is from Algiers and his parents are muslim. However aparently his wife is Christian and he has named his children after Christian soccer/football players. I've heard that the entire French team is muslim. (T/F?)Maybe that is why these young punks are rioting, because the muslim team lost to Italian Catholics.
"Zathras, did you see "Beyond Tommorrow" and their program about biogas which can power cars and trains, and is made from the entrails of cows?"
Biogas can be made from just about anything. One can make it from the waste leaves and twigs that we spend so much to clean and dispose. Being put in a gasifier, they power vehicles. And this technology dates back to WWII. Some areas of Scandinavia were virtually on biogas driven vehicles. And fuel is easy to come by. Just pick up the dry leaves and fill your gasifier. Google around and you will find several vehicles including tractors being powered by this. This technology was shelved because the crude from middle east was coming over anyway. But still, I fail to comprehend why such a fuel, that is so readily available, was thrown away for crude.
Biogas can also be made from the waste of animals. The plants are cheap to make, install and run. Again, the technology is old, but is not applied freely. Basically, everything organic that decays produces product gas or methane. This is a fuel. I would not go looking for entrails to put in the tank of my vehicle, the stuff does decay, but I doubt my gasifier can 'stomach' it.
I got it! These French gangs that are cheering aren't cheering the fact that France lost, they are cheering the fact that a muslim publicly head-butted a Christian who "insulted" him on world wide TV.
1) I also saw several "Frenchmen" waving Algerian flags for Pt television. The reporter was almost attacked by the "French" (magrebine) mob, and he made sure the audience realised that these "Frenchmen" were the same kind that set France ablaze a few months ago
2) Materazzi probably insulted Zidane's mother. So what? That sort of thing happens in EVERY football game. The guy with more cold blood usually claims the victory for himself. Zidane was an idiot just like Rooney was an idiot. Same thing, diferent press (thank God for that!).
3) Why is it that France is always carried by FIFA in EVERY single competition? I have never seen any other team getting as many penalties... It happened against us in the 2000 semis, in this year's semis, and it also happened against Italy in the finals. Can France actually win agame without being given a penalty in advance? I doubt it.
4) Congratulations to Italy. They play football like it should be played: with tactical discipline and with flares of great skill.
"aren't you being a little tough on Max Schmeling?"
-- from a posting above
I don't think so. As his recent biographer, David Margolick, notes, long after the war Schmeling attempted to depict himself as far less of a willing instrument of Hitler than he was (and more about that was also discovered).
The Schmeling defense goes like this:
1) Schmeling in 1927 hired a Jewish trainer/promoter, Jack (?) Jacobs, whom he continued to use in his American career.
2) During Kristallnacht Schmeling hid two Jewish boys in his apartment. The Lewin boys then emigrated to America, and avoided being killed.
As to 1), all kinds of people who later turned out to be Nazis or collaborators with them had Jewish business partners, Jewish relatives by marriage, Jewish friends from the old days. Employing Jacobs proves nothing.
As to 2), I am glad that in that case Schmeling behaved well. But as early as 1933, he was asked by Goebbels to serve as an emissary for Hitler, and on his trips to America to deny any mistreatment of Jews -- to play the kind of role that Ilya Ehrenburg played when he was instructed by the NKVD to deny, on his trips to Western Europe, that there was any problem with antisemitism in Russia, even after the killing of assorted Yiddish playwrights and poets.
Was Schmeling a member of the Nazi Party? No one knows. Some people write with great assurance that "Schmeling never joined the Nazi Party." Others write, with equal assurance, that "Schmeling was a member of the Nazi Party."
I consider not all, but most of his behavior, between the years 1933-1945, to have been that of a Nazi. Not the most fanatical or evil, but a run-of-the-mill Nazi. Willing, in one case, to rescue two Jews who were known to him (I think they may have taken boxing lessons from him -- one wonders if they were the same Jewish boys who took instruction in languages from a certain impecunous Russian writer, Vladimir Nabokov) during Kristallnacht.
Am I unfair? After the war, there was all this business of Schmeling's eventually coming for a sentimental reunion with Joe Louis. I am as unimpressed and unmoved by that kind of thing, as I am when I read about some German soldier who comes to meet, and be embraced by, some American, also now in his 70s or 80s, who once fought him in Europe, as Everyone Makes Up.
Some bygones should be bygones. But not if those bygones include fighting for, or otherwise promoting the goals of, Adolf Hitler.
To Borg :
Most people are aware that France has a serious pb with islam. However, they have been told for decades that christianity (I do not entirely disagree)was the cause of all their problems and that islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. Since most people dont have the will to check it out, they just eat it like vanilla cake.
now muslims are numerous enought to become a voting pb. That is why all politics are kissing their asses. All the politics that actually let them in, open arms.
Most of you are aware of this summer issues on children without identification papers in schools : well, they are not asked to leave france, they are paid for it and if they dont want, they are actually prioritised for the inscription. Some parents cant find schools because "their children are little bourgeois".
AIG: I know islam is not a race, just giving basic arguments given by the "right of thought".
Anyway, cheers !
LeGaule: "now muslims are numerous enought to become a voting pb. That is why all politics are kissing their asses. All the politics that actually let them in, open arms."
I think you have there in a nutshell the answer to the somewhat puzzling question as to why it is that Muslims have such a proven track record of overestimating their numbers in any western country (the Palestinian territories included). And the fact that so many western countries refuse to collect census data on this issue (because it would presumably be discriminatory and racist) works strongly in their favor here.
I never could figure that one out though. What would be their incentive in artificially inflating their numbers in the blatant manner in which they do so?
But now I understand. By artificially inflating their numbers (while at the same time resisting any scientific attempts through census data to guage their actual numbers), they manage to exert a real effect on the political process that outweighs their real strength and influence in terms of ACTUAL numbers.
Quite clever really. But when it comes to the Machiavellian arts (plus the total absence of conscience that the practice of such arts requires), Muslims are the masters. No doubt about it.
And no doubt also, that most of them would actually consider that latter statement to be a compliment.