Tiny Minority of Extremists Update from the Jerusalem Post, with thanks to all who sent this in:
An overwhelming majority of Palestinians support the abduction of IDF soldier Cpl. Gilad Shalit and the firing of rockets at Israel, according to a public opinion poll published on Sunday by the Jerusalem Media Communications Center.The poll, which was conducted shortly after the kidnapping, also showed that 70 percent of Palestinians believe that Hamas should not release Shalit until Israel agrees to free Palestinian prisoners.
The poll covered 1,197 people over age 18 and was held on the basis of face-to-face interviews. More than half of those polled were from the Gaza Strip, where Shalit is being held.
A majority of the respondents, 77.2%, expressed support for the Hamas operation that included the abduction of Shalit, while only 21.7% said they opposed it.
Also, a majority of 66.8% supported the continuation of such attacks aimed at kidnapping Israeli soldiers, compared with 30.7% who rejected them, saying they were harmful to Palestinian national interests.
Significantly, this high support for the abduction comes in spite of the fact that the majority of respondents - 46.7% - expect the crisis to end with losses incurred by the Palestinian side. Moreover, over 60.4% voiced support for the launching of rockets at Israel, while only 36% found them harmful to Palestinian interests.
Drone into peoples heads long enough that their victims. After a while they, their children and others whom have no desire for freedom will follow. Dear uncle says were all victims just keep saying that,over and over and over............
No kidding
If Israel returns all the Arab terrorists they hold in their jails, will this finally be over?
If Israel returns all the Arab terrorists they hold in their jails, and withdraw from all "occupied territories" will this finally be over?
If Israel returns all the Arab terrorists they hold in their jails, and withdraw from all "occupied territories", and cede Jerusalem to the "Palestinians", will this finally be over?
If Israel returns all the Arab terrorists they hold in their jails, and withdraw from all "occupied territories", and cede Jerusalem to the "Palestinians", and surrender their nuclear arsenal, will this finally be over?
If Israel returns all the Arab terrorists they hold in their jails, and withdraw from all "occupied territories", and cede Jerusalem to the "Palestinians", and surrender their nuclear arsenal, and stop receiving aid from the USA, will this finally be over?
If Israel returns all the Arab terrorists they hold in their jails, and withdraw from all "occupied territories", and cede Jerusalem to the "Palestinians", and surrender their nuclear arsenal, and stop receiving aid from the USA, and allow the "right of return" for all the Palestinians, will this finally be over?
If Israel returns all the Arab terrorists they hold in their jails, and withdraw from all "occupied territories", and cede Jerusalem to the "Palestinians", and surrender their nuclear arsenal, and stop receiving aid from the USA, and allow the "right of return" for all the Palestinians, will this finally be over?
If Israel returns all the Arab terrorists they hold in their jails, and withdraw from all "occupied territories", and cede Jerusalem to the "Palestinians", and surrender their nuclear arsenal, and stop receiving aid from the USA, and allow the "right of return" for all the Palestinians, and then surrendered all their sovereign territory to Arab Muslims, will this finally be over?
If Israel returns all the Arab terrorists they hold in their jails, and withdraw from all "occupied territories", and cede Jerusalem to the "Palestinians", and surrender their nuclear arsenal, and stop receiving aid from the USA, and allow the "right of return" for all the Palestinians, and then surrendered all their sovereign territory to Arab Muslims, and passively allowed themselves to be exterminated, will this finally be over?
Naw.
America would then have to return all the Arab terrorists they hold in their jails... You get the picture.
After analysing, the contemptible opinion of the Palestinians, I'm interested to learn their response to this additional question:
"Do you believe that dying by the hand of the Israelis will make you a martyr, and thus be a positive experience as you reap your rewards in Paradise?"
I suspect the majority of respondents would agree with this statement, and I also believe the Israelis, (being a nuclear power notwithstanding) could easily facilitate such an event.
If they ever wonder why the civilized world looks at them with contempt all they have to do is look back on their actions and their leaders. These people aren't victims. They're lunatics with weapons and chips on their shoulders. They can't take care of themselves, yet they breed like roaches. They are unproductive and yet expect the world to support them. They hate Israelis and yet Israelis put up with them.
These people are idiots. I don't think they are salvageable.
jsla -
Very cool posting!
After killing all the Jews the 'Paleostinians' would have to dynamite, tear down and urinate on every remnant of Jewish and Christian culture.
At least they were honest.
Which should make a nice epitaph.
______________________________Emphasis on were.
"a majority of 66.8% supported the continuation of such attacks aimed at kidnapping Israeli soldiers, compared with 30.7% who rejected them, saying they were harmful to Palestinian national interests."
97.5% then either support such attacks, or oppose them only because they are "harmful" to the "Palestinian" cause. Let us be charitable, and assume that the remaining 2.5% were not "Undecided" nor expressing "No Opinion" but believed that since the Israelis had promised to leave Gaza, and to dismantle Jewish villages that in some cases pre-dated the existence of the state of Israel, and then scrupulously adhered to this (despite the fact that Gaza was part of the area intended, under the Mandate for Palestine, to be part of the future Jewish National Home, and despite the fact that most of those "Palestinians" in Gaza are 2-3 generations away from being Egyptians or Iraqis or other Arab polities, because that is where so many of the local Arabs came from), that it would not be merely harmful to "Palestinian" interests, but also wrong --there's a word that needs to be introduced -- and immoral to continue to attack Israel by bombing its cities, and kidnapping its soldiers who are not in Gaza anymore, but simply guarding their own borders. But of course Israel is not entitled to its own borders. Israel is an Infidel nation-state, and the Infidels have no rights. They, sooner or later, must submit to the rule of Allah and the best of people, the Believers. They, and all those Infidels everywhere else, some of whom still do not understand the community of interest they share with Israel, and certainly do not understand that for years the Lesser Jihad against Israel used up Muslim war-making capacity and attention, but with the OPEC revenues, and the tens of millions of Muslims deep within the Biald al-kufr, no area, no Infidel nation-state or people, can expect anything, in the end, but Hard Jihad (terrorism, military attacks of all kinds) or Soft Jihad (Da'wa, demographic conquest, the money weapon). That's it. It is only a matter of the most effective instruments of the Jihad, and then the matter of timing -- Fast Jihad (Hamas's preference) or Slow Jihad (what Abbas, more calculating, concludes is the best way).
As Israel goes, so goes, in the end, the rest of the Infidel world. It is to be regretted that the Israelis, like other Infidels, did not properly identify the source of Arab opposition to their existence. Of course it was an inconvenient truth (a phrase that just came to me), for if Islam is the irreducible source of such opposition, then this is a war without end. And Israelis do not wish to recognize that. And they also tried over the years to find allies, as they tried to do, among some Muslim states (as Iran under the Shah, or with the secularists in the Turkish army. Had Israel understood what it faced and faces, and had it articulated this rather than constantly offered, by way of presenting its case to the world, the business of "we want peace" and "we want negotiations" and so on -- instead of firmly noting how limited, now positively tiny, is the value of any treaty made by Muslims with Infidels. But had Israel done so, in the end it would have been better off, and the peoples of Western Europe, had they not turned away from Israel, as they have been by a manipulating media (see Le Monde, see The Guardian, see the BBC, see RFI), and remained interested in its fate and sympathetic to its plight, might also have been made aware, in time to prevent the mass migration of Muslims, what Islam is all about.
A pity. The indifference or hostility towards Israel of so many Europeans, who have been brainwashed, force-fed a steady diet of misinformation about the Middle East and the "legitimate rights of the 'Palestinian' people" (disguising the Lesser Jihad as a "nationalist" cause), has prevented many of them of becoming aware, early on, of what Islma is all about. Without giving it a thought, without remembering to study even a little bit the history of Jihad-conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims by Muslims, hundreds of millions of Europeans allowed to settle deep within their lands, and to exploit every conceivable benefit offered by generous Infidels, without offering any loyalty or gratitude in return (how can a Believer be loyal to an Infidel nation-state, and still be a Believer?), but only demands for changes in the legal and political and educational institutions, and more demands, and threats, and riots, and crime justified as proleptic Jizyah, taken from the Infidels even before Islam dominates and Muslims rule, and the Jizyah can be formally be instituted.
If Israel goes under, the triumphalism of Islam will be unstoppable. Appetites will be whetted, not sated, and that will be it for Western Europe. And if that is it for Western Europe (and what happens to its weaponry? what happens to the nuclear weapons of Britain anf France?), it may also be it for the United States and Canada and Australia and then the rest of the Infidel world, including India.
Perhaps the only countries impervious enough, more self-assured in their own histories and desinies (why is a question that deserves to be pondered) will be those of China, Japan, Korea. Whatever it is the peoples of those countries possess that make them poor candidates for islamization, it is something that Westerners should study, and possibly emulate.
*Putting on best Kent Brockman voice*
It's in "Revelations", people!
Apologies Templar, couldn't help myself :)
God bless Israel
"...China, Japan, Korea. Whatever it is the peoples of those countries possess that make them poor candidates for islamization, it is something that Westerners should study, and possibly emulate "
(postet by Hugh)
They are neither Jewish nor Christian. They don't feel obliged to love their enemies. They are not told to turn the other cheek. They don't live in a guilt society. They have ethics - great ethics -nonetheless, but their age-old ethics differ from our age-old ethics.
I fear it is not possible to emulate them.
Enough of this 'turn the other cheek'!
What Jesus said was 'whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.'
Where exactly in that statement do people see the equivalence of 'smiting' of a cheek, with murder?
Heck, when I was a tyke we were always playfully 'smiting' one another but murder simply never entered the equation.
It's a plausible answer, but India would seem to have many of the same problems. Besides, Medieval Europe took a dim view of Islamic expansionism.
Whoops, meant to nest one blockquote inside another and forgot. The above post is a comment on a comment.
I agree, Mike_W.
But in many people's minds "turning the other cheek" is not only an advice how to respond to small incitements in order to avoid escalation, but unfortunately seems to be considered an advice how to respond to terrorist attacks as well.
Additionally these words are not only known to Christians, they are part of our culture and common wisdom in our societies. They are often used by people who are not familiar with the Bible and not at all interested in spirituality - especially leftist Atheists use them to protect their fellow civilisation-haters, the Muslims.
Judaism and Christianity on the one side and Islam on the other match perfectly - a "guilt society" meets a "blame society". We tend to feel guilty for all the evil on earth and Muslims tend to blame someone else - Click: The Muslims and we arrive at the same conclusion!
The far Eastern cultures do not resemble our "guilt society" nor the Muslim "blame society", and thus they are not as easy a target for Islamic accusations as we are. It seems they are just more realistic.
It is not easy - or perhaps impossible - to change such a deeply engrained mentality. And additionally: Do we actually WANT to change it?
"...China, Japan, Korea. Whatever it is the peoples of those countries possess that make them poor candidates for islamization, it is something that Westerners should study, and possibly emulate "
They don't take any bs from the muslims. If there are any in Japan and Korea, they have to be pretty quiet. There are some in China breeding away, but dare not stir too much. There certainly won't be any debates, if they did make a sound. They'd be out immediately. No open armes to take the snakes to their bosom, coddle them, only to be bitten.
Their governments don't issue statements about when their leaders eat, sleep, sneeze etc. etc., like the leftist media here.
"We tend to feel guilty for all the evil on earth"
Speak for yourself.
"It is not easy - or perhaps impossible - to change such a deeply engrained mentality. And additionally: Do we actually WANT to change it?"
Absolutely...I'll leave the details to one's imagination about exactly how I want to change it.
William Shirer, author of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" wrote, "the mass of the German people --- notwithstanding the degradation National Socialism brought to Nazi Germany and Europe ---- still accepted and indeed supported (it), and in Adolf Hitler they saw the country's savior."
Much of the Arab world, the United Nations and the EU are screaming "war crimes!" and "collective punishment" in Gaza. Yet, did not the allies firebomb Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg, etc., incinerating tens of thousands of German nationals in response to Hitler's terror bombings in Poland, Rotterdam, Coventry and London?
Is war by its very nature a kind of collective punishment? Palestinians back Shalit kidnapping, suicide bombings of innocent women and children, rocket attacks, barbarism, terrorism, etc., and so it goes.
Templar, l have more faith with the Israeli people, the quotes from the Bible only applies to those who believe in it. The Bible codes also hold information that can be described as informative and
intriguing, with many passages have come true. When l was younger l use to play down the Bible, but now l have more fait in it, and it always amazes me.
Re : Most Palestinians support abduction of Israeli soldier
About as stunning as our rhetorical question 'Is The Pope A Catholic?' as an answer to the bleedin' obvious
"Speak for yourself."
For myself I agree totally to you.
I just tried to analyse different societies and why our behaviour towards Islam is not comparable to the far East ....it was of course not a description of a hundred percent of the individuals within the societies.
Be sure, I do as much as I can do to change the attitude towards Islam in my society into a more realistic one. It's just not easy.
"A majority of the respondents, 77.2%, expressed support for the Hamas operation..." This low percentage can only be explained by a fault in the way the question was asked. If the question was "should the infidel swine be killed and burried in the sea, the results would have been closer to 90%!" If the question had been the rock and the tree have said: "Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me" then 99% would have said Allah has commanded us to kill the Jews.
Wow! Just 77 percent? Sounds like the tiny minority is losing steam. Please note sarcasm.
Freewoman...you said....
"yet they breed like roaches"
So, here's the solution...sterilization!
> Perhaps the only countries impervious enough, more
> self-assured in their own histories and desinies
> (why is a question that deserves to be pondered)
> will be those of China, Japan, Korea. Whatever it
> is the peoples of those countries possess that
> make them poor candidates for islamization, it is
> something that Westerners should study, and
> possibly emulate.
Speaking as a Chinese who also speaks a bit of Japanese, I can only say that the history of China, Japan, and Korea are not any more spectacularly great than American or European history.
They are filled with tyranny and barbarity just with any other country's history.
However, even for all their faults, Chinese, Japanese and Koreans all regard highly and practice their own respective cultures everyday.
Consider, for example, that even today, Chinese schoolchildren in China, Hong Kong and Taiwan all study Chinese poems and the classics (in the original classical Chinese no less), some of them dating from, say, around 200 AD!
The idea that they should submit themselves to a foreign religion that speaks Arabic only,
never mind its evil teachings is just so totally absurd.
I read about it that the Japanese have a population of around 800000 muslims. They are treated by the Japanese much as the Hindus treat their muslims in India i.e. the communities are completely polarized. Any Japanese girl foolish enough to marry a muslim is treated as an outcaste, same in India. The thing is, Japan, China and Korea have a culture and language that is completely alien to the West, even to India.