Pontificating Against Israel

Joseph D'Hippolito at FrontPage asks why the Vatican has not allowed for self-defense against jihad terror:

As Israel began its latest campaign of self-defense, the Vatican’s leading government official rushed to join his peers on the speeding bandwagon of international disapproval.

Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican’s secretary of state and effectively its prime minister, condemned Israel’s attack against Hezbollah’s positions in Lebanon and the resources the terrorist group could exploit.

“In particular, the Holy See deplores right now the attack on Lebanon, a free and sovereign nation, and assures its closeness to those people who already have suffered so much to defend their independence,” he told Vatican Radio on July 14. “The right of defense on the part of a state does not exempt it from its responsibility to respect international law, particularly regarding the safeguarding of civilian populations.”

Perhaps someone should ask the good cardinal how Israel should respond to enemies who have publicly expressed their desire to destroy it, who have rejected various peaceful settlements, ignored concessions and who continue to murder and maim Israeli civilians. Perhaps someone should ask the cardinal how any nation facing a similar situation should respond.

In any event, Sodano’s words expose three facts of life in Rome. One is the Vatican’s remarkable lack of empathy or compassion for Israeli victims of terrorist atrocities. Another is a policy toward Israel that has outlived its usefulness. The final fact is Sodano’s pending obsolescence.

Sandro Magister, the veteran Vatican correspondent for Italy’s L’Espresso, pointedly described on July 19 the hypocrisy concerning Israel – especially considering Pope Benedict XVI’s warm outreach to Jews: “…it is striking that Benedict XVI is not defending the existence of Israel – which its enemies want to annihilate as the final aim of the conflict underway – with the same explicit, strong determination with which he repeatedly raises his voice in defense of the ‘non-negotiable’ principles concerning human life.”

That silence reflects a position toward Israel revolving around support for civilian Arab populations – especially Palestinians and Arab Christians – as a counterweight to Israeli power. Vittorio Parsi, professor of international relations at the Catholic University of Milan, described that policy in 2003 for the Italian magazine Diritto e Libertà.

“Regarding the Arab-Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Vatican's political stance has been and remains directed by a cornerstone and long-held principle within Church tradition: that is, attention must be given to peoples and not their governments,” Parsi wrote. Given that cornerstone and the lack of a Palestinian state, which the Vatican supports establishing, “it is by the side of (the Palestinian) populace that the Vatican has decided to stand firm, without its choice implying any anti-Israeli discrimination.”

Parsi, who also serves as a columnist for the newspaper of the Italian bishops’ conference, further analyzed the Vatican’s policy toward Israel with respect to issues that are particularly relevant now.

Self-defense: “The Vatican’s concept of security is by definition one which refers to the notion of collective safety and multi-lateral ways of its realization. In addition, this notion tends toward a criteria of balance that, from Rome’s perspective, is an irrefutable aspect of Middle Eastern policy. What’s more, for the Holy See, security must be achieved while respecting the norms of international law.

“Israel, on the other hand, holds that security must be a prerequisite for any further step toward achieving a solution to the conflict and can be unilaterally guaranteed with all necessary means. In terms of international law, Jerusalem then is seen to have assumed an increasingly open critical position over the years.”

Syrian influence in Lebanon: “…Lebanon is considered by Israel simply as a Syrian protectorate, especially because of the openly managerial role Damascus has played for more than two decades in Lebanon. For Israel, once the Syrian issue is resolved, the logical result will be the end of interference in Lebanon.

“For the Vatican as well, both Lebanon and Syria are connected, but in the sense that its strategy is to consolidate Lebanese integrity and independence in the Arab world with the goal of safeguarding the conspicuous Christian presence in the region. Perhaps it is in this sense that we can understand why the Vatican has maintained particularly prudent relations with Damascus - which, in actual fact, violates Lebanese sovereignty much more than Jerusalem does.”

Iran: “Israel maintains that the Islamic republic is even a more serious threat than was Saddam Hussein's regime. What is alarming to the Israeli government is not so much Iran's support of Hezbollah militia as much as it is the Iranian nuclear program.

“The Holy See appears, however, much more inclined toward Iran. Above all, it is particularly careful to exploit reformist efforts…At the same time, the Vatican greatly fears that Israel may opt for a preventive strike against Iranian nuclear reactors, thus provoking widespread conflict arising from unforeseeable consequences."

The Vatican’s stance regarding Israel, forged during the papacy of Pope John Paul II, has proven useless in mitigating geopolitical conflicts between Israel and its enemies. It has also failed on a moral level, not only by ignoring terrorism against Israeli civilians but also by failing to protect Arab and Palestinian Christians against Muslim oppression.

In a September interview with the Milan daily Corriere della Sera, Father Pierbattista Pizzaballa – who represents the Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land, which governs church property –bluntly described the difficulties Palestinian Christians face: “What do you mean by difficulties between Israel and the Vatican? We Christians in the Holy Land have other problems. Almost every day – I repeat, almost every day – our communities are harassed by the Islamic extremists in these regions. “And if it's not the members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, there are clashes with the 'rubber wall' of the Palestinian Authority, which does little or nothing to punish those responsible. On occasion, we have even discovered among our attackers the police agents of Mahmoud Abbas or the militants of Fatah, his political party, who are supposed to be defending us.”

Sodano’s remarks also reflect what Parsi called the “pro-Arab prejudice” that “persists in some noteworthy exponents within Vatican hierarchy.” Few such exponents are more noteworthy than Sodano himself.

As secretary of state, Sodano is responsible for the Vatican’s communications outlets – including its newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, which constantly displays an anti-Israel attitude. The magazine from Sodano’s own office, Civilita Cattolica, complements L’Osservatore with anti-American rhetoric “after the fashion of the radical left of Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore,” Magister wrote.

Moreover, Magister describes Sodano as “a great admirer of Yasser Arafat” and “a supporter of the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, Michel Sabbah,” whose support for Palestinian extremists and opposition to Israel was explored in FrontPageMag.com's “Patriarch of Terror.”

Sodano has gone so far as to use duplicitous means to promote his agenda, even at the expense of the Vatican’s diplomatic credibility and Benedict’s dignity.

The secretary of state took advantage of the pope’s vacation in July 2005 to prepare a statement in Benedict’s name that condemned recent terrorist attacks “in various countries like Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Great Britain.” Omitted was any reference to a suicide bombing in Netanya, an Israeli coastal resort. Five victims died and 90 were wounded.

Sodano publicized the statement July 24, 2005. One day later, Israel’s foreign ministry filed a protest. Tensions reached the point where Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon spoke directly with Sodano, who tried to shift the blame to the Vatican’s press secretary, Joaquin Navarro-Walls, who accompanied Benedict on vacation.

But mandatory retirement is forcing the 78-year-old Sodano out. Pope Benedict himself testified to Sodano’s rapidly diminishing influence by publicly contradicting him July 18, when the pope supported the G8 summit’s blaming Hezbollah and Hamas for hostilities.

Sodano’s replacement, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, will assume office September 15 as part of Benedict’s gradual, meticulous housecleaning of high Vatican offices. That housecleaning includes a subtle shift in policy regarding Israel.

Magister reported in L’Espresso on March 6 that Benedict plans to promote Pizzaballa and appoint him as the bishop for Hebrew-speaking Christians in Israel. Pizzaballa “is viewed very favorably by the Israeli authorities,” Magister wrote.

That move complements another that Benedict made last September. To mitigate Sabbah’s influence, the pope appointed Fouad Twal, the former Archbishop of Tunis, as Sabbah’s auxiliary. Twal – expected to replace Sabbah in two years – is “regarded in Israel as far more acceptable,” wrote Abdal-Hakim Murad, a Muslim commentator in Britain.

Father David Jaeger, a member of the Franciscan Custody and a canon lawyer who has advised the Vatican concerning Israel, implied the policy shift on Vatican Radio one day before Sodano made his remarks: “It is necessary to understand the depth and force of Israel’s anger. The Lebanese government has a choice: It can continue to allow Hezbollah to control southern Lebanon or it can show some courage, reaffirm Lebanese sovereignty and suppress Hezbollah.”

Pope Benedict also seeks a more confrontational approach toward Islam, especially regarding religious freedom for Christians in Muslim countries. In the process, Benedict seems to be less willing to disregard Islamic radicalism for the sake of ecumenical dialogue than his predecessor. Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo, the Vatican’s foreign minister, expressed this new direction in May during an address to the Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Migrants. Some excerpts:

…one notices a recent general tendency of the Muslim-majority countries to promote, even outside their own borders, an increasingly radical form of conduct in conformity with Islamic precepts, and to assert a greater public presence of such conduct. This phenomenon … results in a religious fanaticism that exerts strong social and institutional pressure upon minorities of other faiths…In the realm of principle, it must be said that in the face of Islam the Church is called to live out its own identity to the full without drawing back, and to take clear and courageous positions in asserting the Christian identity. We know well that radical Islam takes advantage of anything that it interprets as a sign of weakness. It is evident that the initiatives for dialogue on religious topics do not belong to the states, but to religious leaders, although they can be facilitated by political officials.

But if the Vatican is serious about changing its policy toward Israel – and if it really believes its rhetoric about supporting peoples rather than their governments – it must forcefully and unequivocally offer the same support to Israeli victims of terror as it does to Arab victims of war and religious persecution.

Otherwise, intelligent people will recognize the Vatican’s support for the innocent as nothing but a cover for its own geopolitical interests and cynical personal agendas – as, unfortunately, it has been to this point.

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The C of E is just as bad, if not worse, than Rome.

On July 19th the Archbishop of Canterbury "condemn[ed] escalating violence in the Middle East" - a usefully passive and neutralizing way of describing terrorist outrages and a military response to them:

“I have been alarmed at the spiral of violence, the vicious circle of attack and retaliation, that has developed over the last few days. My prayers and sympathy are with the principal victims, the innocent civilians on both sides of the border, who now live in terror and are powerless to prevent the collective suffering at the hands of Hezbollah and the Israeli military. ..."

Note the disgusting way this shameless and self-satisfied ignoramus brackets together "Hezbollah and the Israeli military".

Full text

On July 21st he was interviewed by the BBC and was carefully prompted to extrude more nonsense, suggesting that Israel was not "look[ing] for alternatives" to dealing with the threat to its citizens:

http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/releases/060721.htm

Moral equivalence and an eagerness to preach at people without having any real conception of what's going on or any understanding of the background of the situation is all you'll get from Williams.

The truth of the matter is that as a Catholic, the Vatican has forgotten the practice of St. Augustine's "just war" theory, a pratice in which Isreal has been observing to the full in this war.

Meanwhile the vilification of Israel in Europe goes on and on.

"Locarno Film festival drops Israel as sponsor to protest attack"

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=74123

BEIRUT: The organizers of the 2006 Locarno International Film Festival have dropped the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs as a festival sponsor because of that country's unremitting bombardment of civilian targets in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.
The Israeli ministry was listed as a co-sponsor of one of the festival's programs, called "Leopards of Tomorrow." News of the sponsorship provoked a letter of protest from several Lebanese and Palestinian filmmakers and festival guests - who threatened to pull out of Locarno, which starts on August 2, if the links were maintained.

"We, the undersigned filmmakers and other invited guests to the Locarno International Film Festival 2006," the letter read, "would like to express our deep concern with the fact that the festival's Leopards of Tomorrow program is co-sponsored by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

"Given the current belligerence exhibited by Israel in its ongoing brutal attack on Palestinian and Lebanese civilians and infrastructure, justified by the same Ministry of Foreign Affairs that is listed as a co-sponsor of the festival, we demand that festival organizers reconsider their relationship to the government of Israel, and withdraw the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs from the list of the festival's sponsors.

"We make this demand in consideration of the hundreds of innocent civilians that have been murdered by the State of Israel in its ongoing campaign," The letter continued.

"We do so in consideration of the many cultural centers, arts institutions and universities targeted by Israeli bombs and missiles. We do so because we ourselves are under siege. We do so because we are in solidarity with those who are under siege. Under these circumstances, the actions of the State of Israel cannot be treated as normal ...

"We simply cannot, from an ethical standpoint, attend or screen our films in any program or event that refuses to recognize the direness of situations such as the present one and does not stand for human dignity in the face of barbarity perpetuated against any peoples."

The festival's organizers were not available for comment.

As of Wednesday night, Locarno organizers removed the logo of Israel's Foreign Affairs Ministry from the festival Web site, press release and brochure.

This has also been reported in Swiss press.
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/dyn/news/schweiz/648957.html

Apparently all the anti-Zionist leftwing the Dhimmi movies produced by Israelis during the last years have been to no avail. They are still not welcome...

You neglect an important fact. According to Vatican super-expert Sandro Magister, Cardinal Sodano not only is on his way out as Secretary of State, but he is guilty of an attempt to unseat Cardinal Ruini, the Pope's man in Italy, as head of the Italian bishops - as close to an attempted coup d'etat as is possible in the Vatican. He was caught trying to undermine the Pope, and in Magister's view this last bit of anti-Israel feeling is his last hurrah. His designated successor, Tarcisio Bertone, is the first Secretary of State for decades not to come from the Vatican diplomacy, and he is famous for blunt speaking and orthodoxy. The Vatican has long had problems with Israel, to do with the Holy Places and the treatment of Christians, but that does not make it pro-Muslim. There is a pro-Muslim wing in the Church, but it has been taking one hit after another, not just since Benedict XVI came to the throne, but even in the last couple of years of JPII.

bigcatgirl13106 & Paolo,
Bravo!!!

The only comment I would add is it's not the Vatican as a whole, but certian elements of it have forgotten oe don't understand "just war" theory...

At the risk of sounding like I am against what Israel is doing, which is not my intention, I do feel great sorrow for the suffering of the Lebanese Christians.

They never had the military capability to throw Hezbollah out of Lebanon on their own. Hopefully Israel weaknes Hezbollah enough so they can take back their country....


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2006/07/04/thank_god_for_moral_violence

Thank God for moral violence
By Dennis Prager
Tuesday, July 4, 2006


"Those who say violence never solves anything have confused themselves in other ways as well. They have elevated peace above goodness. Therefore, in these people's views, it is better for evil to prevail than to use violence to end that evil -- since the very use of violence renders the user of it evil. "

What if these events were used for the people of God to take back the land of Judah? With the proper backing, a willing army could be raised to make Lebanon a beautiful place that people would want to go and visit and live. (biblical sites, ancient battle sites, museums, restaurants, beaches, timeshare condos etc.) Almost like an east Germany being released from soviet bondage except w/ warm beaches. It could be a great place.

Paolo is 100% correct in his analysis of the current situation in the Holy See. While officials of declining influence like Sodano can make all the statements they want, the facts are clear: Catholicism's detente with Islam is dead!

However, for a real re-orientation toward Israel to occur, Israel must abandon its own pro-Islamic positions. For far too long, Israeli policy has failed to recognize that Palestinian Christians and so-called "Palestinian" Muslims are two completely separate peoples with different histories, cultures, and worldviews. Instead, Israeli policy lumped them all together as simply "Arabs". This has led to the virtual destruction of the Palestinian Christian nation.

In 1967, Bethlehem, Ramallah and many other towns in Judea and Samaria were overwhelmingly Christian. Even Gaza had nearly 60,000 Christians and 63 active churches. Today there are no Christians in Gaza, virtually none in Ramallah and even Bethlehem is nearly 80% Muslim. All of this happened while ISRAEL WAS IN CONTROL!

This genocide of the indigenous Christian nation is a crime that the Vatican cannot ignore. It is also a threat to the future security of the Jewish people in Israel itself. It is absolutely imperative that Israel recognize that the ONLY real Palestinians who have a right to Judea and Samaria are Christians, Jews, and Samaritans. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are simply Arab invaders and occupiers of Jewish and Christian lands.

Do not attend, and discourage others from attending, in order to punish those responsible for this act of moral pusillanimity, the Locarno Festival. Find out who signed the letter of protest. Deny them your custom. Do not offer them jobs. Do not work with them professionally. Do nothing to help their careers in the advanced West, where they so desperately wish to find recognition, work, and so on. As for the Locarno Festival, pretend this year that it simply does not exist. But do not let the matter drop. File away the names of those involved on the Swiss side who decided on dropping Israel as a co-sponsor, lest you forget.

"the Vatican's political stance has been and remains directed by a cornerstone and long-held principle within Church tradition: that is, attention must be given to peoples and not their governments,” -- Prof. Vittorio Parsi quoted above

In Islam, this distinction between peoples and their governments does not apply: all things under the Sun are fused in Islam.

Paolo is certainly right. Many in the Catholic world think the outgoing Cardinal Sodano is throwing one last smoke bomb at the new incoming group of pro-Israel, strongly anti-Jihadi group of cardinals and officials. More on this and other related stories at CatholicReport.org

I'm a Catholic and I could spend all day relating why Sodano is simply a scum bag. Regardless, my guess is he'd feel a lot differently about things if the Hezbos were lobbing rockets by the hundreds into Vatican City.

Apparently all the anti-Zionist leftwing the Dhimmi movies produced by Israelis during the last years have been to no avail. They are still not welcome... Posted by: Hugo Schmidt-Fischer

I would like to see some rational clear headed fleshing out of trite phrases such as left wing and right wing, and especially claims that left wingers are anti Zionists.

Reason is that I get in huge flame wars with people like many who post on This Forum Who insist on characterizing the Left Wing as Zionists.

And these people are (at least the majority) anti gay, , anti abortion, anti feminists: i.e. patriarchial and adamantly family values, as well as pro religion , minimal government, anti tax, and also vehemently anti"zionist" though many will claim that they aren't antisemitic, truth is that their antiZionism has antisemitic roots, especially the traditional, hard core antisemitic, pro Muslim, Catholics.

So according to Jihad Watch it is the leftists that are antizionists, but by their own lights, the right wingers (especially the paleo cons) are anti"zionist" (antisemites who use Israel as an excuse).

Blah, blah, blah, evil Catholics.
Blah, blah, blah, those horrible family values.
Blah, blah, blah, patriarchy.
Blah, blah, blah, dastardly paleo cons.

For Pete's sake Nariz, you are a viscious, whiny, venal, little toad. God forbid anyone should disagree with you and your silly leftist bullshit.

"This genocide of the indigenous Christian nation "

Ummm.... the last time I checked, Israel wasn't killing Arab Christians in a mass slaughter.

Most of the Arab Christians in the West Bank and Gaza left because of persecution by Muslims. These Arab Christians tend to have connections in the West that can help them leave Israel. It also doesn't help population trends since Muslims tend to outbreed Christians in general. Arab Christians tend to have less children.

And there are still a few Christians left in Gaza.
about 1,500 according to this article.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ForeignBureaus/Archive/200602/FOR20060222c.html

Nariz,

" I get in huge flame wars with people like many who post on This Forum Who insist on characterizing the Left Wing as Zionists."

It's a matter of degree. More Leftists are anti-Zionist, anti-Israel, and tend to sugarcoat Islam. "More" does not mean "all"; nor does it mean that there are not some right-wingers who are also anti-Zionist, anti-Israel, and tend to sugarcoat Islam.

But "more" still means "more" -- and degrees matter. It indicates a subcultural predisposition -- and it id particularly worrisome since the modern West has in the last 50 years tilted Leftward.

The pope smokes dope!

non-redneck,

The Islamic genocide against Christians continued unabated while Gaza, Judea and Samaria were under Israeli control. In Gaza there were 60,000 Christians in 1967 and less than 2000 when Israel withdrew. I believe the current figure of 1500 for Gaza is exagerated since none of the 63 churches that were thriving in 1967 remains open.

The late Mayor Elias Freij of Bethlehem (the last Palestinian Christian leader of any caliber) begged Israel to annex Bethlehem, Ramallah and the other majority Christian areas of the West Bank into Israel. He understood clearly that there was no future for Christians under Muslim rule. His pleas were met with deafening silence by the Israeli government.

Of course, Israel was not at fault alone. They were merely obeying the diktats of the US State Department. Nevertheless, it is past time for both the Vatican and Israel to realize that the fate of both Christians and Jews is irrevocably tied together in the face of Muslim aggression. Either we stand together or we will all die together.

Jesus Christ is every where, every day! We only have to look at the Bible to find refuge and solace. But this book foretells of warnings. Common sense warns all whom heed what is written.

Giaour (Nariz) never posts about jihad. It's always complaints about "freepers" or Christians or someone else.

D'Hippolito is really off-base.

While I don't particularly like the Holy See's public approach to this, which I think boders of moral-equivalence, its downright slanderous to say, as he does, that the Vatican has been silent on terrorist attacks on Israel. This is easily rebutted by a cursory review of John Paul's record on the subject:

http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/pressofficenotes.pdf

Even Sodano, for as much as I don't care for him as a person or Scretary of State, condemned the terrorism on the part of Hezbollah.

Neither do Pope Benedict's words on the subject contradict Cardinal Sodano's. They, along with the words of the G8 Summit, are just more nuanced.

It's sad that Mr. Spencer would endorse this article. He ought to know better.

Interesting timing.

A ancient book of psalms was just found in a bog in Ireland open to a page describing, in Latin script, Psalm 83, in which God hears complaints of other nations' attempts to wipe out the name of Israel.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060725/ap_on_re_eu/ireland_ancient_book

1 O God, do not keep silent;
be not quiet, O God, be not still.

2 See how your enemies are astir,
how your foes rear their heads.

3 With cunning they conspire against your people;
they plot against those you cherish.

4 "Come," they say, "let us destroy them as a nation,
that the name of Israel be remembered no more."

5 With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you-

6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,

7 Gebal, [a] Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.

8 Even Assyria has joined them
to lend strength to the descendants of Lot.
Selah

9 Do to them as you did to Midian,
as you did to Sisera and Jabin at the river Kishon,

10 who perished at Endor
and became like refuse on the ground.

11 Make their nobles like Oreb and Zeeb,
all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,

12 who said, "Let us take possession
of the pasturelands of God."

13 Make them like tumbleweed, O my God,
like chaff before the wind.

14 As fire consumes the forest
or a flame sets the mountains ablaze,

15 so pursue them with your tempest
and terrify them with your storm.

16 Cover their faces with shame
so that men will seek your name, O LORD.

17 May they ever be ashamed and dismayed;
may they perish in disgrace.

18 Let them know that you, whose name is the LORD—that you alone are the Most High over all the earth

I like this Pope(and, of course, the last one greatly); he's in a pickle. First, their is an entrenched civil service within the vatican. He cannot 'clean house' right away. Does Bush to this day, have 'any' loyalty in the State Department or CIA lifers??? I think not. To say that what this official or that official within the Vatican represents this Pope is to say that Ray McGovern or Valerie Plame represents Bush . . . or the endless parade of 'leakers' within our government represents Bush. Second, this Pope has another thing to think about. Not only is he in charge of giving his moral vision to fellow Catholics, and, in a broad sense, for Christians in general, but he must also pay mind to dedicated Catholics who live and minister in very, very unfriendly places: Turkey, Pakistan, France(just kidding about France, I think). The one strike against this Pope is his age and health! Didn't his brother(a Priest)express shock about his brother's nomination?? saying something about his age and health. I can think of hundreds(and there are thousands)of blowhards in our civil service, working for the US, who have probably gone over to the other reservation or have their own axes to grind; the same is true in the Vatican.

I might also point(as Jew) to the lunatic ultra-orthodox leader who defames Israel, visits Iran, calling for Israel's destruction, or the liberal reformed 'rabbi' in Birmingham, AL who pontificated about the glory days of Andulusia where Muslims and Jews sat under fig trees together. Right. Theses jokers do not speak for the bulk of the Jewish people, just as how an individual Priest does not speak for all Catholics.

DominvsVobiscvm, I point to you the words of Sandro Magister that I quote:

“…it is striking that Benedict XVI is not defending the existence of Israel – which its enemies want to annihilate as the final aim of the conflict underway – with the same explicit, strong determination with which he repeatedly raises his voice in defense of the ‘non-negotiable’ principles concerning human life.”

Those are his words, not mine, and Magister has been covering the Vatican for nearly 30 years, at least.

The idea of silence regarding the fate of Israeli civilians can easily be inferred from Magister's words. The fact that JPII offered pro forma condemnations of terrorism in general does not hide the fact that he condemned the building of the West Bank security barrier that has prevented suicide bombings of innocent civilians. Nor does it hide the fact that he essentially held Arab Christians hostage to his geopolitical and ecumenical agendas. I quote from an article from Front Page Magazine:

Public pronouncements from various church officials also expressed concerns about the fate of civilians, particularly Chaldean Christians, who fared relatively well under Saddam. Yet Muslims who convert to Catholicism feel isolated in the face of persistent threats.

"We feel abandoned," a woman named Nura told the Italian daily Corriere Della Sera in 2002.

"After our conversion, we have no one to support us. We ask the Church and Italy: Protect us, defend us."

Much of papal thinking on (the war in Iraq), therefore, reflects John Paul's overriding geopolitical goal of preventing a worldwide conflagration through promoting international law and inter-religious dialogue - apparently, at all costs, writes Renzo Guolo, professor of the sociology of religion at the University of Trieste and a specialist in Muslim fundamentalism.

Guolo -- author of the book, Xenophobes and Xenophiles: Italians and Islam -- notes that those bishops who oppose the papal approach toward Islam remembered how the pope, "who ordinarily speaks about all topics, had spread a veil of silence over the persecution of Christians in Muslim countries," he writes.

"For Karol Wojtyla, religious dialogue is necessary ... to foster the common good of humanity," Guolo writes. "This dialogue is sustained by the awareness (of) common values across cultures, because these values are rooted in human nature. He seems to believe that only the prophetic message, the utopian perspective, the mystical leap powered by an intense spirituality, can achieve this objective."

JPII's view of Islam did little, if anything, to moderate terrorist fanatics and prevent attacks against the innocent. That is the only criterion on which any papal policy can and should be judged.

Moreover, DV, what you cite from the National Catholic Reporter was published by the Vatican to cover itself from legitimate protests from Israel's foreign ministry concerning the lack of recognition of a terrorist attack on an Israeli resort. That attack occurred in the same time frame as attacks in Iraq and Britain (particularly the attacks on the London mass-transit system). The Israeli foreign ministry had every right to protest.

Why the big deal? Because the Vatican official who prepared the statement in question was Sodano himself.

Joseph d'Hippolito: I have no idea who you are, but you are clearly a man with an agenda. And the agenda in question is to undermine the last two Popes by associating them with Muslim terrorism and extreme pacifism (of the kind which, in Italy, is the worst enemy of the Church) and associate them with Sodano. You quote Magister, yet you neglect to mention that Sodano's infamous declaration which excluded Israel from the victims of terrorism was rejected by the Pope, and that Sodano worsened matters by trying to blame Navarro Valls - as much a true Pope's man as anyone in the Vatican - for it, only to be roundly given the lie. You say nothing about Magister's detailed account of Sodano's attempt to unseat Ruini, which was the last straw in Benedict's eyes. You do not mention the severe philosophical criticism to which Islam is subjected in JPII's written - an impoverished notion of God, claiming mercy but without any instrument to practice it - or his visit to Israel, and, even more to the point, his historic visits to the Great Synagogue of Rome. Selective quotation is the Devil's instrument; it is also rather silly when you are dealing with people who know the facts.

Whoops. I really ought to preview stuff before I post it. I cannot imagine what that "was rejected by the Pope" is doing between "...victims of terrorism" and "and that Sodano...". It should not be there. It means nothing. My point is that that declaration came from Sodano and that he tried to blame it on Navarro Valls. That was all.

Paolo,

"yet you neglect to mention that Sodano's infamous declaration which excluded Israel from the victims of terrorism was rejected by the Pope"

Which Pope are you referring to here?

Would you please supply the proof that the Pope rejected Sodano's infamous declaration which excluded Israel from the victims of terrorism?

remote_control, before you open your mouth, check my last post, where I stated that those four words had no place there. Boy, you just could not wait to nail me, could you?

Paolo, calm down. Obviously, your corrective post hadn't appeared when I wrote my post. Post-correction, it appears we're back to square one: conjecturing about Pope Benedict's thoughts and motives without any actual proof.

Mr. D'Hippolito

Perhaps you sould not only read the wise remarks of Paolo again but also the astute comments of the Biorabbi. More progress has been made, in the last few years, of the Vatican seeing the truth about the Middle East than in the in last few decades. Unfortunately, Pope Benedict must deal with Vatican bureaucrats who come from countries where Dhimmitude is well entrenched. Pope Benedict's statements about Islamic terrorists were not well received by some in the Islamic world. Again, I suggest you read the astute posts of the Biorabbi and Paolo.

Paolo and Dave, did either of you actually read the piece I wrote in its entirety?

First, I mention the "infamous declaration" that Sodano framed while Benedict was on vacation in July 2005. I even say that "Sodano has gone so far as to use duplicitous means to promote his agenda, even at the expense of the Vatican’s diplomatic credibility and Benedict’s dignity."

Second, I mention the fact that Benedict wants a "more confrontational" approach to Islam and that such an approach might entail a different diplomatic position toward Israel. I substantiate this by mentioning two episcopal appointments that the Israelis found quite favorable.

Third, I do not mention the Ruini situation because it would have bogged down the narrative. My point was to show Sodano's duplicity concerning Israel, not concerning internal Vatican power struggles.

Fourth, the fact that JPII criticized Islam strenuously in his writings did not prevent him from kissing a Koran in public nor from having his diplomats ally with repressive Islamic regimes in Iran, Libya and Sudan against abortion in the 1994 UN Conference on population control nor ignore the plight of Arab Christians in deference to his geopolitical agenda.

Joseph

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I did read the entire article. My objections stem from the fact that Pope Benedict can't possibly change overnight a bureaucracy filled with officials from countries who long practiced Dhimmitude. I also don't believe the "Koran kissing episode" was framed in the proper context. Pope John Paul II kissed all gifts he received from former leaders or dignitaries as a matter of respect. I doubt he even knew it was a Koran. However, I am sure you and I agree on many things. I know I have read some very positive articles you have written on Pope Benedict. Anyway, I think we can agree that we are glad the Vatican is getting a new Secretary of State.

Dave, many thanks for your kind, courteous and charitable response. It kept me from boiling over, which I have a tendency to do with less courteous correspondents.

I'm also glad you said that the pope kissed every gift he received from dignitaries. I've never heard that explanation before and it does indeed put the act in context (though I doubt he didn't know that the book in question was a Koran).

You're quite right in saying that Benedict cannot possibly change the Vatican's bureaucracy over night. No pope can. Moreover, Benedict is a man who makes decisions slowly and methodically, so bureaucratic change likely will take place far slower than at least I would like.

Nevertheless, the contrast between the warm outreach to the Jews from both Benedict and JPII and the failure or refusal to support Israeli victims of terror with the same passion that both popes used to defend the "gospel of life" cannot be ignored. That doesn't mean that both popes are anti-Semitic. I have never made that case, nor would I; no evidence exists. I have, however, made the case that the Vatican's diplomatic posture toward Israel compromises its moral authority (without saying so in so many words), a case that can be supported by evidence.

Mr. D'Hippolito:

I stand by my original post, which you did not in the least refute.

Again, I don't deny that there has been much wanting in the Holy See's statements vis-a-vis Islam and terrorism. I simply demonstrated that it is not accurate to say that the Papacy, or even Cardinal Sodano, have been "silent" in condemning Islamic terrorism. And I provided docuemntation to the contrary.

There's still much to criticize, but we don't need to exagerrate the faults, which you have done.

DV, then how do you explain the late pope's condemnation of Israel's security fence along the West Bank, a non-violent solution that has saved who knows how many Israelis from suicide bombings?

From Agence France Presse:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1116-10.html

I don't argue that the Vatican has never condemned terrorism. The Vatican has issued generalized pro forma condemnations in spades, much like the argument you cite (which was a snotty response to protests from the Israeli foreign ministry). I argue that the Vatican has never defended either Israeli victims of terror nor the existance of the Israeli state with the same passion that Rome defends the unborn or embryos that might be used in stem-cell research. Magister makes the same argument.

If you're generally interested in a take similar to mine on the issue, see the following:

http://braude.blogspot.com/2005/06/on-john-paul-iis-record-in-middle-east.html

It was written by Joseph Braude, author of The New Iraq: Rebuilding the Country for Its People.

DominvsVobiscvm writes: "it is not accurate to say that the Papacy, or even Cardinal Sodano, have been "silent" in condemning Islamic terrorism..."

It is accurate when they have never condemned it as Islamic terrorism. If we've learned anything at Jihad and Dhimmi Watch, it is the crucial importance of that adjective which, by its presence or absence decisively colors the supposed analyses and condemnations of the problem of Islam.

The subtly slippery locutions of DominvsVobiscvm and Paolo -- along with their tendentious and self-righteously sincere conflation of data and interpretation (more egregiously from the latter) -- have over time made them untrustworthy to me; by contrast, D'Hippolito expresses himself more reliably.

Here's a good idea, how about the Catholic and Jewish communities get off the birth control and actually have a population that can withstand attack from these fanatics. I pray for peace and strength in the Christian community to stand up to these Muslims. If there's any Lebanese reading this how come you have no protest in the United States, supporting your Christian brothers>

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