A petition you can sign on this case, from Petition Online, with thanks to Joanne:
To: The Secretary General of the United Nations, Kofi Annan,The United Nations High Commissioner of Human Rights, Louise Arbour,The Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei, and The Head of the Judiciary of IRI Ayatollah MahmouCC: U.S. President, EU Heads of States, Heads of the world's democratic states, General Secretary of the United Nations, The United Nation Commission for Human Rights Special Rapporteur, U.S. Secretay of State, U.S. Congress, Senator Brownback, the European Parliament, Amnesty International, International Journalism Group
On or about June 29, 2006, a court in the northwestern Iranian city of Urmia sentenced Malak Ghorbany, an Iranian woman, to death by public stoning after finding her guilty of the crime of "adultery." Under Iran's Penal Code, the term "adultery" is used to describe any intimate or sexual act between a man and a girl or a woman outside of marriage. The crime of adultery is also used in cases where a girl is deemed to have committed "acts incompatible with chastity," which includes instances of rape. In Iran, the punishment for "adultery" is death. In Ms. Ghorbany's case, the particular method of execution mandated -- death by stoning -- is one of the most inhumane and gruesome acts of torture and violence.
On the day of her punishment, the Ms. Ghorbany's hands will be tied behind her back as she becomes covered from head to toe in winding sheets and is placed seated in a pit. The pit is then filled up to her chest with dirt and the dirt is tamped down. At that point, members of the community are invited to murder her by hurling rocks at her. To ensure that the person condemned to stoning receives the absolute maximum amount of pain and torture, the Iranian government has even mandated the size of the stones that are to be used in this barbaric act of public execution. By law, no stone should be thrown that would kill Ms. Ghorbany with the first or second blow, or so small as a pebble to do no injury to her body.
Stoning is a unique form of punishment in that there is no single executioner. The simplistic act of gathering the victim's peers around her creates killers out of everyone. Those who participate in the mass murder of another by throwing stones at her view the practice as a social event that is more akin to a form of sport than a true act of moral self-righteousness. An actual video of a stoning can be viewed at http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/. The footage taken in Iran illustrates a party like atmosphere of those carrying out the execution.
Clearly, stoning is a diabolical form of torture and murder and it must be stopped. That humans should gather around and jubilantly throw stones with the intent to take another human's life -- in this case, the life of Ms. Ghorbany -- is a repugnant thought. Such acts of barbarism and violence far outweigh any form of moral transgression that Ms. Ghorbany may have committed. Further, the cruelty and inhumanity of Ms. Ghorbany's death sentence is a violation of her human rights under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), to which Iran is a party.
With regard to the above, we, the undersigned, request your urgent help to prevent the inhumane torture and punishment to which Ms. Ghorbany has been sentenced. As such,
· We request that the death sentence imposed on Ms. Ghorbany be commuted immediately;
· We urge the authorities to conduct a thorough examination of Ms. Ghorbany's case to ensure that she received a fair trial and that her legal representation was competent and adequate throughout the proceedings;
· We urge that the authorities ensure that Ms. Ghorbany's family is made aware of its legal rights in accordance with Islamic and International rules and covenants;
· We appeal to the Islamic Republic of Iran to honor its commitment to the ICCPR, to which it is a signatory.
Whats the alternative free her to corrupt more people in the society, and be a role model like we have millions in the western society?
Only if Jack the Ripper had the same punishment, the people who followed his footsteps afterwards would have thought twice before committing such acts (likewise for women).
This petition is obviously racist and culturally insensitive.
... the Iranian government has even mandated the size of the stones that are to be used in this barbaric act of public execution. By law, no stone should be thrown that would kill Ms. Ghorbany with the first or second blow, or so small as a pebble to do no injury to her body.
Government. Law. Islam. Moslems. Rocks.
And we Americans, Brits, and Aussies can take pride in having spent a trillion dollars to set up two more Sharia states.
How low can mankind go? We're gonna see, cuz the Moslems are active these days.
610 * 623 * 732* 1066* 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001
Jill Ireland, I still can't hear you.
Islam rocks, literally!
The alternative is to allow people to have relationships as free human beings, and to stone those people who commit murder, like Jack the Ripper. Stone the killers, not the lovers.
Her crime was to make love. The fruits of love should be more love. Their crime, however, was to kill. The fruits of killing, should be more killing in kind.
My alternative is to stone every muslim who ever participated in a stoning to teach them the fruits of brutality. I would also stone those that support stoning, like this william wallace troll. Except, like the real william wallace, I would disembowel him first. Not enough to kill him, just enough to cause discomfort. Cruelty must be answered with cruelty to make the muslims quake. Witness Gitmo. A pair of panties on the head, and they broke down psychologically. LOL Muslims are the weakest people on the planet. They can dish it out, but they can't take it. But do they love dishing it out.
Stoning is not only a form of brutality and cruelty, it is also done in a cowardly way. They don't even let the victim see her murderers. They put a bag over her head so that they can throw stones annonymously. Then, because it takes many stones to kill, none of the cowards throwing stones has to feel that he killed the victim outright. Typical muslim brutality accompanied by typical muslim cowardice.
Did try to sign it, got a 404 error.
William Wallace Ellerslie, the alternative, or more accurately, alternatives (for any one of these would preclude the stoning of Malak Ghorbany)are:
Love
Compassion
Justice
Fairness
Equality
Freedom
Kindness
Tried to sign it, and got
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What crime did this lady commit? Adultery? She wasn't even married! Her crime was having a boyfriend. In islam, that is a crime!
Only in islam, can a person who is not married commit adultery. And only in islam, can people who smash someone's skull with a rock not be considered killers.
Only in islam is having a boyfriend a crime and murder not a crime.
Amazing. I must be dreaming. Having a nightmare is more like it. Is this truly the 21st century on planet earth?
Get rid of islam. I'm doing my part with my blog
there's something about islam
There's an article on stoning there with a video.
The best way may be to broadcast photos and videos if available, far and wide.
If there is one person on this planet who is for this sort of "behaviour" then I would like to see that person as a target and no one else.
There are a few videos of stonings around on the I/N. They seem to take from 3 to 10 minutes if you have the stomach.
Go have a look at some. They bury you up to the knees so you cannot fall over. Look at the mirth, at the convulsions of those head injured but still not dead, at the eyeball hanging out of the socket or the jaw torn away and the growing rash of red spots on the hypocritical white shroud and at the glee with which the air fills with stones...and there are people out there who INSIST that these scum are HUMAN. Not by my standards they are. The only thing missing are the peanut sellers.
After WW2 everyone said that it could not happen again and once China had ceased its blooodletting the public execution became a true figment of man's most immmemorable and disgusting past. But there was always the undercurrent of pus that is islam waiting to burst out and flood the world with its virulence and its bloodstains.
Cautery to this human wound is what is necessary.
How can one person be stoned for committing adultery? By definition shouldn't there (at least) be two?
For a "religion" that claims Jesus was a prophet, islam goes out of its way to do the opposite. Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" in the exact same circumstance...oh wait, muslims THINK they are without sin.
Do the rocks come out of the heads of those throwing them?
If she were an apostate, I'd sign the petition, but, if she's a member of the cult and breaks the cult's laws, and the U.N. Human Rights Commission doesn't see any way to stop it, then I have to defer to Kofi Anan's superior understand of the cult of the pedophile "prophet".
But at least have a U.N. observer there to videotape the bestial Muslim communal murder and then show it on the evening news.
The more the free world sees the acts that the Koran and Hadiths demand, the less the Religion of Peace b.s. will work.
Kill on, Islam.
Kill on.
She was married,
Tehran, 29 June (AKI) - A court in the northwestern Iranian city of Urmia has sentenced a Kurdish woman, Malak Ghorbany, found guilty of committing adultery to death by stoning - a sentence rarely carried out in recent years. The court also sentenced the woman's brother Abu Bakr Ghorbai and husband Mohammad Daneshfar to six years in jail for killing her lover. Stoning death sentences decreased after international pressure on former reformist president Mohammad Khatami contributed to the end of such rulings in the late 1990s. The punishment was however never scrapped from the penal code of the Islamic Republic.
The whole problem is...she is a woman. A woman gets the maximum punishment for male rage. She disobeyed the male dominated rules for female behavior. Really p*ssed the men off. Other women may decide to do things they want to do. Can't have that can we?
Ask the moderate Muslim clerics in Europe and the USA if they condemn this, quoting the theological justification.
Watch them squirm.
Muslims riot over a few cartoons, but this murder in their name and..........nothing.
Update: The petition's web site is working again.
Ellerslie needs to be banned. I don't normally call for this, but he is adding nothing to the debate, nor is he exposing Islam the way Naseem does. Rather than have someone who detracts from the debates in such a big way, it's time the hosts took him out. And I agree with somethingaboutislam - if he's for real, he needs to be disemboweled.
On the petition itself, anyone followed what happened to Nazanin? There are hundreds, if not thousands of people who go through this every day in dar ul Islam. On what criteria do we pick Ghorbany over others? They can only be saved after Islam is discredited. Sorry to sound mean, but that has to be one of the last priority of us infidels.
Hi, longtime lurker, first time poster.
I read all the articles and mostly all the comments.
I'm not gonna be the type to have a debate with trolls because I'm not well versed in Islam or their books. Although I do have an understanding of what Islam intends to do and how they are doing it.
I did not sign this petition because I figure that she knew what her actions would bring upon herself and she did it anyways.
Do I feel sorry for her?, well, yes and no. Yes because nobody deserves to die such a horrific death, no because she chose to stay a muslim in sharia dominated lands.
I may be making assumptions about her that may be false and if thats the case, then I'm sorry.
But if you're gonna play with the lions, then don't cry when you get mauled.
Irony?
"Whats the alternative free her to corrupt more people in the society" /muslim apologist
Head sawing videos are something to emulate.
Welcome Infidel_Dog
The ACLU has decided lethal injections for death row inmates is in humane.
Wouldn't their heads spin like a top with stoning?
The petition site seems to be down again.
I'll try later.
Thanks Carolyn2, I enjoy your posts.
There are alot of well informed posters on this site I enjoy reading.
Someday, hopefully soon and not soon enough we won't have a reason for this site to exist and when that day comes there will be alot of people to thank, and not just Mr. Spencer or Hugh but intelligent people such as yourself and others like you.
I wonder whether it might be possible to make this post into a "sticky" that stays near the top for a while until the outcome of the Ghorbany matter is decided. There are 622 signatures on the petition as of my signing. JW/DW gets thousands of unique hits a day.
Ellerslie should be allowed to continue to post. While his entry above is truly appalling, it can serve as a call to arms. Is this wretch a Jihadist agent provocateur, writing in the guise of a demented Brit, or is he really an extremely hateful example of the self-loathing Dhimmi? Your guess is as good as mine. In either instance, he gives good value, if only because he reminds us of why we fight.
It is none of our business what Muslims do with
their women-be it genital mutilation or stoning, etc.
In fact, it is in our interest to encourage the practice of true Islam. That's the surest way of destroying Muslim societies.
"I wonder whether it might be possible to make this post into a "sticky" that stays near the top for a while until the outcome of the Ghorbany matter is decided. There are 622 signatures on the petition as of my signing. JW/DW gets thousands of unique hits a day."
Posted by: Dhimmisoftheworldunite
I tried for 666, but just missed out.
sounds like a good idea Dhimmisoftheworldunite
Profitsbeard, Infidel Pride, Infidel_Dog, george_rem, and anyone else not willing to sign the petition:
Yes, she may have known what she was risking, and yes, she is a muslim, and yes, news of this sort of barbaric execution will disgust anyone in the civilized world who hears of it.
But she is a human being, and NO human being deserves to die in this way.
Or if that is not sufficient reason for you, consider that if the UN stepped in to stop this, then that in itself would be a significant setback for sharia, and make bigger news than yet another mohammedan killing.
Please reconsider, and please sign the petition.
I finally signed the petition, but I feel like it is about as effective as pissing on a forest fire.
These "people" do not react to words no matter how loudly shouted. They only react to force, and it will take lots of it.
She's a member of this cult through birth, and geography.She is an oppressed female in an oppressive society. She has known nothing else through brainwashing from birth. She is not evil, islam is.
How many more video tapes need to be 'seen' by the blind U.N. observers.
Never mind the publicity that could be gleaned from her barbaric execution.....I think it would be nice to save a Human life regardless of profit (publicity).
A dog wouldn't deserve to die like that - although a case could be made that it would be a fitting end for Wee Willie Wallace (by the way, his English is too poor for a Brit)
Infidel Pride: "Ellerslie needs to be banned. I don't normally call for this, but he is adding nothing to the debate, nor is he exposing Islam the way Naseem does."
I know how you feel. I wanted the savage banned when he first posted under the moniker Khalid bin Waleed, celebrating the gruesome torture and deaths of our soldiers in Iraq:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011912.php#c231749
Now that we know he also endorses the brutal stoning to death of Malak Ghorbany, it raises the question of why any civilized people should be forced to endure the depraved posts of a barbarian.
Aardvark: We have tried to save the third world before, with disastrous results. Look at the (lack of) results of bringing massive aid and modern medicine to Africa.
No. Let them fend for themselves. Focus your charity on your compatriots.
george_rem: "Look at the (lack of) results of bringing massive aid and modern medicine to Africa.
No. Let them fend for themselves."
You might be interested in this article from an African (I assume black? but its not all that clear to me - via Lawrence Auster), entitled "Let Africa Sink":
http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/essays/36/
What this author is advocating re Africa doesn't seem much different to me than what Hugh is arguing vis a vis the Muslim world. In other words, the western liberal approach is dead, finis. It hasn't worked. We can't rescue all these 3rd world peoples mired in their corruption and self-defeating ideologies no matter how much we might wish to do so. All our attempts have failed and have required an impossible amount of sweat and tears to literally no avail. It's time for TOUGH LOVE. Also along these lines is this great video that americaningermany posted about the immigration problem in the US. Be sure to watch long enough to get past the charts to the gumballs, cause that will surely bring the futility of the liberal approach to rescuing nonwesterners home (also note that this video is from someone concerned about the ENVIRONMENTAL problem posed to the west through massive immigration)...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871651411393887069
(Just click on that "f" looking thing on the left to play)
Signed it. But I just don't believe that signing petitions will ever get us anywhere. At most, we can hope to extract a 'strongly-worded letter' from the UN, which will fly straight into the trash bin at the Iranian foreign ministry, while poor Malak will rest in earth.
Unfortunately, victims of Islamofascism continue to arrive in dozens. This is just in:
Nigeria : Mob Stones Woman To Death For Evangelizing
I don't even expect a resolution condemning this.
aardvark-
I'll let the Europeans handle this one.
They were swift enough and sufficiently militant -and able to appear in the millions by the very next weekend- to march through all of the streets of the EU, from London to Paris, Rome to Stockholm, when the U.S. wanted to oppose a mass-murdering dictator.
They can just as easily mobilize and flood the highways and by-ways, now, over this outrage, to show their deep concern for the Iranian woman's rights, right?
If they could "bring it to the streets" in order to oppose a war against a tyrant doing far worse than merely smashing one lady's skull to mush with low-tech rocks, they will surely rouse the conscience of tens of millions, by this coming Sunday, and the avenues and boulevards of the continent will be filled with righteous protestors screaming to save her skin, true?
(The Saddam-gassed Kurds- 5,000 or more men, women and children- meant nothing to them, for some reason, though.)
But railing against the 'Hyper-power of the Right-wing Christian fundamentalist cowboys' got them motivated quick.
I'm afraid, in this case, I have to defer to the superior wisom of the Continental geniuses.
Whatever they do, I'll support.
If they march, I'll sign.
"...wisdom..."
(-even as a joke I had a hard time writing the conjunction of words: "wisdom of the Continental geniuses.")
Maybe it was there with Voltaire and Volta, Montaigne and Marconi, Fra Angelico and Fermi, Mary Wollstonecraft and Madame Curie.
But now?
George Galloway and Jacques Chirac?
(Their stongest voices, they allow to be silenced permanently - like Theo Van Gogh- or hushed legalistically in court- as with Orianna Falacci.)
I wouldn't worry about what Ellerslie or any other Muslim poster says here. After all what can we expect from a bunch of barbarians who wipe their noses with stones?(subtle enough?)
Let them come here with their depraved arab views of what they like to call civilisation but we know better.
All that they do is reinforce the fact that the coming armageddon will wipe the slate as clean as it has ever been since 632 AD and this is irrespective of the coming of the 12th imam.
Let them rant and rave, as it just removes any doubt from your heart, any belief in the existence of the "moderate" muslim and any sympathy for the coming fate of ALL muslims.
"the western liberal approach is dead, finis. It hasn't worked. We can't rescue all these 3rd world peoples mired in their corruption and self-defeating ideologies no matter how much we might wish to do so."
It could work, if we revived the conviction of classical Western Colonialism -- that the West is obviously superior to the Third World.
Otherwise, floundering in the self-contradictory paradox of coddling "noble savages" while condescending to them with our liberal multiculturalism, as we have done since PC became dominant over the past 50-odd years, we will just perpetuate the shambles those savages have been in for millennia.
"no because she chose to stay a muslim in sharia dominated lands."
Welcome Infidel Dog. Read a bit more on this site and you will understand that she didn't 'choose to stay a muslim', because leaving islam is called apostasy and that is punishable by... you guessed it: death.
As for staying in sharia dominated lands, again a bit more reading will show you that women in such lands have no control at all over their own movements. They cannot even leave the house without male supervision/permission, and getting a passport without her husband's permission would have been impossible.
I understand where you're coming from - it is hard to believe just how horrible these societies are, but the more you find out the more you realise that they are sick to the core.
Yes Lili, I seemed to overlook the fact that she couldn't choose to leave her home or her religion. She doesn't have that right where she lives.
I take it for granted that I live in a civilized free democratic society and my mind just assumes that everyone else has the same freedoms as I do, the freedom of choice. But we know better and for that I am ashamed.I shall sign the petition and ask for forgiveness of my ignorance.
I don't mind signing a petition or two. And I'm definitely for publicizing events like this, so that everyone can begin to understand what Islam stands for, and what it is.
But I think this is mostly an internal matter for the Iranians to resolve. When Muslims kill Muslims because their "holy Qur'an" mandates it, our best option is to take note and step back.
No, it is true that women in Islamic countries do not have freedom of movement, or freedom to choose a romantic partner, or freedom to leave Islam. Just as women in the U.S. had to fight for the right to vote, drive a car, go to college, etc., it is up to the Iranian women to make that change. And if the other 50% of the Iranian population (aka "men") supports beating women and stoning women to death and having 9 year old girls for wives, what does that tell you? Either the "vast majority of moderates" will change their society to something more closely resembling humanity, or we will have to start to admit the the "vast majority of moderates" is a figment of our wishful imagination.
I am against continuing the politically-correct fiction that "they" are all just like "us", that "they" have the same values as "us", and if we just can forcibly export democracy on them (see Iraq and Afghanistan), they will suddenly become Farsi-speaking clones of "us". We see ourselves as gallant knights riding to the aid of a damsel in distress; but that is no Guinevere under that burqua, and that is no lone villain threatening her. It is their entire society that is corrupt, by our standards. By their standards, we are lowly scum infidels trying to meddle in the ways of Allah. Let them change their society, or let them enjoy living in the 7th Century in perpetuity.
Infidel_Dog I wouldn't worry too much about being wrong as we all suffer from cultural shock when we finally understand that the barbarity of islam is not the whim of some few malicious people who misinterpret the koran but the why and how of the principle AIM of islam which is world domination by ANY means fair or foul although foul seem to be the implicit Islamic way as fair actually gives the other side a chance..
The shock that we all receive when we finally read the Koran and the Hadith and /or the textbook on Sharia law is that even the boundaries of thought are catered for here in the Koran and this there is no freedom whatsoever under the yoke of Muhammad, better known as Islam. All violence is not just condoned in the Koran it is preached as the quickest and the most desirable way to that hellhole called Islamic heaven for the individual and for world domination for Islam.
People who think thnat the Nazis were bad have not studied their islamic History. Islam taught the Nazis everyhting that they knew even genocide which has ALWAYs been an Islamic tool.
quote:" am against continuing the politically-correct fiction that "they" are all just like "us.
Agreed totally but you if see a Muslim who acts like a rabid dog then he is just a confused human who misinterprets the Koran. But if I call him a rabid subhuman and suggest a very approriate way in which to deal with him than I am called a racist or similar bigot. It is analagous to the PC prisoner schemes of tghe late 20th century which gave far more support to the rights of criminals and far less to that of their victims.
The ONLY chance we have is IF we call a spade a spade and recognise that Islam is the problem and like Nazism OUTLAW it an its supporter.
Until then it is all political bull effluent as no matter how much whitewash is used it cannot hind the stink of 1400 years of dead mutilated bodies.
The real question is WHY do ALL of our politicians tiptoe around this subject and refuse to act upon what is now general knowledge?
Why do they STILL insist upon supporting ANY islamic regime? Withdraw ALL western services and manpower and ALL would collapse like a bag of bull effluent.
It has probably something to do with oil money but surely no one can be that myopic? Or can they?
Any guesses?
How many Western mainstream newspapers have actually mentioned this case? Has anyone seen even a short note, not to speak about a frontpage story?
Just wondering, given the endless amount of pages in MSM dedicated to the "human rights" of Islamic terrorists, supposedly violated by bad, bad, bad Western governments?
Khalid bin Walid
You are Filth. If you are a demented agent provocateur go to Ummah.com and score on Brownie points.
Re:Malak Ghorbany.
C'mon Folks. When did she ever get to choose for herself? Brainwashed and brutalized from the day she was born. Marriage 'arranged' to someone Islamic Males considered advantageous to them.
Hope she enjoyed all the love & lust possible with her now dead [he was probably tortured & died horribly too]lover.
Don't let our hatred of Islam make us hate its victims. Have your hearts really become as hard as rocks and stones? Please,please think again of
saving an unfortunate human being from a death of unimaginable cruelty.
I thought about signing it, and have decided against it. It will do nothing to save her or anyone else in Iran. I am convinced that Iran is truly a place governed by such evil forces, that no petition based upon assuming the enemy is reasonable will suffice. The fact that no one there would dream of picking up a stone and hurling it at the prosecutor and the judge is evidence enough that the citizens are complicit in their own sufferings. No one would dream of killing the evil judges and mullahs. No one will. No one. They are all evil. No more reasoned petitions. They serve only to make those who process them feel good about having done something, without actually doing anything. The time for appealing to the Masters of Islamic Deceit have to come to an end. We must begin telling the truth mercilessly about Islam. It is a false religion. A death cult. Its followers are willing dupes. Its god is Satan. Its prophet was a liar. End of discussion.
Jauhara, alas, I have no great hopes that signing it will actually save the woman, but signed on the off chance.
But as you say: "we must begin telling the truth mercilessly about islam", and distributing the link to our friends is a means of doing that. Many will be shocked that this is happening and will wake up a bit more to the truth about islam.
Morgane said
Who here said that they hate Malak Ghorbany? I think you may be arguing against an point-of-view of your own creation.
But Malak Ghorbany is not a victim of Islam in the sense of an old Jewish woman sitting on a bus in Jerusalem, or a commuter on the London train on 7/7, or a businessman sitting in the WTC on 9/11. She is also a member of a society that chose to implement shariah law, and is now enjoying the benefits of living under shariah law.
I agree about the link. It is almost unwatchable. very difficult. I remember when Nick Berg was beheaded by these bastards, and I saw the video, and it was enough to send me to my knees. My eldest daughter, who was 18 at the time later saw it. She didn't realize what the link was when she clicked it, but later that night, she was weeping, and for the longest time, I couldn't get a word out of her. Only racking sobs. When she finally told me what so disturbed her, I wanted to kick myself for leaving the link in my history, but then I thought, Nick Berg wasn't much older than my daughter. I then told her, since she was going to college in the fall, that she must be very careful of what her professors say, because they whitewash Islam. I told her that THIS was ISLAM, and to be careful. She has never forgotten the lesson. Later, it was reinforced when our Iraqi neighbors lost a cousin and his son to kidnappers, who shot the four year old boy in front of his father, before killing him, too.
I guess I had an instant change of heart, because, when I started reading this thread, I was really for signing the petition. Until I clicked over to the link to Amnesty International from the Iran-e Azad website.
I used to belong to this organization. I used to write letters on behalf of christians and dissidents in the Soviet Union. I wrote embassy officials and presidents, yada yada yada. The soviets were civilized in comparison. I am pasting the obsequeous greeting AI urges us to use for writing to these soulless barbarians:
APPEALS TO:
1) Leader of the Islamic Republic
His excellency Ayatollah Sayed ëAli Khamenei
The Presidency, Palestine Avenue
Azerbaijan Intersection, Tehran, Islamic Republic of Iran
Telegrams: Ayatollah Khamenei, Tehran Iran
Faxes: + 98 21 650203 (via Interior Ministry, ask for fax to be forwarded)
Salutation: Your Excellency
2) President
Hojjatoleslam val Moslemin Sayed Mohammad Khatami
The Presidency, Palestine Avenue
Azerbaijan Intersection, Tehran, Islamic Republic of Iran
Telegrams: President Khatami, Tehran Iran
Faxes: + 98 21 67490 (via Foreign Affairs, ask for fax to be forwarded)
Salutation: Your Excellency
Note the words: "Your excellency"
I say: Screw that Shi'ite! What would Patton say....and just say that. Hell, we know this woman will never be freed, they will simply kill her quietly. I say we just start a taunting war. Mail the psychos a pound of bacon and tell them where they will be frying it.
Television: "It could work, if we revived the conviction of classical Western Colonialism -- that the West is obviously superior to the Third World."
That scenario is pretty hard to imagine at this point. On the other hand, though, a recent post here, "Beware the New Goths are Coming"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2220267,00.html
heralds a future which could potentially FORCE western Europeans into a renewed colonialism, merely as a defensive, survival mechanism. I guess we'll find out whether or not Europeans want to survive.
Muslims claim Jesus as their prophet yet don't know what he taught.
John 8:7 (NIV)
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
How appropriate in this situation.
Posted by: Caroline:
"In other words, the western liberal approach is dead, finis. It hasn't worked. We can't rescue all these 3rd world peoples mired in their corruption and self-defeating ideologies no matter how much we might wish to do so. All our attempts have failed and have required an impossible amount of sweat and tears to literally no avail."
I write from Africa, and although I have lived here all my life, I am not an African. Caroline, I agree with everything you say.
All the money, the trillions of dollars in "aid" poured into Africa have done nothing except enrich despot dictators and buy them arms which they use to kill any rivals. NONE of it has been used to "uplift" the people or reduce their poverty.
And in just about every case where you see an initiative to drag the population out of poverty, for some strange reason you'll find a European or someone of European decent, at the helm.
Democracy in Africa is a joke! It's un-African and unwelcome. Any moves towards "democracy" in the vast majority of cases are merely lip-service to cajole more money from the liberal do-gooders in Scandinavia, France, England, Germany, the USA and, the world's great liberal concience, Canada.
And as the leaders rant and rave about colonial "opression", they don't seem to realise that every piece of ruined infrastructure they posses was made possible by those self-same "opressors" - even the television stations they use to spew forth their anti-west venom.
But hey! The weather's great!
Well, isn't it an irony that people stoned in Iran are Moslems themselves. Doesn't this tell us that Islam is so weak such that its teachings don't influence its own followers? Then we have the ones who actually try to teach others the teachings of Islam by throwing the stones and inflicting harm to another human being for having NOT learned the teachings of Islam! Blind leading the Blind. In Islam, it's a great sin to inflict harm to yourself or others. I think all these moslems ought to go back to the basics and firstly learn that before anything they are human beings. (Or may be they really aren't and I'm humongously mistaken!!
The whole world is heading toward a massive fascism to take it over and burn anything which doesn't conform to Islam. Let's wait and reap the fruits of the Yankees and the Brits who bowed to this fascism. Just to make a few dime for themselves.
Condemn this act of Barbarism and say a BIG NO to Islam before it takes over the world.