Seattle jihad shooter: "Peace be upon you"

This incident is a perfect example of why Jews need their own state. Jews were not safe in Europe, and with the Muslim population growing rapidly throughout the world and now America, Jews are not even safe in the US any more. Now if only the Jews could get rid of the Muslims living, working and voting in Israel...some people predict that soon Muslims will outnumber Jews in Israel, because of their much higher birth rates. The only long term answer is for an Islamic reformation or mass apostasy. I fear for the future of the human race.

And here's an egregious non-sequitur from Reuters, from tvnz.co.nz http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411749/798654
, the last line of the "report" on the shooting:
n 1999, white supremacist Buford Furrow went on a shooting rampage at a Jewish community center outside Los Angeles, wounding five people including children. Later that day, he shot and killed a Filipino mail carrier.

Appalling, but not surprising.

It's truly an astonishing coincidence that every Jihadist murderer and terrorist always suffers from mental illness. It's like, if you're a Muslim and you become mentally ill, you immediately become angry at Israel/Jews/infidels/Western civilization/women who are unveiled/blahblah and then kill someone.

Next thing you know, some Islamophobe will probably suggest that Islam is causing this behavior. Ridiculous!

Folks,

Being Muslim is like being sick with mental illness.

This Naveed Haq is crazy. Call it mentally ill if you want. That by itself did not make him gun down five Jewish women like a yellow bellied coward. Islam had to be added to the mix. Within the last few months Muhammadan "crazies" have been acting out here (USA)

1-Naveed Haq
2-The Muslim who plowed his car into the Home Depot paint section while shouting "Allah Akbar" (Arizona)
3- NC University crazy plowing into students there w/ his car
4- The son of Allah who was drunk and plowed into people outside a nightclub he had been "humiliated" in

A perfect time for the jewish leaders to hit hard on the hate filled brainwashing of young muslims by mullahs. They must speak out and speak out forcefully about the truth.

Islam uses a feral calculus when killing it's enemies. Go after the unarmed fertile women who can make make more Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists.

Jordanian soldier kills 7 Israeli schoolgirls
March 13, 1997
Motive unclear:
The gunman's motives were not immediately known. Jordanian soldiers at the scene said he "went crazy."

DETAILS:

NAHARAYIM, Jordan (CNN) -- A Jordanian soldier opened fire Thursday on Israeli junior high school girls visiting a border observation post. At least seven girls died, and six were injured, two critically.

Jordan's King Hussein expressed outrage at the killings, but defended his earlier warning that Israel's hard-line policies could cause an outbreak of violence. He cut short a visit to Spain to return to Jordan.

Witnesses said a bus dropped off about 40 girls at the observation post on the Jordan River island of Naharayim -- known as the "Island of Peace'' -- on the Israeli-Jordanian border.

While the girls admired the view, there was a hail of automatic gunfire as the soldier, Lance Cpl. Ahmed Yousef Mustafa, chased the terrified seventh- and eighth-graders down a hill. He had changed ammunition clips before he was overpowered by other Jordanian soldiers, authorities said.

 

"Crazy."

The entire Muslim world consists largely of people who are raised in a politico-theological belief-system that offers a Total Regulation of Life and a Complexe Explanation of the Universe. The idea that the Qur'an contains all of wisdom and includes all the scientific discoveries that have been made since its appearance, or that ever will be made (in this respect the Qur'an is like the famous Master of Balliol, Benjamin Jowett: "I am the master of this college/And what I don't know isn't knowledge) is or must be rejected by the more intelligent, but the more intelligent have to be wary of expressing their doubts, for this totalitarian belief-system has its enforcers, or rather the Qur'an and Sunnah prescribe what should be done to those who fall away from Belief into Unbelief. Thus does the open expression of any kind of skepticism, or the open encouragement, of any kind of free inquiry, become discouraged -- on pain, often, of death, or at least complete social ostracism (loss of family and friends) and economic marginalization (loss of job).

In this world, what rational non-Muslims regard as "crazed" behavior is not crazed at all. Look at those all-male mobs, one after the other, screaming their hate all over the Muslim world. Look at those dull-eyed hijabbed prematurely aged women, mere breeders kept in permanent thrall, look at the level of what passes for schooling, what pass for universities, what passes for coverage of the world in the Arab press and television. Look at the effect on a billion believers of being taught, being inculcated with the idea, that Muhammad was the Perfect Man, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil, and then simultaneously having to reconcile this article of Faith with what Muhammad was really like, in his wars and his loot-grabbing and booty-distribution, in his laughingly regarding the massacres of helpless prisoners, or encouraging, and welcoming the news of, the assassination of anyone who dared to mock him (Asma bint Marwan), and then there were his attacks on the innocent farmers of Khaybar (this unprovoked attack on helpless farmers is described in an AP dispatch yesterday on the new Iranian-supplied rocket used by Hezbollah, a dispatch written by one Kathy Gannon, as being named after the "battle of Khaybar" -- some battle.

All of this makes an entire society "crazy." It makes it far more prone to crazed views of the world, crazed hatred of Infidels (for they are to be hated, and if they are to be hated, no matter what, it is important to tell onself, to convince oneself and all other Infidels, that the Infidels are terrible, that the Infidels are monsters, that the Infidels even when they try to do seeming good to Muslims are in fact always scheming against them). And all of this makes people deny so many parts of reality, so many obvious definitions of "good" and "evil" that their heads spin, and they live in a constant miasma -- what I have been calling, and Robert carefully calls above -- the "atmospherics" of Islam. And those "atmospherics" are reproduced even in the Lands of the Infidels, wherever Muslims live with other Muslims, or even by themselves, when they live in a universe mentally formed by, and limited mostly to, Islam.

Muslim apologists tell us that this or that individual Muslim was crazy. Taheri-Reza was "crazy." And the Jordanian who killed those seven little girls visiting the Peace Garden in 1997 was "crazy." The Egyptian soldier who killed Israeli children and their parents visiting in Egypt was declared "crazy." The copilot of that Egypt Air plane was "crazy." The terrorist here, the terrorist there -- all "crazy."

Well, are all the members of Hamas and Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda and Lashkar-e-Taiba and the thousand other groups all "crazy"? The views of all of them, the support they all give to the acts of that Jordanian soldier, that Egyptian soldier, that Iranian tarheel, that shooter at LAX, that smiling yearbook boy above who was mad at Israel and who did not what was "crazy" but what all Muslims will understand, just as they will understand the need to call him "crazy" (and some in the American police and FBI will want eagerly to go along with this fiction).

But let's take for now a different tack. Let's agree that a certain number of people in every society get depressed. Let's agree that they get mad at someone and something. The problem is that Muslims take as the Perfect Man someone who led a life not akin to that of Jesus, but a life full of warfare, full of violence. And he is their Model for All Time. He is the best. The violence of Islamic societies, the high premium placed on warfare, the readiness to fight, the willingness to die, possibly has, over 1350 years helped to breed out the less violent, those inclined to a certain meek-and-mildness, and has encouraged the predominance of the more violent in the Muslim gene-pool.

I will simply repost here what was put up about Taheri-reza, the North Carolina student, born of Muslim parents who did not take Islam seriously, but he, in his mental disarray, did:

"Please let us echo in your ears that my brother was and always has been a kind, gentle and pure soul,” she read from a statement. “His current actions and words are as much a source of shock and distress to us as they are to you.”
-- from this AP article, from the sister of the kind and gentle soul who plowed an SUV into a crowd of college students.

No doubt, for a Muslim, much of it true -- he is a "kind, gentle and pure soul" in many ways. But not toward Infidels. There the adjectives begin to jostle one another. The purer his Islam, the less kind and gentle he would be toward Infidels -- as the Qur'an tells him (48:29), as the Hadith makes clear in its most authoritative recensions, as the example of Muhammad instructs.

And when an Infidel experiences mental desarroi or depression, he can blame his parents, his children, his siblings, his karma, The System, Amerika, the stars, fate, his cholesterol level, his serotonin level, or even --- himself. When a Muslim falls into any kind of distress, with that mental vademecum and pocket prism through which to view the universe, Islam, he can blame the Infidel. (And this assumes, which may not be true, that Taheri-azar did not quite take the tenets and attitudes of Islam as much to heart before, when he was merely that "kind, gentle and pure soul.")

This kind of thing, this Muslim version of the old immigrant mother in the Jimmy-Cagney movie assuring the police that "my boy's a good boy," is particularly telling. For it happens all the time, with suspect after suspect -- the terrorists in London or Madrid or elsewhere are always being described, by a brother, an uncle, a father, someone, as "kind" and "gentle" and "pure." The message always is: How Could It Possibly Have Happened?

Now, two things are possible. Both should not relieve, but increase, the alarm and suspicion felt by intelligent Infidels. One possibility is that this sister is flatly lying, that she knows perfectly well her brother was consumed with the anti-Infidel teachings of Islam, and had given many signs of it. The possibility is that all these family members (that uncle of one of the London bombers, who first expressed his "amazement" at his nephew's action, and later expressed not amazement at all, but pride in the actions) understand perfectly why their son, brother, nephew, did what he did, and the obvious sources for his attitudes and actions.

The second possibility, far less likely, but still conceivable in a few cases, is that some of these people really are not quite aware of the natural effect of Islam on those who take Islam seriously. Again and again "moderate" Muslims, or those who are not even really Muslims but rather "Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only" Muslims, have themselves been amazed, when they return to a Muslim environment, to see the effect of Islam. How many of those the American government listened to in fashioning its Iraq policies were of the latter kind, the Allawi-Chalabi-Makiya kind -- the essentially secular Shi'a who had spent decades in the West and became westernized, and forgot or allowed themselves to forget just how crazy, how aggressive, how conspiratorial, how antipathetic to the ideas of compromise and power-sharing and common sense, is the world of Islam, a world that combines a dreamy blend of inshallah-fatalism with the duty of Jihad, which requires action, action, action (not the action of Western man, going to work every day, piling one stone on another to build the edifice of an economy or a civilization). That action is not to build but to either destroy (what the Infidel has) or to appropriate it (through Jizyah in all of its disguised and undisguised forms) or to seize it, as Muhammad seized the booty of those he would declare, in order to seize that booty, his enemies, such as the inoffensive Jewish farmers of the Khaybar Oasis.

So which is it? Is it the deliberate attempts by all these family members of all these terrorists to deceive us, which means they are exhibiting the problem with so-called "moderate Muslims" whose behavior simply deceives us and keeps us fooled a bit longer?

Or are those family members themselves fooled? And if they are, then how is that Infidels should be expected to detect the Muslim immigrant who is like, or will turn out to be, just like Taheri-azar, and the one who is like, or will turn out to be, just like his presumably inoffensive sister? If "only" 10% of Muslims in the West support "suicide bombing" (the figure is much higher in the opinion polls) or "only" 40% of Muslims in England support the imposition of Sharia' law in England -- which would mean the end of England as it has slowly been fashioned since the days of the Standing Stones of Callanish, and Stonehenge, and woad-painted tribesman -- what does this mean?

Why should Infidels take a chance, if the likelihood of their being able to distinguish the "moderate" from the "immoderate" Muslim is even slimmer than that of the closest relatives of those Muslims found to have engaged in would-be, or successful, acts of terrorism -- and given that the problem is complicated by the "My Son the Fanatic" problem where the children or grandchildren of "moderates" who may be classified mainly as economic migrants "return" to Islam, with dangerous consequences for Infidels?

The sister of Taheri-azar, like all the other relatives "amazed" at the "inexplicable" behavior of their relatives, are apparently unable cannot figure out what it is, what doctrines and attitudes, what passages in what set of texts, taken seriously, might have caused her kind, her gentle, her pure-souled brother to do what he did.

She can't figure it out. But we can."

It is time, we infidels go *crazy*.

Looks like this courageous Shahid shot women who were Jewish and Christian. This building also housed organizations (charities) that were not Jewish --->>>

One of the victims was identified by family members as 23-year-old Layla Bush. "We just heard she's alive a minute or two ago," said her mother, Kathryn Bush, from her home in Panama City, Fla. The other wounded victims have been identified as Carol Goldman, Dayna Klein, Christina Rexroad and Cheryl Stumbo.

The media is tripping all over itself to find all sorts of excuses and make him out to be a bad muslim.

'Mental Illness'

Here's the numbers: The average middle eastern man has an IQ of 84 (Dr. Lynn study):

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2006/02/world-of-difference-richard-lynn-maps.php

Given a normal distribution curve, approximately 17% of the population is clinically suffering from mental retardation (threshold IQ of 70). That's about 180 million people.

"Then I expect CAIR will stop enflaming tensions with trumped-up hate crimes and speciously vague condemnations of terrorism."

CAIR literally has to make mountains out of moll hills in a desperate attempt to draw equivalency between moll hills and the many mountain ranges of Islamic intolerance and violence. It's offending ordinary folks.

The situation with Islam generally is similar to that of the Soviet Union in the late 1970s and 1980's when it was becoming apparent that the Soviet system was a complete failure and morally bankrupt. The USSR under Brezhnev and later Andropov became increasingly repressive and aggressive because the Soviet leadership sensed that once the Soviets faced the facts the system would collapse. In a similar manner, CAIR and other apologists for Islam have to divert issues because it is too dangerous to look at reality.

Islam is an intolerant religion that is prone to violence. That is reality.

I was listening to the Seattle radio stations last evening. Unfortunately, the conservative stations didn't have any live hosts at that hour, so I listened to the squishy lib station. A local spokesman for the islamic community called in (he was just returning from an anti-Israel rally) and expressed his shock at the actions of the shooter. Thankfully, a very articulate jew called in just after him and told the host that we needed to study the texts of this religion and see if there is something about islam that is causing this. He was as circumspect as he needed to be to avoid being cut off. Several callers made the same point, including a jewish caller from New Jersey, who countered the host's position that all religions have crazys. He asked where are the Jewish, Christian, and Buddhist crazys? Even an agnostic made the same point. There were many calls from the usual 'can't we just sit down and talk together?' crowd of useful idiots.
As the show progressed, the host got to the point of throwing up his hands and saying that we really didn't know much about what had happened, yet. It could have been a muslim or maybe a jew that did the shooting.... maybe it was just some disgruntled employee, or jilted lover... It was sad to hear such denial of the obvious, but I was encouraged to hear some people getting the truth on the air.

Anybody would be "crazy" to believe in this devil inspired cult.

Limes:
Here is a big chart that summarizes world IQ from the same study
http://www.isteve.com/IQ_Table.htm

FWIW I've met many Muslim Arabs here (USA) and none have struck me as stupid. Of course this might be explained by the "self selection" process that some immigrants go through. Mexicans for example do not go through this process because it's so damn easy for them to gain entry.

This is the tip of the iceberg so to speak. America has a Muslim problem. But we knew this since September 11, 2001. What can be done since as Robert says, this will be made into a problem of mental illness like Andrea Yates? Maybe my own country, the land of my birth, has become mentally ill?

One more previous posting on the same theme, this one prompted by the argument of Moussaoui's court-appointed defense lawyer, that Moussaoui must be "crazy" (bonkers, nuts, cingle), put here because the list of what melancholic or thwarted Infidels may blame is included, as a contrast to the limited list ("Infidels") readily available to Muslims as a result of their having the prefabricated mental grid of Islam:

"The list of mitigating circumstances that apparently resulted in Moussaoui receiving a life sentence instead of the death penalty reads like a parody of everything that is most sentimental and silly in modern psychiatry (Karl Kraus: "Psychoanalysis is the disease for which it is supposed to be the cure").

What the prosecution should have done, but apparently felt it could not do, or possibly simply did not ever even think of doing, was to preempt both the "insanity" and the "on account of he's deprived" excuses, and set out clearly why Moussaoui did what he did with clear and uninhibited discussion of that book he was clutching -- the Qur'an -- and with the Qur'an, the Hadith. And with the Hadith, the figure of Muhammad, uswa hasana and al-insan al-kamil.

Did the psychiatrist Dr. Vogelsang (one more Upper-West-Side name out of Lillian Ross's comical period-piece "Vertical and Horizontal") give any sign of having studied the belief-system of Islam, without which no conceivable judgment can be made about the sanity, or lack of it, of a devout Muslim such as Moussaoui?
Why didn’t the Prosecution rebut the argument of the defense lawyer that Moussaoui is "crazy" because of his wretched childhood, etc. by pointing out that a large number of other people -- such as Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawihiri and Mohammed Atta -- were children of great privilege in the case of the first two, and middle-class in the case of the third, and that furthermore studies of terrorists had found them to be far above average, in their societies, in the amount of education they had received, and in the degree of their economic wellbeing?

Lay it all out. Explain that yes, Moussaoui, like a few billion other people, may have had a "deprived" childhood. Yes, he was quick to sense any slight, and yes, he was quick to resent his treatment at the hands of Infidels, because, as a Muslim (one who grew to be more and more faithful and observant) he knew that Muslims should be on top -- not equal, but on top. Infidels lording it over him, or other Muslims, in France, were contra naturam, against the natural and just and right order of things, islamically speaking. The prosecutors should have explained that Moussaoui viewed the world through the prism of Islam, and the texts he read, the society he inhabited (both real, and virtual), taught him to blame, always and everywhere, Infidels.

Eventually this is going to have to be done. Eventually this is going to be unavoidable, if the United States and other Infidel countries are going to continue to use the criminal justice system as it is, and to continue to rely on untrained and inexpert juries who are the products of their age -- with all its sentimentality about mitigating circumstances because, you see, the blame for your behavior can always, always, be found in some part of your background, so that blame can be passed onto one's upbringing, say.

But this misses the point. There are always people who have had unhappy childhoods, unhappy adolescences, unhappy adulthoods. As noted many times before, we who are Infidels may lose status, a job, a spouse, a girlfriend or boyfriend, or suffer setbacks or perceived slights. Did not Moussaoui think he was entitled to more than he received? Yet his inshallah-fatalism prevented him from simply working hard and doing what he could to overcome, as his brother did, that same background. Why? The answer is that he took Islam far more seriously, was far more of a deep believer, than his brother.

Infidels have a thousand things to blame. They can blame their parents -- just as many on that Infidel jury wanted to blame, for Moussaoui, his treatment by his parents. They can blame their aggressive or unpleasant siblings, their ungrateful children, the System, Racism, The Man, Amerikkka, Kapitalism, Fate, the stars, their cholesterol level, their serotonin level, anything and everything at all -- even, just perhaps, themselves. But Muslim Believers have one thing to blame always at the ready. And to the extent that one takes that belief-system seriously, it is likely that one will, viewing the universe through the grid, the prism, of Islam, blame the Infidel. And that is exactly what Moussaoui did.

Unless this is going to be understood by the usual "experts" -- including those complacent psychiatrists who appear not to have thought it necessary for them to study the doctrines of Islam and what might follow and has naturally followed from them (starting with the perceived behavior of Muslims conducting Jihad over 1350 years, wherever they were able to conduct it because of local conditions or circumstances) -- then there will be more miscarriages, with justice stillborn, the result of those thanatotropic bromides and thalidomides, sentimentality and ignorance.

And what do we conclude? We have two possible conclusions:

1) Moussaoui was and is simply following the tenets of Islam faithfully, and putting into practice the requirement that at least some Muslims must engage in Jihad (in order that others may, temporarily, be relieved of the duty).

OR

2) Moussaoui became depressed, as so many of us do, all over the Infidel world as well, but in the case of Muslims, the problem is that that depression, or any kind of emotional setback, can lead to blaming the Infidel. Viewing the universe through the prism of Islam makes one almost automatically ready to blame that Infidel, and to seek revenge.

Those are the two possible explanations.

And either one has immense implications for the Muslim presence all over Europe and North America. For the sake of the legal and social order and the physical wellbeing of the resident Infidels who created those societies and have no desire to see them islamized, these implications need to be faced."

Posted May 6, 2006.

Maybe if the MSM told us the truth about why Israel were forced to defend themselves instead of the constant propaganda news about Lebanonese victims, things would be different. But then again, the mentally ill (muslims) are not susceptible to logic...

Dennis; Thanks. Agree with the 'selective migration' arguement. Lets hope that IQ correlates with challenging the teachings of the Qu'ran.

Hello there from the sunny Haifa :)

Thanks people - for your support and involvement.
Just returning from the protected falicity after a siren, I can say from the deepest corner of my heart -

Hope that soon - all Islamic fighters and their supporters will recieve an eternal "peace" upon their heads :))))))))

This type of killing - like this nice "next-door" guy Haq has commited - its a sign of weakness - nothing else. If those buttheads could have any doubts about Israel crushing Nasrallah - they would smile and remain at home. Only deep inner feeling that their fight is doomed - make them crazy.

Any of the "leaders" of their struggle - Nasrallah, Al Quaida - whatever - they keep it cool on their videos etc. only cause victory over the "infidels" never was their true aim!!!
They fight for money and power - so the fact that eventually any terroristic organization will be crushed - makes no concern. They just project self confidense and serenity to their looney followers - so they keep fighting and remain loyal.

Jihad is weak! Its just needs a nice push in the belly to make it hide in the caves. So believe me - dont be affraid to tell fellow american-islamists that the minute they question your country values - they get busted out. They still may spend a poetic lifetime in the dunes of Pakistan....

Hugh-

Interesting comments, again.

I think the idea of what is normal can indeed be warped by a collective mental illness. For example, in the Nazi death camps, Nazi beliefs about Jews and Slavs led the SS to engage in behavior that was not considered abnormal or immoral by them. The Jews and Slavs were "subhuman" (Americans were considered a "mongrel people" by Hitler.)In like manner the label "Infidel" permits Muslims to see Infidels as subhumans worthy of death.

The truth is that this perception would still exist in Germany if the Nazis had not gotten the shit kicked out of them by the subhuman Russians and the mongrel Americans. That made the Nazis face reality. I think Islam will face reality when the Islamic world (especially Muslims in the Mideast) face what Nazi Germany faced in 1945. Reason is useless in this matter.

Over the years I have met and worked with many of THEM, I will never trust one of THEM ever again. I consider every one of THEM a jihadist-in-waiting.

I am going to repeat myself - If law enfocement in Seattle can't find a hate-crime in this incident, then the people of Seattle need new prosecuters. A law enforcement official who lacks the courage the meet the enemy head-on, is a bed-wetting coward who is better suited chasing ambulances.

I am not a fan of trial lawyers; however, I will make an exception in this case. The families of the dead and injured need to file a lawsuit and put Naveed Afzal Haq, the Quran, and Sharia on trial.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/site/modules/news/

According to an investigation conducted by the Northeast Intelligence Network, HAQ might have connections to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and might have attended college in Pennsylvania sometime between 1998 and 2003. Additionally, our law enforcement sources are maintaining that HAQ was reportedly in possession of a copy Qu'ran and possessed Arabic language terrorist documents.' The shooting well planned, and HAQ might have conducted surveillance of this facility in the days before shooting.

Pelayo; Wanna bet me that the frozen pig head Mainer gets prosecuted for hate crimes before Haq? My money's on Maine. Even odds.

Maybe the PC Seattle Police Dept. is sending extra officers to protect mosques because they fear a "disproportinate" response from Seattle's Jewish community.

http://www.foehammer.net/2006/05/war-poster-islam-is-enemy.html

In your heart, you know I'm right.

(With my apologies to Barry Goldwater.)

BTW, Muslim is just as bad a word as any other I've ever had to say.

Pelayo of Asturias
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pelayo (in Spanish), Pelágio (in Portuguese), or Pelagius (in Latin) (690–737) was the founder of the Kingdom of Asturias, ruling from 718 until his death. He is credited with beginning the Christian Reconquista or reconquest of the Iberian peninsula (modern Portugal and Spain) from the Moors.

-Monument in memory of Pelayo in Covadonga-
Pelayo was a nobleman of high birth in the Visigothic kingdom that held power in Hispania from the early fifth century until its defeat by the Moors at the Battle of Guadalete in 711. He escaped capture at the Guadalete River, where he may have been one of the bodyguards of Roderic, the Visigothic king. Pelayo returned to his native Asturias (in the northern part of modern day Spain) and became the leader of a rebellion against Munuza, the Moorish governor of the area.

He was captured in 717 and imprisoned by the Moors but soon escaped and returned to Asturias, where he defeated Munuza and established the Kingdom of Asturias in 718, with its capital at Cangas de Onis. In accordance with Visigothic custom, he was elected as his nation's first king by a vote of his countrymen.

"However, the law-enforcement source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said there is no evidence Haq was involved with any group."

So, I guess Islam isn't a group? Right-wing Christians are lumped together as a group, but this Muslim isn't part of any group. How convenient for him and the FBI.

Denial, denial, denial, denial.

Yes, let's all await the first nuclear terror and then start pointing fingers of blame at one another all over again. Is it just a matter of time or do we start thinking bravely and clearly NOW and save lives tomorrow?

Your choice, folks.

I think it is very important to not engage in name calling on this site. One of the reasons I like this site (and why others will like it) is the basic appeal to reason that Spencer and Fitzgerald make on the issue of Islam and Jihad. These folks do not appeal to emotion-just the facts.

Spencer and Fitzgerald remind me of the Dragnet detectives Joe Friday and Bill Gannon (Jack Webb and Harry Morgan). I can't imagine "just the facts, please ma'am, sir" Detective Friday or Detective Gannon calling people names or permitting such behavior.

http://encyclopedia.quickseek.com/images/Gannon&Friday.png

http://dragnetdrama.quickseek.com/

Be armed and if you are not armed already then you should get armed. Someone should have shot this muslim and save us taxpayers a bunch of money and set an example. If a bomb goes off in the United States, I hope that it is in Dearborn, MI.

I choose to appeal to both emotion and facts for a very good reason: anger is nature's way of giving you the will to survive.

This guy makes a strong case for racial profiling.

I just did a Moonbat/terrorist supporter dictionary:

http://baconeatingatheistjew.blogspot.com/2006/07/moonbatterrorist-supporter-dictionary.html

Foehammer-

My dear grandmother who had a great deal of influence on me always said, "Don't get mad-get even."-LOL She was right.

He shot the innocent women and then WAS SO PROUD OF WHAT HE DID, he stuck around for the police.

He wanted the world to know it was him. The great martyr. The great muslim warrior. The killer of women.

So proud.

I live in Seattle. Yesterday, I left work early and drove with my fiance to a concert (Steeley Dan & Michael McDonald).

As I drove along Interstate-5 to pick up my fiance who works in downtown Seattle, I noticed helicopters flying over downtown and heard on the radio that there was a shooting. It turns out that the helicopters responded to the jihad shooter at the Jewish Federation located in downtown Seattle.

On my way home last night after the concert, I passed a local mosque in N. Seattle. I noticed that there was a police officer parked across the street guarding the mosque. The police officer checked me out as I drove across the intersection.

In case you are wondering, the Seattle news coverage on T.V. this morning is reporting that the shooter was a disgruntled Muslim man who was angry with Israel.

Foehammer-

I agree with you. Anger is an energy. I think we would agree anger has to be directed by reason to have maximum impact. Let the other side use the labeling, such as "Infidel" and other mindless terms that are not founded in reason. "Don't get mad-get even" is saying the same thing. Anger is a good friend when the angry man keeps a cool head.

I'm pretty sure that by Western psychiatric
standards, fundamentalist Muslims would be
diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenics.

Whoever has ever dealt with an Muslim can
testify just how strange they are.

If they're going to start saying that this guy had a mental illness, they need to prove it. Had he been seeing a shrink for years? Taking meds? Hospitalized anytime? Has he tried to commit suicide anytime?

I'll bet during the family dinners, imam cleric dad starting ranting about Israel and how the Jews deserved to be killed. Maybe imam cleric dad wanted him to go to Lebanon to fight against the Jews, and he was too chicken to go fight in a REAL war, so he "hunted" down the innocent women.

GOOD NEWS:

Dayna Klein was the 17 weeks pregnant woman and just got shot in the arm. So Mr Muhammad Psychokiller was not able to end two Jewish lives

Look where on the body he shot a woman.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

All this about a Muslim working "alone" is ridiculous....like this is somehow "comforting"? All the homicide bombers worked "alone".

If they're going to start saying that this guy had a mental illness, they need to prove it.

_________

Freewoman, take a fundamentalist Muslim and
subject him to a (Western)psychiatric exam.
Do you really think he'd be deemed 'normal'?!

Hugh wrote:

"In this world, what rational non-Muslims regard as "crazed" behavior is not crazed at all. Look at those all-male mobs, one after the other, screaming their hate all over the Muslim world."

About those mobs . . .

It is apparent from the timing of this shooting Naveed Afzal Haq wasn't at a typical 9-5 type job. Where was he just prior to the shooting? Could he have been at a pro Hiz rally in the vicinity?

From LGF comments:

#159 zombie 7/28/2006 05:49PM PDT According to this site

http://www.scn.org/activism/calendar/jul.html

which lists moonbat Seattle events, there is/was an anti-Israel event going on just a few blocks from the shooting.

Hizzy fit (pro Hizbollah) rallies - yet another method of delivery (incitement to do harm) of infection. . . let's just call it a booster shot to that particular form of mental illness.

If our founding fathers were alive today, I think they would groan. Groan to see how a hateful minority is abusing the 1st amendment in order to spread hate and make Jihad. We must prepare ourselves for the fact that many more "mentally ill" muslims are going to attack jews and jewish institutions in the USA. It is of course, a tribute to american tolerance and love of neighbor that mosques are not burning in the USA - at least, not yet. I for one am sick of hearing lame excuses for criminal islamic behaviour and know deep down that if the islamic world was not sitting on 75% of the world's oil reserves, we would not be nearly so politically correct.

Oh, what the heck. Ship 'em all back where they came from and spare ourselves a lot of future heartache.

Abby:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
That photo shows he shot her in her reproductive organs. On purpose or just wild shots by a "crazy"? Who knows?

George, they are going to have to prove he had a mental illness. Taking meds, seeing doctors, having depressions, being hospitalized, or trying to commit suicide are good ways of proving mental illness. Without them, it would be premeditated murder.

I know we consider muslims mental, but they are truly illogical and misled.

Add another one to this list.

Islamic Terror Attacks on American Soil
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm

Vladzakr

Please stay well and keep telling folks out in Haifa they are not alone in this fight. Keep telling them so many people in the US and all over the world understand what this fight is about: the survival of civilization as opposed to barbarism.

I've long wanted to visit Israel. I'm going to do my hardest this will happen soon, and in peace.

They kill our women and children and what do we hear from the police? Let’s all race over and protect the enemy! I suppose it never occurred to this alleged officer of the law to protect the victims. I am beginning a list of traitors to be submitted to the government after the next major attack. Lucky for me they show themselves on the news every day. Yes I am angry and I let my emotions show as others here do. The way we move forward is through the free exchange of ideas. The PC crapthink, of hiding emotions is partly responsible for where we are now. Many of us have had enough. My father had some words for me as well, “If you spit on me once, shame on you. If you spit on me twice, shame on me. Keep telling it like you feel everyone. We are not muslims here. I have seen all types of people, and some of them operate amazingly well when they are angry. For others, the kinder gentler approach works. To each his own.

"That photo shows he shot her in her reproductive organs. On purpose or just wild shots by a "crazy"? Who knows?

Posted by: dennisw "

In every muslim raid on every city and town that I have ever read, pregnant women were given a single treatment. Their wombs were ripped out. This is simple muslim treatment. Simple muslim treatment.

Pelayo

Right on. Still, Washington State courts are pitifully liberal, which means they would find hate crimes against homophobes and black/Latino haters, but not against Muslim Jew or Christian haters. It's one facet of the PC theory that the "underdog," the "powerless," the "disenfranchised" in our society can never be "haters" of the "hegemonic" culture. It's all about "liberation" and "empowerment."

Mark my words, this Jihadist will be found "insane."
I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Thanks ovidius_naso !

We are fine here - believe me - our faith is stronger than those lunis can possibly imagine! (Just keep your eyes on their rockets missing targets in Haifa all the time....)

We are fine :)

We will gladly welcome all tourists - but of course take your time, since the next month will be busy here...

More news:

7/11 Mumbai blasts facilitated from Saudi Arabia?

Wish to wage holy war in Lebanon is mere symbolic expression

Enter the linguistic police

Ummah News Links

I am a Muslim American. I am angry at Israel.

No. You are a Moslem who by terrible mistake is allowed to tred American soil. You are not angry at Israel. You are angry at all of Dar al Harb.

From flashing your Johnson at the makeup counter to murdering Jewish girls in an office. Your sex perversion obeys the Sunnah; your killing of innocent Jewish girls obeys the Sunnah. Your4 dick flashings and office killings are taken from the Islamic scriptures and are to be repsected and celebrated as you doing the right thing. A Marxist judge, and they all are Marixsts in SeaTac, will levitate you from American law and the United States Consititution, which does not apply to you.

You are a Moslem. Therefore you are a prerogate. You are 33:21. You are a good Moslem. Let there be no mistake about these things. This hog farmer totally respects what an awesome Moslem you are.

Just watched the PC drivel on FOX about this poor crazy muslim. Their BLAH,BLAH,BLAH reiterated that he had a gun permit which indicated "some small weapons training" followed by the statement he had bipolar disorder and that he was on medication.

HELLO!! Why didn't the reporter ask HOW THE HELL COULD HE GET A GUN PERMIT IF HE'S CERTIFIABLE?????

Then the klinker which made me throw stuff at the TV......"he is not a practicing muslim".....

Now, I'm feeling mad and angry....do I get to shoot people, too??

How in the hell can you tell a crazy Muslim from a sane Muslim?

Conflict and war within this country is possible. It may not be there yet but if acts like this keep happening it is only a matter of time. In the 1840s did anyone really think a civil war was possible. Most in the anti-slavery movement wanted a peaceful resolution to the problem however within 20 years it was a shooting war. I feel we are within 5-20 years of a major blood battle within the U.S. with Islam and their allies. It will be ugly and nasty but does anyone see any other solution. Nothing I have heard tells me things are changing. No one has any real plan to resolve this by peace becuase it is impossible. Just like slavery we must all be one or the other. It cannot co-exist with freedom. We cannot have a religious group in this country who is more loyal to fellow muslims then to their country. We cannot have a group which is dedicated to the fall of this country. CAIR may say they want to convert america by "peaceful means" to a Islamic state.....there is no peaceful way that can be done CAIR. Your view and our view can't match.
I would prefer death and a war before that happens. I suppose there is always the hope that Islam will reform itself OR our political leaders will remove them back to the Islamic Ummah.....But how many of you think that is going to happen BEFORE the shooting really gets underway. I see bleeding Kansas but it will be states like Michigan, Tennessee, New York...etc.

How in the hell can you tell a crazy Muslim from a sane Muslim?

This question is a joke, right? Read the sacred Islamic scriptures and understand that being a Moslem is an explicit act of insanity, a form of insantity that always prevails and, absent a new world order, will certainly take over the world.

Does this make sense?

Please list for me the names of all the people afflicted with Bipolar disorder who shoot Jewish people because they are Jews. Which Fox show was that on?

The Police should investigate his whereabouts piror to the shootings.Was he at a mosques for Friday prayers and if he was at one what was said , was the Iman sermon advocating Jihad and the killing of Jews.

Bonedigger wrote:
"The Holy Quran, the Sayings of the Prophet p.b.u.h. and the knowledge legacy inherited by the past scholars are not mistaken at all."

No...... the Muslims scholars aren't mistaken.

The Koran provides very clear meaning about the role of Muslims and infidels.

In the Koran, infidels are condemned and expected to be treated as inferiors to Muslims.

The Koran is not a book of double meaning that can be nuanced and re-interpreted to state that Muhammad was a man of peace who brought a message of peace to the world.

Muhammad was a violent man who committed violent acts of aggression in the name of Allah and led a sinful life. Muhammad was not a prophet or true man of God.

These facts from the Koran speak for themselves and can't be altered:

The Victory
[48.13] And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.

The Victory
[48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.

The Immunity
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away

Quran 47:
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

So...this guy is "crazy" enough to premeditate just like the gentleman in the UNC "road rage" attempted murders?

American Muslims are just testing us. I'm sure there will be another one soon, and all Muslims in the US will be eagerly awaiting the outcome. Testing our political correctness and judicial system. Testing the MSM to see at what point a spade is called a spade. How weak are we? How in much in denial are we?

It's like a domestic abuse (I hate that phrase, btw) situation where we get beaten down in the form of a crazy attack and then built back up by CAIR saying, "but we love you, we would never hurt you". Where are my roses and pretty new dress?

Slightly OT

The British National Party support Israels defence against jihad.

http://xrl.us/bnpjewish

"built back up by CAIR saying, "but we love you, we would never hurt you". Where are my roses and pretty new dress?" butnowIsee

You know this reminds me of some sci-fi movie where the alien steps off the flying saucer and says....."I come in peace?"

Its "War of the Worlds" and Mr. Wells was right. He just screwed up the place. Instead of Mars its Arabia. In fact Arabia and Mars look the same just one has oxygen.

If someone got on the radio right now and started screaming "Muslims are atacking! Muslims are attacking! Run for the hills!"......would you think it was a joke or real.....

Better yet like all the sci-fi comics were the aliens always grab the pretty human women for their evil and preverted plans. Muslims do the same...grab and attack non-muslim women for their evil and preverted plans.

UFO = Ummah flying object

More you think about it are muslims really from this planet??????

"In every muslim raid on every city and town that I have ever read, pregnant women were given a single treatment. Their wombs were ripped out. This is simple muslim treatment. Simple muslim treatment."

arjun.sevak-

A chill ran down my spine as I read your comment. Till I read your comment it had not occurred to me that at its core Islam is about the ownership of a woman's womb-the ownership of women. The symbolism of all this is clear in such horrific acts, including shooting the Jewish woman's genitals.

I expect CAIR will stop enflaming tensions with trumped-up hate crimes and speciously vague condemnations of terrorism.
Dream on.
Atleast the media cannot deny or hide the fact that he was a muslim, but they are still using the "mental illness" excuse.

Islam fears women, hence the need to control women. Free women are their worst nightmare. Let's hope for their worst nightmare to come true. It will mean the end of Islam.

Previewing your Comment
Where are the mobs demanding their pound of flesh?? If this had been muslims shot by anyone else, the media would have a field day inserting HATE CRIME into every nook and crany of their report. CAIR, the ACLU and ANSWER wouldmake sure the streets were packed. Instead they are trying to downplay his religion and again, no reporter has seen fit to ask, "Just what is in this book that makes so many behave this way around the world...makes those perfectly nice people snap? Their impetuses are different, but their RELIGION is the same.

Here's the extent of US protests:

http://www.cair.com/video/kill_the_koran/

Instead of shooting people, this guy directs it at the source-the evil koran.

This male's family is saying he's bi-polar and didn't know if he was still on his medication. So are they trying to say it's ok to commit terrorism and a hate crime because he is on meds? They need to check his medical records. They should also bear in mind, he was muslim, he commited this crime because he was angry at Israel, he tried to kill indiscriminately....this is terrorism.

Let's drop the pretense.

Why doesn't the media in the West drop the pretense about Islamic terrorism? More and more people, readers and advertisers, we who pay for the media's existence, are waking up to the true nature of Islam. They can no longer claim ignorance. We know, as these pages have shown from a multitude of sources, including reasonable analysis of real evidence, what Islam is: a fear based, pre-medieval religious ideology of intolerance, violent warfare, pullulating replicants of themselves, spreading demographically and migrationally to freedom loving lands, to spread their cursed Jihad of death to the 'unbelievers', with world conquest ambitions, hatred of our freedoms, bigoted hatred of the Jews and so called 'infidels', where "we love death, you love life" is the rule for their suicidal attacks on us, our freedoms, our institutions, our innocent citizens, our laws, our women; all as taught by their criminally delusional pedophile prophet, Mohammed, whose adherents have lost all moorings of rational thinking, leading them to a confused reality, dangerous in the presence of civilized society, and who live in a perpetual state of angry agitation. Is there more than this? Perhaps a consistently lower IQ for the Jihadic masses? Are there any redeeming features to Islam? Not their treatment of women. Unless you love the moon god of evil, Allah, coexisting with its 'other' god, Shaitan, there is little if anything left to love. That violent pre-medieval ideological belief is a disaster in today's modern world.

How many one acts of evil, or madness, does it take to start tallying the results by "crazy" Islamics as being true to Islam? It's all in their Qu'ran. Read it.

It's okay for Arab media, or the repressed press in dictatorial countries to continue with the pretense, because they can do no better. or are afraid for their lives from their clerics of this 'religion of peace.' They are forced to lie. But for the western press and media, there is no excuse. PC'd MSN, are you listening? Your readership wants to know why you are so biased against telling the truth about Islam's terrorism, Jihad ambitions. This is not 'racism' or 'islamophobia'. It is the truth, what you are supposed to report on.

Do you understand? Are you hearing us? Is your media free to drop the pretense, or are you answering to a higher power that will not let you? Is the freedom of journalism still practiced in the West? If not, terror won. Expose the truth.

Robert makes reference about the North Carolina SUV incident.

Remember also the attack on the El Al counter in LAX, again by a lone gunman who just happened to be Muslim. Once again, the authorities refused to call it a terrorist attack. What the hell was it then? A robbery gone bad?

And remember the Empire State Building shootings a couple of years back? Once again, a lone gunman who just happened to be Muslim. Once again, a refusal to call it terrorism.

What the hell is it going to take?

I am not a hate crime supporter. It is a liberal law that divides and is unconstitutional. Be careful, they will turn it around and use it against you! Equal protection under the law is what we need to stick to. I am also wondering about the carry permit. Have the enemy complained that they might be targeted and the dhimmi establishment is going above and beyond to arm them?

greatcometof1577,
I am with you, freedom or death.

Off topic; News Just in:

"Two Asian men are seriously ill in hospital after they were assaulted by a gang of white youths in what police say was a "sickening" racial attack.
The men, aged 24 and 30, were targeted by the group in Irlam O'th Heights in Salford on Friday night......."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/5227228.stm

Not that I'm a fan of arbitrary racial beatings at all, but I think that British society is starting to get a lot less tolerant lately.

No_Mooselimbs-

This video is the big deal that CAIR calls a hate crime? These guys are a bit adolescent in their humor, but CAIR must be really desperate to reach for this as an example of hate. It's Howard Stern style humor. It's crude humor-that's all.

The link posted by the poster named "Bar" above is a very important link, and should have been linked in the original article. It's the kind of information we Jihad Watchers should have at our fingertips -- a list of Muslim violence in America:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm

The list has a couple of problems -- it begins in the 1970s with the Nation of Islam which most people would surgically detach from Islam itself anyway. Also, it lists the victims of the Beltway snipers separately, giving the impression that each murder was a new and separate incident.

Otherwise, it is an excellent resource for us. Here's one incident from the list which I never knew had happened, from August of 2003 in Houston, Texas:

"After undergoing a religious revival, a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man."

Wishbone,
See what they are doing to our great societies! They are like a rat turd on the wedding cake, banish them now. Who are you protecting Joe establishment? Our most valued and least able to defend themselves citizens, or the bloodthirsty animals you have allowed into our midst? This is America you filthy liberals, we want our women and children to go to work, volunteer, stay home or attend school in relative safety.

We all knew they would drag out the old "but he's mentally ill" B.S. He's not crazy, he's just full of hatred. The qur'an tells muslims to kill, and rape and terrorize, he was just being a devoted muslim.
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" Speech about Dunkirk given in House of Commons June 4, 1940.

"This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Speech given at the Lord Mayor's Luncheon, Mansion House, London, November 10, 1942.

Winston Churchills mother was an American.
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=2

Dispatch this guy to suthern Lebanon

Battle_of_Tours,
I don't think the media in the ME is forced to lie. They are taught this stuff from the time they are born. The little girls spewing hate in the movie linked below is disturbing. The movie also has the "infidel speak" juxtaposed to the "ME masses speak" by the same cleric in case we are confused about the concept of kitman and taquiyya in the islamic world. How can we defeat 1 billion people actively participating in this worldwide??

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&q=Obsession+What+the+war+on+terror&hl=en

The Japanese were told the US would commit all sorts of atrocities against them and committed suicide rather than be caught during WWII, but the Japanese propaganda has nothing on the stuff muslims are spoon-fed since birth.
Don't forget how proud the Saudi's are that they 'cleaned-up' their textbooks post 9/11 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901769.html
and they export this crap to tens of thousands of muslim children. Islam is a closed loop of hate and victimology. Their entire culture is centered around lying to and about the world's people, history and God himself.

From the Puff Piece:
Haq often talked about guns, politics and his dislike of President Bush, Richey said. Haq told Richey he owned a .45-caliber handgun, which he kept locked in a safe-deposit box.

A friend of Haq's in Everett, who spoke on condition he not be named, said Friday night that Haq was on medication for bipolar disorder and was frustrated by his inability to find a job or a girlfriend. Haq displayed a streak of anti-Semitism, sometimes making offhand comments about Jews.
Qur'an 59:14 “The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell.”
Ishaq:240 “I concealed the matter from the Jews and then went to the Apostle and said, ‘The Jews are a nation of liars and I want you to give me a house and hide me from them. If they learn I’ve become a Muslim, they’ll utter slanderous lies against me.’ So the prophet gave me a house, and when the Jews came, I emerged and said, ‘O Jews, fear Allah and accept what He has sent you. For you know that he is the Apostle of Allah. You will find him described in your Torah and even named.’ They accused me of lying and reviled me. I told Muhammad, ‘The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.’”
Tabari VIII:39 “After the affair of the Qurayza ended, the wound of Sa’d broke open. He prayed saying, ‘O Allah, You know that there are no men whom I would rather fight and kill than men who called Your Messenger a liar.’”
And the famous quote:
Bukhari:V4B52N176 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘You Muslims will fight the Jews till some of them hide behind stones. The stones will betray them saying, “O Abdullah (slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.”’”

"A friend of Haq's in Everett, who spoke on condition he not be named, said Friday night that Haq was on medication for bipolar disorder and was frustrated by his inability to find a job or a girlfriend."
-- quoted in a opsting above

Comment from a reposting much further above:

"And when an Infidel experiences mental desarroi or depression, he can blame his parents, his children, his siblings, his karma, The System, Amerika, the stars, fate, his cholesterol level, his serotonin level, or even --- himself. When a Muslim falls into any kind of distress, with that mental vademecum and pocket prism through which to view the universe, Islam, he can blame the Infidel."

And yet another excerpt from a posting last year on the same theme, that Believers and Infidels alike may suffer personal and professional setbacks or losses, but Infidels have a thousand things to blame, and Believers are ready to blame only -- the Infidels.

Here's that excerpt:

"When one is in mental disarray, and happens to be a Muslim, provided with a Total Explanation of the Universe, and a Complete Regulation of existence, one can quite easily come to view the universe through the prism of islam.

And it need be nothing political -- nothing in the newspapers -- that sets one off. A death in the family, the loss of a job, the failure to get into a certain school, the perception that others do not share one's worldview and see no reason to accommodate themselves, and of course the depression that can come upon so many of us, Muslim and non-Muslim, at any time -- are all cause for alarm. But non-Muslims provide their own answers, their own home remedies, as they can, and those answers, and their affixing of blame for their problems, can be as various as their parents, their spouses, their children, their siblings, their employer, The System, the stars, Fate, their cholesterol level, their serotonin level, even -- at times -- themselves. Muslims have only to look to the one thing that always presents itself to be blamed: the Infidels. Their wiles, their whisperings of Shaytan, their decadence, their indifference, their whateveritis of which Infidels are guilty. And once a non-Muslim Muslim, a "Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only" Muslim, begins to redsicover Islam, to return to Islam, he can turn into that other thing -- a Muslim Muslim. And that is the problem, the permanent problem for Infidels, who have done nothing to deserve this ever-ready, this omnipresent blame.

There is no solution. Reducing Muslim numbers, and Muslim power, and ensuring that the Infidel lands do not engage in some kind of attempt to win Muslims by changing their own laws and customs, but remain implacably themselves, or perhaps deliberately Islam-hostile rather than Islam-friendly, so that those who now claim that they are "thinking of leaving" really do leave -- would anyone wish to stop them -- should be the goal of Infidels, engaged only in defending themselves against the carriers of Jihad, all over the world."

Had enough? Or should I keep making the point, until not even the entire staff of CAIR will be able to deny its truth?

Hugh,
Ok, I submit.

"Peace be upon you."

Peace here means submission
to the primitive moon god allah,
who hates and despises the non-believers;
peace means following the pattern of mohammed,
the most perfect of men and the last prophet,
and obeying allah's law, the sharia.

He is a good muslim,
who chose his target
carefully and planned his jihad
for the glory of his moon god.

Hugh,
just a small correction: what Karl Kraus said was: "Psychoanalysis [not psychiatry] is the disease for which it is supposed to be the cure" which was of course directed against Freud. Even if one doesn't believe in psychoanalysis (I don't) it can be very revealing to examine the psychopathology of Islam in Freudian terms.

The Seattle law enforcement officials should read
The Last Night of A Damned Soul by Slimane Benaissa.

This book holds a few clues for them, if they would care to investigate, having been multiculted and pc'd down to impotent wimps who would like to do their job but can't as they've become dhimmis and don't even know it.

This same crap has been going on in Canada for awhile now , in fact , after a Muslim in Monteal murdered 14 female students and then shot himself to be with Alah , it took 10 years before anyone dared pointing out that Gamil Gharbi was on a Jihad mission to punish canada for letting female get educated.

Even after the recent arrests of 17 muslims trying to buy 6600lbs of amonium nitrate for building truck-bombs to muder thousands of civilians in Toronto , Muslims are stuck in the denial stage and the media fears being another Theo van Gogh if the truth set-offs one of those closet Jihadists.
CAIR-Canada is at the heart of bogus Islamophobia claims with unproven "hate-crimes"
that are really minor vandalism to Mosques and have yet to see any arrests to prove a non-Muslim did it, when CAIR reported a Montreal jewish school that was fire-bombed by Immigrants from the Middle east who also left a note show antisemitism they posted it as "vandalism" yet a couple of raw eggs hit a building in Hamilton that was used as a Mosque and CAIR posted THAT as a "hate-Crime".

CAIR doesn't stop at just bogus hate-crime , they hijack other crimes and play the victim by-proxy , a Sikh temple in Hamilton was being renovated and a fire at night gutted it , so what did CAIR do, they run to the media a say it was done by Islamophobes that were too ignorant to know it wasn't a Sikh Temple.
Hamilton had lots of Tradesmen and people showed up to rebuilt it for free since the Insurance lapsed while the reno's went on, CAIR said nothing about the generosity of the locals
that helped out, mainly CAIR stuck to the "Backlash" claim and insisted Muslims were the target.

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE

the poetess,
Interesting review...
http://www.hackwriters.com/damnedsoul.htm

Tsuga-

Try not to froth at the mouth mate. Someone may mistake you for a mad mullah and "pacify" you.

There have been at least two "racial" (ahem) attacks involving "gangs of white youths", perpetrated on "asians" this week alone. One dead, two critically injured. This is in the North West UK where, outside of London, some of the biggest "asian" communities are settled.

In parts of Oldham, there are even signs on some streets proclaiming "No Whites". It isn't safe at all to venture into these areas if you're not an "asian".

I wonder how long it's going to take the authorities to stop blaming mindless hatred as the primer. I don't condone "random" violence, yet it's hardly surprising when you have young Britons that see the imported minorities receiving vastly more support for their futures than those whose Grandparents fought and died in wars to keep this country British.

The natives are definitely getting restless.

Militant Buddhist, greatcometof1577, Alert

Count me in. I have actually recieved threats here in NYC over simple letters to the editor in local papers, not death threats, just the usual you are going to be hurt nonsense. Unfortunetly getting a carrying permit here for law abiding people is almost impossible. I know anonymous threats usually are nothing to worry about but with the peaceful mohamadeans I guess I should be prepared. Actually one muslim in answering one of my letters reminded me that I have 600,000 muslim neighbors who will not be happy with me. If all the threats were this mild I wouldn't even be concerned. He also invoked Mr. Spencer's name claiming I should not get my info from this notorious islamophobe but should read real scholars loike Esposito and Armstrong. Anyway, after reading about the Seattle shooting, Home Depot crash in Arizona, shooting in Gavelston, not like there are not thousands of other examples, my question is does anyone know of any good pistol ranges in NYC for beginners when and where do we start this group that does not have any concern for PC nonsense..

firster555-

You're lucky mate, in that at least your local paper has got the balls to accept and print your opinions. The media in the UK won't even accept any intelligently presented opinion that doesn't toe the party line, let alone allow it into print, ie: Don't upset the Muslims.

I have had my eyes opened by this site. Seeking an answer after 9-11 to my abnormal and recently new anger at a particular group. Funny I found J/W through Daniel Pipes who I consider to be a kindly intellectual patriot.

firster555,
Robert Spencer= Paul Revere

Wishbone,
Someone may mistake you for a mad mullah…

Damn, now you have blown my cover! BTW.
I have brown eyes, try and pick me out from amongst the hijab.

"Or should I keep making the point, until not even the entire staff of CAIR will be able to deny its truth?"

Who cares about CAIR? It's the millions of our own naive Western idiots that are the problem. CAIR's disinformation would have little or no impact without their sociopolitical dominance.

-- aka Television

And here we have more hijinks from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/us/30seattle.html

Notice that nowhere does the NYT bother to mention that this gunman is a Pakistani. Had the fellow been a Hindu from India, the NYT would have been crowing about it nonstop. But because the NYT is an ethnically partisan tabloid, they'll always cover up for ethnic groups they favor such as Pakistanis, while skewering the ethnic groups they hate, like Indians, Jews, WASPs. Ethnic partisanship in the guise of liberalism is not liberalism at all. The NYT is such a sinister bastion of crookedness.

Sanman,
Stop seeking validation from “Who You Know Is The Enemy” wake up! Ignore the media! If you have even the least modern TV use the channel delete option! If you subscribe to any newspaper, cancel, and tell them why. Ask for a Supervisor and don’t stop until you are appeased. Fight back with your dollar people! It is the most important single thing in the world (besides gold, followed by nucweps) if it collapses the world leaders know what will happen.
Do this now before it is too late.

dennisw, Thanks for posting that. It is exactly whay I chose Pelayo as my JWDW name.

Wishbone,
"pacify" you.
They can try and they may succeed. But the ghosts of my proud Ancestors will hunt them down, one by one until they are all held accountable. What's that? Somebody doubts that? Check some history and decide for yourself who is blessed and who is not.

Read more about the 'master' jihadist:

Afghan fighters once laughed at bin Laden

Ummah News Links

FROM A POSTING ABOVE: "Two Asian men are seriously ill in hospital after they were assaulted by a gang of white youths in what police say was a "sickening" racial attack. The men, aged 24 and 30, were targeted by the group in Irlam O'th Heights in Salford on Friday night......."

I have absolutely no problem with the BBC's description of this incident. My problem is with the discription of the incident had the victims been white and the perpetrators Asian. No doubt, here is how it would read:

"Two men are seriously ill in hospital after they were assaulted by a gang of youths in what police say was "gang-related" violence...."

Wishbone

Have a little sympathy for the Local Papers in Britain. Two years ago our evening paper printed a perfectly true story of Muslim misconduct. After complaints from "Muslim Community Leaders" they got a visit from the Race Relations Board which left their management in shock. They were told "We can organise a boycott of your paper by the Asian shopkeepers. We can shut your paper down and if you ever print a story like that again - we will".

FBI = Fabulous Bureau of Insolence

Yes indeed he is mentally ill Robert.. Islam is a mental illness and ALL muslims are mentally ill.

End of story.

posted by dennisw and referred to by Hugh:
Jordanian soldier (guarding the ironically named, Island of Peace) kills 7 Israeli schoolgirls
March 13, 1997
Motive unclear:
The gunman's motives were not immediately known. Jordanian soldiers at the scene said he "went crazy."

I was living in Israel at the time and remember a large demonstration at the Jordanian jail where the shooter was being held. The locals wanted the release of their "national hero". A protestor actually yelled, "Why should he (the shooter) be arrested? He only exterminated the offspring of apes and pigs"!

It wasn't until after that event in 1997, that I began to understand the depth of hatred the Muslims had towards Jews. To dismiss it as, "crazy" is dishonest and at your own peril.

P.S. A few days later, the shooter confessed his motive as: the girls interrupted his prayer by giggling (at him, so he claimed) and he was compelled to reclaim his dignity.

Cold, calculated, deliberate behavior from a zealot, not "crazy"

Here you go Fred,
No wonder the media are scared to talk about it." tgusa
It’s not just the media...it’s our leaders...our business leaders....even our stupid religious leaders like (insert your non-Muslim religion here..). I grow weary of these simple cowards. They are plain yellow. It will soon be time for a grass-roots effort to shake the tree and to force new leadership. I don't mean a conservative group with many issues but a group dedicated to one and only one goal.....defeating Islamic expansion both in the US and to help all those around the world who would face the same. Their faith goes counter to civilization. They are a direct and clear danger to our nation just as the Nazis were a direct threat to our nation. It is time for action...we need to meet the political Islamic groups like CARE etc with a group that will get the ear of congressmen and perhaps presidents. We need our own pressure group to speak for the majority of Americans who deep down know Islam is a mortal danger but have no where to turn (can't trust the republicans anymore). Dam the PC crap. We need action. I hope that such men (and women) who made this site possible will lead it (loved the movie btw). Perhaps it’s already in the works. Perhaps it has already started but it needs to get moving. We need men and women who have the skill and knowledge of Islam to lead this movement. I am a simple college student. I have very little money but if it should come to be I would follow.
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at July 28, 2006 10:51 PM

Hugh, Robert can you edit Hughs excellent post above

I believe that he meant to type Complete, not complexe here:

The entire Muslim world consists largely of people who are raised in a politico-theological belief-system that offers a Total Regulation of Life and a Complexe Explanation of the Universe.

Nariz,
Hugh, Robert can you edit Hughs excellent post above.
Undercover and playing games huh? I wont tell you what gave you away. I plan on using it in the future.
What he wrote, he meant “Complexe Explanation of the Universe.” Drop the E. But you, as a mus, cannot help but point out any Infidel mistake. All the while, trying to distract us from the truth. You better be much more clever than that.

Bacon eating atheist Jew. Your website states that an atheist is someone who denies the existence of god.

That statement presumes the existence of a god, and thus you presume the existence of a god, then turn around and deny it's existence.. that is insanity..

Let me educate you.

Atheist is derived from two words
(and this from the Oxford English Dictionary)
a=not
theist=one who believes in a god OR gods.
Ergo
atheist=not one who believes in a god or gods.

No need to complicate the issue or question, and no need to presume the existence of a god or gods, that is what Muslims do, they presume the existence of Allah and then justify that presumption by circular reasoning. to Wit: The Qur'an is the word of Allah because it says so in the Qur'an is the word of Allah because it says so in the Qur'an...etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

A rational intelligent being cannot have a decent, intelligent and honest conversation with irrational beings.. and believers are irrational beings, if they were rational they wouldn't be believers..

To all jihadi lurkers… Amerike Allahu Akbar!

Only slightly OT, but still about Solidarity (I love this word, being Polish) with Israel.
Last Sunday i Went to a demo in support of Israel.
Here are pics from my demo and and anti-Israel rally held the day before. Please notice the difference in the level of aggression and hate.
Calls to peace for both Lebanon and Israel on Sunday and the unholy alliance of Commies and Muslims (very worrying indeed) on Saturday (please note the Hasidic Jews from most probably some sort of anti-Zionist movement! Are they allowed to bash Israel on Shabbath? On an even more depressing note, I received an email from the Jewish Socialist Group in the UK, inviting me to this rally! Why self-hating Jews do not simply convert to Islam? At least we would know who is who). Our demo was sent words of support from Anglicans Fore Israel, The Hindu Forum of GB and there were survivors from the Darfur Genocide.

http://moonbatmedia.com/stand_with_israel_230706/

and the display of hate and lies:

http://moonbatmedia.com/against_israel_220706/

(note the psychopath's - Galloway's jihadist look!)

On a more optimistic note - there is a demo in support of Israel in Warsaw tommorow (pity, i can't be there either):

http://www.europa21.pl/name-News-article-sid-5155.html

Shalom Israel!

"Robert Spencer= Paul Revere" firster555

I feel Spencer is more of a Adams....

Robert Spencer = Samuel Adams

When do we get our tea party? I am sure there is something we can dump into Boston Harbor that will get the message out. Perhaps the some Islamic flags or perhaps those cheap Qur'ans CAIR is handing out. You notice I am expressing my anger through protest (I took a chill pill) AND I not getting violent as of yet......unlike muslims I will attack something that is not alive.

Heck they are always stepping and burning the American flag (see: NY Islamic society protest in NY).....right! This is simply equal treatment!

I mean if the muslims feel the need to be like mohammad then I should do what our founding fathers in Boston did....Thats only American, right!

Get drunk and dress up like natives and chuck something Islamic into the harbor.....how can anyone critize something we did to get OUR freedom in the first place...(american beer of course, perhaps Samuel Adams Beer...its only fitting!)

Sorry = my brain is overheated - excuse my terrible typing mistakes. Shame there is no late hot night's spell check for wine-worshippers on JW
;-)))

"A friend of Haq's in Everett, who spoke on condition he not be named, said Friday night that Haq was on medication for bipolar disorder and was frustrated by his inability to find a job or a girlfriend."
-- quoted in a opsting above

Hugh-

So this guy can't get a job and can't get laid-so he goes tarheel-jihad? It's such bs.

You have your right to disagree with me. I promise I will not have a fit and kill you. Adams never ran through the streets yelling the muslims(opps the British) are coming, Paul Revere did, that is why I equate him(Robert Spenser)with Paul Revere, not Adams(PBUH)

Given a normal distribution curve, approximately 17% of the population is clinically suffering from mental retardation (threshold IQ of 70). That's about 180 million people.

i makes me wonder about the IQ of people who quote this when they ignore the reality that immigrants from these nations are not selected from the whole population. there is selection bias. why does my opinion matter? because the post (citation) was from a website where i am the principal and cofounder.

one of the main problems about talking human about human diversity and IQ is that the average human IQ is pretty low so they can't really interpret it very well.

IQs mean nothing! I happen to have an IQ of 14, That’s right 14. and don’t ever try to take that away from me, its all I got!

sh--

Thank you. I discreetly removed "psychiatry" and put in, as I should have originally, "psychoanalysis." That particular quote, by the way, was mentioned by Auden twice -- once in his Commonplace Book, and again in the collection of aphorisms he did with Kronenberger. So I suspect that was his favorite Krausism.

Canetti, on the other hand, begins his lecture on Karl Kraus, in whom he had such a great interest, with a different memorable quote, which I give a-peu-pres, not having the book within reach:

"The population of Vienna consists of 2,030,864 people. That is, 2,030,863 people, and me."

It's hard to choose between those two quotes. One tries to imagine certain people who died in 1939, just before the war, as not having died, but having made it to America and lived long enough to see the end of the war and all the details of the death camps, and then tries to imagine what they might have said, or written. What would James Joyce have written about Paul Leon (husband of Lucie Leon), who was caught by the Germans, then murdreed, only because he delayed his departure by one day in order to permit his son to sit for the bac. What would Karl Kraus, who in the early 1930s about Adolf Hitler had written "About Mr. Hitler I have nothing to say" have written in 1946? There was a long silence by most of the stunned world, and for many things went on as before -- and certainly, in Europe today, the signs of what went on between 1933 and 1945 never having occurred, never having made an adequate impression or never having been adequately conveyed to the mindless young and the vicious old, are all about.

Well, Kraus, who was maddened by the cheapness of newspapers (newspapers which, by comparison with newspapers today, seem to have been written by a staff consisting of James Bryce, Max Muller, Elie Halevy, and Wilamowitz-Moellendorf) would probably be living in a state of permanent fury at idiocy after idiocy.

I'm sure you know that feeling.

Will Americans Wake Up from their Proverbial Slumber ?

It's time to rethink immigration issues as it relates to Muslim immigration to USA. Will the Americans keep accepting the lies that is spun around by CAIR in response to such Mohammedan shootings ? How long will the US immigration allow Muslims to immigrate to the West, and eventually convert USA to an Islamic Republic ?

Why doesn't Hugh and or Robert start a thread on this topic of Muslim immigration to USA (and WESt in particuloar) ? After all, isn't it true that Islam and secular liberal democracy as we know it in USA are just mutually exclusive ? If, yes why keep pretending ? When will Americans wake up from thge proverbial slumber ? Or never at all ?

Not everybody in Seattle thinks this wasn't terrorism, despite how the media is spinning the shooting.

I think we need attorneys and a good judge on this guy. Ones that are well read about the barbaric cult. Men or women who aren't afraid of CAIR or ACLU. (it's useless for me to keep saying they, the terrorists need a military tribunal, cuz I know they aren't getting it) Men and women who could pave the way to waking the country on the dangerous people in islam.

Is anyone here friends with the judges and lawyers in Seattle? Invite them to dinner, give them Robert's books, discuss islam. Open their eyes to this savage cult.

The line "American Muslim and Jewish communities.." is especially appalling. In CAIR view, both communities should to something. Jews should start hate Israel, then CAIR can start telling their Muslim people that shooting pregnant women is, although understandable and a very Islamic act, should be delayed for some time.

When will someone start to sue CAIR??? Is there a single good Jewish lawer in US?????

Mohammed, bin, Kafir, Abu Jahal,
Mohamed, Son, Unbeliver, Insulted the prophet?

Checked out your website. Are you for real? Do you denounce islam? If so, hop on board!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060729/ap_on_re_us/seattle_shooting_26
Yousef Shehadeb, 46, a member of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities, recalled Haq as quiet and something of a loner. Shehadeb said he and Haq's father, Mian Haq, both work at the Hanford nuclear reservation, as do many members of the area's Muslim community.

Terrorism is defined by the US Department of Defense as "the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives."

The FBI defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

This incident in Seattle was NOT a hate crime, it was an act of TERRORISM. When are people going to wake up to this fact?

I'm armed and my bullets are lubed with good old American pork fat!

He jumped a 13 year old girl.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060730/ap_on_re_us/seattle_shooting

First hand American media coverage veiwed it as an anominous killing, with no reason pending further review. My first glance was, was it a Muslim killing Jews? First play was what were his objectives, second play was, oh he is Muslim so downplay first. Third play is actually say he is a Muslim that wishes all Jews dead. Yet we are still seeking why this person would just seek to kill Jews/ American media, is and will be, a root to discourse among Israelis. This is disgracefull. Cover up killing of Jews seems to be a mainstay. This is sick.

In principle, although it never happens, it is possible for an American Grand Jury to take matters into its own hands. That is, a Grand Jury, in principle, can direct its own investigation, instead of being led around by prosecutors (before rushing out to lunch). My (certainly incomplete) understanding, based upon once having served on a Grand Jury, is that they can actually investigate issues or possible crimes completely unrelated to the nominal case. For that to happen, the Grand Jury must only (!) agree amongst themselves...

Here's hoping whatever Grand Jury is given jurisdiction over Haq's crime is made of people with gumption. Or perhaps in another time and place.

I respect Jews for the simple fact that they are always the hardest hit, yet they respond with the most compassionate of reprisals. To the point where it is ridiculous. If it were Americans that were being killed, Whom are and have been, Hezbillah has rained down fear upon how many Marines? Yet we have a stand offish sense of what we are all fighting. They are not only coming for Jews, they are coming for Us all, you too, Europe.

Just checked the link provided by Carolyn2 of
Naveed being booked into the courthouse....he's a short little fella, ain't he?

del, prosecutors contempuously call an uncooperative jury a "runaway jury." An often written about incident in Cook County (Chicago)Ill. back in the 20s or 30s involved a corruption investigation that got out of hand. The Grand Jury started investigating the County prosecutor. Usually juries are led by their collective noses and just go along. That's why some pundits say that a ham sandwitch can be indicted.

All this talk about a hate crime indictment so far is just talk.

According to the University of Southern California Muslim Students Association website,

The Sunnah [Muslim traditions about the deeds and sayings of Muhammad] is the second source of Islamic jurisprudence, the first being the Qur'an. Both sources are indispensable; one cannot practice Islam without consulting both of them.

Another page at the same site says:

Bukhari's collection [of accounts of the sayings and deeds of Muhammad] is recognized by the overwhelming majority of the Muslim world to be one of the most authentic collections of the Sunnah of the Prophet... .

Bukhari, so revered by Muslims, recounts various events, including Muhammad saying he will only protect the lives and property of those who follow Islam and that Allah has commanded him to fight non-Muslims:

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah 's Apostle [Muhammad] said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)"

And Bukhari also recounts Muhammad's advice to kill former Muslims:

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet [Muhammad] said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

And Bukhari recounts Muhammad's genocidal dreams about Jews:

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari recounts how Muhammad warned Muslims not to do anything new after him:

Volume 9, Book 88, Number 173:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar) and some men amongst you will be brought to me, and when I will try to hand them some water, they will be pulled away from me by force whereupon I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' Then the Almighty will say, 'You do not know what they did after you left, they introduced new things into the religion after you.'"

On the same subject, see this:

Volume 9, Book 88, Number 174:
Narrated Sahl bin Sa'd:
I heard the Prophet saying, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar), and whoever will come to it, will drink from it, and whoever will drink from it, will never become thirsty after that. There will come to me some people whom I know and they know me, and then a barrier will be set up between me and them." Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri added that the Prophet further said: "I will say those people are from me. It will be said, 'You do not know what changes and new things they did after you.' Then I will say, 'Far removed (from mercy), far removed (from mercy), those who changed (the religion) after me!"

No corrections of Islam allowed, folks. Or Muhammad says you go to hell. Lots of interesting things in Bukhari, but that's all I'll post for now.

Frank,
This is exactly how they behave in India, where they constitute 13% of the population. Just imagine, when a couple of hundred muslims emerge from their hovels after Friday namaz, and start killing and looting anything infidel, what it must be like. And they don't have guns, all of them. Anything that can kill will do. Knives, axes, bricks, stones, sticks. If you have seen 'Pirates of the Caribbean', the scene when Black Pearl's pirates start on Port Royal best describes the situation. (One has to multiply it by a hundred to get the actual sitation.) This link has the pictures when last they did such a thing. They burnt a train, emerging from a hovel, with screams of a mullah on the mosque speaker encouraging them to go on.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&q=Godhra&sa=N&tab=wi

Arjun, that should be a hate crime and punishable as such. But then in my opinion, islam is one big hate crime and all its adherents are mentally deficient. This murder's behavior will be explained away by the media as another aberration, a mentally ill individual who acted alone, who had nothing to do with "moderate, peaceful" islam. The press cannot afford to stir up public sentiment against islam because they realize a religious civil war would result in a blood bath and be disasterous to America's image overseas as well as our foreign policy. However these are not isolated incidents. When the muslim population in the US reaches larger numbers, this kind of thing will become more and more common. Eventually they will riot and demand the same kind of seperate state that they did in Pakistan and are starting to do in Kashmir.

The Vancouver Sun (British Columbia)
July 26, 2006 Wednesday
HEADLINE: Canadian blood stains doorstep of Pakistan president
BYLINE: Jonathan Manthorpe

As the bodies of two more Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan arrive home, one has to ask why the West, and especially Washington, continues to treat with kid gloves the man who could throttle the Taliban insurgency.

Pervez Musharraf, the dictator president of neighbouring Pakistan, was quick to side with the administration of George W. Bush when it was clear the United States intended to clear al-Qaida and its Taliban regime protectors out of Afghanistan following the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.

But while Musharraf has talked a good line, his performance has always fallen well short of his rhetoric.

Border areas of Pakistan remain a haven and training area for the Taliban where teams of young Afghans are prepared for missions, including the kind of suicide bombing that killed Cpl. Francisco Gomez and Cpl. Jason Warren near their Kandahar base last week.

In all likelihood al-Qaida head Osama bin-Laden and Afghanistan's former Taliban leader Mullah Omar, both wildly popular cult figures in Pakistan, are hiding somewhere in the wild border country out of reach of Musharraf's government forces.

Perhaps most perplexing of all is Washington's continued stroking of Musharraf in the shadow of the activities of Abdul Qadeer Khan, former head of Pakistan's atomic agency. Early in 2004 Khan confessed that, in addition to being the father of Pakistan's nuclear weapons, he sold bomb-making technology to Libya, North Korea and Iran.

So the true source of dangerous nuclear proliferation is not a rogue state, but a Washington ally. More extraordinary still, Musharraf put Khan under house arrest for a while and then pardoned the man considered a national hero in Pakistan.

Meanwhile, for about two years Musharraf blocked American intelligence agency officials from interviewing Khan. It is only in the past few weeks that access to Khan has been approved.

And on Monday the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security released a report saying Pakistan is massively expanding its Khushab atomic site so that it will be able to produce enough plutonium to make 40 to 50 nuclear weapons a year.

The ISIS report is probably intended to spur the U.S. Congress to modify or derail plans by the Bush administration to develop peaceful nuclear technology trade with Pakistan's arch-rival, India. Critics of the deal foresee it sparking a nuclear arms race in South Asia involving not only India and Pakistan, but also India's other regional rival, China.

Perhaps the most generous interpretation that can be put on Washington's apparent insouciance in the face of Musharraf's sins of commission and omission is that the administration figures he's a better bet than the alternatives.

If that is the case, there is some justice in it. Pakistan's experiments with democracy since the country's partition from India in 1947 have been largely shambolic.

The military and the Inter-Service Intelligence agency are among the few efficiently functioning institutions in the country. The problem is that both these institutions, like much of Pakistan's population, are infused with Islamic radicalism.

The Taliban and al-Qaida are both to a substantial degree creations of Pakistan's ISI. The agency is culturally disinclined to slaughter its own offspring no matter what Musharraf or Washington say.

The result is that even though the Pakistan military has made some noisy and much-photographed forays into the so-called tribal areas of the Northwest Frontier Province and North and South Waziristan, the Pakistani forces do not control these border regions and have shown little will to do so.

Earlier this year the Taliban went so far as to declare it has created an "Islamic state" in North and South Waziristan. Although some of the Taliban claims are undoubtedly exaggerations, the basic premise appears to be true -- these Pakistani provinces have been turned into a Taliban haven containing about 2.5 million Afghan refugees, many of them young men eager for jihad.

For members of the Canadian and other coalition forces and their families, the bitter truth is that until Musharraf can be prodded into rooting out the terrorists in his own country, the Taliban insurgency will continue to flourish.

Andrew McCarthy, former Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Southern District of New York and prosecutor of the first WTC bombing rebuts the FBI position that this was not an act of terrorism (via LGF).

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTE4YzY3YmMyYzBiMWFjM2U5NzRiY2Y0MTM1MWQ1NTA=

Looks like CAIR-can shot themselves in the foot, after all the threats to the media to stop using the term Terrorists in middle East reports it ends up that the CBC will not report comments from Pro-Hamas and Hezbollah yahoo's that spew hatred in canada during the bogus "Peace" marches.

Yes that's right , the Arabs and Muslims in canada love to claim Israel's army is a terrorist
group attacking civilians, but the Media was censored after 9/11 and the Jihad/Islamists
forced the banning of words which means even THEY can't get away with the "Terrorist" label.

Ha..Ha..haaaaaa, serves them right for being so narrow minded and following a death-cult that creates blood thirsty animals like Hezbollah and Hamas.
The very first time Islamists tagetted civilians
around the world they lost the Right to be considered Human , they are rabid dogs in need of being put down .
If Allah's paradise is full of nutbars like them then leave me out , Muhammad raped and little girl and these idiots get upset over cartoons
or a mishandled Quran.

It gets better folks. He was ticketed for a traffic violation 1/2 hour before the shootings. He said he found the Jewish center while researching "something Jewish" on the internet. He purchased two different guns .40 cal and .45 cal. semi-automatic handguns (does not say what type) after he passed the waiting period (a really useful law, huh) from two different stores in Seattle the day before. Then he got crazy!

Check it out on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX. All three have it updated.

Carolyn2 pointed out that he and his father worked at the Hanford nuclear reservation (on FOX website). It appears that many muslims in the area work there. It is the biggest nuclear waste dump in the western hemisphere.

Check it out!

http://www.hanford.gov/

Can you say 'dirty bomb'?

As a resident of the Seattle area, these kind of stories is frustrating to hear about. When are people going to start to read between the lines and realize that just because these lunatics aren't a part of some "terrorist" organization, doesn't mean islam isn't already an organization.

It is a good thing that NO terrorist attacks have happened in the U.S. since 2001(sarcasm).

Most people in the free woeld will continue to bury the heads in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong. Therefore i will continue to carry a concealed pistol, hoping that i will never have to use it, to protect myself and those around me.

Wow! It appears the U.S. Government has embarked on the "Big Dig" of nuclear waste clean ups. Stolen worker data, leaking waste, contractors stealing from the U.S. tax payers, U.S. government not admiting mistakes (they just blacked out part of the report becuase its "secret") and now we can add Islamic cowboy to the list. Yes folks a typical government operation at its best. Do you think they have a dirty bomb yet???

The link below link gives you a quick look at what our energy dept. is up to at Hanford.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002656987_hanfordside01m.html

For more fun check out the rest or just enter Hanford into google and watch your pulse jump about a factor of 10.

seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003046930_hanfordmoney08m.html

And

seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/273650_hanfsecurity13.html

And

seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002916331_hanford07m.html

And

seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002668966_hanford07m.html

Too many to count! enjoy!

'It's the imams, stupid' Self defense entails dealing seriously with the imams, starting, with this fat pustule's father.

tgusa wrote:

Mohammed, bin, Kafir, Abu Jahal,
Mohamed, Son, Unbeliver, Insulted the prophet?

Checked out your website. Are you for real? Do you denounce islam? If so, hop on board!

I have renounced Islam, yes. It is a barbaric religion. My feelings and internal changes to reject this cult is the same as experienced by Dr. Ali Sina whose website I have linked. I have renounced Islam a few years ago, and upon reading the book by Ibn Warraq: Why I am not a Muslim, that confirmed my worst fears that Mohammed actually lied about his revelations to the people of Makkah. Read Warraq's book.

My siganture name is a sign of rebellion against Islam that I have renounced. This is not my original birth name, and no Muslim would keep such a name as it appears in my present signature.
I would request you again, to read the book by Ibn Warraq, and propagate its message.

Now, I work with Christian groups in USA trying to educate them about what Islam is, as most Americans are naive and like the father of Nicholas Berg, Michael Berg, believe in pacifism and that a few aberrations of Islam are the problem. (Michael Berg is a poster child for depicting Amedrican stupidity and ignorance about this devilish cult called Islam. If we have more Americans like Michael Berg, then there will be no free world anymore.)

I have come to the conclusion that for the world to be rid of Islam, it is practical to get USA stronger. To do so the necessary initial steps are as follows:

1. Propagate (negatives) about Islam from Warraq, Spencer and other similar authors.

2. Stop Muslim immmigtation to USA.

3. Introduce legislation in Congress that would make practice of Islam very difficult (but don't ban) inside USA. (Thus Muslims would find it difficult, but not impossible, to emphasize their religious affinity for Islam inside USA. This would discourage Muslims from living in USA.)

4. Follow the policy: No law for the terrorist for terrorists (like the Pakistani killer in Seattle). Empower the NSA (and the cost of treading on eavesdropping on Americans) to particularly monitor mosques and Muslims in USA talking to whom and where.

5. Support Israel on all issues related to Arab-Israeli conflicts.

These 5 point programme woukld start the weakening process. The rest would follow easily....

Note one thing: Islma is a very fragile religion. It cannot take criticism; so, when you criticize Islam, it will start to show its teeth. When that happens, just break the teeth.

Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal

I can't believe the News audio about another Peace-protest in Toronto by Muslims,not only did people tell the media they supported Hezbollah
but they claim "Our people" and "My Homeland" was being attacked.
Hezbollah was made a banned Terrorist org. in canada, and how the hell Muslims got away with overtly professing to support them while getting a Police escort from the Israeli to USA Consulates.

BTW
The Canadian Arab Federation expects Hezbollah to refuse a cease-fire and continue firing missles on civilians .
How do i know this?

The CAF rep said they plan another protest for August 12th , seems like they expect Hezbollah to still be murdering God's children for Allah.
This explains why Muhammad set out rules for War, he knew Islam wasn't based on Peace and spreading Islam by the sword and blood was Jihad and in the Quran.
Tonight i watched an Islamic TV show and they still deny Islam is linked to violence, the host claimed that Ignorance by non-Muslims and Muslims is behind them misunderstanding the Quran.
They were also preaching hatred for canada by claiming Muslims were having their Rights taken away and being attacked by the Government , again not one example and not once did the Quran get used to prove their claims, it was the old "Trust me" scam to avoid people seeing the truth.

What would concern me even more then a dirty bomb is if a group of jihad types have penetrated the Hanford operation and instead of stealing material they could just set off several rather large bombs (Oklahoma style but perhaps set underground) at certain key areas. The explosion would kick up all sorts of radioactive material into the air. It would 1st poison the whole area (if our government has not already poisoned the whole area) and kill perhaps thousands of locals. They don't need to transport any radioactive material becuase it is already set out. A ready made "dirty bomb". It would be their "big hit" that Osama has always dreamed of. Now of course the U.S. government would monitor things like this right but considering how they have handled the site so far and considering one of its former employees just shot up a Jewish community center and a large group (not a majority but sizable) of employees at the site are muslims......etc etc etc.

I am a little worried now.

Bohemond,
Yes, you are absolutely right. I think France and Britain are on the verge of 'going India'. I think they have too many muslims. The percentage is fast reaching that of India. The doleouts to muslim population also are of that level. In France, in the last riots by muslims, they torched 16,000 cars. I still baulk at this figure. No way any riot in India will have such destruction. This is simply because your average Hindu on the ground is conditioned to these things. They go on the defensive immediately. Mostly people of economically 'lower class' participate in these riots. The last major ones, in the state of Gujarat had the authorities worried because people of 'middle class' also participated in hounding muslims. The middle class Hindu has started to recognize the threat.

There was an anti-Israel demonstration in Switzerland yesterday:

http://moonbatmedia.com/switzerland_290706/

"The middle class Hindu has started to recognize the threat."

It doesn't matter at all. Hindus are apatehtic and would vote for their pockets and bellies. And an apatehtic citizenry (Hindus) dseserve an apathetic government who would rule them much against what they (Hindu middle class) have recognized as threat. The scenario is going on since 1947 and is the same today. Particularly unchanged is the trait so rightly observed:

"This is simply because your average Hindu on the ground is conditioned to these things. They go on the defensive immediately."

Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal

Polish Infideless

Those links are great!

http://moonbatmedia.com/stand_with_israel_230706/

http://moonbatmedia.com/against_israel_220706/

http://www.europa21.pl/name-News-article-sid-5155.html

Galloway does look really suspect.

I posted this yesterday.

LGF has links to the following film/documentory

Obsession:What the war on terror is really about.

http://xrl.us/Obsession

Time for a commercial break:

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/07/20/tesla-roadster-unveiled-in-santa-monica/

The Tesla Roadster is an electric sportscar being unveiled in California. As an electric vehicle camouflaged in luxurious sporty design, it will bring zero-emissions technology and oil-free independence to the high-end automotive market.

It's breakthroughs like these which will help to throw off the yoke of the Petro-sheikhs. The future is with mental wealth prevailing over treacherous ground, rather than with treacherous minds prevailing with their wealth pumped out of the ground.

Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal

I do understand that you are not as yet certified. However, is is perfectly clear to all Indian posters that you are not playing with a full deck. Or do they allow you to access the internet in the lunatic asylum that you are currently in ?

Bohemond above has posted,

"The press cannot afford to stir up public sentiment against islam because they realize a religious civil war would result in a blood bath and be disasterous to America's image overseas as well as our foreign policy."

One can suitably use India instead of America in the above paragraph. This is the reason for Hindu 'apathy'. But, I doubt that you will get it. Like I said, one can allow the inmate of an asylum to access the net, but one remain just that. An inmate.

Abby wrote ---

All this about a Muslim working "alone" is ridiculous....like this is somehow "comforting"? All the homicide bombers worked "alone".

And even still, liberals like Ward Churchill and Robert Pape continue to lecture us about the "good, understandable" reasons why these "loners" do what they do. Any liberals true to this thinking would defend Mr. Haq and his actions instead of trying to hypocritically "PC" it out of the religious-political analysis.

Hugh is spot on. We are probably witnessing in today's Islam one of the most publicly massive bouts of collective cognitive-dissonance ever, boiled down to the following paradox....

1. Islam is perfect.
2. Many societies and people who follow Islam are pretty messed up (moreso than most of the non-believing world).

To resolve this tension, a Muslim must either....

A. Admit #1 is wrong (i.e. blasphemy).
B. Struggle to be more perfect (i.e. a recipe for frustration).
C. Blame the non-believing world.

"C" may be the easiest to do, but even then, regardless of whether Muslims are able to justify their victim-plight or not, "C" merely perpetuates the uncomfortable reality that their "perfection-known-as-Islam" is not competing very perfectly with "weaker" infidel theologies, leading to the unthinkable fear that #1 is quite possibly wrong.

Assalamau-Laikum all,

Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal says “Note one thing: Islam is a very fragile religion. It cannot take criticism; so, when you criticize Islam, it will start to show its teeth. When that happens, just break the teeth”.

Were you really a muslim before…you sound like a right lund! HOW can you leave Islam?...Did you not consider becoming Ahmadi before condemning your life and soul for eternity, do you not owe that to your childrens ....your daughters will now become wild slutty womens… and your boys …directionless and without discipline.

You know in your heart that Islam will dominate in the 21st centuary…you childrens will once again convert to muslims …your sons marrying muslimas. All you have done is store up grief for you childrens…shame on you!

Ahmadi would have been a wonderful move for you…still to remain in Islam and yet be at peace…think about it once again ….think Ahmadi.

Mr Sevak says "The middle class Hindu has started to recognize the threat."

Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal says in response It doesn't matter at all. Hindus are apatehtic and would vote for their pockets and bellies. And an apatehtic citizenry (Hindus) dseserve an apathetic government who would rule them much against what they (Hindu middle class) have recognized as threat.

I think I agree with Abu Jahal here. I remember my Wal-daan taking to my father-in-law when they were both alive just after partionin. They talked about the sunni (who sounded like a different peoples) who said they just loved the hindu….they were so easy to subdue…they were so easy to covert …one tattoo of an Islamic womens name on each arm held them prisioner.

They would run as fast as their little legs would carry them, drop their jewellery, possessions in the hope of escaping…. I abhor the sunni who do this sort of thing to the Ahmadi too. But the Ahmadi will never do this sort of thing…my daughter’s friend at Lahore Uni is a female christian.

American-in-Germany said "I yelled at my television set "That evil ideology is ISLAM stupid!" It's Islam, it's Islam it's....
ah, what's the use"!

AIG….We all know that the 21st centuary is for the muslim. The best however that can be done is to push for the peaceful tenets of Islam…

Rather than trying to dismiss Islam (which will never happen) it is better to educate your friends, family etc about the peaceful sects of Islam and convert to them. i.e. for wuslims to be Ahmadi…it’s a decent solution I tell ya.

Step one: Bury crazy guy up to his neck.

Step two: Run over crazy guy's head with a riding lawnmower.

Step three: Make Margaritas and celebrate the world containing one less retard who believes that Allah is anything but a big black rock and reason to cut people's heads off.

naseem from the pulpit, "Ahmadi would have been a wonderful move for you…still to remain in Islam and yet be at peace…

Get off your high horse, and look around you. "islam" and "peace" don't go together. Do you really think that your posts are filled with peace?
Stop dreaming of islam dominating the world. It can only dominate its followers like you - to keep repeating the same old rubbish, with heads buried in the sand.

naseem, you gave me my first laugh of the day!

Naseem, your century was 1400 years ago.

We have evolved. You people haven't.

Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal says in response It doesn't matter at all. Hindus are apatehtic and would vote for their pockets and bellies. And an apatehtic citizenry (Hindus) dseserve an apathetic government who would rule them much against what they (Hindu middle class) have recognized as threat.

Posted by: Naseem at July 30, 2006 05:37 AM

Naseem, how pathetic are you that you have admitted to Hinduism's strength of secularism without even realizing. Poor as Indian Hindus are, they still believe in larger humanity, unlike blood-thirsty and barbaric Islam. Hindus vote, because India is not a monolithic, trecherous dictatorship (unlike most Islamic countries, specially Pakistan) after Pakistan failed at democracy, time and again, thanks to Islam. Besides, Hindus have always tolerated muslims. Even today, there are more muslims in India than in Pakistan. More than you can say about muslims in Pakistan. And what does that say about India's 'muslim brothers', who are feeding off of Indian prosperity, bombing the hand that feeds them? Hindus have no hesitation in giving the proverbial devil his due. India's highrest office has been held by Muslims (including the present President of India), something too large to be fortotten. Because, Hindu society is woven with the fiber of brotherhood, prosperity and knowledg, unlike Islam's fiber of death, destruction and terror. Any wonder that while India and Pakistan got independence togather, Pakistan is known for International Terror , India is knows for IT of a different kind (Information Technology, not terror)....read India Inc. in Time, dt. June, 26. The foundation of which lies in brotherhood, prosperity and humanity, not in barbaric, monolithic terror. As for Indian Government, you are hardly qualified to comment, coming from a crippling burden of dictatorship. Speaking of threats, again, India has no threat other than blood-thirsty Islamic barabrism, the cult you are inviting members to join, out of fear of freedom. You see, Hinduism is not a slave of numbers, nor timid enough to oppress women for it's survival.

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I think I agree with Abu Jahal here. I remember my Wal-daan taking to my father-in-law when they were both alive just after partionin. They talked about the sunni (who sounded like a different peoples) who said they just loved the hindu….they were so easy to subdue…they were so easy to covert …one tattoo of an Islamic womens name on each arm held them prisioner.

Posted by: Naseem at July 30, 2006 05:37 AM

Again, the above shows the lust you and your 'muslim brothers' have to forcefully subjugate otherwise prosperous humanity, but then, it is not your fault, the cult you follow, knows no better. While knowledge is the foundation of Hinduism (look up Eklaviya, Rushi Bhargav and Kapil Muni) animal instinct of blood, death and destruction mark Islam. You, an Ahmediyya, should be the last person to criticize another religion, when your 'muslim brothers' don't even recognize Ahmediyya as muslims. You see, the very Islam you try to shove down our throats, does not accept you to start with. If I were an Ahmediyya, I would work towqards equality among my fellow muslim brothers. You have a long way to go before you are even considered by yoru own, after which you may qualify to think about Hinduism.

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They would run as fast as their little legs would carry them, drop their jewellery, possessions in the hope of escaping…. I abhor the sunni who do this sort of thing to the Ahmadi too. But the Ahmadi will never do this sort of thing…my daughter’s friend at Lahore Uni is a female christian.

American-in-Germany said "I yelled at my television set "That evil ideology is ISLAM stupid!" It's Islam, it's Islam it's....
ah, what's the use"!

AIG….We all know that the 21st centuary is for the muslim. The best however that can be done is to push for the peaceful tenets of Islam…

Posted by: Naseem at July 30, 2006 05:37 AM

Here again, the spineless timidity of Islam takes refuge in numbers rather than it's own merit. Now, try to understand the profound depth in the following: "Support of the masses, is the joy of the timid". M K Gandi (1869-1948).

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Alert,
Goddamned gandhi was part of the problem. Not the solution. This evil man was responsible for the death of a million Hindus at the hands of muslims, none of which were trained at 'terrorist camps' in 1947. They never needed the camps. They have the mosques.

P.S. Please don't quote goddamned gandhi again.

No_Mooselimbs, thanks for your referenced video above.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&q=Obsession+What+the+war+on+terror&hl=en

It is very powerful, and this is from, as we all know, the "religion of peace.' Ummm... no. It's war.

sh---

In a post yesterday (8:32 p.m.) as you suggested, I replaced "psychiatry" with "psychoanalysis" in the Kraus quote, and offered from memory another quote from Kraus, the one with which Elias Canetti begins a lecture on Kraus included in "The Conscience of Words":

"The population of Vienna consists of 2,030,864 people. That is, 2,030,863 people, and me."

That sentence actually reads:

"The census has revealed that Vienna has 2,030,834 inhabitants. Namely, 2,030,833 souls and me."

Words off slightly, census figures for Vienna overstated by thirty.

An alphanumeric mistake for an alphanumeric world.

"Note one thing: Islma is a very fragile religion. It cannot take criticism; so, when you criticize Islam, it will start to show its teeth. When that happens, just break the teeth. "

Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal

Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal,

Thank-you for your courage to not only leave Islam but also the courage to speak out in truth about Islam. It makes my day when more Muslims leave Islam because they are living proof that Islam is nothing more then a falsehood.

bigcatgirl,
He has not left islam. He is just trying his taq'qia on us.

Alert,
Goddamned gandhi was part of the problem. Not the solution. This evil man was responsible for the death of a million Hindus at the hands of muslims, none of which were trained at 'terrorist camps' in 1947. They never needed the camps. They have the mosques.

P.S. Please don't quote goddamned gandhi again.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at July 30, 2006 12:32 PM

arjun.sevak,

I have to humbly disagree with the misplaced (even if understandable) blame for India's partition, Gandhi tried his utmost to prevent. The blame you seek, lies at squarly the feet of the muslim league, led by an opportunist, blinded by ambition, Jinnah, complied by a naive and meek Nehru (a blunder Nehru realized and admitted rather promptly), that broke India into pieces. If it were up to Gandhi, and there is ample testimony to that, India would never have suffered partition. Almost prophetically, foreseeing the turmoils and horrors India would suffer due to partition (and the blame that would befall, even if mistakenly, at his feet), Gandhi had a disclaimer for the events that were to follow the partition (again, which he tried so hard to avoid): 'Let the coming generations realize, Gandhi had no hand, in the partition of India' - M K Gandhi (1869-1948). I humbly suggest reading: 'Freedom at Midnight': http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0006388515/sr=8-1/qid=1154288185/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-6096532-0148611?ie=UTF8 ,

Finally, realizing this is neither the place, nor the time, to debate the events that led to India's historic indipendence, I have to ask... You do realize that 'the death of a million Hindus at the hands of muslims' would not have occurred, had India not suffered the partition, don't you?

I live in Seattle. Yesterday, I left work early and drove with my fiance to a concert (Steeley Dan & Michael McDonald).

Posted by: Johnathan at July 29, 2006 11:23 AM

Johnathan, I noticed Seattle Times calling that murderous muslim, a 'Gunman'.. I am new to Seattle area, but I notice the senators Maria Cantwell and Pat Murray are liberal Dems. You should see how they tip-toed and avoided the questions I asked abou ttheir stand on'illegal immigration' Their responses are pathetic, to say the least.

By the way, are you planning to join www.unitedamericancommittee.org and Seattle Jewish Center pro-Israeli rally on Mercer Island?

Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal,
Thanks for the comments, all good ideas.

arjun.sevak,
I know muslims are allowed to lie to the infidel but can they go as far as renouncing islam? I have confronted a few of them and they never go that far. Always trying to change the subject or say it in a way that I know is bs.

I have renounced Islam, yes. It is a barbaric religion. My feelings and internal changes to reject this cult is the same as experienced by Dr. Ali Sina whose website I have linked. I have renounced Islam a few years ago, and upon reading the book by Ibn Warraq: Why I am not a Muslim, that confirmed my worst fears that Mohammed actually lied about his revelations to the people of Makkah. Read Warraq's book.
My siganture name is a sign of rebellion against Islam that I have renounced. This is not my original birth name, and no Muslim would keep such a name as it appears in my present signature.
I would request you again, to read the book by Ibn Warraq, and propagate its message.
Posted by: Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal at July 30, 2006 02:24 AM

Alert,
Get off that propoganda. This nutjob never acknowledged the 1200 year old fight on Indian soil. And to go on mouthing 'peace at all costs' did sound rather abnormal to me even as a child. And this nutjob was also responsible for the hanging of Bhagat Singh, whom he blamed squarely for 'violence'. Unless and until one understands, and acknowledges that this war is going on for a thousand years in our country, one can't dream of fighting it. As for 'fathering' India, even Chandragupta Maurya and Ashok never made such a claim. To fool people by mouthing 'peace' was his modus operandi, and the sooner we all understand this, the better. muslims can NEVER live in peace with Hindus. One has to just look at history books to get it.

Alert wrote:
I noticed Seattle Times calling that murderous muslim, a 'Gunman'.. I am new to Seattle area, but I notice the senators Maria Cantwell and Pat Murray are liberal Dems. You should see how they tip-toed and avoided the questions I asked abou ttheir stand on'illegal immigration' Their responses are pathetic, to say the least.

Yes.......I have heard the "gunman" title reported more than once in the news. Unfortunately, the majority of the news coverage is focusing on Naveed Haq's reported "mental illness" instead of his Muslim religion as the cause for the shooting.

Welcome to Washington State: one of the most liberal states in the U.S.

Washington State Senators Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray are two of the most liberal senators in the entire U.S. Senate- no exaggeration here. They rank very closely with the likes of ........oh let's say Senator Barbara Boxer of California, Senator Hillary Clinton, Senator Johna Kerry of Mass. and several other liberal Democratic senators.

I am voting for Repub. Mike McGavick in November's election. One of my favorite Seattle media personalities is a Jewish man- Michael Medved. His radio program is on 770 am radio beginning at 12:00 noon. Perhaps you may like this program?

I would like to attend Wednesday's rally in Mercer Island. Can you please send me some information via a link?

arjun.sevak,

Like I said, this is neither the place, nor the time to debate India's historic independence. For now, let us just agree to disagree and focus our attention to the imminant danger of Islamic terror, aka Jihad. Besides, I was responding to Naseem's Dawa. So, please, back to task at hand.....

"I was responding to Naseem's Dawa. So, please, back to task at hand....."

Oh yeah ! So how come you responded with my name on your last one ? You addressed me when I initially left a comment for you.

"Like I said, this is neither the place, nor the time to debate India's historic independence."

I am not discussing India's independence. I was pointing out one megalomaniac's obsession that led to the death of a million Hindus by muslim hands. Whom you quote so casually.

Enough.

Naseem - you're not a damned muslim. Didn't you read my note the other day? If you need the link to the official site of your sect again, let me know. 72 other sects say your sect is not muslim!

and 72 out of 73 can't be wrong....

Instead of trying to get the rest of the world to suffer equally with your sect... come over with the rest of us "najis infidels". The majority of people in your own damned country would beat you and take away your property as well as destroy the life you've tried to build up if they thought they could get away with it. Someday they probably will get the chance.

Look, You don't have to put up with it and suffer through it out of some kind of fear of allah's hell. Forget that pig manure! Mohammed had no power - hell, he didn't even know where he would end up... he was afraid of death. Do you need the sahih bukhari testimony? I can look it up for you at http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

Mohammed was the most succesful Charles Manson psycho in history and nothing more. [ sociopathic type who had a group of brainwashed cult followers kill at his commands - and killed for Charles in evil ways ]

Also, A real god does not create people just to punish them forever! Give me a @#$%^#$ break!

Naseem on July 30, 2006, 5:37 a.m. wrote (erringly):

"Were you really a muslim before…you sound like a right lund! HOW can you leave Islam?...Did you not consider becoming Ahmadi before condemning your life and soul for eternity, do you not owe that to your childrens ....your daughters will now become wild slutty womens… and your boys …directionless and without discipline."

YES, I was a Muslim and have found it necessary to leave Islam because it was a crisis of identity. I did not have the guts to justify my conversion stemming from the questions about Islam. You may (?) know that Islam is not a spiritual philosophy like the Upanishads of the Hindu belief system. Islam is merely practice of an age-old, barbaric, obscurantist faith that has no intellectual rootings. However, this forum may not be the place to discuss philosophy. For one thing I can confide in you my whole vision was changed radically reading the books by Immanuel Kant: Critique of Pure Reason and Critique of Practical Reason. I found contents in Kant having parallel to that in the Upanishads. It set me free by opening my eyes. It once again became a joy to take rebirth as a human being, and not be slaved to some hateful, barbaric dogma of slaughter, rape, pillage, loot, arson and threat - the very "virtues" that define Islam (or Mohammedanism). Allah's transponder on earth, Mohammed, was a barbarian and a fanatic. Can you explain why he (Mohammed) encouraged killing of a 103 year old old patriarch, Abu Afak, when his followers plunged three swords into the stomach of Abu Afak at night ? (No one would come to rescue Abu Afak, for the terror that Mohammed had started.) Similar fate awaited Asma-bint-Marwan and Ka'ab bin Ashraaf. The only fault of the three was that they spoke against Mohammedanism openly. That was the error. You ask me why I have left my ancestral faith ? Let me ask you: Mohammed left his ancestral (Hindu) faith and started a barbaric cult called Islam. Why doesn't anyone question Mohammed's actions ? I believe that I have better sense of judgement than Mohammed. I have renounced Islam, and that is good. You claim to be a follower of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (Ahamadiya). Can you not attest that how Qadianis are slaughtered and punished in Pakistan ? Why because Ahamadiyas are considered as heretics. If you still adhere to a belief system that robs you of every inch of your personality, does not allow any free thought, then you are no more than an animal. Maybe you are and would like to remain that way. But, some like me are different. We prefer to call Quran as a hate-manual that is for the mentally handicapped. Assuming that you are Muslimah (meaning a Muslim woman), I would assert that a Muslim man has the right to marry you and your daughter simultaneously. (The only exception is that the person should not previously have had sex with you and should not have fathered your daughter with you.) Well, in my view this is pure incest. I am quoting the Quran (from Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation) that states:

YUSUFALI: Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-(Quran 004:023)

The portion in bold supports what I have stated. My view is that Quran condemns a woman (as above) to whoredom. It's in the religion of Islam. Or else how can a man be allowed marry the mother and the daughter at the same time ?

You know in your heart that Islam will dominate in the 21st centuary…you childrens will once again convert to muslims …your sons marrying muslimas. All you have done is store up grief for you childrens…shame on you!

Islam will be destroyed. That's why I have left Islam. I am using this forum to catalyse the demise of the barbaric religion/Mohammedan cult. Before that happens, as a well-wisher, I would suggest to you, if you are in good physical health, to abandon Islam and seek legal matrimonial alliance with a non-Muslim man at your place, with the express purpose of giving birth to his non-Muslim offsprings. That would be far better than paying tribute to the demonic religion of Islam, or the foolish cult called Ahamadiya-ism, when Ahamadiyas are regularly humiliated and treated at par as kafirs. You will have given the world some non-Muslims than Muslims - and we (non-Muslims) would be grateful to you if you acted on this noble deed. As a woman with senses, isn't that better for you and the world ? Islam teaches a woman to procreate; so why not engage in this process to give the world more cause to be happy than generate sorrow ? You are thus quite foolishly requesting me to become a Ahamadi when you have admitted that Ahamadis always meet with dire fate in their own homeland in Pakistan.

That's an advice to you from a well-wisher.

Mohammed bin Kafir Abu Jahal