Suseelan: Close the Door on Jihadi Terrorism

Educated Indians must stop defining themselves sniffily as beyond mere "communalism." They must stop mocking every single attempt, by sometimes (not always) simpler souls, to recall what Islam has actually meant for Indian civilization, what damage it did to monuments, to people, to India's sense of itself. Why should it be Francois Gautier, and Koenraad Eelst, and V. S. Naipaul (a native of Trinidad, whose basilisk stare cannot be turned aside with mere words such as "communalism"). Not everyone who reads with attention and growing sympathy the historian K. S. Lal, or Sita Ram Goel, or Haish Narain, or any number of others, can be dismissed as a BJP "fanatic" or a handmaiden of Thackeray.

Hindu and Sikh citizens of Western countries should also take upon themselves the duty of learning about India's history, and instead of making some kind of common cause with Muslims here, over nothing more than being clients of the same food stores, refuse to play along with the subtle kind of compromises with the truth that Muslims send signals as demanding, whether it is from Muslim colleagues working at the same computer company in Mountain View, California, or in the same university, where supposedly, as far as the dim-witted outside world is concerned, these Hindus and Muslims from the subcontinent have "so much in common." That notion is used by Muslim Arabs to exploit, for their own purposes, the good reputation of Lebanese (and Syrian) Christians and their descendants in this country, people who fled from Muslim domination, by using that weasel phrase "Arab-American" to suggest a unity that does not exist, between Arab Muslims and Arabic-speaking Christians, especially Maronites, who fled Islam in the Middle East.

Hindus and Sikhs (who tend not to need any prompting to express their dim view of Islam) or other non-Muslims from India, from Pakistan, from Bangladesh, should not unwittingly, or innocently, permit the real story of Islam in India to be unknown, or to let the Muslim version of things simply stand unchallenged. No one is asking people to go back to India and enroll in the Indian Army and fight on the frontier, or police the major cities. One is only asking that in the West, help Infidels to see things clearly, by telling them what Islam meant for India, and for its Jains, its Hindus, its Sikhs (when they finally came along). Learn about it, starting with the studies of K.S. Lal, so that you too will not be fooled, will know enough to share with others.

The ruling elites might have a change of heart when their own get killed by the mulim horde.

Sadly, this brilliant article could be applied to the US as well. We need more people in the West speaking up like that. I can only imagine the Jihadi allies are getting ready to attack this brave soul.

Dr. Suseelan might well have been describing the current state of affairs in the United States. Apologists for Islamic terrorists can be found throughout our own government and media. And I fear the Dr. is quite right in believing that it will require action on the part of the "people" if we are to eventually face the truth about Islam and its intentions. Our politicians are placing us in danger by misrepresenting both the cause and extent of the threat we face. And whether the result of stupidity, gullibility or deliberation, their altogether criminal neglect of the security of this nation can no longer be tolerated.

Yes, indeed. The elites of the world don't mind sacrificing a few of us to avoid a nuclear conflagration. However, they don't seem to understand that the slow chipping away of civilization by Islam will render the same verdict: Islamization of the entire culture -- without firing a shot. Of course, fewer will suffer a physical death this way, a much outcome, some would say!

Hindus amongst the Indian population are the brightes people in India. Contrary to this are the Muslims. If the Hindus band together, they can flush Islam out of India all together.

Is Mumbai the city that used to be called Bombay and was renamed by Hindu fundamentalists?

Forgive my ignorance of Indian history. I just recall hearing something to that effect in a book by Fareed Zacharai.

...by telling them what Islam meant for India, and for its Jains, its Hindus, its Sikhs...

....AND Buddhists AND Greco-Buddhists AND the Animists AND the women AND the Christians.

The Holocaust of India really is the worse one in history, even worse than the purges, pogroms and gulags of Stalin and Lenin.

Hindus ARE too nice. Too tolerant of intolerance, like Western liberals. So what if Muslims are in the minority HERE? The KKK is also in the minority, and liberals don't support THEM.

Here's one liberal that ain't buying it. I look for Arundhati Roy to come trotting out of the woodwork to help the poor, poor, Muslims of India and demonize the BJP any second now. (But, I give her this, The God of Small Things really is a great book.)

fanorollins@yahoo.com

PS... find those articles online about how the Muslims invaded India and turned a Shiva temple into the "Taj Mahal".

GreatShaitan - Yes to your questions except the part
'renamed by Hindu fundamentalists?' I don't know.

**** This relates to the Mumbai Blasts ****

http://www.asianage.com/?sam=2:1:235:235810&headline=8~suspects~held,~2~flee~to~Pak

8 suspects held, 2 flee to Pak 7/14/2006 11:49:15 PM
- By Rakesh K. Singh and Somendra Sharma

New Delhi/Mumbai, July 14: The Intelligence Bureau and state police forces have detained eight persons so far, two each from Delhi and Gujarat and four others from Maharashtra, for suspected involvement in the recent serial blasts in Mumbai.

Acting on leads provided by persons already detained, the IB has also established that two terrorists have fled to Pakistan via different routes, pointing to the use of unrelated modules for carrying out the blasts, intelligence sources said.

While a suspect, Mohammad Fayaz, went to Pakistan via Iran, an accomplice, Zuber Ansari, went to Pakistan via the porous border with Nepal after carrying out the blasts, the sources said. Ansari had been in Mumbai for over a month prior to Tuesday’s attacks, the sources said.

In Mumbai, meanwhile, the police on Thursday night arrested Mohammad Ilyas Wali Ahmed, 35, for entering the Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport in disguise. He was found loitering in Terminal II-A, the departure area of the airport, dressed in a burqa. "When Ahmed arrived at the airport at around 11.15 pm on his motorcycle, he wore a plain shirt and pants. After a while, he was noticed in a burqa, slippers and sauntering about in the departure area. This instantly aroused our suspicion. When he refused to disclose his identity, we arrested him," senior police inspector Chandrahas Chavan of the Sahar police station told this reporter. Ahmed was taken to the Sahar police station for questioning.

The anti-terrorist squad (ATS) of the Mumbai police and the Delhi police jointly detained two persons late on Friday night. There were being interrogated, including by the IB, till the filing of this report. Their identities are yet to be established and the extent of their involvement in the Mumbai blasts is being probed, the sources said.

ATS Teams Fan Out

ATS teams have been sent to Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Gujarat and Delhi.

Different specialised cells of the IB, including the security group, tech (technical) group and Ops (operations) group, are investigating the incident. A special group of 20 to 25 persons are analysing various leads gathered so far, the sources said.

The IB is also trying to probe the role of one Niyaz Mohammad, a Taliban operative, in the recent terror blasts. Niyaz was detained by intelligence sleuths at Indira Gandhi International Airport on the intervening night of July 8 and 9, the sources said. Niyaz, an Afghan national, was using a fake passport in the name of Islam Khan and had been in India for the last two months. Interrogation by the IB also revealed that he toured different parts of the country, including Ranchi. He was here to establish a terror network and was trying to return to Afghanistan, but was caught by the security agencies. Immigration officials have also interrogated him and have concluded that his passport was forged, the sources pointed out.

Mystery Emall

The special cell of the Delhi police and IB are also probing an email sent to a media house in New Delhi immediately after the blasts on Tuesday. A person calling himself Javed sent the email claiming that he was part of the terror module for the Mumbai blasts and, after realising the extent of the damage, he wished to save the country, an official investigating the email said.

The sender of the email also claimed to have planted a bomb that ripped apart a train in Mumbai on Tuesday. He claimed to have been working on the specific orders of one Arjun D’Souza and signed off as a citizen of the country, sources said. The email was forwarded by the media house to the police for investigation. The police advised the media house against using the email because of its sensitive nature. The police and IB are tracing the source of the email.

Money Plays Big Role

Intelligence agencies apprehend more such strikes in the rest of the country over the next one month following the interception of a call in which a Pakistani contact cleared Rs 15 crores for terrorist commanders in India for carrying out a "month-long operation" in the country. The sources said the blasts were an alarming pointer to the conspiracy that had been given effect by the terrorists.

The sources said money played a big role in the Mumbai blasts, as it did in the Srinagar blasts, where security forces found that youth were paid to plant bombs in different places. While terrorists are promised Rs 1 lakh for killing a solider, for soft targets, such as the Mumbai suburban trains, the payment could have varied from Rs 10,000 to Rs 50,000 for a person planting a bomb and Rs 1 lakh to Rs 2 lakhs for a group commander. The sources said that in all terrorist outfits would have spent around Rs 15 lakhs to conduct what is known in terrorist parlance a "successful action".

Meanwhile, the Centre has provided 63 companies of the Central Reserve Police Force to the Delhi police in view of the enhanced threat perceptions in the national capital. Fifty-six companies have been deployed and the remaining seven have been reserved for eventualities, a CRPF spokesperson said.

[PTI reported that forensic examinations have confirmed that the explosive used in Tuesday’s serial blasts was not RDX and could have been dynamite or ammonium nitrate. Laboratory tests performed on nearly a dozen samples collected from seven blast sites have confirmed that the explosive used was not RDX, a top Mumbai police official told PTI, but refused to reveal the nature of the explosive.]

Burqa Man Questioned

In Mumbai, the man arrested wearing a burqa at the airport was questioned. "When we asked Ahmed the reason for wearing a burqa at the airport, he said that he was waiting for his girlfriend, who was supposed to arrive on a British Airways flight. But when his girlfriend, who arrived at 12 am on Friday, was questioned, she said that Ahmed was her neighbour in Surat. She denied being his girlfriend," said inspector Chavan. Ahmed said that since he did not want her to see him he wore a burqa, but as he was in love with her, he wanted to see her.

Ahmed hails from Navsari in Surat and has lived in Mumbra for the past 20 years. He had recently moved into a guest house on Chakla Street near Dongri, the police said. Police sources added that Ahmed frequently changed his profession during interrogation. "At times he said he was a commercial pilot, while at other times he spoke of running a stock-trading business at L.T. Marg," a police official said on condition of anonymity. Ahmed was produced before a metropolitan magistrate court in Andheri on Friday and was remanded to police custody till July 21. When asked whether Ahmed had any links to Tuesday’s serial blasts, inspector Chavan said, "It is too early to comment. We are still investigating Ahmed’s records."

[The Nepalese police has arrested two Pakistanis — Gulam Hussein Chimma, 53, of Lahore, and Aftab Muhaddin Siddhiqui, 56, of Karachi — and is investigating them in connection with the Mumbai train bombings, AP quoted officials as saying on Friday. The two men were arrested at a hotel in Kathmandu on Tuesday in connection with the seizure of RDX explosives in 2001 in Kathmandu. They appeared on Friday before Kathmandu district court judge Mohan Bhattarai, who ordered them to be held in custody for five days pending further investigation. The two suspects told the judge they had no links to the RDX seizure. "We are totally innocent of these allegations. We were involved in a road construction project and we flew to Kathmandu on July 8 to settle our past accounts," Siddhiqui said.]

Hugh

Couldn't agree more. When I discuss this topic with others, I usually talk about what Muslims did to other people - be it the Jews, the Copts in Egypt, the Christians in Indonesia, Sudan, Nigeria, Lebanon, and others. It deflects some of the criticism of being accused of being a Hindutva fanatic (not that I mind, although in my daily life, I'm more of an agnostic of a Hindu denomination, except during certain festivals).

I think others can do the same thing. If a Jew is being probed about his attitudes towards Islam, instead of talking about Zionism or the holocaust, he could talk about what Muslims have done to other people - wiping out Zoroastrianism from Persia, slaughtering 150m Hindus over 800 years, persecution of Hindus in Bangladesh and now Malaysia, the persecution of Christians in the Mid-East and other vilayets of dar-ul-Islam

kj

Aside from her pro-Muslim anti-BJP rhetoric, Arundhati Roy is a vicious Leftist (and I'm not talking your type of Liberal, but a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist) of the same stripe as a Noam Chomsky or a Ward Churchill, even worse. In the aftermath of 9/11, I recall an article where she mocked Tony Snow's commentary on that week, following it up with diatribes about how the US should analyze why it is hated. In India, she's busy blocking hydro power projects in Gujarat in the name of protecting tribal people, although her real target is not just Gujarat's BJP government, but its solid anti-Islamic populace.

Re: the Taj Mahal, that account of it being a Hindu temple is disputed. The Muslims did destroy thousands of temples, colleges and other architectural wonders in their rape of India. It isn't necessary to cite those that are questionable.

kj,

I have a couple links, one with 108 proofs that the Taj Mahal was a Hindu temple, and one with a bunch of photos, at this spot:

http://tinyurl.com/zr2wa

(the above is a blogspot post and is work safe).

"Is Mumbai the city that used to be called Bombay and was renamed by Hindu fundamentalists?"

--- People mistakenly belive that Bombay was 'changed' to Mumbai. No, it was always 'Mumbai' for the local people, the Colonial British arrived and changed it to Bombay. (Many years) After Independence, correctly the city was re-named to the original 'Mumbai'.

Indian 'secularists' called this move 'fundamentalist', because among other things, they are suffer from a massive Colonial hangover. By nature, they suck up to Islamists as well as to White foreigners, basically any non-Hindu and preferably non-Indian White.

GreatShaitan

Mumbai was the pre-British name of the place, and once the British bought it from the Portugese, they called it Bombay. In Marathi, it was always called Mumbai. In 1999, if I remember right, its English name was renamed to Mumbai as well.

It would be like Germany being renamed Deutschland, except that the original name was after a goddess Mumba Devi. It was renamed when the Shiv Sena was in power in the state, but note that none of the dhimmi parties opposed it, the way they would an Ahmedabad being renamed Karnavati, Allahabad being renamed Prayag, Aurangabad being renamed Khadki... In other words, it's okay to rename British era names to Indian ones, but not Muslim names to Hindu.

Also, in the interests of full disclosure, keep in mind that Fareed Zacharia is the son of Rafiq Zakaria, ex VP of the Congress Party, but also convener of the All India Khilafat movement - a movement co-founded by Gandhi in 1919 after WWI to restore the Caliphate after Turkey's defeat. Don't be unaware about where these clowns originated. So it's very likely that he is a supporter of the dhimmi Congress party in India, and probably has associations with Islamic advocacy causes as well.

But shouldn't Bollywood be renamed Mollywood then? :)

Now that you mention it... ;->

A few points:

#1.
I would like be certain that Fareed Zakaria, our Fareed Zakaria, the smiling one who pontificates in Newsweek and elsewhere, the one who claims to be a Muslim but has run a wine column, for god's sake, is indeed the son of Rafiq Zakaria, the one referred to above. Both names are common. It would be good to know. It might help explain the gentle taqiyya of F. Z., presumably the result of filial piety.

#2.
One should be skeptical about claims that the Taj Mahal is a Hindu temple. One of the main proponents of this is bonkers, and the evidence is scanty, and when there is so much else to be enraged about, why concentrate on something that only calls one's full sanity into question?

#3.
As for "The God of Small Things" author, consumed as she is with blaming capitalism for cupidity, and America for capitalism, and thus for all the projects undertaken everywhere in India. Not everything she criticizes is undeserving of such criticism, and certainly the suicide rate among dispossessed Indian farmers is not something to ignore just because of all those back-office paperwork, phone-answering enterprises, computer softar companies in Bangalore, and computer companies in Bangalore), which are all about Growth and GDP and all that stuff, in all her shrillness there is a squeak of truth.

Her photograph was on the inside flap of "The God of Small Things" (and no doubt both the title, and her very attractive face on the inside back flap helped sales) she becomes more shrill all the time. I have never heard her say anything about Islam or Muslim rule in India, but I suspect her of being in the Defender of the Faith (Islamic Faith) school, with more than a hint of anti-Israel nastiness. You know the type -- the Pankaj Mishra type.

Waiting for an Indian Oriana Fallaci, writing truthfully about Islam in India, Muslim rule in India, Muslim indifference to Hindu civilization in India, Muslim imperialism compared with the much more appeciative and benign English form. There was no Muslim "Oriental" Jones, no Muslim (other than the early Al-Biryuni) who seemed to take any kind of interest in India, except as a source of loot and luxe, at all. Denounce English colonialism all you want, but make sure you have enough breathe left over to denounce, much louder and much longer, Muslim imperialism, the most successful and longest-lasting imperialism in history.

A few points:

#1.
I would like be certain that Fareed Zakaria, our Fareed Zakaria, the smiling one who pontificates in Newsweek and elsewhere, the one who claims to be a Muslim but has run a wine column, for god's sake, is indeed the son of Rafiq Zakaria, the one referred to above. Both names are common. It would be good to know. It might help explain the gentle taqiyya of F. Z., presumably the result of filial piety.

#2.
One should be skeptical about claims that the Taj Mahal is a Hindu temple. One of the main proponents of this is bonkers, and the evidence is scanty, and when there is so much else to be enraged about, why concentrate on something that only calls one's full sanity into question?

#3.
As for "The God of Small Things" author, consumed as she is with blaming capitalism for cupidity, and America for capitalism, and thus for all the projects undertaken everywhere in India. Not everything she criticizes is undeserving of such criticism, and certainly the suicide rate among dispossessed Indian farmers is not something to ignore just because of all those back-office paperwork, phone-answering enterprises, computer softar companies in Bangalore, and computer companies in Bangalore), which are all about Growth and GDP and all that stuff, in all her shrillness there is a squeak of truth.

Her photograph was on the inside flap of "The God of Small Things" (and no doubt both the title, and her very attractive face on the inside back flap helped sales) she becomes more shrill all the time. I have never heard her say anything about Islam or Muslim rule in India, but I suspect her of being in the Defender of the Faith (Islamic Faith) school, with more than a hint of anti-Israel nastiness. You know the type -- the Pankaj Mishra type.

Waiting for an Indian Oriana Fallaci, writing truthfully about Islam in India, Muslim rule in India, Muslim indifference to Hindu civilization in India, Muslim imperialism compared with the much more appeciative and benign English form. There was no Muslim "Oriental" Jones, no Muslim (other than the early Al-Biryuni) who seemed to take any kind of interest in India, except as a source of loot and luxe, at all. Denounce English colonialism all you want, but make sure you have enough breathe left over to denounce, much louder and much longer, Muslim imperialism, the most successful and longest-lasting imperialism in history.

Hugh

#1
I don't know whether you consider his own website as reliable re: his lineage, but FWIW, here are 2 cached page of his website where that is mentioned, circa 1999 and 2001.

http://www.fareedzakaria.com/interviews/nyt.html
http://www.fareedzakaria.com/interviews/australian.html

#2
Couldn't agree more. While Muslim conquerers did enough damage to Indian temples and other architectural wonders, this theory of PN Oak is absolutely off the charts. There is a section of the Hindutva crowd that believes this, and the theory that the Ka'aba was originally a Shiva lingam. I normally support most Hindutva campaigns vis a vis Islam, but I certainly draw the line here.

#3
She is a messenger who undermines the credibility of the message. Even if one were to sympathize with Indian farmers in Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, whose dire situation was a major reason why the NDA government was voted out of power despite exit polls projecting a landslide, one should be wary of anything she has to say on the subjects.

As for an Indian Orianna Fallaci, Tavleen Singh stands out. She has in the past spoken out credibly against BJP forces, but particularly distinguished herself in 1984 when she, at considerable risk to herself when Akali extremists allied to Sant Bhindranwale, threatened her for an article she wrote in which she stated that the presense of so much firepower in the Golden Temple made her embarrassed to call herself a Sikh. In the aftermath of 9/11, when Muslim readers of her column wrote to her about how wonderful and handsome Osama and the Arab race were compared to lowly Indians, she didn't bother to leave out that revealing detail about what Indian Muslims really think about their own race (without comment). Only shortcoming - I haven't seen her say or write much about Muslim history in India. Her strategy seems to be to let bygones be bygones, but confront Muslims with their current excesses. While I don't necessarily agree that that's the best tact to take, there is something to be recommended about it, particularly for those who claim to not be interested in holding today's Muslims responsible for the excesses of Muslim conquerers in India (despite the ardent admiration by Indian Muslims for the most aggressive amongst them, like Aurangzeb, Ala-ud-din Khilji, Mahmud of Ghazni, et al).

I think Varsha Bhosle - formerly of Indian Express - deserves an honorable mention, although I confess I haven't read too much of her, so can't comment at length about her writings.

"The ruling elites might have a change of heart when their own get killed by the mulim horde".

Lulu,the rulers connive with and condone the muslims."Gutter politicians" is too charitable a term.

Also besottment with Indian movies full of wily sophistry and cricket have made many Hindus believe the muslims in India pakistan and bangladesh are their estranged brothers(sic) who can be won over and need to be ingratiated with.Charlatans parading as *godmen* enhance Hindus' debilitation by psittacine, politically correct preaching all religions are the same blahblah....Total lack of solidarity.

Infidelpride,

Varsha Bhosle is as perspicacious as Naipaul.She stopped writing as was threatened by marxist goons.Her articles are archived,however.

Dr. Babu Suseelan writes:
"I have come to believe more and more that Jihadi terrorism and other problems in India won't get better until law abiding citizens turn their rage on the stupid, third rate gutter politicians and arm chair secularists."
+++++++++++++++++++++

The truth is finally being printed in India.............

Posting from News Today.Sums up pretty well why we fail.

" Mumbai 1993 down to Coimbatore explosions to Delhi
Deepavali blasts to attack in IISc in Bangalore to
explosions in Varnasi to countless blasts in Kashmir
to Mumbai again yesterday. It has been a never-ending
bloody saga. No country in the world has suffered,
humiliated, battered, pummelled as India has been due
to what is simplistically called as acts of terrorism.
And no country has been so weak-kneed, naive and
pusillanimous as India has been in the face of
relentless targetting by the ultras.

After every attack, we hear the same
weather-beaten tired cliches from the same
weather-beaten men. On the one hand, you have the
media mouthing the silly platitudes with the whole
coverage being more predictable than the
run-of-the-mill potboiler from Kollywood or Bollywood.
After the listless lip service, as how the 'terrorists
will never succeed in their attempts' and the 'peace
process will not be affected' the government gets back
to its slumber. The media returns to plunging
necklines and rising hemlines. Housewives walk back to
the embrace of the television soaps. Husbands parrot
customary but vague noises about the world becoming an
unsafe place to live. And then, it is back to the
square root of one till the next strike happens. It is
all so predictably sickening that it makes you want to
puke.

How long will this silly charade go on? Can't
we do anything about it at all?

We should. We can. But we don't.

And that is why terrorists keep picking their
targets at will. That is why innocents keep dying.

But why India, you may ask.

That is because we have failed to size and
shape the problem truthfully. There has not been a
major repeat of 9/11 in America because they have
understood the gravity and grimness of the situation.
And more importantly, they have identified their enemy
and are pursuing them with all their honesty.

But what of us? Whenever a blast or explosion
occurs, the government and the media merely invoke the
name of ultra outfits like Jaish or LeT and then let
it all drift. The image is unclear, the attitude is
coy, the reasoning too facile, the gloves velvet.

To make it seem that all the terrorists are
mere remote-controlled objects of Pakistan is too
dangerously simple. When the World Trade Centre was
brought down, the US sent out all the tough signals to
terrorists in distant Afghanistan but also went hammer
and tongs against those operating from within. And
after that, it has been eternal vigil, and all those
charges of erring on the side of caution be damned.

So it is time India woke up and faced the
inescapable truth. Which is: India is targetted
because it is a Hindu nation. And those killing in
hundreds are doing so in the name of Islam.

The terrorists are causing mayhem out of religious
fanaticism. By saying so, we are not stoking communal
fire. We are only stating things as they are.

Any problem can be solved only if the
diagnosis is truthful and real. In the case of
terrorism in India, the government and the media have
been looking at the wrong symptoms. That is why we
have lost thousands of able-bodied men and women. But
we can't afford to lose any more.

The nation needs to wake up at least now. Or
else, it will be eternal slumber".

Hindus can, and do, strike back. It is called as mob fury. And they are called as 'fanatics'. The last time these 'fanatics' went on the prowl was in Godhra, in the state of Gujarat. muslims had attacked a train carrying Hindu pilgrims ablaze and kidnapped some Hindu girls to rape and torture them to death. When the news broke out, the Hindu reprisal throughout the state was spontaneous. They attacked anything muslim. The chief minister of Gujarat, Narendra Modi, ordered the police, not to fire at Hindus, but only use batons. Hindus killed 2000 muslims in retaliation, the result being that muslims are, till date, fleeing from the state of Gujarat. The chief minister, whose fault was only that he did not kill Hindus, did not impose shoot at sight curfews immediately as happened in some areas of Mumbai this time, was called as a 'butcher' by the International Community. The U.S. refused him a visa on these grounds last year, stating that he is a 'criminal against humanity'. The governments of EU reviled him for 'mass butchery'. The muslims were portrayed as victims. They had killed 500 Hindus on the train, and mass raped and tortured 10 Hindu girls to death, inducing death by cutting their breasts and pouring acid on their faces. And Narendra Modi is called as 'butcher of Gujarat' because he did not issue immediate orders to shoot Hindus seeking vengeance.

#1 Let's get this clear: Islam, the religion, is the problem, not the so-called fundamentalist muslisms, and not the moderate or liberal muslims, etc. What we need to do is to counter Islam and neutralize or eliminate it from the world scene.
#2 The happenings in India are not to be construed as India's problem. India is a problem for the civilized world. I have elaborated on the dangers of Islamization of India in my comment on another Jihad Watch post here.
#3 Dr. Suseelan concludes, I quote:

...It is time for Hindus to join together and demand the government and its agencies to band together to approach Jihadi terrorism on a high priority basis and put a stop to Jihadi terrorism. (emphasis mine)

Sorry, but no cigar! Few Indian politicians, current and aspiring, can hope to win in elections without the muslim votes and campaign funds from Islamic countries. This includes Dr. Suseelan's favored party, BJP (correct me if I am wrong, isn't this the same Dr. Suseelan, who was once the spokesperson for the Vishwa Hindu Parishad?). BJP did nothing about the Unifom Civil Code during its ~four years in power, it supported reservation (quotas) for muslims during the State elections in Andhra Pradesh, and Mr. Advani, considered a hawkish leader of BJP, during his recent visit to Pakistan, praised Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, as secular, much to the chagrin of Dr. Suseelan's VHP, and even the Congress Party. Competitive appeasement of muslims is the order of the day in India. It's a pipe dream, therefore, to expect the Indian government to be the bulwark against Islam.
#4 Islamabad will be the capital of the next Caliphate, unless the world gets its act together to prevent the Islamization of India.
#5 Here's what the world must do: As a first step, the US must lose its support for Pakistan, and join forces with Israel and India (volunatrily or pressured) to annihilate the nuclear infrastructure of Iran and Pakistan. Next, the Islamic theocracies should be ostracized from all international institutions, until they agree to guarantee equal rights to all their residents, irrespective of their religions, shed the word Islamic from their names, and disband OIC, the one and only international organization based on religion that I am aware of. Finally, Koran should be rewritten (a la New Testament) and the old Koran should be consigned to "the ash heap of history", to use Ronald Reagon's famous phrase about Communism.

For those of you interested in Varsha Bhosle's writing here's a small sampling of her many articles:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/nov/19varsha.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jun/02varsha.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/dec/03varsha.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/nov/05varsha.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/nov/12varsha.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jun/23varsha.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jun/16varsha.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jun/09varsha.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/may/26varsha.htm

Its important to note that Varsha wrote for Indian audiences and she slips into terms and expressions that may appear strange or baffling to non-Indians. Most of these articles are quite old... and yet, much of what she writes is still very much as true now as it was then.

I'm no apologist for the BJP, but some of the points by mimamsaka should be taken in context.

BJP did nothing about the Unifom Civil Code during its ~four years in power, it supported reservation (quotas) for muslims during the State elections in Andhra Pradesh,

BJP was a part of a coalition called the NDA that included several regional secular (or psecular, if you prefer) parties, which were not committed to a Uniform Civil Code. One of its coalition partners was Kashmir's National Conference, as a result of which removal of Article 370, a central part of the BJP agenda, could not be a part of the 'minimum common program'. As for quotas in Andhra Pradesh, the BJP was the junior partner of the Telegu Desam that was committed to this program. One can make the point that they should have jettisoned their TDP ally, rather than compromise on such a basic principle. Fact remains that the BJP made major compromises with its coalition partners, and kept its own items off the table, much to the chagrin of the VHP and the RSS.

Mr. Advani, considered a hawkish leader of BJP, during his recent visit to Pakistan, praised Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, as secular, much to the chagrin of Dr. Suseelan's VHP

That move pretty much ended Advani's prospects of ever becoming PM, even if the BJP does win a future election. This was one of the biggest acts of dhimmitude by a BJP leader.

Islamabad will be the capital of the next Caliphate, unless the world gets its act together to prevent the Islamization of India

You seem to be under the impression that if all political parties decide to make India an ally of the Islamic bloc, or worse, try and get India to join the OIC, the populace will fold. The evidence over the last 60 years has shown a trend to the contrary. 60 years ago, India had the ultimate Dhimmi leaders in Nehru and Gandhi, and that continued with Indira Gandhi into the 80's. In those days, if the Congress wasn't a contender for power (which was rare), the alternative was another left-of-center Gandhian party. In those days, the idea of the BJS (Bharatiya Jana Sangh) coming to power was a pipe dream.

Similarly, in 1984, Vajpayee was just one of several contenders for PM from the opposition, running against a Congress Party riding high on a sympathy wave in the wake of Indira Gandhi's assassination, and the BJP won only 2 seats in Parliament. In 1989, the BJP went from 2 seats to 87, winning 3 states, and in 1991, they gained more ground going into 3 figures, and for the first time, came to power in UP. After such an exponential growth, a slow-down in their growth was inevitable, but they had pretty much gained all that they could. After the demolition of the Babri Masjid, it was obvious that the temple issue had run its course, and the BJP had to gain new ground elsewhere. Unfortunately, they were a non factor in almost half the states, resulting in their having to form alliances with anti-Congress but secular parties throughout India, thereby diluting their platform.

Similarly, look at the Shiv Sena. In the 80's, it was just a minor player in Bombay. I forget the year they first came to power in the BMCC, but in 1989, they gained major seats in Maharashtra. Since then, they've been stagnant, and the infighting in the party has meant that they are unlikely to be a major force anytime soon.

But if you think the recent electoral declines of the BJP and the Shiv Sena are trends towards Islamization, you are probably reading too much into it. If this was a real threat, you better bet that the most extreme of Hindutva elements would come to power. I don't know when the next elections are, but expect this weeks Mumbai blasts to have a major impact against secular parties, particularly in states dominated by the ruling alliance.

I do agree that the 2000 surrender of prisoners for hostages to the Taliban, by no less than Jaswant Singh, was the single most disgraceful act of cowardice in post independence history.

On your final point that the Quran needs to be re-written, it can't be. Mohammed was the ultimate narcissist, and the worst role model for humanity. If a scenario such as the one you outlined ever unfolds, with the US taking out dar-ul-islam and ending Islam everywhere (a la Shintoism in post war Japan), Islam should be ended, period, and all its adherants should be made to follow other religions instead. I'm not sure on whether Athiesm or Agnosticism would be viable choices, but I'd leave that bridge to be crossed if and when one comes to it.

Razdan

Thanks. Varsha reads like an Indian female version of Hugh, minus all the pentasyllabic words. After reading that selection, I've changed my mind - she certainly beats Tavleen as India's Orianna. It's a pity that she's been intimidated out of business, but I do hope she re-surfaces somewhere, maybe here: she's too valuable to be lost to obscurity.

Infidel Pride said:
>> You seem to be under the impression that if all political parties decide to make India an ally of the Islamic bloc, or worse, try and get India to join the OIC, the populace will fold.

It is my reading of the history of OIC and India is that India has always wanted to join OIC. It's the opposition from a sizeable membership of OIC that resulted in the exclusion of India. Am I wrong?

>> But if you think the recent electoral declines of the BJP and the Shiv Sena are trends towards Islamization, you are probably reading too much into it.

I am not talking about the recent electoral setbacks of BJP and its allies. What I fear, though, is that the Indian polity is playing with fire by deeply dividing the hindus along caste lines (the reservation issue), while signaling to the muslims that a united muslim front would make them the real king makers. Here's a link that points to such a trend, and here's another.

Babu Suseelan chronicling such barbaric Mohammedanism will not result in anything. India is all poised along a Civil War (Muslims vs. non-Muslims) and that is currently catalysed by the Congress led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) Govt. Already the rupee has weakend against the US dollar. Rs. 46.15 = 1 US $. In addition to that Muslim terrorism is being tolerated and encouraged by Congress.

Civil War looms on the horizon.

"Denounce English colonialism all you want, but make sure you have enough breathe left over to denounce, much louder and much longer, Muslim imperialism, the most successful and longest-lasting imperialism in history."

The disinclination to denounce Muslim imperialism has been soldered to the inclination to denounce English colonialism, and never the twain shall weet.

I know that India did at one time want to join the OIC, and was successfully obstructed by Pakistan (the one thing that I support Pakistan on). Otherwise, curiously, the OIC seems to have members whose Muslim populations are less than 20%, like Surinam and Mozambique.

But I thought India had given up on that. Besides, with the growth of the BJP and Sena, and the opening up of diplomatic relations with Israel in the 90's, one would think that such a goal, if difficult before, would now be impossible, and that therefore, India would have dropped the idea. Also, Russia seems to be an associate member, but India is not even that.

Anybody know anything to the contrary?

No offence, this guy does not fill me with confidence that India is going to take a hard-line stance on islam any time soon.

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Infidel Pride,
Sometimes I want to weep, for what this gandhi and nehru have given us. All the complexities of the present day Indian politics have their origins in the Partition of India. I would even go to the horrific partition of my Motherland, if only India had not retained the muslim population. The idea of being 'secular' when dividing one's own land on religious grounds that came so naturally to nehru and gandhi, (I don't think that they thought of this land as theirs anyway) is the cause of 90% of the troubles in India. Had all the muslims been sent to pakistan, (my land, given a muslim name) we would have only external enemies.
I regard Nathuram Godse as a Hindu Nationalist. He did what was right. You know, there is an Aarti each evening at his home in Pune, and the number of attendants is increasing. The Aarti has a picture of Godse with the map of India like it was in the background. More and more Hindus see him for what he is, a true patriot. I look forward to the day when all the 'gandhi parks' and 'gandhi roads' in India are replaced by 'Godse Parks' and 'Godse Roads'.

A million more Godses.

Arjun

I agree with you - even though I normally don't advocate assassinations as a political solution. But had Gandhi not been assassinated, we'd have ended up giving away Hyderabad, Junagadh and Kashmir to Pakistan.

In a similar vein, I consider Beant and Satwant Singh (Indira Gandhi assassins, for those who are wondering) heros. Not so much Dhanu, since Rajiv Gandhi didn't start the meddling in Sri Lanka.