Tensions rising in Bulgaria

Sounds like another Hamtramck, Michigan.

http://www.foehammer.net/2004/07/hamtramck-michigan-and-muslim-call-to.html

Governmental policies in non-muslim countries which treats non-muslims as dhimmis in these matters must stop. The behavior of people such as Filip Chernev must not be tolerated. I am beginning to wonder why so many European governments are promoting dhimmi status for non-muslims by coddling muslim intolerance. Do they want to see fascism come into being by such policies implemented in the name of tolerance?

I don't like what I see with regard to the coddling of Muslims in Europe by the governments there. I don't think its all about appeasement; I don't think its about tolerance either.

Governmental policies in non-muslim countries which treats non-muslims as dhimmis in these matters must stop. The behavior of people such as Filip Chernev must not be tolerated. I am beginning to wonder why so many European governments are promoting dhimmi status for non-muslims by coddling muslim intolerance. Do they want to see fascism come into being by such policies implemented in the name of tolerance?

I don't like what I see with regard to the coddling of Muslims in Europe by the governments there. I don't think its all about appeasement; I don't think its about tolerance either.

This is not mentioned in any news which is readily accessible to the masses, it should be. Ripping the national flag up and replacing national symbols with their own religious symbols is illustrative of the broader intentions of Islam in Europe.

Let me remind everyone of a bit of the history of Bulgaria under the rule of the Ottoman Turks, that is to say, of the Muslim (Ottoman) Turks, taken from "The Blight of Asia," a book written long ago, and in quite a different, much more vivid and indignant style (today much of British -- certainly the BBC's -- store of indignation seems reserved for the "carnage" and the "atrocity" committed by the Israelis trying to take out a site from which a dozen of the 1,700 missiles fired at it already had been launched):

GLADSTONE AND THE BULGARIAN ATROCITIES

"IN THE list of massacres antedating the colossal crimes which have come under my own personal observation, is cited the killing of 14,700 Bulgarians in 1876. This butchery of a comparatively few—from a Turkish view-point—Bulgarians, some fifty years ago, provoked a splendid cry of indignation from Gladstone. As this narrative develops and reaches the dark days of 1915 to 1922, during which period whole nations were wiped out by the ax, the club and the knife, and the Turk at last found the opportunity to give full vent to his evil passions, it will appear that no similarly effective protest has issued from the lips of any European or American statesman.

The curious feature is that, owing to the propaganda carried on by the hunters of certain concessions, an anti-Christian and pro-Turk school has sprung up in the United States.

In “A Short History of the Near East”, Professor William Stearns Davis, of the University of Minnesota, referring to the Bulgarian atrocities 1876, says:

“What followed seems a massacre on a small scale compared with the slaughter of Armenians in 1915-16, but it was enough to paralyze the power of Disraeli to protect the Turks. In all, about twelve thousand Christians seem to have been massacred. At the thriving town of Batal five thousand out of seven thousand inhabitants seem to have perished. Of course neither age or sex was spared and lust and perfidy were added to other acts of devilishness. It is a pitiful commentary on a phase of British politics that Disraeli and his fellow Tories tried their best to minimize the reports of these atrocities. They were not given to the world by official consular reports, but by private English journalists.”

The above is interesting, as it illustrates a quite common method of government procedure in such cases. The Tory does not seem to be a unique product of British politics.

While I was in Europe recently, I talked with a gentleman who was in the diplomatic service of one of the Great Powers and was with me in Smyrna at the time that city was burned by the Turkish army. This gentleman was in complete accord with me in all details as to that affair, and asserted that his Foreign Office had warned him to keep silent as to the real facts at Smyrna, but that he had written a full memorandum on the subject, which be hopes to publish.

It is significant that the Turks in 1876 were championed by Jews, while to-day such Jews as Henry Morgenthau, Max Nordau and Rabbi Wise are prominent among that group of men who are raising their voices in behalf of oppressed Christians. It is due to their influence, and to the voices of such senators as King of Utah and Swanson of Virginia, that confirmation of the Lausanne Treaty has been deferred until the blood on the bayonets and axes of the Turks should get a little drier.

Speaking of Disraeli, Gladstone wrote to the Duke of Argyle: “He is not such a Turk as I thought. What he hates is Christian liberty and reconstruction.”

The Bulgarian massacres were made known by an American consular official, and denounced by Gladstone in a famous pamphlet. They led to the declaration of war by Russia, the treaty of San Stefano and the beginning of the freedom of Bulgaria.

In a speech at Blackheath in 1876, Gladstone said:

“You shall retain your titular sovereignty, your empire shall not be invaded, but never again, as the years roll in their course, so far as it is in our power to determine, never again shall the hand of violence be raised by you, never again shall the flood gates of lust be opened to you.”

In his famous pamphlet, Bulgarian Horrors and the Question of the East, we have the following, a thousand times truer to-day than when it was written:

“Let the Turks now carry away their abuses, in the only possible manner, namely, by carrying off themselves. Their Zaptiehs and their Mudirs, their Blmhashis and Yuzbashis, their Kaimakams and their Pashas, one and all, bag and baggage, shall, I hope, clear out from the province that they have desolated and profaned. This thorough riddance, this most blessed deliverance, is the only reparation we can make to those heaps and heaps of dead, the violated purity alike of matron and of maiden and of child; to the civilization which has been affronted and shamed; to the laws of God, or, if you like, of Allah; to the moral sense of mankind at large. There is not a criminal in an European jail, there is not a criminal in the South Sea Islands, whose indignation would not rise and over-boil at the recital of that which has been done, which has too late been examined, but which remains unavenged, which has left behind all the foul and all the fierce passions which produced it and which may again spring up in another murderous harvest from the soil soaked and reeking with blood and in the air tainted with every imaginable deed of crime and shame. That such things should be done once is a damning disgrace to the portion of our race which did them; that the door should be left open to the ever so barely possible repetition would spread that shame over the world.”

“We may ransack the annals of the world, but I know not what research can furnish us with so portentous an example of the fiendish misuse of the powers established by God for the punishment of evil doers and the encouragement of them that do well. No government ever has so sinned, none has proved itself so incorrigible in sin, or which is the same, so impotent in reformation”

The time will never come when the words of Gladstone, one of the wisest of English statesmen, will be considered unworthy of serious attention. The following characterization of the Turk by him has been more aptly verified by the events that have happened since his death than by those that occurred before:

“Let me endeavor, very briefly to sketch, in the rudest outline what the Turkish race was and what it is. It is not a question of Mohammedanism simply, but of Mohammedanism compounded with the peculiar character of a race. They are not the mild Mohammedans of India, nor the chivalrous Saladins of Syria, nor the cultured Moors of Spain. They were, upon the whole, from the black day when they first entered Europe, the one great anti-human specimen of humanity. Wherever they went a broad line of blood marked the track behind them, and, as far as their dominion reached, civilization disappeared from view. They represented everywhere government by force as opposed to government by law.—Yet a government by force can not be maintained without the aid of an intellectual element.— Hence there grew up, what has been rare in the history of the world, a kind of tolerance in the midst of cruelty, tyranny and rapine. Much of Christian life was contemptuously left alone and a race of Greeks was attracted to Constantinople which has all along made up, in some degree, the deficiencies of Turkish Islam in the element of mind!”

To these words of Gladstone may appropriately be added the characterization of the Turk by the famous Cardinal Newman:

“The barbarian power, which has been for centuries seated in the very heart of the Old World, which has in its brute clutch the most famous countries of classical and religious antiquity and many of the most fruitful and beautiful regions of the earth; and, which, having no history itself, is heir to the historical names of Constantinople and Nicaea, Nicomedia and Caesarea, Jerusalem and Damascus, Nineva and Babylon, Mecca and Bagdad, Antioch and Alexandria, ignorantly holding in its possession one half of the history of the whole world.”

Poor bulgarians. For centuries they endured humiliating turkish raping rule and purposeful meddling with their genetic pool.
However, despite practically all of them looking like turks now, they preserved their spirit and traditions and folk.
They kicked the turks out with great sacrifices. And for what? To start all over again?
Their imminent "upgrade" to be included to EU ranks is only going to get things worse.

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The sounds of 'azan' (So long as the vowel is spoken lightly, either 'a' or 'e' will do, I think) irritate, infuriate, agitate or inspire fear into infidels, depending on their knowledge about islam. In my city, there came up a saudi funded minaret, an addition to a mosque in a muslim hovel. The speaker volumes are much higher than before. There are small markets and a Hindu area near. The sight of freaky bearded people in sacks is more common. The people are afraid. And property rates have gone down. I can understand why these people went on this campaign, though they are not in my country, or my city, I can feel what they do.

A poster above writes in Russian "Hands off Bulgaria, Muslims ("Basurmany" being a slightly old-fashioned term)but unfortunately, I think, the ready-made phrase "ruki proch'" is so identified with the Soviet period, and Soviet political slogans -- Ruki porch' ot Koree, ruki proch' ot Vietnama, and so on -- that some may be slightly put off. For Western audiences, including those who are refugees from the Soviet Union, possibly something a bit more suggestive of Gladstone during the Bulgarian Wars, and not of Suslov during the Cold War, would be more effective. On the other hand, it may well be that in Sofia and Plovdiv today, and in Russia too, that "ruki proch'" does not require such reproach, and works just fine.

In any case, it is time for Bulgaria, one of our best allies, and during World War II, a country that rescued as great a percentage of its Jews as did the much-more-heraleded Denmark, to take an uncharacteristic, but necessarily harder line, against those who are the descendants of the forcibly converted Christians of Bulgaria. Bulgarians surely have some kind of historic memory to stand them in good stead, a memory that such unwary and spoiled countries as England and France do not possess -- see Gladstone, above.

Ataka gets added to the list of organizations I support, like Danish People's Party, Israel Beitanu (? - Avigdor Lieberman's party), et al. And congratulations, Болгар, for standing up for your country and culture! You are right in wanting him prosecuted for descecrating the Bulgarian flag - I'm guessing that in Bulgaria, it carries a more severe penalty than it does here.

While you are at it, consider expelling your Muslims to Bosnia, Albania or Turkey. They don't belong in your country, any more than they belong in other infidel lands. If the US makes trouble, expel their military bases: they need you, since you are the real front against the enemy - not Germany, Turkey, Iraq or Pakistan.

Hugh, was the above phrase Russian or Bulgar - after all, both use Cyrillic?

I fully agree with Arjun about the ulterior motive behind the mosque loudspeakers. Their intent in all non-muslim societies is hostile and meant to provoke and strike fear among others. It is a form of aggression, a dare. The western societies must impose and enforce a ban on koran blaring out of mosque loudspeakers, before it becomes a fait accompli and too late to do anything about it.

The muezzin's call to the faithful managed without loudspeakers all these centuries. So it is not a religious requirement, but meant to intimidate the non-muslims in the neighbourhood and to assert the power of the mosque over their lives.

In fact, western countries should seriously consider disallowing mosques altogether for they are known to be the kalashnikov clubs where all islamic conspiracies are hatched. Secondly, none of the muslim countries that I know of allows the setting up of churches or any non-muslim places of worship. So why shouldn't the non-muslims reciprocate?

I believe that Hugh could gain a better understanding of the Britain if he was to take his eyes off the (all things bad must be British) history books he is fond of reading and actually took the time to look objectively at British people in the 21st Century.

Of course I am sure he realises that the MSM is not the place to look if you want the truth about anything. If you took the BBC at face value you would believe that every teenager in the land is hanging around in gangs stealing from and assaulting every individual that is unfortunate enough to cross their path. You could also get the idea that we are all mortified about the environment and drive around in hybrid cars. And you would believe that the Muslims are walking all over us and we like it. Of course that is all bollocks.

My dad ran his own business for twenty four years and did well until Labour got into power. He worked out that with all the labour stealth taxes, he was working hard and ultimately giving over 70% of everything he earned to the government. So he folded the business and is now working as a mechanic for the US in Iraq. The guy is 53 years old and hates the heat, but he is adamant that the government won’t get another penny out of him, and in 12 months he will of got the pension that the government stole off him back in the bank and he’s going to retire abroad purely for tax purposes.

When I walk down the road I don’t get mugged by the youths, and I can remember seeing one hybrid car go past in the last six months. Kids aren’t really running wild here anymore than they did during the mods and rockers era. The media is though. And the only people who get really worried about the environment are the usual tree huggers and middle class people with too much money and not enough stress who are usually called Tarquin.

I live in the north of England where by all accounts it is supposed to be a bit grim. It isn’t. We do have a huge number of Muslims though. Blackburn, Bolton and Preston are within thirty minutes drive. But guess what? In July we have had three serious incidents between whites and Muslims that have made it onto TV. The first was a Muslim in Preston who was stabbed to death on the Callon estate. A battle between two large groups of whites and Muslims ensued with bottles and baseball bats. The second was a Muslim man beaten by a group of whites and the third is two Asian men in a Range Rover who hit a little girl playing in the street and sped off. Whether they did it on purpose is unclear, but you couldn’t trust the press to tell you if they did.

Yes we have Blair, Red Ken and Galloway acting like idiots and trying to destroy us but America as it’s share of idiots too. Also we have a lot more Muslims than you do but they aren’t getting there own way, every attack by the Islamists ramps up the pressure on their own community.

When the situation gets so bad that the man in the street starts to feel it then the imposed love for thy neighbours is going to fall apart. It already is.

If World War III is going to get hot really soon then do you think a parent is going to be happy watching their child go to war while people in the Muslim community sit at home and refuse to fight?

I do believe there is a shit storm coming of epic proportions and when it really kicks off it’s going to be hard to be a Muslim in Britain.

And Hugh, slagging off the British because of Gladstone is akin to a Muslim slagging off the British because of the Crusades. It’s old news and as absolutely zero to do with me.

The poster above thinks I am anti-British. Why? Because I chose to quote Gladstone on the Turkish massacres of the Bulgarians in 1876? As for the notion that I am always reading books with an anti-British slant, could you give me the titles of some, or even a hint that I am fond of such books? Current reading consists of a book on Ethiopia, another on early travels to India, and a third on Europe from 1890-1914 (Uellendorff, Tavernier, Mario Silvestri are the authors). I took a course in high school on British history. I later read "1066 and All That" for a refresher course. I have an Atlas of British History and some volumes by Macaulay and Trevelyan and assorted volumes on odd subjects, such as Turberville's 18th Century Men and Manners, or Elie Halevy's The Growth of Philosophic Radicalism. Possibly a hundred volumes, none of them recently consulted.

But I have consulted exiles from England, including people who always thought of themselves as English, even if they came from New Zealand or India or Australia, and who are now horrified every time they return.

I'm horrified too -- I didn't know the phrase "slagging off" so I looked up its meaning on-line, going to "Urban Dictionary." The various definitions offered by what are clearly English volunteers are telling -- telling about England today.

And I have lived in England, and gone back from time to time, and am perfectly able to compare England today with England in the 1970s, England in the late 1960s.

"You could also get the idea that we are all mortified about the environment and drive around in hybrid cars" you write, and later on you make your view clear when, by way of adducing evidencde that all's right with the world, you note that "[w]hen I walk down the road I don’t get mugged by the youths, and I can remember seeing one hybrid car go past in the last six months." This is apparently supposed to be a good thing. We differ.

Then you write:

"I live in the north of England where by all accounts it is supposed to be a bit grim. It isn’t. We do have a huge number of Muslims though. Blackburn, Bolton and Preston are within thirty minutes drive. But guess what? In July we have had three serious incidents between whites and Muslims that have made it onto TV. The first was a Muslim in Preston who was stabbed to death on the Callon estate. A battle between two large groups of whites and Muslims ensued with bottles and baseball bats. The second was a Muslim man beaten by a group of whites and the third is two Asian men in a Range Rover who hit a little girl playing in the street and sped off. Whether they did it on purpose is unclear, but you couldn’t trust the press to tell you if they did."

Not grim? Nothing to worry about? How do your first two sentences fit in with the rest? Not very well.

And then you add:

"Yes we have Blair, Red Ken and Galloway acting like idiots and trying to destroy us but America as it’s share of idiots too. Also we have a lot more Muslims than you do but they aren’t getting there own way, every attack by the Islamists ramps up the pressure on their own community."

Yes, America has "it's[sic] share of idiots" but no mayor of our largest city, or of any city I know of, is like Livingstone, no member of Congress quite like Galloway, and as for Blair, when it comes to Islam, he is terrible -- but he's sounding a lot better than Brown, than Ming Cambell, than William Hague who is the shadow Foreign Secretary; Blair is looking, by comparison, positively churchillian.

If what you wrote is supposed to make us relieved, make us think that things are fine in England and will all come right in the end, it didn't work. It only makes me wonder if, when Ibn Warraq assured me that England would "go before France does" [by "go" he meant succumb to Islam], based on his long familiarity with both countries, and I insisted he must be wrong -- that in fact it was I who was wrong.

Finally, what's this business of quoting Gladstone somehow being taken as anti-English? Do you know who Gladstone is? I ask, because I read the other day about a professor who asked his college students when Jesus lived. Silence in the class, then one student volunteered: "In the seventeenth century?"

That's why you're not being familiar with Gladstone, and taking him to be "anti-English" would no longer surprise me. Anything is possible nowadays.

Incidentally, I notice that your father, once he retires, is planning to stay well away from England. Now why would that be?

confuse all kinds of things. You have some kind of animus against those who worry, as you see it, too much about the environmental damage done by fossil fuels, and you proudly announce that you have only seen one hybrid car on the road. Great.

Thank you for your swift reply. Before I begin I must apologise for my imperfect English but I assure you that my intent was pure.

I had no intention of painting Britain as a wonderful place to live and I do not believe that my post portrayed Britain in that way. But neither is it a lost cause as some would like to believe.

I stand by my assertion that quoting William Gladstone regardless of his Liverpool upbringing and distinguished career is pointless in the 21st Century. The man is from a long gone period of history and it is of no use to dig up facts irrelevant today.

I did point out that my dad will be moving abroad purely for taxation purposes. You do not ever give up a life of work building a business to go to that shitty hell hole and then put your money in a UK bank. He would then be liable to 50% tax on his earnings in Iraq. He would love to stay at home with us but as I said Blair is not going to get another penny.

I repeat that Britain is not a happy place to live but it is not the people who make it so, it is the government and the media working in partnership. Plus I fail to understand how describing the violence that is happening here is supposed to make you feel better? I didn’t aim to make you feel better. I was pointing out that the prevailing attitude that Britain must fall because of… Is a crock of shit.

If I said America must fall because the extremists hate you I would be flamed and rightly so.

"The man [Gladstone] is from a long gone period of history and it is of no use to dig up facts irrelevant today."
-- from a posting above

Are you trying to sound like a character in "Clockwork Orange," wiv all dat history stuff wot dont make senz do it -- are you? Are you merely putting on a show, or do you think serioulsy that William Ewart Gladstone's remarks on the Bulgarian massacres, and on what Bulgaria suffered under Turkish Muslim rule, is "from a long gone period of history" and is "of no use to dig up facts irrelevant today."

These were not merely "facts" but the impassioned bill of particulars in Gladstone's accussation. It is important to know history, and if you don't know it, then learn it. If you think it irrelevant, there is no hope for you.

No I disagree. If you walk the streets of Bulgaria and ask the man in the street whether he believes Gladstone is a deciding factor in his concern for the current problems in his country then he will probably say no it is the people who live down the road who think they can take us over.

Plus I fail to see how denouncing me because I do not have your encyclopaedic knowledge of history makes your argument valid?

If you did a poll of JW posters, I wonder how many would know the intricacies of Gladstone’s thinking towards anybody. But because you know more than me you assume I am stupid and incapable of making a comment.

I will state again that Britain is not a lost cause. The Churchillian Blair clone you mentioned is nothing more than a left wing super plan instigator who resides over the worst immigration policy in history. If you believe flooding the country with people from countries ruled under the gun is Churchillian then I think you should study Churchill

I also like your use of Clockwork Orange to portray me as unfavouable. You have also accused me of being ignorant and took every opportunity to ridicule me.

I am enjoying this. I hope you are too.

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Leave Bulgaria alone! Otherwise you'll get....

Posted by: americaningermany at July 31, 2006

sounds like a translation of:

Don't Tread On Me

http://www.foundingfathers.info/stories/gadsden.html

Much of the work of this website is devoted to reminding readers, or letting them know if they never knew, that the 1350-year history of Islam is most relevant today. Why? Because the texts have not changed. The figure of Muhammad as the Perfect Man, the Exemplar for All Time, has not changed. The Hadith, once fixed by the most authoritative muhaddithin, have not changed. The text of the Qur'an has not changed, and has been fixed in its most important meaning -- how Muslims should think of and treat Infidels -- for at least a thousand years.

The history of Jihad-conquest, whether in the Middle East, or North Africa, or Spain, or Sassanian Persia, or India, or in the East Indain archipelago (where not outright military conquest, but other means were employed) is hardly irrelevant to the matter at hand. How can one make the point that Jihad through time and space has been prompted by the same texts, and led to the same kinds of violence, and then to the remarkably same kinds of treatment being meted out to the conquered non-Muslims? Surely it those similarities that present-day Infidels, who know practically nothing about Islam, and many of whom simply assume it is a "religion" and "religions" are supposed to be "good" (whatever that means) and therefore that whatever is happening, in the name of Islam, and not only in the name but according to the teachings of Islam, in accordance with those passages in the Qur'an and stories in the Hadith, must be alright or, if it isn't, it must necessarily be a "perversion" of a "great religion."

Only by appeals to history, only by bringing forth the evidence -- including the evidence supplied by William Ewart Gladstone in his speeches and writings on the Bulgarian massacres -- can one begin to understand the current menace. It is so hard for hedonistic and idiotized citizens in the modern West, who do not read and do not think, yet feel that they are entitled to have opinions (they are not), to understand Islam, that this website, in part, aims slowly, and sometimes not quite in a straight line but obliquely, to educate -- whatever its other ambitions.

Don't pretend to be a figure from some future dystopia, whether "Clockwork Orange" or "Blade Runner." You cannot be as indifferent or dismissive of history as you would have us believe. It is not possible. You are not an idiot.

Sorry for my tardiness in replying. I thank you for the first reply you have made that was not aimed as a personal attack and I appreciate that we are at the end of the day actually batting for the same team.

My thoughts are not Blade Runner in their dismissal of the past. I am aware enough of the past of this country with its good and bad to know it does not deserve to be dismissed.

I am also aware of Islam’s past and how the clerics use it to inflame hatred amongst their followers. I denounce them because I do not see the connection between the crusades and myself. They are using the actions of long dead people to justify themselves when they kill us. I am therefore wary of using long dead arguments to justify killing them.

For me this war is happening today and the next calamity on the horizon is more important than the fact that Mohammed was a bright guy who copied Christianity so he could take over the world. Personally I think the guy spent his time playing chess before he tried to take over the world. His book of war is surely as good as the Art of War.

Infidel Pride:
"While you are at it, consider expelling your Muslims to Bosnia, Albania or Turkey. They don't belong in your country, any more than they belong in other infidel lands."

No. Don't send any muslims to Bosnia. Bosnia is not lost yet. The muslims are the largest group in Bosnia, but they are not the majority. The Serbs and Croats combined are more numerous than the Muslims.

One good thing that might come out of the Kosovo tragedy is that if the muslim albanians are allowed to breakaway from Serbia, then hopefully the Serbs and Croats will be allowed to breakaway from Bosnia.

But of course once again we see how the US and UK are leading the anti-jihad. While they consider muslim Kosovo breakaway from Serbia as inevitable and according to the democratic will of the people, independence for the non-muslims of Bosnia (even though they are the majority) is completely dismissed. Condy Rice was even this year in Bosnia to try to force the bosnian serbs to dissolve their republic and consolidate the Muslim rule over the non-Muslims of Bosnia.

BTW the link to the American Council for Kosovo doesn't work.

I am therefore wary of using long dead arguments to justify killing them. Posted by: Mert

The reason history is important is that the arguments that they used in the 8th century are the same arguments in the mosques that they are using today - not when talking to us, (when they bring up non-sequitors like Palestinian homeland, Kashmiri self-determination, etc.) but when they are talking to their own. In their own eyes, every believer is a Jihadi. Once we see them as they see them, we'd have no problems confronting them.

Problem is - we don't. Hence, the need for history lessons.

European Crusader

Either Bosnia should be emptied of Muslims, or the Serb and Croat majority areas should be incorporated into Serbia and Croatia. No half measures. No Muslims and non-Muslims in the same country.

I wish the Serbs well. I am hoping, just as they are, that Kosovo doesn't end up in Albania. That would set a horrible precedent elsewhere in the world - Chechnya, Kashmir, Mindanao,...

Careful with the Ataka party. They may not like Muslims, but they also happen to hate Jews, and they want to cut ties with the US. I don't know much about nationalist parties in Europe, but I guess Ataka belongs to the unsavory kind like the Front National in France, and not the cool kind like the Danish People's Party or the Progress Party in Norway.

Yes Infidel pride they want to kill us because we are infidel or because our women dance in clubs in mini skirts or just because it is monday. That does not mean that I am any less prepared than I can be.

My dad is in Iraq because I worked for the 1st Inf. Division in Wurzburg for HHC and then Kitzingen doing 5988 on stayback on Hummers, Duece and 5 ton. Us Brits got a coin presented from the 1st ID commander when they went to Iraq at the beginning of 2004. We helped them get the kit on the barges on the river maine to be sent north.

I'm in the UK because my grandad has parkinsons and otherwise he would be sent to a home. My brother and dad are up armouring trucks north of Baghdad.

I defy anybody to call me a casual observer on this Muslim crap because it affects me personaly everytime my dad phones and says his base is a dump.

mert you confused me Hugh took a quote out of a historical book to show some of the history of bulgaria with relation to the turks. It wasn't directed at you being British. And even if it was you sound like a muslim apologist
you wrote "If World War III is going to get hot really soon then do you think a parent is going to be happy watching their child go to war while people in the Muslim community sit at home and refuse to fight?"

So basically you are saying whites are attacking muslims while muslims refuse to fight. What a bunch of BS. and what's even more shameful is that you are not coming out and saying what you want to directly. You come out and accuse hugh of being anit british while sneaking this in. just come out and say where you stand.

I repeat that Britain is not a happy place to live but it is not the people who make it so, it is the government and the media working in partnership

Err.... it is people who elect and put in place the government, and it is people who empower the media, by patronizing advertisers and buying the magazines and paper.

Kind of like the U.S. we have the myth of the liberal media (which is in fact owned by corporations and which toadies up to government) and government is ostensibly representative of the people, but in fact is beholden to wealthy contributors and Political Action Committees, aka Corporations.

But we the people empower the ruse and game, by buying into the B.S. and believing the hypesters and bullshitters like Ann Coulter.

To the question above by "infidel pride" that I missed seeing before: it's Russian, not Bulgarian. But that last bit ("sekir bashka") is not really either. It is a phrase used commmonly in Russian, and sounds like real or pseudo-Turkish or Arabic ("bashi"--head, as in "kizilbash" or red head, and did you know that Kyzyl is the capital of Tuva, where Feynman never made it to?), and means, roughly, it'll-be-off-with-your-head, which in English is conveyed more often with a movement of the hand held sideways and moved rapidly across the throat). So something like "Hands off Bulgaria, Muslims --if not, it's off with your heads."

But that "ruki proch" still sticks in the craw. New post-Soviet slogans or lozyngi needed immediately for overnight delivery to Plovdiv. "Poshol von, Muhammad, a to..." or something like that.

Sure, perhaps we are all batting for the same team, but I sense a clubhouse brawl brewing.

In the same vein, Nariz needs to be traded for future prospects

am also aware of Islam’s past and how the clerics use it to inflame hatred amongst their followers. I denounce them because I do not see the connection between the crusades and myself. They are using the actions of long dead people to justify themselves when they kill us. I am therefore wary of using long dead arguments to justify killing them"

Let me say one thing first. I am NOT anti - British. As for the connection, you do not have to make it. The muslims have done the job for you. And they do not need the crusades for an excuse, either. Like Mr. Fitzgerald said, they annihilated people of other countries who were not Christian at all.

I think the Christians should STOP feeling guilty about the Crusades. They were the reaction, not the action. And had they not happened, Eurabia would have come into being centuries ago.

The 29-year-old Filip Chernev ,,, jumped on the table where the sign-up sheets were. He tore Bulgaria's flag and tried to destroy the papers too, Ataka members told the court.
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In the midst of the campaign, Ataka's official website was attacked by hackers, who moderated the main page and replaced its content with Turkish national symbols and music.
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I think it is pretty clear from the above that these Muslims do not consider themselves to be in any way Bulgarian. Bulgaria has a more directly disturbing history with Muslim conquest (the Ottoman Empire)--but you find the same attitude with Muslims in France, or Sweden, or Australia, or the United States. They do not consider themselves to be actual citizens of these countries. (Except of course when it is convenient.)