Practically every day I speak to people -- some of them in government and law enforcement -- who assume, without any knowledge, that the jihadists have twisted and "hijacked" Islam. But this has never been established by evidence: there is no strong or influential Muslim group working and teaching against the violent jihad, and there is no sect or school of jurisprudence generally accepted as orthodox that does not teach that Muslims must wage war in order to establish the hegemony of the Islamic social order.
So what kind of a response do you think the UAC will get to this? I'm betting no response at all, except possibly accusations of "Islamophobia."
"UAC Sends A Challenge To All Patriotic American Muslim Leaders," a UAC press release:
Osama bin Laden has admitted on videotape he was responsible for 9/11 as has Ayman al Zawahiri. Over 3,000 American died on 9/11 in New York and at the Pentagon at the hands of fanatics that the American Muslim community maintains did not represent true Islam due to the murders of innocent civilians. Those who claim to represent the mainstream Muslim community in America, such as CAIR, the Council on American Islamic Relations, claim they oppose terrorism and violence. Others say these groups quietly work as cheering sections for international terrorism. Now, the United American Committee wishes to give the American Muslim community a chance to disprove such notions, and places an open challenge for American Muslim leaders to issue a fatwa against Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri.The UAC recognizes that a previous fatwa backed by a large number of American Islamic organizations ambiguously declared; “Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives,” this fatwa did not condemn any individuals by name, and did not define who is deemed to be innocent. Further, given that Muslims like Sheik Bakri of London declare, “Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar,” kuffar referring to any non-Muslims, leaves the fatwa greatly open to interpretation.
Therefore, in August of 2005 the United American Committee officially denounced the fatwa and now puts a challenge to American Muslim leaders to issue a true fatwa against the Islamic terrorists Osama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahiri, and those who support them. The United American Committee believes that most American Muslims do not condone violence or jihad against American soldiers and civilian citizens. In accordance with this, the UAC is offering a true opportunity for all Muslim leaders in the United States to prove their loyalty to America by issuing a fatwa which encourages the Islamic world to hunt down and bring Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri to justice.
In coming months, the UAC will write to the leaders of Muslim congregations in the United States making this request and will share with the public the responses from each on the UAC website at www.UnitedAmericanCommittee.org. UAC welcomes all patriotic American Muslims to show they are a supportive part of the American community as a whole in the War on Terror.
"This gives Muslim-Americans the same opportunity to stand up for our country as those brave volunteers did in the 442nd Regiment during World War II without actually going into combat," said UAC Member Peter James, referring to the all Japanese regiment of the U.S. Army in the Second World War. James continued, "If an imam refuses to issue such an edict, one can only assume he does so out of a desire that Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri not be stopped, and that Al Qaeda's killing spree is in fact something that Islamic leaders in America tacitly support. For Islamic leaders who consider themselves patriotic Americans, this should be a no-brainer."
The UAC's position is that given the long term nature of the War in Iraq and Afghanistan, and threats to American soldiers over there as well as threats at home, such edicts from American Muslim leaders would also bolster US support abroad in Muslim nations against anti-Americanism by creating a united front with all American Muslims regardless of their views on the war.
The UAC welcomes all Muslim-Americans into its ranks who wish to protect and preserve the United States of America and who do not support the goals of Osama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahiri or al Qaeda.
Well, gotta give the UAC kudos for TRYING...
But I already know what CAIR and others will say... they will fall into that whole 'Why is it up to US (American Muslims) to apologize for or denounce the actions of a few?' and then the ever popular 'Did America ask CHRISTIANS to apologize after Timothy McVeigh blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma?'
*sigh*
The whole thing honestly gives me a headache, and it's just so easy to want to bury my head in the sand and forget all this is happening in the world. I applaud people like Robert and Hugh and Charles over at LGF and so many others who remain so steadfast and strong against this menacing cult.
I only wish people would wake up already, because we are seriously running out of time.
Somethingaboutislam,
Please post about Charlene Downes at your site. This 14 year old girl was raped, killed and her body turned into burgers and kebabs and served to the public by two muslim men. Her case came up for hearing in March this year, and MSM is not covering it. Here are some links.
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/charlene_downes_a_murder_too_far_for_the_msm/
http://tottenhamlad.blogspot.com/2006/03/charlene-downes.html
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=839
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/4788436.stm
We'll see how many Muslims sign this document. Remember when the "Free Muslims againt Terror" held an anti-terror march and only 50 people showed up and not all of them were Muslim?Yet Muslims have plenty of time to march in support of Hezbollah but not against terror. With each passing day Muslims show their true face.
This group sounds like they are starting to question thier faith, good for them, now wake up and leave it.
The fatwa to which UAC refers was issued by the Fiqh Council of North America.
The fatwa also contained the following deceitful half truth:
"The Qur’an, Islam’s revealed text, states: "Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Qur’an, 5:32)"
CAIR orchestrated the media event.
The UAC is not a Muslim organization.
United American Committee.
http://www.unitedamericancommittee.org/
We all know CAIR spews B.S.
I think we need to realize muslims want their own space, laws and poor way of life. I want to keep MY way of life.
We need to deport muslims , tear down their forts(mosques) and cleanse our country of anything islamic. It's like having a disease and not taking meds to cure it.
Arjun, I was appalled and sickened when I read your links. That poor girl. Those guys should be hung.
We need to deport muslims , tear down their forts(mosques) and cleanse our country of anything islamic. It's like having a disease and not taking meds to cure it.
Posted by: freewoman at July 23, 2006 11:26 AM
I agree with you how can we be sure after all it is good that a group who is not mulsum is demanding this fatwa like the art. sayes it will show which side of the fence they sit and if they don't issue this we will know that they can't be trusted and must be deported!!!
and the American Crongress has it right? About illegal's how many of these monsters have over stayed their visas??
This is no longer a time to be sitting on the fence because the fence has been knocked down!!
Just heard that there are over 200,000 brizialns living in Lebanon??
Kind of makes you wonder? Last time I looked they speak Spanish in Brizial??
then there is this?
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html
The official national symbol of MEChA is an eagle holding a machete-like weapon and a stick of dynamite.
The acronym MEChA stands for "Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan." or "Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan."
http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html
WHAT IS RAZA
"La Raza" (The Race) is a broad term which refers to those whose ancestry is indigenous to the area of Mexico (or "Aztlan"). MEChA members refer to themselves as "La Raza" or "Raza," but the term itself is used to indicate camaraderie among those in different organizations with the same objectives. There are a number of organizations who consider themselves to be La Raza.
http://www.aztlan.net/nofa.htm
NATION OF AZTLAN
Ministry of Information
Los Angeles, Alta California
Estimada Raza de Aztlan and Beyond:
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
October 18, 2000
On the Palestinian-Jewish Issue
La Raza's struggle for the land and for political and economic self-determination is not different from the struggle of the Palestinian people in Zionist Israel. We live in Aztlan under Anglo domination as the Palestinians live under Jewish domination. La Raza as well as the Palestinians lost the land through military aggression and both people now live in segregated regions within the larger nation. The Palestinian people as well as La Raza provide the hard labor necessary to prop up the national economies. Both Raza children and Palestinian children are victims of educational discrimination. The Palestinians as well as La Raza are considered people of color. So who should we side with in the present struggle in the Middle East? Will it be with the Jewish Zionists or with Islam? It is no secret that the United States as a whole is siding with the Jews, but should we? It is also no secret that the Jewish Lobby in America now also dominate large parts of the U.S federal government. It is estimated that over 32% of the Clinton Administration is of Jewish descent. Many are top level Federal Officials and includes the Secretary of Defense as well as the Secretary of State. In fact, the Department of State is now pretty much entirely Jewish. Most of the foreign Ambassadors are Jewish. This trend was begun by Henry Kissinger who is a Jew. This is very surprising considering that Jews only make about 2% of the total US population. Making these statements is not anti-semitic. It is stating facts. We do not hate Jews. We respect the contributions that many Jews have made to world culture. However, we reject Zionist racist Jews like the war criminal Ariel Sharon and appeal to all good Jews to do the same.
Israel can now be considered to be the 51st state. U.S. taxpayers are now sending over 8 billion dollars each year in economic and military aid. The sophisticated military weaponry being utilized against defenseless Palestinians are gifts from Uncle Sam. In fact, Israel now has nuclear and biological weapons, thanks to the United States. Why is the US providing so much to Israel? Well the selection of Joseph Lieberman as Vice Presidential running mate for Al Gore should give a clue.
Another clue should be provided by how the Israeli Army atrocities unfolded in the US media. At first, none of the Palestinian children murders were being covered by ABC, NBC or CBS. Not until the French and Italian media started broadcasting pictures of dead Palestinian children was the US media forced to cover some of the Israeli atrocities. Politicians, including Hillary Clinton running for US Senate in New York need a friendly media to be able to win elections.
La Raza is a victim of the same political and economic forces that are oppressing the Palestinian people and other people of color around the world. We must awaken to this fact and understand the hidden strategies and tactics being utilized to subjugate our people in order to devise effective counter-measures to neutralize them.
Tezcatlipoca
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Nation of Aztlan
BUT IF THAT DON'T MAKE YOU THINK HERE IS SOMETHING ELSE??
http://www.latinodawah.org/
Latino American Dawah Organization
Latino American Dawah Organization(LADO) is a nonprofit organization that was founded in 1997 by a handful of converts to Islam. Our mission is to promote Islam among the Latino community within the United States. We also educate Latinos and others about the legacy of Islam in Spain and Latin America and provide free information about Islam to all interested parties. Alhamdulillah (All praise is due to God), many Latinos are embracing Islam. Some feel that they are reclaiming their Islamic heritage.
What is Islam? Who is a Muslim?
Members don't create opportunities for LADO. Members create opportunities for Allah. Miembros no crean las oportunidades para LADO. Miembros crean las oportunidades para Allah.
"¡Puro Latino! ¡Puro Islam! ¡A su LADO!"
For all your burning questions...
Call 1-877-WhyIslam
Sí, hablan español
DO YOU SEE THIS FBI???
AGAIN IF YOU THINK WHAT IS HAPPENING IN ISRAEL WON'T HAPPEN AT OUR BORDERS BETTER THINK AGAIN JUST LOOK AT NOVO LADRADO
MEXICAN GOVERMENT SAYS WE CAN'T DO NOTHING???
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND ISRAEL AND THEIR FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH THEM GIVE THEM SIGHT, WISDOM, STRENGTH AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM GIVE THE WORLD COURAGE TO STAND TOGETHER TO DESTROY THESE ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
freewoman;
I wish we could deport the muslims too, but I think we're a few attacks away from anything like that. Could I suggest that you write a letter like this:
freewoman
123 Main Street
Peaceful, ME 12345
Dear Senator Snowe;
Thank you for being our representative. I am writing to express my family’s concerns about the Middle Eastern conflict and its impact on the United States.
We respectfully request that you introduce legislation along these lines:
‘Immigration applications by citizens of nations identified as sponsors of terror shall be endorsed by a Senator of the United States.’
I know this may sound jingoistic but, given this era of conflict, the stated goals of rogue countries, and the damage individuals can do with modern weaponry, we believe it is the right thing to do. The good people of bad countries would still have a path to Citizenship while those seeking to enter our Country with ill intent would have an additional screening process.
Please consider our request.
Very Respectfully;
freewoman
Senators have local offices that you can drop the letter off at. If there isn't one in your town, mail it to their Washington office.
I think there is a real chance of something like this passing, at least for the next five years.
Okay, all lawyers reading this, the ones who perhaps started life as graduate students in philosophy or English literature and, for the reasons we all know, driven out and forced to disugise yourself as lawyers (but you what your inner essential being is), here's your chance. Help to draft the appropriate legislation here.
Something along the lines of:
"No one identified as a past, present, or potential future participant in, or supporter or defender of, Jihad against the United States and its allies should be permitted to enter this country or, if already present, be permitted to acquire American citizenship. Jihad is defined as "the use of combat, economic warfare, and propaganda to spread a belief-system that uncomrpomsingly divides the world between the adherents of that belief-system and all others. Adherents of that belief-system who openly, repeatedly, and convincingly reject Jihad as a duty for Muslims, and who openly and convincingly prove that their beliefs do not flatly contradict the basic principles of the American Constitution, shall be exempt from this law."
Posted by PRCS: "The Qur’an, Islam’s revealed text, states, "Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Qur’an, 5:32)"
Someone with more Quranic knowledge than I should explain 5:32. I think, not sure, that this applies only to fellow Muslims. I use as my belief this fatwa from http://www.islam-qa.com
Question :
I'm currently a medical student. In Medical school we are required to disect and examine human cadavers (dead bodies). This is a very important part of the study of medicine and cannot be avoided. Is taking part in such practices for the purpose of being a doctor Haram?
Answer : Question Reference #10938
Praise be to Allaah.
If the cadaver is that of a dead kaafir, then it is OK. But if it is the body of a Muslim, then it is not permitted, because that involves disrespect, as well as uncovering the ‘awrah. It was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The sanctity of the dead is like the sanctity of the living, and breaking the bone of a dead believer is like breaking it when he is alive.”
Shaykh Waleed al-Firyaan
A Muslim corpse demands respect, but not a kafir, meaning most of us. How should we expect a living kafir to have any respect.
Is the "awrah" something like a "schwantzstucker?"
I think I answerd my own question. 5:32 is the notorious verse that applies to "Children of Israel." My quran is the "interpretation" by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. Since it is in English it is not a capital Q Quran. I can touch it, use it for a coaster, or even read it in the bathroom.
This fatwa supports my statement.
Question #10694:
I am trying to convert some Christians and "Free thinkers" into Islam and they seem to be interested in knowing what is in the Qur'an. They have both read the Bible and they believe it is Holy, but with contradictions. I, however told them that the Qur'an unlike the Bible has no contradictions in it and that it contains all the information about this World and the hearafter that they need to know. They are however yet to believe.As a method of proving this, I was going to buy them each a copy of the Holy Qur'an translated by Muhammad Asad. They have promised to read it and tell me what they think. Do you think this is a good idea?
Answer : Praise be to Allaah. A translation of the meanings of the Qur’aan is not considered to be Qur’aan, and it does not have the same status in all aspects. Rather it is like a tafseer (commentary, exegesis) of the Qur’aan in Arabic, which explains the meanings and assists in understanding. On this basis, it is permissible to give the kuffaar a translation of the meanings of the Qur’aan, without the Arabic text, and it is permissible for them to touch a tafseer in Arabic.
(Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 4/133)
On this basis, it is permissible for you to give them this translation. May Allaah help us and you to call people to His way in a good manner. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
http://www.islam-qa.com
I would certainly like to know what cantradictions in the Bible these "free thinkers" have found. Speaking of contradictions, what's this abrogation stuff all about?
The problem with the UAC's mission is that if they succeed in pressuring Muslim organizations enough so that they felt they had to issue a formal fatwa that was finally unprecedentedly unambiguous, how would we Infidels know the fatwa was not taqiyya?
Secondly, the only fatwa that would be perfectly unambiguous -- and therefore satisfactory to us Infidels -- would be one that in effect separates the fusion of State and Religion (or, in the case of Islam, Ummah and Islam), placing such concepts as "innocence" and "self-defense" and "enemy" and "mischief in the land" completely within the sphere of politics and completely outside the sphere of religion. For a fatwa to presume such a separation would be tantamount to a revolutionary transformation of the nature of Islam itself.
Peaceful, Maine:
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/07/13/286219-maine-community-denounces-mosque-attack
Note the picture of the clueless, brain-dead woman with the sign.
Television writes: "The problem with the UAC's mission is that if they succeed in pressuring Muslim organizations enough so that they felt they had to issue a formal fatwa that was finally unprecedentedly unambiguous, how would we Infidels know the fatwa was not taqiyya?"
The Muslim spokespersons are so good at taqiyya that if all it took to deceive the West was to issue such a formal fatwa, they would have done it several times by now already.
The problem is that a fatwa is more than just the usual handwaving disclaimers that "We denounce all forms of terrorism" drivel. It would have to make specific references to the Quran with specific interpretations of Islam that would justify such a fatwa against Osama. And forcing an anti-Osama interpretation of Islam to be on the record would be of tremendous significance even if its own writers disclaimed it. We could then wave it in the Islamists' faces and demand that they reply to it.
That's why it hasn't happened. And it also hasn't happened for another more prosaic reason: What aspects of Islamic law has Osama ever violated anyway? If Osama were dragged into an Islamic court, what would he be charged with under Islamic law, and could he be convicted?
As far as I know, the only thing Osama did wrong so far was he issued a fatwa against America even though he isn't a cleric. So, he could be charged with exceeding his authority. That's all.
Well, I'm going to issue a Challenge to Hugh Fitzgerald and Robert Spencer: What SPECIFIC aspects of the Quran and the Islamic law of Sharia has Osama violated, in your opinion?
If Osama were brought before an Islamic court to be tried under Islamic law, what should he be charged with?
(Besides issuing a fatwa without proper authorization)
PRCS:
Yes, that woman would be the first in line for persecution under Sharia.
PRCS; I know, I know, makes you want to scream. The Governor's visited the Mosque pledging 'solidarity' and the federal hate crimes are forthcoming.
She is kinda cute though, have always had a thing for armpit hair.
PCRS: "Note the picture of the clueless, brain-dead woman with the sign."
I would describe her facial expression as smug and self-satisfied.
What will be the response from the Muslim community, especially CAIR, to this challenge?
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