This invitation to explore the Islamic holy book came in with the subject line "beg to Allah." From this evening's Hate Mail Bag:
you all will be burning in the hell, u bastards. dont say anything against to Quran if u dont know anything. read it and talk again! if u can! u d***head
With this weather, I already -- oh, never mind. In any case, I haven't said a thing "against to Quran." All I've done is quote it, and quote it, and quote it. I guess that's bad enough.
Yes, I put in the asterisks.
Threats of burning in hell are what I get from Christians all of the time, and I mean all of the time, the more ferverent their belief the more adamant and threatening they are.. and as often as not they invoke Pascall's Wager.. suggesting or stating that I should hedge my bets and err on the side of belief.
No Robert I'm not playing tu quoque, just pointing out a fact that won't go away, that believers of all stripes invoke hell fire and threaten damnation to non believers.. that is after all what their sacred scriptures do.
There is no rational discussion with a believer of any stripe. How can there be when the basis of belief is unreason (faith), and a prerequisite is circular reasoning.. To wit: The Qur'an (Scriptures) are the word of Allah (god) because it says so in the Qur'an (scriptures) are the word of Allah (god) because it says so in the Qur'an (scriptures), et infinitum, et al, ad nauseum.
Robert,
Mail like that proves you are doing well with speaking the truth about what the Koran contains.
While you live, tell the truth and shame the devil. Some of those blows must be striking home!
Pleasantries from the religion of peace, I see. I tend to quote to Qur'an as well. To Qur'an is holy to some, but is an enlightening book of war to those who can read it. To Suras in to Qur'an speak for themselves. To Islamists who take it at face value are living proof of to Qur'an's violent tendencies.
Nariz, do they call you a bastard and a dickhead as well?
Nariz,
I believe the diffence is that those annoying Christians, even the most belligerent ones, for the most part, don't individually want to send you there.
Robert, the worst thing you can do to a muslim is tell them the truth. They cannot handle the truth. Quoting the koran, exposing the truth about their murderous cult is what is most damning thing we can do. Mohammed a prophet? Where are his prophecies in the koran? There are none.
Simple equation: No prophecy = no prophet.
Mohammed (pigs be upon him) was a murderer, a tribal warlord, a slaver, a rapist and a pedophile. Islamic history is quite clear on those facts. His followers are still following his example to this day and using the koran and hadith to justify their actions.
Wow! Such a 'holy' book that it's followers express themselves with such 'lovely' language! My my! So is THIS what we are to strive for? To have filthy mouths and hateful minds?
The Bible tell us that out of the heart the mouth speaks. Guess this person has a pretty evil heart!
Guess we know who allah REALLY is.
Robert,
I've seen your head and you don't look like a "Richard" to me!
Funny how every time I argue with Muslims online they can't answer simple questions like:
Is Allah:
Pure love or pure hate?
Pure evil or pure good
Absolute life or absolute death
So far I haven't got an absolute answer from any Muslim because they fear the truth when such answers reveal a massive flaw in Islam.
Instead, they bombard me to read the Qur'an and despite having read it numerous times and quote from it frequently, I still am wrong in my thinking.
Baby elephant syndrome I guess.
Nariz - I just did a quick check to be sure that the domain(?) name "www.crusadeswatch" wasn't taken yet. Turns out it's not too late to grab it.
Nariz~ God Loves You!
...must feel very threatening.
In the meantime the rest of us shall concentrate on the Real threat. I for one think it is time to read the koran again, this time one of the 'approved' versions....
Nariz, bite me. How's that for a believer?
Now, on topic...
Muslim heaven is not a place I want to go. Sharing space with Zarkawi or any of the headhunters of islam is no heaven.
Your threats of hell ring hollow.
What was the jihadi's reward - 72 virgins (whatever) who look just like Helen Thomas? Sometimes, I forget.
I don't know, it is a little unnerving to get such a message. Remember the Muslim who attacked the El Al passengers at LAX? His final message was "read the Koran".
It's time for a worldwide movement to terminate Islam as a political system. It should be abolished as a religion as well.
Oh, I think we should read it. It is after all a war manual. Know your enemy.
This guy AND the Kuran BOTH make me want to puke my guts out! Bleahhhhh!!!
PS-NARIZ: WE DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR comments about Christians. Find a website more attuned to your IQ level--like maybe the nearest on-line playstation. Maybe there your remarks about Christians will be believed (but do not count on it).
Nariz,
What condescending babble. Faith does not necessarily equal unreason. True Atheists have "faith" there is no God. This is despite much unreason required to answer ultimate questions. For example, eternity is something our rational sense cannot properly comprehend. It is irrational to ponder eternity, without faith in a creator. The beginnings of matter and life cannot be "proven" by observable and material theory. It only makes sense with some ultimate source as creator.
Think about something else: Virtually all scientists agree with the "Big Bang" theory. The Universe started as a small ball of energy and exploded outward. Scientists are in agreement that universe has been in expansion since that time. This theory has come from observable facts over years of studying light and star patterns. By the second law of thermodynamics, the idea of the universe as a small ball exploding outward makes no sense without a rational belief in the "ultimate" prime mover. By all laws, the universe could not have "become" a small ball of energy. An atheist must use more unreason in their "faith" in no God. An atheist must have "faith" in the beginnings of life by random chance. This despite the fact that we know cells are mini-universes. The chances of DNA randomly coming together in perfection is about 1 in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion. That's just the part of one cell.
Within Christianity (vs. Islam) God does not require irrational faith. Jesus Christ fulfilled over 300 Hebrew Scripture prophesies. these prophesies were written hundreds of years before Jesus birth. The chances of being coincidence are about 10 to the 128th degree. The teachings of Jesus Christ comport with human nature and what conscience knows to be right. There are many reasons "thinking" rational individuals eventually put their faith in a religion like Christianity. When so much proves correct in any theory or philosophy or religion, it is rational to put faith in it. We could not live without putting faith in a number of things. Some put "faith" in unproven theories about the origins of life. Others put faith in a reasonable belief in a religion that has proven correct in many areas.
On the issue of Hell: In many ways the concept allows peace and forgiveness in temporal life. All human beings see injustice throughout the lives of some people. We all intuitively want justice and fairness. If we believe there will be justice beyond this life, it gives peace in NOT seeking vengence and personal "justice" in this temporal life. "Revenge" is God's, and that's OK for a true believer. Why should that bother an atheist? I mean, if the atheist truly believes there is no God, why should he care what peaceful Christians believe.
I've never understood why Muslims feel they must murder infidels in this life IF they believe in Hell. As a Christian, I have more love for non-Christians. I can love my enemies and allow God to worry about the justice part. Additionally, my Christianity teaches that I deserve Hell, but can come to God only through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ (accepting God's justice for my sins on the cross). Therefore, I should never think I'm "better" than other humans. I certainly shouldn't seek to kill non-Christians. As we can see across the world, the vast majority of true Christians are peaceful and positive individuals.
Bottom line is don't compare Islam and Christianity just because of the belief in Hell. I could care less if Muslims (or anyone else) thinks I'm going to Hell. I am secure enough in my belief I don't care. I do care about a religion that seeks to bring murder and mayham in this temporal life. That goes against the philosophical ideal of God bringing ultimate justice.
Nariz, you're right. If you do not believe in your heart of hearts it means nothing to convert. God sees the heart. There are many people who are Christians in name only. Adolf Hitler was baptized a Roman Catholic but never manifested any evidence that he was a follower of Christ. To the contrary; his actions condemned him. Better an honest agnostic or atheist than a liar.
Robert-
Robert-
The haters can think and say what they damn well please, but if you or your staff get threats of violence, I hope you are turning them over to law enforcement. I'm sure you are being prudent.
________
On a separate matter....
I question the premise that Europe's elites are unaware of or in denial of the danger of Islam, or that they are importing it's fascism because of PC "tolerance", or appeasing it to placate the beast. I suspect some of that elite (govt, media, education, peddlers of "multiculturalism", etc.) have an agenda that would startle us. I think some of that elite are using "tolerance" as a Trojan Horse to promote circumstances that will bring about European fascism. The non-muslims are being made dhimmis-temporarily-to that end. Underneath it all I detect the face of fascism and antisemitism. It's not all about denial or appeasement. Some of the elite have an agenda....
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3285519,00.html
OK Nariz..I read it and I'm talkin' again...:
and Bohemond you are spot on. Did you know that Mohammed was such a "prophet" that whenever he wanted one of his associates wives he had a new 'revelation' that told him it was Allah's will to have her, and when he met some opposition by someone who happened to be a poet, he got a new 'revelation' that Allah wanted all poet's killed, thus an end that "that' opposition. Yes quite a man of god he was.....
Muhammad declared, "The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them."
Surah 4:76
76. Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.
Surah 8:59-60
59. Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them).
60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
Surah 9:29-35
29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
30. The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah.s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
31. They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
32. Fain would they extinguish Allah.s light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
33. It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
34. O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and anchorites, who in Falsehood devour the substance of men and hinder (them) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah. announce unto them a most grievous penalty-
35. On the Day when heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the fire of Hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, their flanks, and their backs.- "This is the (treasure) which ye buried for yourselves: taste ye, then, the (treasures) ye buried!"
Nariz == Nauseum = Y A A A A W N!
FYI = Jesus spoke MORE on the subject of hell than He did on heaven. Just be thankful that whoever is talking to you about hell, Nariz, is doing so because they care about you. Anyone who doesn't care about you would lie to you and tell you that there isn't a hell.
But then only a fool doesn't believe there's a God. Are you saying you're a fool?
Here's a dirty name with a movie reference.
Schwanzstuckerkopf.
Hey, Nariz, it is one thing for someone to condemn you to a spiritual death, it is quite another to saw someones head off.
Didn't Mo say that only about 5% of believers were going to paradise? He also said that he'd seen hell and most of the people in it were women. If I were a muslim I'd be very concerned about those figures.
How much of the current day bs on instant salvation for suicide bombers and their ilk is actually in the koran?
Muslims don't have any way to really know if they are going to paradise or to hell.
Mo was a con man besides all the other criminal things he was. Interesting to think that today we put people like him in prison.:)
This guy and his cronies need to read and UNDERSTAND the koran.
Hate vs Love -
The message of hate condemns people to hell by saying things like, "I hope you burn in hell, you bastards"....paraphrased from Roberts hate mail.
But the message of love WARNS people about hell apart from Christ, and would never say something evil like, "I hope you go to hell". Anyone who would say that to another human being is sick and twisted, and should never call themselves a Christian.
Islam is all about death; mothers proudly training up their kids as suicide bombers, fathers killing their daughters, slaughtering innocents, beheading, stoning women to death.
ISLAM - With each successive barbaric act committed in the name of allah (may the crumbs of pork rinds invade his asscrack), the great western giant awakens. Then you and your bloodlusting ilk will indeed see paradise, complete with 72 year old virgins, white raisins, fresh young hairless boys and some pretty intense heat.
Why do Muslims always warn us against hell when living with them is hell?
Every day thousands of Muslim intellectuals are leaving Islam. They find Islam inconsistent with science, logics, human rights and ethics. Millions of Iranians already have left Islam. The enlightened Muslims of other nationalities are not far behind. This is the beginning of a mass exodus from Islam. It is a movement that is already in motion and nothing can stop it.
WildandCrzyGuy: "Islam is all about death; mothers proudly training up their kids as suicide bombers, fathers killing their daughters, slaughtering innocents, beheading, stoning women to death"
I really don't think this can be disputed and it has got to get into the thick skulls of westerners when fighting wars against Muslims.
This whole Qaba saga was absurd, inasmuch as it put on gross display this fictitious pretence of Muslim reverence for human life. What a bloody joke!
Is infidel life precious to Muslims? No. I'ts utterly worthless.
Is Muslim children life precious to Muslims? No. There's not only the human shield phenomenon to argue against that but there is, as you point out, the whole cult of the child as martyr syndrome, backed up by the Iranians use of thousands of children to march across fields to clear mines, and the iraqi "insurgents" apparently thinking nothing of blowing up a bunch of kids seeking candy from US troops, to name but a few examples.
Is Muslim women life precious to Muslims? No. Honor killings as you point out, in which fathers and brothers and sons are quite capable of murdering (even by stabbing up close) their own mothers and sisters and daughters ( not to mention keeping them as virtual prisoners as par for the course).
Is adult male Muslim life precious to Muslims? No. The rampant sectarian violence combined with a casual predilection for torture, not to mention the "martyr" phenomenon etc. The fact that Muslims think nothing of Muslims slaughtering Muslims in Iraq, Sudan, Pakistan etc proves that not even adult male Muslim life is sancrosanct to Muslims.
In short, human life is worthless to Muslims. Muslim human life is only marginally more valuable to Muslims than infidel life (which is worthless). That's what the evidence shows (with the rare exception of when Muslims can milk some infidel transgression such as abu Ghraib or Qaba for all its worth).
What should we infidels make of this?
What I make of it is that I'm not about to assign more value to Muslim life than Muslims do themselves, especially when infidel life is at stake (and infidels on the whole genuinely DO value human life). It's certainly no accident that Muslims brag so constantly that they value death while we value life. That's another way of saying and openly acknowledging that Muslims DO NOT value human life! To which I say - well yes! So I noticed!
When we are at war with Muslims we have got to take that message to heart (it's what they're proudly telling us after all!) and do what we need to do (no more and no less - "civilian" casualties be damned) to defeat them (while ignoring their false, manipulative "crocodile tears") and in the process, we must at all times remember that if they prevail, ALL of human life will be rendered cheap as hell, just as it is for them.
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh. But I think that is simply the reality that is facing us. Plus - it's really only THEIR reality as they have been loudly telling and displaying for us for years now! I am merely hearing the message (I'm a good listener or so I'm told) and drawing reasonable conclusions from it.
I neither believe in nor worship Allah and neither do I want any part of their paradise with 72 houris.
Hi Robert,
Still getting "love letters" I see. By the way it's Susan_b here.
Well, you'll have alot of company in hell because the rest of us will be there with you if all it takes is getting a better understanding of what the koran actually says.
I always thought I'd get there for other reasons!
Darn! And all this time I was worried about........
'Every day thousands of Muslim intellectuals are leaving Islam...Millions of Iranians already have left Islam. The enlightened Muslims of other nationalities are not far behind. This is the beginning of a mass exodus from Islam'.
Hope your are right. Ali Sina claims more than half of all Iranians no longer consider themselves muslim.
Hi Susan_b. How is Co-jet going?
Threats of burning in hell are what I get from Christians all of the time, and I mean all of the time, the more ferverent their belief the more adamant and threatening they are---words of wisdom from Nariz
Nariz, how do you manage to get stuck in the midst of hell and brimstone spewing Christians "all the time?" That is not a scenario I find remotely credible.
Apparently you live in an area heavily populated by ultra-radical fundamentalist Christian extremists who are merely trying to save your soul by using scare tactics. I guess that was their last resort, since you wear your contempt for religion like a badge of honor. Be thankful they aren't threatening to send you to hell themselves; I would certainly be tempted.
Bottom line: Christians might annoy you, threaten you with the wrath of God and hellfire and damnation, but you know they are harmless. Try avoiding them. If they come to your house, slam the door in their faces. They'll meekly leave. Christians do not hate or murder atheists; they pray for them. Muslims hate you and would gladly kill you. Big difference.
Hi Carolyn,
It's been a long time! Rickb maintains Co-Jet and I went back to school. Finishing my linguistics degree.
I left the site due to an illness in the family and my Dad passed in March. I just couldn't give it my full attention.
But CGW got ahold of me tonight and I just thought I'd pop over and what do I find but Robert in trouble again! Ha!Ha!
I missed everyone and really hated giving up the email list, but again, I just couldn't give the attention it needed.
What was that? I was too busy being "forgivenf" by Allah, the God of Muslims and evidently bad spellers anonymous. Robert, keep fighting the good fight.
Patriot 1/17
Sorry about your Dad, Susan.
Come around more often. :)
I'll be here more often.
To Quran or not to Quran - that is the question.
I choose not, at least until I run out of toilet paper.
Robert your work is priceless and above all making a difference. sometimes l do feel sorry for Muslims, l mean there are good people everywhere, but to grow up to this murderous koran, thinking all non-muslims as evil especially Jews must be quite a bit of baggage to carry on for those who can think for themselves. l think there are many Muslims leaving their cult more than we think there are. you will always have that element of victims, and plenty of them around. but to have that test of leaving something you grew up, like many Muslims are doing must be a life changing transformation, but in the end they must feel so much freedom for themselves, very uplifting. then you get those who email from those nasty evil posters, they cannot develop beyond their mental capabilites, its beyond their human evolution. maybe some of them will keep reading and really try to read the Bible and see the difference.
oh btw Nariz you seem to be around sick Christian individuals, as l have never talked to any Christian who would tell me l would go to hell if l was not reborn, or did not go to Church, etc, the worst l heard was that l might have more trouble going to Heaven, for which l laughed at them, as l told some of them, that if my dogs did not meet me in Heaven, it would not be worth going there, as without dogs it would not be Heaven.
Any time an non-believer quotes from a particular Big Book of the Invisible Sky Wizard, the believer in that particular Sky Wizard goes apes**t because you just "insulted" their holy words with your infidel tongue.
(apologies for the run-on sentence)
It doesn't matter if you quote it accurately. Just that you would DARE hurl their faith's words back in their face is enough to incur their wrath.
Fortunately, the non-Muslim true belivers I've run into aren't nearly as murderous as the Muslims.
Nariz
Let alone Christians, not even cults - such as Branch Davidians, People's Temple (of Jim Jones), Heaven's Gate, Aum Shinriko - offered the same magnitude of threat that Islam does. To equate any Order with Islam serves to wittingly or unwittingly understate the threat of Muslims.
Incidentally, I didn't see you back up your figure of 3 billion Muslims in another thread. Do you simply lob intellectual grenades and then walk?
Assalamau-Laikum all,
I'm afraid that you need to try & understand where individuals like him (I am assuming this person is male) are coming from.
His hatred (of you) is based on a different interpetration of the Koran than yours...and that is a problem to him...he has seen the love of Allah, why can't you, let's have an example.
He sees the Quaran as saying things like "if you save one human being than it is like saving the whole of mankind"....that is in the Quaran.
What he hears from you is the quote of the sura of "a muslim hiding behind a tree or a stone wielding an axe waiting for an unbeliever" ..I mean this is out of context (he has NEVER seen a muslim hding behind a stone with an axe)...that IS out of context..why can't the infedel see that.
On the TV he has seen muslims waiting with an RPG...but Allah damnit..there is nothing in Koran about an RPG...so that's OK...why can't the infedel see that...he has no right to read the quaran like this.
He feels the only time this person gets loved is at home & at his friends home.
If he switches the tele on...he sees Israel killing beings from the umma.
It is the same in Afghanistan (although he has never been there), and Iraq.
This makes him angry, he feels powerless to do anything...so decides to pray for solace & peace of mind, opens the quaran and reads for a bit....and ah.."I'll surf on my new 8Mb/s line "....and look at what my brothers interepetration of the Koran is instead.
Through the forums...someone mentions Jihadwatch to him..."Now you are talking (he thinks)..an intellegent brother who has the foresight to open up a website, someone who understands Islam properly...Allah be praised AlluAkbar!...."let me get to it right now".
So he comes to JW and....bloody SHOCK...HORROR...
It is an infedel website...misquoting and listing sacred suras out of context... AGAIN...only the forums carry so much infedel hate as well.
The red mist is around him ALHUMDALILLAH!!! ...this is TOO MUCH...Allah please give me strength to respond to this montrosity...he pulls his hair in frustration..
"I'll speak to the imam..he'll know what to do and say...naHHH I spoke to him last time ...he only wants to stay in the Amerekie...he's a fu*king wuslim now, only interested in bringing his wife over & 5 childrens over...!
He forces himself to JW again..sees the JW email address...YES SIREEE....
"Take a bit of this ...and a bit of that.. quote the quaran out of context will you...I'll show you".
Phew!...I feel better now...but I' hungry ...now for some Mcdonalds!
Yeah, right. Love is simply shining from his post.
I understand him all right. He's been brought up with this book and taught not to question it from an early age, and that is why he takes it too seriously. He lacks the intellectual apparatus - and, perhaps more importantly the strength of soul - to question it. The early years of his life have been decisive for the formation of his mind in that respect, and it is now probably too late for him. There are millions in his position.
And if he has any moral doubts when he reads the many invocations to violence in the Koran or observes the jihad at work - in Mumbai, say - he manages to suppress them. David Hume thought that morality was natural to man and arose out of our social experience. But then Hume was not brought up in an Islamic society, was he? Mohammed Rasoel would be a better guide as to what to expect from those who have been.
In short, we have here a thoroughly nasty piece of work. He is, perhaps in the subcontinent. He may not actually attack local Hindus (or Ahmadis) if he is in a position to do so; but he and others like him form the pabulum that those who wish to engage in terrorism need to survive.
Naseem you closet-Sunni
Granted there were no RPG's in the Quran, Hadith or Tafseer, but neither were there any nukes, missiles, Kalashnikovs or a whole bunch of weaponry that didn't exist when the Qadiani prophet Mohammed was around. That didn't stop Babur from using cannons against Ibrahim Lodi (incidentally, in Pakistani history books, which of these Qatloo's is preferred?), it didn't stop AQ Khan from stealing nuclear technology from Dutch labs, or Pakistan from buying North Korean missiles, converting them to Islam, and naming them Ghori, Ghaznavi, Abdali, Babur - even though such missiles didn't exist during their time. Nor did Mohammed's lack of such weapons prevent Iran from obtaining Shedab missiles, or your handsome Nasrallah from obtaining Zilzab missiles - none of which are in the Quran.
If your fellow-Sunni is demonstrating the love of Allah, I can't wait to see what Allah's hatred looks like.
Peace and Jilbabs to you, your fellow Sunnis, your shor, and the wild slutty womens he doesn't have
Assalamau-Laikum American-in-Germany (AIG),
I love the greeting…thank you for making me feel so welcome, I take on board all wishes that bode well for me.
AIG says “Why are you trying to make excuses for this nutjob? Why try to analyse the reasons why he feels the why he does.”
Actually I am very disappointed to see this question from you …I thought that you understood both me and Islam more than you show.
Quite simply, you are driven by what you read …but you have not yet understood to read in between the lines, this is particularly important where Islam is concerned. The cornerstone of all deals and negotiations are done with understandings in-between the lines…(this explains for example why the UN is in Lebanon but have turned a blind eye for so long) you may be able to quote suras at will…but you are simply not there yet.
It is likely that this simpleton is a sunni. If there are two sects that simply cannot see eye to eye they are the sunni and Ahmadi. To think that I would try to defend this lund who misunderstands Islam, damages it’s reputation and it’s standing …you have got to be kidding.
No, but all of you MUST understand where he is coming from like Hugh says…..study the stance. I am not defending him…simply putting him in context with what he is saying and WHY he is saying it. He will not try to understand where you are coming from….but with those pictures on the TV in mind and reading the Koran …he may well wait for you with an axe behind a tree in Germany…so please avoid those walks in the park for now!
No, the 21st centaury is for the glory of Islam. Peoples like him know that …but they don’t know how to bring it about…..lashing out is NOT the way forward….the way to do it…is…. to do nothing….don’t talk…don’t be foolish…smile at the infidel...and just wait.
Use the wonderful facilities that the infidel offers over the next few decades.…grants to start up Islamic businesses, faith schools, complex hospital treatment, introduce Islamic products like “halal” meat and “halal” coke and “hala”l finance deals.
Also very importantly show your identity clearly by wearing Burkhas and prayer caps…speak, urdu, Arabic, do this everywhere……so that EVENTUALLY the infidel sees this all the time …and he thinks that this is all NORMAL…and Whoala….that part of Dar-al-Harb is Dar-al-Islam in all but name…
(that simply comes along a bit later).
Infedels who have a weak faith will start to convert and become wuslims…giving birth & rise to more wuslims. They start to assume power by becoming local councillors….slightly favouring the building of more mosques for the rising wuslim population….I mean what other choice is there? Allah needs to be prayed to. The infidel can keep the engineering jobs to keep the economy going…leaving the wuslim time, resources and sufficient sustenance to pray to Allah.
AIG, Allah has shown me grace, and favour for highlighting your future to you. Picture it AIG…your granddaughter in a burka…, your grandson wearing a prayer cap to the masjid, ….there is a lot of fashionable ones these days…they are not all black or all white.
All this will happen ….providing lund’s like him keep quiet. The only thing I want to add is that when these conversions happen….PLEASE choose Ahmadi…this will ensure Islam is dominant BUT there is no violence….you know it makes sense.
Allah Hafiz AIG
Nasseem,
Did you ever come across the English proverb "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"? It seems to me it applies here.
the amount of intelligence in the hate mail at the beginning of this page is just amazing. Tells us alot about the niveau of many muslims. How encouraging it is to know that they live among us.
Now, take this situation and put yourself in Israel in a house next to a house occupied by muslims (arabs). When the rockets start coming in, those "good" neighbors of your stand on their rooftop and scream death to jews and cheer the incoming rockets, which are being shot by terrorists in Lebanon, terrorist whom a number of european newspapers like to praise as "freedom fighters", the same newspapers who complain when the US reduces foreign aid here or there.
This scenario could one day also play itself out in the USA. Good to know that Mo preaches a God of love. Makes me feel warm all over. And certainly those christian lebanese whom the Hizb'allah ran out of Lebanon have that same warm feeling.
On Sept. 11, 2001, as I cried in front of the TV, I told my wife that we amis would march into Baghdad within 16 months. I have the feeling now that within 16 months, there will be nothing left of Teheran or Damaskus to march into except for radioactivity. So to speak, another type of warm feeling.
yojimbo: You forget in islam you can make anything out of nothing. Fabrication of events and history is an artform beyond the ability of infidels like us.
Naseem: You do have the freedom here to continue your rhetoric for now and you should count your lucky stars for that. But if and when the world becomes one big caliphate as you would like it to become - one of your first freedoms to go will be exercising your right to contribute your intelectual dribble here on this website.
And for that you may thank your lucky moon god allah.
I'm with you there, Jimmy.
I meant if the Ahmadis think they can get a peaceful religion out of the Koran they've got the wrong starting point.
Totally agree Yojimbo. Wrong starting point indeed. Islam is a religion that has its foundations built on the stark raving hallucinations of a paedophile.
The question is how much longer will this foundation stand?
I think I can see cracks already in this foundation through the efforts of this very brave website. For this I thank you Robert and all you brave contributors out there. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Keep up the good fight.
Naseems l know it must be difficult to be true to yourself, your being on this website trying to save your koranic belief must be an emotional slide to hell. wake up smell the coffee islam will die with more educated people who can actually read and not require some imman to tell you tell how to take the koran. Naseem you can read, learn about the history of your people, learn who they were murdered by the muslim arabs and those who rather live under their harsh cruel cult became muslims, those richer and defiant left for India and other parts. Naseem you
seem to be a reasonable person, how can one remain in a cult started by a perverted man who raped a nine year old girl? look at the life of "Jesus" which one's life would any God want you to follow, the crazed murderous child raper or "Jesus". it cannot be difficult when your heart and brain agree with "Jesus".
Naseem, what is the difference in suggesting doing this with the koran and muslims actually using bibles in Christian churches as toilet paper as muslims in Bethlehem and Denmark have done recently?
Your people do not respect our writings, so do not be surprised if we do not respect yours.
As a religious work the koran is laughable.
I don't even see why you call Mohammed a prophet. There is no prophecy in your koran.
Mohammed did not write it. It did not even exist in written form until after his death.
But muslims must always play the victim, musn't you?
You people with your hypocracy and double standards disgust me. You are like the boy who murdered his parents and then asked the judge to be merciful to him because he was an orphan.
A pathetic bunch of third world crooks, thugs, charlatans and murderers.
Infidel:
For the record, Nariz (then blogging under his former ID, Giaour) made the following prediction:
"The next Pope will be an ultra conservative dhimmitized African. And BTW African is not code for 'black' either, but the continent."
A little off the mark, eh?
exsgtbrown may have been "insensitive" as the phrase goes, but I think "horrendous" is pushing it a bit.
There is an interesting koan in the Zen Buddhist book The Gateless Gate - it's number 21
See here for the translation.
Muslims have fetishized the Koran. They accuse Buddhists of being "idol worshippers", but in fact Buddhists, or some Buddhists at any rate, try to combat excessive piety towards objects - by shock tactics, as here, if necessary. The Muslims, by contrast, have turned the Koran into an idol. It is just a book, and Muslims are badly in need of the maturity that would enable them to see that.
Airborne all the way exsgtbrown, Airborne!
Also an Invitation to read and examine this text below
is it a holly book or a playboy Magazine????
Or is it a holly book or a manual of how to becmoe a terrorist????
SHIT!!! are you teaching your kids this shit!!
no wonder why all of you are fucked up!!
1- "Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth, as a long hind and a graceful doe, let her breasts satisfy you at all times."
Proverbs 5:18-19
2-"Your stature is like a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I said, 'I will climb the palm tree. I will take hold of its fruit stalks.' Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine and the fragrance of your breath like apples."
Song of Solomon 7:7-8
3-"Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, 'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with a man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like...'"
Genesis 19:4-8
4-And I will set My jealousy against you, that they may deal with you in wrath. They will remove your nose and your ears; and your survivors will fall by the sword. They will take your sons and your daughters; and your survivors will be consumed by the fire."
Ezekiel 23:25
5- "And behold, one of those where were with Jesus reached and drew out his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest, and cut off his ear."
Matthew 26:51
6-"And they dressed Him up in purple and after weaving a crown of thorns, they put it on Him....And they kept beating His head with a reed, and spitting at Him.... And they led Him out to crucify Him."
Mark 15:16-17
Saywhatyousay....God intended sex to be beautiful between a man and a woman. What is wrong with that?
Lot was trying to protect angels (God's holy messengers) from homosexuals who were trying to rape them. Because Lot was a righteous man, he was trying to prevent the molestation of God's holy angels. Fortunately, the angels were able to defend themselves and Lot didn't have to sacrifice his daughters. God is merciful.
War is ugly. When was it ever attractive? The bible does not gloss over this.
Jesus healed the ear. Peter was only trying to protect his Christ because he lacked understanding. Jesus knew the purpose of his coming was to die for our sins. Peter didn't know this. His kingdom was not yet and so Peter did not need to defend him.
The Romans were known to be brutal and crucifiction was a horrible way to die. Nevertheless, Jesus went WILLINGLY so that you might have peace with God. He took your place without complaint. God said that the wages of sin is death. So if you sinned, you are guilty before God. Yet, God loved you and gave you a way out. A gift of eternal life through the death of His only son....the sacrifical lamb of God.
So then, why are you so bitter? Why are you so angry against God? Why hate those who love God?
Nariz is a muslim. Read his posts.
Nasseem, if you cannot understand written English i.e. (exsgtbrown, that is a tough one alright) go away.
SayWhatYouSay wrote,
Also an Invitation to read and examine this text below is it a holly book or a playboy Magazine????
No, it is not a playboy Magazine. So get your hands out of your pants.
Bohemond_1069, exsgtbrown,
Be careful that can cause a lot of chafing.
The cyber jihadis have been busy here as of late. Anyone else notice the ratcheting up of their lies and propaganda?
tgusa ...I think they tried to hack and take down the site. It was offline for a few minutes and then back up.
I suspect this site irritates them to no end since it tells the truth about the evil of this false religon.
The Goobs,
You are correct. The site was only down for a couple of minutes though.
Saywhatyousay,
The scripture is often explicit in its accounts of human actions because it clearly recognizes the dark reality of human nature.
Almost all Jews and Christians are familiar with the account of Lot and the destruction of Sodom. If you'll take time to read the account it shows both the responsibility we have for our own actions and the hope of turning away from evil.
Ezekiel 23:25, which you cite, is a warning by God for the people to end injustice or oppression or these terrible things will happen.
As for the verses from Proverbs and the Song of Songs... these are just a few examples of the beautiful love poetry found in the scripture. Only the most narrowminded puritan would find it objectional. Read 2nd Samuel 1: 17-27 which is David dirge for his dearest friend Jonathan or if you want explicit, then read the Book of Hosea or the Book of Jonah (yeah, the one with the whale) which show the infinite love of God for even the most undeserving of his creatures.
Anyone can pick and choose a few verses out of context but basic to the message of Christianity and Judaism is love for humanity and our responsiblity to work for justice.
Bohemond_1069: "A pathetic bunch of third world crooks, thugs, charlatans and murderers."
I think you are being too kind. It is an insult to the so-called third world countries to group them with the Islamic territories. The Islamic areas of the world are some kind of "fourth world," wherein not only is the economic, political, and cultural situation underdeveloped, but where, because of Islamic fatalism, absolute closed-mindedness, and depraved attitudes toward the rest of humanity, there is no hope of development, ever.
Until Islam dies out, the fourth world will continue to sink. The Muslims' sick dream is to drag the rest of us down with them.
Naseem & Nariz -
Do I detect a LOVE match? You two seem perfect for one another!
Infidel Pride -
That's EXACTLY what Nariz does. He posts his snide remarks about Christians/Conservatives, and then he disappears from sight; only to reappear on another thread so he can foment his garbage ALL over again.
champ,
I have watched Nariz carry on completely normal Infidel discussions with unsuspecting posters. He is very subtle but the underlying motive is always the same, to sow confusion and despair within the Infidels any way it can.
Thanks tgusa -
Interesting how "Nazi" can be found in Nariz's name. Nazi's were anti-everything, and that certainly describes this guy.
Provoslavni,
your post are the only one that makes sense
the other posts are mindless
I am familiar with Lot's story as we also have in Quran That’s what I am trying to say
Every holy book has its fare share of violence but the thing is how people interpret it
Some takes it as a wisdom and few takes it as a command to go and commit violence
(I.E Osama Bin Laden) I.e Adolf Hitler I.e Ehod Olmert
The good people are the people who reads the book and understands it and understand the massage of god
That calls for Peace, Loving others and doing good and this message was in Quran, Bible and the Torah
massage of god
Now that , I would be interested in seeing.