Why, of course not. Those rockets lobbed at civilians in Israel, those are directed to the cause of peace and justice. "Govt, Muslim advisers clash on Hizbollah," from AAP, with thanks to David:
The government is on a collision course with its Muslim advisory group over its claim that Hizbollah should not be considered a terrorist organisation.The Muslim Community Reference Group is considering writing to Prime Minister John Howard asking the government to reconsider its listing of the militant arm of Hizbollah as a terrorist organisation....
Mr Howard made it clear Wednesday the government had no intention of removing the militant arm of Hizbollah from its official list of terrorist organisations.
"No chance, full stop. No chance at all (of removing Hizbollah from the list)," Mr Howard told reporters.
Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said the decision to ban Hizbollah, which was first listed in 2003, had not been made lightly.
"They're not decisions which are political," he said....
"I'm not aware of any information that would suggest we should reconsider proscription of the military wing of Hizbollah."
But Ameer Ali, chairman of the Muslim advisory group set up last year in the wake of the London terrorist bombings, says Hizbollah should not be lumped in with groups like al-Qaeda.
"They should not condemn Hizbollah as a terrorist group," he told AAP.
"I don't think they should judge that they are simply a terrorist organisation like al-Qaeda.
"It is part of Lebanese politics."...
Dr Ali believes the government's assessment of Hizbollah is clouded by the US and Israel.
"We are of the opinion that the Australian government does not have an independent foreign policy with regard to the Middle East," he told ABC Radio.
"We go along with whatever the Americans say and the Americans go along with whatever the Israeli lobby says."
"I don't think they should judge that they are simply a terrorist organisation like al-Qaeda."
For a long time I thought they do it on purpose.
However, I now think I got the clue to some of their ways.
In Islam, thinking in analogies has a long tradition, and thinking logically in the Aristotelian sense was used in a short period only by some scholars.
Their method of analogies is finding similarities or dissimilarities with a reference case (which probably is chosen according to the agenda in mind).
By this method, it is easy to show that Al-Qaeda and Hizbollah are different.
However, our Western thinking, which made the West successful, is identifiying criteria and judging from those. Criteria are found in a discourse, conclusions are drawn with Aristotelian logic. And we expect each other to search for truth without an agenda.
Now, in the West we say that a group that uses force for political reasons and (not against a dictatorship) is a terrorist group.
They usually got us with the discussion of the criteria and we took for granted they wanted to find criteria honestly. This led to endless circular discussions, as they had their agenda: They want to have special rights and seperate criteria for themselves.
Now that we are fed up with their agenda, discussion has stopped.
For ten years now I could not stand Mr. Howard, but in the light of the recent development in jihad, and the stance he takes, I have ever more sympathy for him...
..and in this case: Bravo, Aussies! Teach the world Aussie Rules, ..and not the game.
The names of the Islamic organizations are irrelevant: The ideology and the method is the same, the Koran and the Sunnah is the same and so are the goals of the Jihad against the infidel nation state...
The Australian government is less naive than the US-government and less foolish than the Blair government who appointed Tariq Ramadan and Azzam Tamimi to advisory positions in government, hoping against hope that some sense and some "why-can't-we-all-just-get-along" fuzzy thing would evolve....
Nevertheless, even here in Australia we have nobody who really understands the Mohammedan nightmare and the jihad-ideology, we know that Islam is a dangerous and violent ideology and we see the writing on the wall, but at this point in time we have nobody that can formulate a workable policy against it.
Phillip Ruddock, Amanda Vanstone & John Howard are quite a team, but we need a Hugh Fitzgerald or a Robert Spencer to advise and to help formulate policies and laws to counter the Mohammedan nightmare...
Andew Bolt from the Heral Sun is quite a courageous character, he is making the right noises, but he is regularly screamed down by a vicious lumpen-proletariat who want "revolution" at all cost and without understanding what such a revolution would bring....
Interesting times indeed!
The madman of Iran, Ahmad-in-jihad is working feverishly towards the Islamic bomb.... The "Arab street" is full of gossip and the 22/08 is the ominous date for a nuclear attack on Israel...
I hope that we have our ears on the ground and that we attack them before they attack us...
Strangely, I should be posting this from Israel at this moment, but I am still in Australia...
Perhaps I will post to all JW/DW people from Israel next week!!
What this situation with the Muslim Advisory council shows is the problem with political correctness and indentity based political advocacy groups in general. No longer are people citizens but a part of this or that competing group to be placated and bought off.The Western goverments in general are held hostage by a whole gamut of these ethnic/religious advocacy groups and the minorities as perpetual victims racketeers. All the annoying grievence groups Muslim or not,are a pernicious problem that need to be brought under-control. These groups act like spoiled children and hold debate and goverment policy hostage by their threats and whining. Already in many Western countries these so-called advocacy groups feted and pandered to in the name of diversity and all the rest of the b.s., function and succeed in their demands by an implied threat of violence and strife. Simply put Western leaders would do well to get away from communal,identity politics and seriuosly marginalize all the presure groups.
Having Muslim advisers for issues related to Islam is like consulting an Al-Qaeda representative on anti-terror matters.
And they should believe them because....??????
Well this is listed under dhimmi watch but it is once again showing that the Howard government are not dhimmis. I know this doesnt fit the world view of some commentators, but as an Australian I am glad to see the government standing up to its own pathetic advisors.
Prior to Sept. 11, Hezbollah could claim credit for taking more American lives in a single attack than any other terrorist organization. In 1983, a truck laden with explosives smashed into the multinational force barracks in Beirut, killing 241 American Marines. The next year, a suicide bombing at the U.S. embassy in Beirut killed 17 Americans, including many of the embassy's CIA staff.
Hezbollah was born, with the assistance of Iran in 1982. The group's power base is in the Bekaa Valley,its followers are drawn from the Shia communities in south Lebanon and the southern suburbs of Beirut. Hezbollah's strength and reputation has grown with each attack on the Israeli Defense Forces in the country.
Hezbollah pioneered the use of "human bombs" against Israeli and Western targets. The group was also responsible for a spate of kidnappings of Western citizens throughout the 1980s. The group has been connected with two attacks on Israeli targets in South America in 1992 and 1994. Hezbollah's objectives are striking at Israel and securing the release of prisoners held by Israel, and cultivating its political position in Lebanon. Hezbollah has cells in North America and Europe, and receives financial aid, as well as weapons and training, from both Syria and Iran.
For these reasons, the U.S. government views Hezbollah as a foreign terrorist organization with "global reach..
Any muslim group, whether it's hisssboollahhh or the mo scouts , if the koran has ANYTHING to do with it, should be considered a terror organization.
You said it, Freewoman. But it's gone beyond just "groups." To me, in my Islamophobic paranoia, EVERY Muslim is a potential Jihadi.
It's my fault that Islam is synonymous with terrorism, because I'm a racist.
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"In Islam thinking in analogies has a long tradition"... they also lie a lot if it will further their agenda. They have no use for non-Moslems, and no use for the truth.
No, Know Your Enemy, it's not your fault. It's the muslims fault for making you that way. And I too believe every muslim is a potential jihadist.
And islam is not a race, btw.
Every Muslim IS a potential Jihadist. Mohammed was a Jihadist and he is their example. If they obey their 'prophet' and his teachings they cannot but be a Jihadist. The Q'uran and the Hadith clearly state the Muslims must kill all Jews before the 'end' will come. Muslims that don't believe that don't beleive the Q'uran or the prophet. We silly infidels better wake up to this fact for the jihadist revel in our very ignorance.
"We go along with whatever the Americans say and the Americans go along with whatever the Israeli lobby says."
HOWEVER, all of the infidel leaders are supposed to go along with whtever any muslim group says/dictates...
Hizballah not terrorist group - Next we'll be forced to admit that the Phoenix Cardinals are a football team.
Muslim outrage!
http://budmansvoice.blogspot.com/2006/07/crusader-original-1-neal-boortz-on.html
Play "Crusader Original #1-Neal Boortz "
Its a real slapdown.
"It is part of Lebanese politics."...
Thanks for clarifying that, Ameer. I guess we can designate Lebanon a terrorist state now. That would make Israel's job that much easier.
And when we consider gems like this:
From Insight.Video can be viewed here for the moment, and for those who missed, it will be repeated friday at 1pm and monday at 2pm. (Here in Oz).
L.Drummond.
"We are of the opinion that the Australian government does not have an independent foreign policy with regard to the Middle East," says Dr Ali.
Wake up Dr Ali! It is a historical fact that Australia and the USA are allies. We have been for many years. It would be novel and refreshing if just for once people intending to migrate to the West bothered to read up on our history. It does bring into sharp focus the reasons these people with their inimicitious nature come to our shores.
How ‘bout we take this approach: let’s write some nasty things about Hezbollah; let’s say that its morals are deplorable; let’s say that members or Hezbollah should remain friendless; let’s really unload on Hezbollah and paint it as a vile organization. We could then turn it into a book, have it distributed through the Auburn muslim bookstore which deals in hate literature and hope to sell it to as many muslims as possible. The muslims will believe it and Hezbollah will become an object of hate. Isn’t that how it’s done.
This is a good lesson for Australia. Now maybe they will have the political will to immediately dissolve the Muslim Advisory Council.
RE: "No chance, full stop. No chance at all (of removing Hizbollah from the list)," Mr Howard told reporters.
Bravo Mr. Howard!!!!
Jihad and Islamic terrorism are one and the same. Hizbollah is in essence a jihadist or mujahidin army therefore it follows logically that it is a terrorist organization in the same vein as al-Qaeda.
The Israeli lobby goes along with the US lobby, I might add. Not the other way around.
In Australia the leftist opponants of John Howard like to refer to him as "Little Johhny", but it seems to me he's got more guts than most world leaders when dealing with the Islamic threat. Still we need leaders who can see that the only way to defeat Islam is to stop and reverse Muslim immigration to western nations.
Islam will not be defeated when the west has fifth columnists working hand in hand with leftists to undermine the war effort.
I think we should also stop refering to Islamists as terrorists, they are Islamists and Islam is the problem, terror is just a weapon its the idealogy that needs to be rooted out and destroyed in much the same way that nazism was dealt with. But what worries me is that we no longer have great war leaders like Churchill or Rosevelt, men who knew that in order to fight a war you had to go all out and not pussyfoot around.
Terror is part of Jihad. In fact terrorising the Infidel is specifically mentioned in the Koran.
The War on Terror is thus effectively the War on Jihad.
Since the WoT was declared by GWB, many have questioned the PC nature of this label. On further thought, it seems to be aptly named; we should from now on refer to it as War on Terror(Jihad).
Hey Sheik/GG
I saw your post on Andrew Bolt's 'blog!
Good for you!
(I had to change my user name there - someone "trolled" me,lol! i.e. stole my identity)
Keep us posted from wherever you are - be safe!