“U.S. authorities are searching for 11 Egyptian men who arrived in the United States last month but failed to turn up at Montana State University for a scheduled academic program.” – from this news item
Lots of blame for this idiotic and dangerous business. First, the people who have the bright idea of winning hearts and minds, unwinnable hearts and minds, by bringing Arabs and other Muslims to this country to learn about it and all its wonders, so that then naturally they will be impressed with the Western world. How often do the idiots who are supposed to protect us, in the government, in the FBI, in the CIA, have to be told that many of the most dangerous Muslims are those who have traveled to, lived in, or may still live in that West? Some only feign to be the kind of "moderates" we keep hoping for. Others find, in the West, that they cling harder to, or often return to, religion -- as a way of coping with too much strangeness, that threatens to overwhelm or unhinge them. We should not be risking the lives of our citizens for the sake of this experiment in international living. Leave that to the boys and girls in Putney, Vermont.
Then there are the entrepreneurs, whether offering special classes, special courses, or are merely part of some already-established college or university hoping to get in on the "cultural awareness for and about Muslims" racket. The government no doubt is eager to spend money on this sort of thing, because it is so much more in harmony with the spirit of this sappy-sentimental age, in which all problems merely reflect an imperfect "understanding" of each other. No -- the hatred for Infidels inculcated by Muslims is not based on any misunderstanding, any failure to understand those Infidels, any misinterpretation of how well-meaning those well-meaning Infidels may be. Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira fill Believers with hostility, even hysterical and murderous hatred in many though obviously not all cases, not because we do this or do not do that, but simply because we are Infidels.
Yet here was this group, being brought to Montana. To study what? At what institution? Paid for by whom? The United States is not some kind of Fun Fair and Playground, open to all who manage to talk their way in, so that they can then promptly disappear from view. After that, if they are Muslims, who knows what one or two or several or many more of them will be capable of in a month or a year, or five years.
Heads should roll for this dangerous farce. Give it wide publicity. Raise the matter in Congress. Find out as much as you can about the whole thing. And then make sure that such farces, from those "democracy projects" that some entrepreneurial Americans in Washington think-tanks are no doubt making money on hand over fist (cherchez not la femme, but le fric, toujours le fric), are not repeated.
Then there are the schools. Their role in this sort of thing must not be ignored. Various language schools, if they happen to be owned by and for Muslims, can cleverly hire people, thus providing them with work visas, to teach, say, Arabic or Farsi. The person thus hired can then receive a letter, to be shown to the INS, that affirms that Muhammad or Abdullah is doing a job -- teaching Arabic or Farsi (both of them defined, don't forget, as "critical languages") -- that can't be done by an American. In fact, if a Muslim owner of such a school were to wish, he could assign a teacher for each separate class. Even better, he could simply make up phantom classes or phantom students who are supposedly taking individual tutorials, put the money in the till (money may not be the point: remaining in America for some of these people may be far more important), and the government would be none the wiser.
Now if I were a clever policeman, if I were an FBI agent really trying to do my job, and if I were living, say, in the Boston area, then I'd start with, say, this or that language school. . I'd find out who owns it. I'd find out what classes are offered, and who is on the teaching staff, and teaching what. I'd do a lot of things. And then I'd go on to another five hundred such language schools, or other "schools" for which student visas or for that matter teaching visas can be obtained, and go from there.
It's not hard to figure out what has to be investigated, what has to be looked into.
Not in a year or two. Now.
Ask your Muslim friends, "Why DO Muslims come to the decadent, Zionist-controlled, filthy, perverted land of Infidels to begin with?"
Don't Muslims have universities? Don't they have colleges? So why come to America for school? Are our schools better? Is our culture better? Ah, but we already now the answers to these questions. But none of us will speak the truth.
Don't worry, Mr. Fitzgerald. I'm sure that Abu Gonzoles will be HOT ON THE CASE. Just as soon as he can finishes busting the potheads, pornographers, and strippers. Meanwhile, you can bet your bottom dollar that someone will find a way to blame this on Clinton. Just as soon as they finish finding a way to blame the shut down Alaskan pipeline on Clinton.
LOL... I once told a Muslim in college, Welcome to America! Most of us love to eat pigs, and the few that don't won't because we love them so much.
We like beer, liquor, and wine.
We like pornography, sex, sex toys, adult theaters, sodomy, lingerie, and S&M.
We like naked and almost-naked women. We like tight dresses, high mini-skirts, low-cut shirts, bikinis, thongs, stockings, etc.
We like homosexuals, lesbians, and bisexuals.
We like Jews, Israel, Hindus, and India.
We like cigarettes, marijuana, cocaine, meth, ecstasy, and herion.
We like sexual explicit (or at least implicit) songs.
We like to sleep late.
We like to go to church once a week at best, but most of us go twice a year unless there's a wedding or a funeral. And if it's an Irish funeral, we dance and get wasted immediately thereafter.
We like sports, gambling, and wasting time.
We love dogs. We even named our deity "God" because it's "dog" spelled backwards.
We like to question the "sacred truths"... that's why we lead the world in science, research, and developement.
We like to have fun. Our teenagers like to date, "fool around" and most of them are already having sex... in fact, several KINDS of sex.
We like that our women can divorce their husbands and take half of everything.
We like that it's illegal for a man to beat or rape his wife.
We like that everyone has full rights and recourse to the law, even our minorities.
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The question is, why did you come here?
The outstanding case in point to confirm this argument is one Sayyid Qutb: When did he become the leading ideologue of the Muslim Brotherhood [the Ikhwan]? After he had spent two years in the United States learning about the American way of life. And his book written after he came back to Egypt stresses that he found American culture unacceptable from an Islamic viewpoint. It seems that he was especially offended by watching a square dance in Arkansas.
Yet, one of the academic hexperts who works with John Esposito, and an alleged expert on Sayyid Qutb, Yvonne Haddad, claims that he was angered over US support for Israel, whereas Qutb's book makes clear that the main thing was his loathing for American culture, women's freedom, etc.
Yes, this is a farce! People are always screaming about the ILLEGAL mexicans coming into the country becuase afterall they need to wait in line like the legals do. Yet can someone explain to me why every muslim who has a questionable backround seems to get in or is allowed in as a student or other purposes? They get teaching positions after running jihadist organizations. They get to set up businesses many of which are fronts for all sorts of jihadist scheams. Yet if you listen to those who attack the mexican illegals the arguments they use will NOT prevent muslims from getting in. You see the muslims don't need to cross the mexican border. All they have to do is ride the wings of the state dept and others into the country. They get in by legal means. So when you tell the mexican to "get back into line" you are really saying get "behind the muslims". It takes cash to get into this country.....
I would rather live next to 10 illegal mexicans then to live next to one legal Saudi. One wishes to prune my garden and the other wishes to prune my head. One uses his industry to improve himself and the uses his industry for jihad.
The list provided above by "kj" of things we, Western men, supposedly "like," consists not entirely, but largely so, of some of the most deplorable things the decadent West has to offer. And it is offered up not in a spirit of self-critical mockery, but rather in a spirit of gleeful celebration. Good God. That Islam and what it inculcates, in what it encourages, and what it limits, entitles us to rightly regard it with at the very least distaste, at the most sheer horror, is perfectly justified. To then speak and write as if everything that has been done in the Western world is admirable, or justifiable, when all around us we see evidence of the sheer crap that so much of it is, not least in the educational system, and in the amorality and idiocy of so many, disturbs and more than disturbs. After the Soviet Union collapsed, one commentator, annoyed at the triumphalism, wrote that "just because they are sick does not mean that we are well." Islam is awful. And there is plenty of awfulness, but of a different kind, and a kind which one can deal with, a situation that is ameliorable, and at its worst offers nothing quite so bad as Islam.
But the list above is not the Western world, is not even America. It is a cheap version, the kinid of thing that a Muslim propagandist would, in large part, offer up as a list of Infidel horribles. There is plenty there not to celebrate, but to deplore.
I read an article where a German scientist has been developing an "anti-stupidity" pill which shows promise in recent tests. It may be a great thing, but knowledge is a greater weapon.
Let's see now......Egyptian + muslim + male + students + missing in the U.S.......nope, I'm not worried. They're probably just sight seeing in some major city...things like tall buildings and subways, you know, all the usual tourist stuff.
Some of the most vicious terrorists in the world are from Egypt. The good Dr. Zawahiri, I believe, for one.
ky: do you think all those things don't exist in the muslim world? Get real.
I agree that this farce has to stop, but it all goes back to our leaders, media, etc. inability or unwillingness to recognize the Islamic gorilla in the room. Until islam receives the official recognition it deserves as a threat to all non-muslims, madness like this will continue.
As far as why Muslims contine to come to the lands of the Kafir, it's simple. Either it's the opportunity to indulge in the pleasures of the West's decandent side or engage in Jihad. Or what's more likely, enjoy some of the West's decadent pleasures before engaging in Jihad.
We need to find out who the employee is letting in all these people and throw them in jail. There should be NO muslim working in ANY government office. Would they allow a known Nazi to work in those positions? I think not. Subversive ideology is subversive ideology.
There are universities, colleges and language schools in their own countries. If they want to learn English, they can do it at home.
I would rather live next to 10 illegal mexicans then to live next to one legal Saudi. One wishes to prune my garden and the other wishes to prune my head. One uses his industry to improve himself and the uses his industry for jihad.
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at August 8, 2006 09:30 AM
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Do some reading about Atzlan (meixcans wanting to take back all of the southwest.) and you will find out why there is such an uproar about illegals as well as terrorists entering across our borders.
Due to the PCness and liberalism of America and the influences of the world's PCness and liberalism, neither problem will be addressed or solved until ied's, wmd's and/or nukes go off in America.
If the libdems take over congress and then the presidency, if we have that long, you better plan now for severe upheaval in America and across the world for there will be curtailing of rights and freedoms including confiscation of individual owned arms.
Prepare, be armed, be ready.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
Kj:
When you roam around the dark sides that freedom allows us; please don't lump everybody into it by using the plural pronoun word "we".
Take a little time and spend it on some of the positive aspects of freedom.
Thanks Mackie
HUGH...what did kj say that is so bad????
(1) "We like beer, liquor, and wine."
TRUE!
(2) "We like pornography, sex, sex toys, adult theaters, sodomy, lingerie, and S&M."
Perhaps he should have said "we tolerate" but this stuff has been around from the days of the greeks.
(3) "We like naked and almost-naked women. We like tight dresses, high mini-skirts, low-cut shirts, bikinis, thongs, stockings, etc."
TRUE! Nothing that is going to bring down civilization in this. I am sure women perfer the same of men also.
(4) "We like homosexuals, lesbians, and bisexuals"
He should have said "we accept". Remember Alan Turing (father of modern computers)was a homosexual. How is this wrong? How does this bring down western civilization??
(5) "We like Jews, Israel, Hindus, and India."
Correct! We try to treat everyone equal under the law.
(6) "We like cigarettes, marijuana, cocaine, meth, ecstasy, and herion."
I cannot defend this one based on known facts.
(7) "We like sexual explicit (or at least implicit) songs."
True, every love song is explicit to a degree. Its as old as the hills.
(8) We like to sleep late.
Can't say I do but what ever floats your boat. Not something that is wrong however??
(9) "We like to go to church once a week at best, but most of us go twice a year unless there's a wedding or a funeral. And if it's an Irish funeral, we dance and get wasted immediately thereafter."
Depends on who you are but many Americans are that way. It is not "bad" unless you are a bible thumping christian who thinks it is bad....Hugh are you a bible thumping Christian??? How is this a problem?
(10) "We like sports, gambling, and wasting time"
Everything correct except the "wasting time part". Americans don't waste time. However if in europe then yes...they waste time.
(11) "We love dogs. We even named our deity "God" because it's "dog" spelled backwards."
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(12) "We like to question the "sacred truths"... that's why we lead the world in science, research, and developement."
YES! and YES! Correct!!!!!!!
(13) "We like to have fun. Our teenagers like to date, "fool around" and most of them are already having sex... in fact, several KINDS of sex."
Only partial agreement...teenagers having sex would be a push however.
(14-16) "We like that our women can divorce their husbands and take half of everything.
We like that it's illegal for a man to beat or rape his wife. We like that everyone has full rights and recourse to the law, even our minorities."
Correct! and True! and Right!
Therfore after careful analysis I could conclude that kj was "wrong" on no. 6, part of no. 10, and no. 13. I have no idea what no. 11 is. Numbers 1-5, 7-9, part of 10, 11-12, 14-16 are all ok by western standards. Maybe you all have a different version of the west. Hugh perhaps you should state what you find so objectable???
Kj...I enjoyed your post...I recognize we post things at speed on this site...some items you list I would not partake of...
Overall, this information has me perplexed. The Federales are looking for 11 suspects.
Yet, the Department of State will not release their names or pictures.
This makes no sense. All of their photos and names should be appearing every 10 minutes on every TV screen in this country, 24/7, until they are found and arrested. Appearing in homes, bus stations, truck stops, airports, railway stations, schools, colleges, gas stations, convenience stores, banks, motels, hotels, shopping malls, home improvement stores, restaurants,hot dog stands, beach resorts, flight schools, police stations, fire stations, et al...
I am the only one that 'gets it'?.
SCV: you are not alone...the FBI (the Federal Bungling of Investigation) is part of the PROBLEM, not part of the solution. They stink.
"Sappy and sentimental" is right! You wouldn't believe how prevalent this attitude is out there in civic/university/service club land! I just quit Rotary because I was tired of their santimonious "peace park" drivel and their utter certainty that if we all just held hands and sponsored exchange students etc everything would be wunnerful.
AND we just had a group of Muslim students come through our U and there was the usual clueless coverage in the local papers--like, "why all the fuss about Islam?? Chill out, people!" Morons.
It's all around you, folks.
What is truly scarey?
Some of the employers of Muslims are AIRPORTS, TRAIN STATIONS, SUBWAY STATIONS AND IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS.
Do ya think ABU would turn a blind eye if Ahmed showed up with couple of unregistered handbags?
HMMM.
Muslims are also filling in Judges positions, clerk of court positions, and becoming lawyers and politicians.
The march is on--Keep your eyes open and your mind clear and focused.
I love the fact that in our society we can embrace either the pleasures of kj or the philosophy of Hugh without having to check with a mullah for permission.
And we can draw cartoons and do comic parodies without the fear of an assassination like MR. van gogh (who made a short film about the plight of Muslim women). People who make statements or try to have a little fun in Muslim countries just die. I hope our children will have the same pleasures all their lives.
Yes, it is criminal for our own government to continue importing muslims from every radical Islamic nation in the world to attend our universities, like the ten thousand Saudis that Bush proudly announced would come to America to embrace our wonderful culture, meet and love the American people, and eventually return to Wahabbi Hell to share their epiphany with their fellow Saudis. The naive idiots who concoct these brilliant ideas to "prove" to muslims that America and Americans are wonderful don't have a clue how the muslim mind operates. The cultural scene on American college campuses is hardly a microcosm of mainstream America, but even mainstream America would trigger culture shock and affront pious Wahabbis.
Our intelligence agencies cannot keep up with the daunting task of monitoring the terrorists living among the millions of muslims already here but instead of mitigating an existing threat, the government multiculturalists exacerbate it, endangering all Americans. Insidious social experiments like this severely jeopardize American security, but I forgot, the government doesn't believe that Islam is a threat. Sadly, most Americans don't either. As far as I'm concerned, these groups of muslim students that are sent to America are spies for their respective governments. Don't we have enough problems to deal with without inviting more muslims into our country? Many of the 9-11 terrorists were Western-educated and lived in the West and they obviously were not impressed.
A question that urgently needs to be asked of the ICE and FBI:
If US authorities can't keep track of 11 Egyptian students, how in the world can the American people trust the USG to keep track of the 21,000 Saudi students who are bound for the United States in the next 4 years?!
http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/008674.php
ICE
Student and Exchange Visitor Program
Contact
http://www.ice.gov/sevis/contact.htm
FBI
Contact the Awareness of National Security Issues and Response (ANSIR) Officer at your local FBI Field Office:
http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm
How about we turn the tables. We stop immigration and offer to send teachers to teach at Saudi schools in Saudi Arabia, Then, should harm befall our teachers, destroy Saudi Arabia.
FBI: Approach Missing Egyptians with Caution
August 08, 2006 11:38 AM
The FBI has issued an urgent nationwide alert for 11 Egyptian students who entered the United States last week but failed to show up for their courses at Montana State University.
An FBI advisory says there are, at present, no known connections to any terrorist group but that the students are to be "approached with caution" and taken into custody. They "are here illegally and wanted for questioning," the advisory says.
The advisory comes just over a month before the five-year anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks on the United States.
"This is of very serious concern and is being closely tracked," said Rep. Peter King (R-NY), Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee.
The FBI says the Egyptians arrived at John F. Kennedy Airport in New York on July 29 and disappeared. The advisory says the alert is nationwide but that there is specific concern the Egyptians may be on the Eastern Seaboard.
According to the advisory the 11 missing Egyptians are:
1. Ibrahim, El Sayed Ahmed Elsayed; DOB OF 4/29/1986.
2. El Dessouki, Eslam Ibrahim Mohamed; DOB OF 02/21/1985.
3. El Bahnasawi, Alaa Abd El Fattah Ali; DOB OF 04/02/1986.
4. Abd Alla, Mohamed Ragab Mohamed; DOB OF 02/15/1984.
5. El Laket, Ahmed Refaat Saad El Moghazi; DOB OF 09/01/1986.
6. El Ela, Ahmed Mohamed Mohamed Abou; DOB OF 02/02/1985.
7. El Moghazy, Mohamed Ibrahim Elsayed; DOB OF 08/08/1986.
8. Abdou, Ebrahim Mabrouk Moustafa; DOB OF 02/25/1984.
9. El Gafary, Moustafa Wagdy Moustafa; DOB OF 07/01/1988.
10.Maray, Mohamed Saleh Ahmed; DOB OF 09/12/1985.
11.El Shenawy, Mohamed Ibrahim Fouaad; DOB OF 08/12/1988.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/08/fbi_approach_mi.html
Just listening to Rush before lunch, he issued the advisory that if one happens to be looking for these guys, one should be careful
Just look for no soul in their eyes like Mohammad Atta. Satan is controlling their every move so just shoot first and ask questions later...Check flight schools and Big fuel Rig driving schools as the last place they will be is in college rooms. Come to think of it didn't Atta hit a few strip clubs the night before 9-11??
Why hasn't the MSM plastered their ugly mugs all over the USA? Will someone please WAKE up the Homeland Security or the FBI please.
We need to find out who the employee is letting in all these people and throw them in jail.
Posted by: freewoman at August 8, 2006 10:24 AM
You are asking for accountability, which left public servces long before George Tenet told Dubya "It is a slam dunk." and before Mike Brown left New Orleaneans to die. Remember Dubya told Mike "Great Job!" and a medal to George Tenet. The plain fact is public service is no more "public" service, if you can see it.
Yes, it is criminal for our own government to continue importing muslims from every radical Islamic nation in the world to attend our universities, like the ten thousand Saudis that Bush proudly announced would come to America to embrace our wonderful culture,
Posted by: Susanp at August 8, 2006 01:05 PM
Yes, such irresponsibility by public servents, is at the least, criminal, getting worse from there on. Given the way Dubya kisses Wahabi cheeks (I mean the frontal ones) and holds hands, one would think Dubya is a Saudi Amnassador to USA. But it does not end there. Remember, Dubya used his powers to cover-up for Saudi Arabia's role in 9/11, let Bin Ladens to safety and has sold his office to the businesses by way of illegal immmigrant labor. Not only is Dubya a crimninal, but a traitor.
Remembrering that fish starts to rot at the head, Dubya's corruption will cnd with the destruction of USA as we know it.
While Hugh’s opprobrium in some respects may be well deserved, Kj’s post does, in a way strike to the essence of Islam’s incompatibility with the West and specifically it’s incompatibility with America.
However, had it been I making the point, I would have approached it from the following perspective.
America was founded upon the idea that human beings, by their very nature, possess certain individual rights; that all human beings are born with an equal claim to those rights and the proper purpose of the government is to secure and protect those rights.
You should be aware that:
Many Americans eat pork. Some choose not to. If your religious or cultural mores prohibit it, you are free to follow your own mores. You are not entitled to force others to observe them.
Adults are free to choose whether they wish to drink beer, liquor, wine, or other alcoholic beverages. If your religious or cultural mores prohibit it, you are free to follow your own mores. You are not entitled to force others to observe them.
Women are allowed to dress in a sexually provocative manner. A man may choose to admire, approve, disapprove or ignore, and he is free to express his opinion accordingly. He may not rightfully attempt to force her to change her attire, or punish her for her choice. If this offends you, you may turn your head and avoid looking at her. You are not entitled to force your religious or moral prohibitions upon her.
An adult’s choice of sexual literature, orientation, or practice is a private matter, provided no minors are involved. If your religious or cultural mores are different, you are free to follow your own mores. You are not entitled to force others to observe them, nor are you entitled to involve minors in them.
Everyone is free to choose and practice one’s own religion, or to choose no religion at all. The degree to which one practices one’s own religion, whether often, seldom or not at all, is a personal choice. Everyone is free to attempt to convince others of the rightness of one’s own religion. No one may rightfully force anyone else to conform to his personal religious belief. Everyone has the right to discuss religion openly without fear of reprisal, even if the discussion is disrespectful of a given religion or of religion in general. If your religious or cultural mores are different, you are free to follow your own mores. You are not entitled to force others to observe them. Nor are you entitled to punish others for not respecting or observing your religious precepts.
One’s recreational choices are voluntary and personal. Provided no one is forced to participate and no individual or property is deliberately physically harmed in the process, the approval of others is not required. If your religious or cultural mores are different, you are free to follow your own mores. You are not entitled to force others to observe them.
Men and women have equal rights under the law. Neither is the property of the other. Each is free to live their lives as they choose. Each is free to express their approval or disapproval of the other. Each is free to express his own opinion. Neither has the right to force the other to accept, or obey them. If your religious or cultural mores can not accept this, you are free to live elsewhere. You are not entitled to force your religious or moral prohibitions upon the rest of us.
Among the most jealously guarded of our individual rights is the right to free inquiry. The progress of mankind from the primitive tribal culture of the 7th century to this day can be attributed to the uninhibited inquiry of man’s mind. No topic can be “off limits.” Science is the discovery of reality through the rigorous, disciplined application of the free mind. If your cultural or religious beliefs cannot accept this, you may choose not to listen, but you may not rightfully prevent the discussion of ANY topic among adults, even if the topic offends you.
This country was founded on the concept of individual liberty, the right of each individual to do with one’s life that which one chooses, free from interference from others. If you can accept this premise willingly, you are welcome. If not, why are you here?
Infidel Pride wrote:
Just listening to Rush before lunch, he issued the advisory that if one happens to be looking for these guys, one should be careful
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* Not to look for anybody with the name 'Mohammed', although 6 of the above list are so named...
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That's right! one guy, Ahmed Mohamed Mohamed Abou El Ela, liked the name "Mohamed" so much that he had to use it twice!
Nomoors --
That's more like it.
Where are the pictures of these men? Why arent they being shown on all the news shows every 10 minutes until people turn them in like America's Most Wanted?
what we have here is an offensive football team which came here to defend tackling any infidel they want, kick any pregant woman, sack any tot, recover every schoolgirl's head, score extra points for jewish blood, cheer every handoff, spike everybody's balls, blow everyone's whistle,go deep and deeper, call interference, charge goals, charge passers, double and triple reverses, milk our fumbles, headbutt our safeties,quarter and halve us without overtime, outnumber us, clear our stands, benches, lockers declare our fields their turf, chanting al......li, al......li........al.......li.that's enough! when will this folly stop? maybe we should start calling our national government team Follywood. the ellies vs the asses. challenged by egyptian butchers.
I have lived in many countries. I consider myself an 'internationalist'. I do not believe in any religion currently known to mankind. I am not an atheist. It is obvious to even the most casual observer that all the various radical muslim entities suffer from mass religious hysteria of the most murderous type.
At the end of a recent sermon, the crowd yelled this;
Crowd: "Allah Akbar.
Allah Akbar.
"Allah Akbar.
"Khamenei is the leader.
"Death to those who oppose the rule of the jurisprudent.
"Death to America.
"Death to England.
"Death to the hypocrites [Mojahedin-e Khalq] and Saddam.
"Death to Israel."
I therefore insist that all non-american born muslims leave the USA and that our Government ban all muslims from entering our country.