Another kind of useful idiot. From the Toronto Star, with thanks to Scaramouche:
NEW DELHI—When Indian soldiers gunned down Hindu Uttam Singh, along with three Muslim militants in a border district of Indian-administered Kashmir Doda in August last year, the 23 year old was described by the army as a conscript in the ranks of the mujahedeen.Security forces in Kashmir have insisted such militants fight an Islamic struggle that a Hindu could never support.
But the killing yesterday of another Hindu militant rebel leader lends weight to a growing theory that at least some minority Hindus in Kashmir willingly support the jihad of its Islamic extremists.
The two deaths, plus the arrest of at least three other Hindu militants this summer, are also raising doubts about the government assertion that Kashmir's bloody insurgency is being fought simply in the interests of Islamic militancy.
Acting on a tip, Indian forces trapped two jihadists in Khilandi village in the Indian border district of Doda and killed them yesterday.
After the night-long gun-battle by a team of army and police commandos, it became clear both dead men belonged to the largest rebel group, Hizbul Mujahedeen, but that one — Kuldeep Sharma, 25 — was Hindu.
Eight years ago, police said, school dropout Kuldeep crossed into Pakistan, where he was trained in arms and explosives. Two years later, with the Muslim nom de guerre Kamraan (Success), he returned to India-controlled Jammu and Kashmir, where he was made a deputy commander of Hizbul Mujahedeen, which fights for all of Kashmir's inclusion in neighbouring Pakistan.
Read it all.
Pathetic, but not altogether surprizing. The conquest of Spain, and subsequent 700+ years of Islamic oppression there was facilitated largely by a disaffected Christian bishop. Given the behaviour of the religionofpeacebots at the National Cathedral, its clear that there are still plenty of these "useful idiots" around. I'd say its up to their coreligionists who know better to try to clue them in. Failing that, hit them where it really hurts - in the collection plate.
Kuldeep Sharma, 25 — was Hindu.
Good thing the traitor Hindu was shot!
....being a Hindu, he was a traitor and hence, far more dangerous than the terrorists themselves.
1. Kuldeep Sharma & Uttam Singh may have converted to Islam. Converts are often the most fanatical adherents to what they see as the purest form of their new religion and the most hate-filled toward the religion of their heritage. Just look at Dougie Hooper.
I wonder if the Indians checked to see if Sharma and Singh had been circumcized after joining the Islamists. Even if not, it wouldn't prove they had not converted because the Islamists would find someone who could pass for "Hindu" to be useful.
2. It could be a case of "Patty Hearst Syndrome" where a captured individuasl begins to identify with their captors and transformed themselves into the most loyal of devotees.
3. These are dissafected individuals looking for the most militant and violent ways to strike back at their former society which they believe has failed them. In Kashmir they join the Hizbul Mujahedeen. In other parts of India they might have become Naxalites.
Security forces in Kashmir have insisted such militants fight an Islamic struggle that a Hindu could never support.
Someone must go and tell these idiots at Toronto Star that these Jehadis are fighting for "Nizam-e-Mustafa" (Rule of Shariat) in Kashmir and eventually entire India. Till date over 38-37000 jehadis have been killed by Indian armed forces in Kashmir in 17 years. It doesnt matter if 5-10 of these happen to be Hindus. They might have been fugitive criminals on the run from police. Jehadis are the logical allies when you are on the run...
Lastly i object to the use of word "rebel". Dont they realise it was the same people behind the airline plot and 7/7.
With a name like Uttam Singh, I thought he would have been a Sikh.
I'm sure the Indians here will yell and scream, but to me, this is just more proof that Kashmiris (of whichever faith) just are not happy under the Indian dispensation. Yep, the jehadis are having a good time of this, but the disaffectation with the Indians seems genuine regardless of faith. I don't count this one as something the West should support India on. Human rights and self-rule for Kashmir should be our foremost goal. And I suspect our administration knows this, and are working quietly to make it happen. The Indians may now pile on here :).
He could have been a convert to islam who did not publicly change his name, thus lending the impression that he was not a muslim and supported the islamic cause. He had adopted a muslim nom de guerre, something he would not likely have done if he had not converted to islam. Also consider the fact that the training camp would not have taken in a non-muslim. Another school dropout who went to Pakiland for guerilla training from the Religion Of Peace.... Why am I not surprised?
"I don't count this one as something the West should support India on. Human rights and self-rule for Kashmir should be our foremost goal"
Posted by kufr
Maybe so, but at this point it seems to me that an alliance with Jihadists is always a very dangerous thing - at the least. They could be holding a tiger by the tail here.
Interested in whether you see any risks and how they should they manage them.
"...Human rights and self-rule for Kashmir should be our foremost goal"
Kufr, if Kashmir is allowed to cecede from India as Pakistan did, there will be NO human rights for the people of Kashmir who are not muslims, only repression, discrimination and dhimmitude. Look at how Christians and Hindus are treated in Pakistan. Beatings, intimidation, murder, rape, homes, churches and temples burned, bombed and destroyed. We see the same thing happening in Kashmir now from the practitioners of the "religion of peace". If the West is not willing to get involved and defend these people, then God help us on Judgement Day.
"...Human rights and self-rule for Kashmir should be our foremost goal"
Once again in areas that western europeans have no knowledge of the west supports the jihadist. Be it kosovo, cyprus, armenian, or india thre are too many people here who support the muslims. These people may be a few but it is too many. I think there are always traitors in our society, be they self loathing leftists or converts and these people are far more dangerous than the actual muslims. But let us not jump to conclusions. One the majority of hindus know the enemy better than most of us here. And two the problem in kashmir is not indian rule it is the lack of it.
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Well said - 'traitor', rather than 'useful idiot', is a better description of these MF's. I am curious as to whether these 'hindu' jihadists were abducted by the HM and forced to join them. Regardless, even if that had been the case, they could have turned on their bosses. The fact that they chose not to do so earns them their deaths - richly deserved. I do hope that every infidel collaborator gets sent to Allah by the Indian security forces.
Bohemond & Templar
The number of Hindus who have participated in these operations is probably not even in double figures. In the meantime, there are some thousands of Kashmiri hindu refugees settled elsewhere in India and abroad, who have left Kashmir for good. They are resentful about India, namely, the fact that India hasn't done squat in forcing a situation in Kashmir where they can return. They are not resentful about India not granting Kashmir its independence - something that non-Muslim groups in Kashmir have never supported.
To find out more about Kashmiri Hindus and what they think, check out this site on Panun Kashmir, which is also one of the sites listed on the Jihadwatch home page, under the Links section.
It would have been far better had our British cousins remained in overall control, and not left in the late 1940s. But that line of thought is profitless.
I'm not for any self-determination movement within Kashmir. Such movements only lend further mystique to the "guerrilla." And that is not a healthy development. Moreover, it's impossible to distinguish that movement from the jihadists. So to grant Kashmir self-determination is to effectively concede yet another victory to our satanic enemies.
So no dice.
Let India impose it's will upon Kashmir.
I'm sure the Indians here will yell and scream, but to me, this is just more proof that Kashmiris (of whichever faith) just are not happy under the Indian dispensation. Yep, the jehadis are having a good time of this, but the disaffectation with the Indians seems genuine regardless of faith.
You dont get the picture do you. Dont post your gross generalisations unless you know anything about the topic. Kashmiris are culturally similar to other North Indian cultures. The only reason they dont want to be in India is coz they want Shariat.
It'd be illogical for Hindus and Sikhs to support jehadis given that jehadis have ethnically cleased Kashmir valley of over 600000 Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus).
@spirit of 1683: Singh is a North Indian upper caste name. It is generally a middle name rather than a last name. The first name Uttam doesnt sound Punjabi (All Sikhs are Punjabis, but there are Hindu and Muslim Punjabis too) to me... Sharma on other hand is a pucca Hindu Brahmin last name.
Bingo, give the man a solid gold bar.
To say that Kuldeep Sharma and Uttam Singh were Hindu's (or Sikh's) is akin to saying that Jose Padilla, Johnny bin Walker, Adam Gadahn and Todd Royer are Catholics.. Were Catholics yes, but Catholics no more.. Muslims they are.
Cat Stevens' bio:
In case you guys don't get it, all of these converts and conversions to Islam have their origins in "morality". Harsh, prudish Augustinian morality..
I've read St Augustine's "Confessions" and it could have been written by a Muslim.
How many atheists and secularists have voluntarily converted to Islam? Let me venture a guess: Goose egg, zero, nada, nil.
Singh is originally a Hindu Rajput name which was adopted by the Sikhs on the day of Baisakhi in 1699. Before 1699, no Sikhs used the name Singh, thus all Sikhs use Singh but not all Singhs are Sikh. (For reference you can refer to Dr. G. Singh's A History of the Sikh People).
Singh is a middle name as Vikrant pointed out but not necessarily an upper caste name anymore since it is very commonly used by just about anyone these days. Thus you can find Rajputs, Gurkhas, Dogras, Sikhs, Jats and even lower castes all using the name in North India.
The common thread historically is that anyone with the name Singh must have fought or defied the Muslims at some point of India's history.
So what do we have hear? Well they are just plain and simple traitors, perhaps misguided, really doesn't matter, because in the end they are just plain old terrorists. Small in number, this is encouraging.
Most of Kashmir land wise is Ladakh which is Buddhist (80%), then there is Jammu (10%); this alone comprises 90% of Kashmir's land which does not want to separate from India. It is Kashmir Valley/Panun Kashmir which is having the problems because of the Islamic majority there.
Anyways, it just stinks, these traitors remind me of Kala Pahar and Malik Kafur from India's history, two very famous converts to Islam who did unthinkable atrocities against their original communities. There are enough Hindus in India who are still willing to give them a good fight.
Jai Hind.
-Ayo Gorkhali
Nariz,
You are DEAD WRONG on this one. Almost ALL of the Islamic militants who are of Russian or Ukrainian origin were once dedicated Communist Party members and confirmed athiests. Now that Marxist atheism has shown itself false, they have sough out another totalitarian ideology in militant Islam.
Just proof that the old adage is true:
Those who believe in nothing will fall for anything.
"'m sure the Indians here will yell and scream, but to me, this is just more proof that Kashmiris (of whichever faith) just are not happy under the Indian dispensation. Yep, the jehadis are having a good time of this, but the disaffectation with the Indians seems genuine regardless of faith. I don't count this one as something the West should support India on. Human rights and self-rule for Kashmir should be our foremost goal. And I suspect our administration knows this, and are working quietly to make it happen. The Indians may now pile on here :).
Posted by: kufr [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 26, 2006 03:35 PM"
Yeah, sure. Once the Muslims in Kashmir (why should the Pandits who fled or the Ladakhi Budhists count, right?) vote for the Land of the Pure, then we can all relax and look forward to the ethnic cleansing of any remainder of Hinduism or Budhism in Kashmir.
Try getting the support of all of the West; but India has held firm so far on the Kashmir issue. It is in the interests of people in US and Europe to consider India an ally.
kufr, do you honestly think that India, the only secular and democratic country in the area is a bigger threat to minorities compared to Pakistan, Bangladesh, China or even Nepal with its problems with Maoists? I dont want to call you ignorant, so I will wait for your answer
Kufr dear, read this.
http://www.kashmir-information.com/ConvertedKashmir/index.html
Kashmir was 100% hindu , ethnically cleansed for centuries and now is 99% moslem.
Kashmir is Indian and will remain Indian - with or without US support.
"The common thread historically is that anyone with the name Singh must have fought or defied the Muslims at some point of India's history."
Posted by: Gorkhali
Absolutely correct. Good to see you here Gorkhali.
Jai Hind
"The common thread historically is that anyone with the name Singh must have fought or defied the Muslims at some point of India's history."
Posted by: Gorkhali
"Absolutely correct. Good to see you here Gorkhali."
Jai Hind
Yes, thank you Gorkhali. Mine is a Jat family that hails from the Holy City of Mathura. We have Singh in our middle name and you have given me reason to be proud.
Jai Hind
To all our friends from India, may God be with you and your fellow countrymen in your struggle against the muslim terrorists.
(Is "muslim terrorist" an oxymoron?)