Jihadism and genocidal Jew-hatred expressed openly in Montreal. "Hezbollah’s violent ideology hits Montreal streets," by Peter Subissati at Judeoscope, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
...Onlookers such as myself were taken aback by odious chants directed at Israel, the United States and the Harper administration. Supporters of Hezbollah, which has been designated a terrorist group by the federal government since 2002, branded pictures of their spiritual leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, as well as a surprising number of the group’s infamous yellow flag that depicts a hand clasping a Kalashnikov machine gun. Meanwhile some of the protesters hoisted other posters that showed the mangled corpses of Lebanese civilian victims under the banner “made by Israel”, while others wearing kaffiyehs displayed a large Israeli flag that was defaced with a swastika painted over the Star of David.After having heard countless cries of “death to Israel”, “vive le Hezbollah” and once in Arabic “death to the Jews”, I addressed some of the protesters by shouting back “am Yisrael chai” (the people of Israel live) and “shalom aleichem” (peace to all). The incident then turned violent when a fanatic ran up to me suddenly, punching and strangling me quickly as I fell onto a parked car on Ste. Catherine St. As the attacker was restrained and ushered away I then yelled “Are you crazy? This is Canada, so act civilized like everyone else watching you.” The unknown assailant was then reintroduced by protest-organizers into the crowd to avoid detection by the numerous members of the media and policemen who had witnessed the assault. Other disgruntled anti-Israel protesters then attempted to enter my place of work where I sought refuge yelling “Jewish pig” and “down, down Israel” as police and bystanders sealed the entrance briefly, preventing the mob from breaking the storefront.
There is video at the Judeoscope link.
oh Canada is waking up, little by little, we see the religion of profeesed peace and death cult up front and in your face, not a pretty sight, wake Canadians, this is one Canadian that is awake and ready to fight.
Why are we allowing terrorists to protest and riot in our streets? Where were the police? They should have been arrested and deported.
As tensions have risen significantly over the last few weeks between Hizb'Allah terrorists in Lebanon and Israel, many Montrealers, myself included, have grown accustomed to the spontaneous anti-Israel rallies that have taken place along the main thoroughfares in downtown Montreal.
These Shia demonstrations are a form of the Muslim "call to prayer". The whole march and incident is designed to extend the sphere of Muslim influence in Montreal. To make others fear the ummah. The police should be arresting and busting heads here.
This is not the most surprising development. Quebec had more than its share of fascists and fascist sympathizers among the "right nationalists" in the past, and on the "left nationalist" side, there is a "natural" attraction between those who like to identify themselves as "victims". A Jewish school's library was firebombed a couple of years ago by some Muslims and, of course, there was the outrageous acts of violence at Concordia to prevent former Israeli P.M. Benjamin Netanyahu from speaking there.
And the prospects for the future are bleak. Montreal is home to a fair number of Moroccan and Ethiopean Jews, but they are vastly outnumbered by Muslims.
These are the type of lunatics that will kill. These are the types of protests and protestors that should be banned. Bands of thugs marching down the street will turn violent and people will die.
I say again, Deport those who express violence and a willingness to kill and be killed.
Institute an immediate immigration ban on Muslims.
Islam is to be considered a death cult and people should be treating it as such.
There seem to have been several similiar incidents reported at LGF. I'm sure Gandhi would be proud of this modern day peace movement.
Ah yes the religion of peace strikes again.
I took part of many demonstrations in Montréal and I am very proud to have done so. We demonstrated to denounce what the Zionists are doing to their closest neighbors. Just like many Muslims, I have no problems with Jews but I do have a fundamental opposition to the Zionists and their so-called state of Israel. A state that discriminates its citizens according to their race and religion. What we have done in Montréal is a step forward towards a real holy land where people of all races and faiths live respectfully and peacefully side by side. BRAVO MONREAL!!!!!!.
Hizb'Allah (a.k.a sharia franchise #359621) in Canada once again shows why we must treat a significant element of Islam as organized crime. The "significant element" are the many Muslims who support these violent protests, or who support sharia law. Anyone who supports sharia law, given the contents of sharia law, is by definition a member of a criminal organization and who is at the very least guilty of treason and should be either imprisoned or deported.
And for those who are reflecting on the people we evacuated from Lebanon over the past few weeks, just keep in mind that many of them are Muslims who are pro-Hizb'Allah. They waited in line, complained loudly about the ships we paid for, and protested loudly and violently about our government as soon as they returned. We are paying to import terrorists and terrorist-supporters who engage in violent protests. No society in its right mind would pay to import criminals and terrorists. This is sick, and it must be reversed, ASAP.
Jihed,
I see you are trying to polish your statements, but your criminal intents are revealed in your last sentence.
--jihedIn other words, you are justify the use of violence against Canadians on Canadian soil ("what we have done in Montreal"), and you are implying that Israel must be replaced by an Islamic state. Your idea of people "living respectfully and peacefully side-by-side" is just code/taqiyya for "everyone living under Islamic law".
You and your Hizb'Allah heroes advocate the use of women and children as shields. You view them and their lives as pawns. You view them as worthless, expendable. You deliberately make attacks on Israel, Knowing that they have no choice but to respond to stop the rockets, and knowing that you are positioned in civilian areas. You and your heroes dress as civilians, store your ammunition in civilian buildings, and position your rocket-launchers as close as possible to civilian buildings. You want the maximum number of Lebanese civilains to be killed so that you can influence the public and international opinion of those who only have a passing familiarity with the Middle East conflict. In short, you are a member of a criminal organization dedicated to not only the destruction of Israel but also of Canada.
"[you] position your rocket-launchers as close as possible to civilian buildings."
...and in and on civilian buildings.
This is really sickening. WE need hate laws on the books in the USA (I believe that Canada already has hate laws, or?) and then throw the muslim lawbreakers in jail. I cannot control what a person thinks, but I can curtail his actions, esp. when he is wanton to harm others. God, the whole world is doing moral headstands!!!
"Just like many Muslims, I have no problems with Jews" --jihed.
What does this nut-job take us for? Some Muslims have no problem with Jews, but they are in a very small minority. One can argue about what % of Muslims are or are not moderate, but most Muslims are certainly not moderate in the perpetual enmity against the Jews. Allah and Mohammad are certainly not moderate about the Jews:
1:1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
1:2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
1:3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
1:4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)
1:5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).
1:6. Guide us to the Straight Way
1:7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).
The above parenthetical insertions are in Hilali-Khan.
Tafsir of Sura 1, excerpt:
http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=21Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 19, Number 2996:
Narrated Muhayyisah: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: If you gain a victory over the men of Jews, kill them. So Muhayyisah jumped over Shubaybah, a man of the Jewish merchants. He had close relations with them. He then killed him. At that time Huwayyisah (brother of Muhayyisah) had not embraced Islam. He was older than Muhayyisah. When he killed him, Huwayyisah beat him and said: O enemy of Allah, I swear by Allah, you have a good deal of fat in your belly from his property.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369: This describes the killing of Ka’b bin al-Ashraf, a Jewish poet.
Ishaq:368 “Ka’b’s body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad’s order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Travelling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet.”
Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:368 “We carried Ka’b’s head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah’s enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.’”
Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”
Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 53, Number 388:
Narrated Juwairiya bin Qudama At-Tamimi:
We said to 'Umar bin Al-Khattab, …Chief of the believers! Advise us." He said, "I advise you to fulfill Allah's Convention (made with the Dhimmis) as it is the convention of your Prophet and the source of the livelihood of your dependents (i.e. the taxes from the Dhimmis.) " (parentheses in M. Muhsin Khan’s translation)
Christians and Jews who fail to convert to Islam: 9:29: “Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by his messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay tribute readily, being brought low...”
5:51 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177.
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4366: Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:"Umar heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: 'I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims.'"
Chapter 20: EVACUATION OF THE JEWS FROM THE HIJAZ
Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4363:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira who said: We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qasim, you have communicated (God's Message to us). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this (i. e. you should admit that God's Message has been communicated to you), accept Islam and you would be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qisim, you have communicated (Allah's Message). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this... - He said to them (the same words) the third time (and on getting the same reply) he added: You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land. Those of you who have any property with them should sell it, otherwise they should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (and they may have to go away leaving everything behind).
Sahih Muslim, Book 019, Number 4364:
It has been narrated on the authority of Ibn Umar that the Jews of Banu Nadir and Banu Quraizi fought against the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) who expelled Banu Nadir, and allowed Quraiza to stay on, and granted favour to them until they too fought against him Then he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) turned out all the Jews of Medina. Banu Qainuqa' (the tribe of 'Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina.
Ishaq:510 “When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, and what into error they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”
Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4437:
It has been narrated on the authority of Anas that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) raided Khaibar. One morning we offered prayers in the darkness of early dawn (near Khaibar). Then the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) mounted (his horse). Abu Talha mounted his and I mounted behind Abu Talha on the same horse. The Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him) rode through the streets of Khaibar and (I rode so close to him) that my knee touched the thigh of the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him). The wrapper got aside from his thigh, and I could see its whiteness. When he entered the town, he said: God is Great. Khaibar shall face destruction. When we descend in the city-square of a people, it is a bad day for them who have been warned (and have not taken heed). He said these words thrice. The people of the town had just come out from (their houses) to go about their jobs. They said (in surprise): Muhammad has come. We captured Khaibar by force.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717: Narrated Ibn Aun: I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "…I have been made victorious with terror”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Ishaq:204 ‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man?’ ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.’
Ishaq:326. If you come upon them (infidels), deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.
Ishaq:530 "Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads and make enemies of friends."
Ishaq:576 “Allah and His servant overwhelmed every coward. Allah honored us and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. Allah humiliated them in the worship of Satan. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil.
Jihed has full permission from his prophet to lie to the non-Muslims for the purposes of furthering the cause of Islam:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 269:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "War is deceit."
Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 14, Number 2498: Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Use your property, your persons, and your tongues in striving against the polytheists.
Note: To obey Mohammad is to obey Allah (Koran, 4:80).
This is good example of why Haq should be prosecuted by the US Justice Dept (besides the prosecution in Seattle)for violating the civil rights of the people at the Jewish Center in Seattle. The case for that is much stronger than the Rodney King case since Haq's behavior-his murderous rampage-was because his victims are Jewish. People like Haq (or these sick bastards in Montreal) have to be legally treated in a very hard way. Otherwise, this kind of behavior is encouraged.
It's not compassion to go easy on such people. It's not ok to violate the civil rights of anyone because they are a majority, a minority, or for any other reason. It's not ok. The full weight of the law has to hammer such people from every direction.
This is good example of why Haq should be prosecuted by the US Justice Dept (besides the prosecution in Seattle)for violating the civil rights of the people at the Jewish Center in Seattle. The case for that is much stronger than the Rodney King case since Haq's behavior-his murderous rampage-was because his victims are Jewish. People like Haq (or these sick bastards in Montreal) have to be legally treated in a very hard way. Otherwise, this kind of behavior is encouraged.
It's not compassion to go easy on such people. It's not ok to violate the civil rights of anyone because they are a majority, a minority, or for any other reason. It's not ok. The full weight of the law has to hammer such people from every direction.
Of course Moslems will angry if you shout PEACE to them. In every Moslem protest all over the world, they never shout PEACE. DEATH is just the only word that they always shout in every protest.
And still the government says that Islam is the religion of PEACE.
May God help us.
"No society in its right mind would pay to import criminals and terrorists. This is sick, and it must be reversed, ASAP." -- Archimedes
My response is simple: our society is not in its right mind.
Only microscopic pockets, or cells, of our society (such as this tiny subpopulation of Jihad Watchers) are of a right mind.
It's going to get much, much worse before our society rallies itself out of its disease.
The good news, I believe, is that our society has a bedrock of health and strength beneath the disease. But tapping into that bedrock in order to shake off the disease will not be hastened by the unrealistic wishful thinking characteristic of Jihad Watchers who are obsessed by "elites" -- as though only a tiny population of elites are the problem of dhimmitude. The situation is the precise reverse. The non-dhimmis are the tiny subpopulation, and the elites are the natural expression of the society at large, and are more or less nourished and aided & abeted by it.
"The non-dhimmis are the tiny subpopulation, and the elites are the natural expression of the society at large, and are more or less nourished and aided & abeted by it." - Archimedes
This is only partly correct, IMHO. The elites know something that the kneejerk dhimmis do not about strategic interests, about the risks of incurring the wrath of oil producing countries, about the risk of all-out social turmoil if the enemy was named by the top, and thus being made into a legitimate target, and about the risks involved if their country came under scrutiny by UN watchdogs and other international organizations, with the international stigmatizing that might be the consequence.
The elites are probably very, very aware of the role they play in keeping the lid on a number of conflicts that might blow up in their face at the smallest of events - e.g. cartoons. Intelligence cannot solve the underlying issues - immigration, breeding - leading to increased conflict with Islam. Hence their role is putting their proverbial fingers in an ever increasing number of holes in the dike. For this reason, I wouldn't be surprised if counter-jihadists such as us writing in the blogosphere or people making their opposition to Submission known in other ways are considered security risks by the intelligence services on a level with the islamists.
Sorry, wrong attribution of the quote: the honour goes, of course, to Television.
"The elites know something that the kneejerk dhimmis do not about strategic interests..."
First, I'd respond by saying the kind of elites you characterize here are the cream of the elites, a minority (but, of course, a minority with the most influence) of the overall elite population.
Secondly, what this cream of elites "know" about all those strategic interests you aptly adumbrate is, unfortunately, encased within a larger paradigm of relative ignorance and Islamic illiteracy; and this paradigm is furthermore wrapped in the enigma of PC multiculturalism.
This paradigm and this enigma are not at all exclusive to this cream of elites, nor even to elites in general. On the contrary, to restate my previous contention: this paradigm and this enigma are shared by the Society -- our Society -- out of which the elites and their cream have risen. And that is a problem broader and deeper, ultimately, than the problem of the strategic horse-blindered knowledge of the cream of elites.
anti-uffe: "remote_control" is my other nickname.
-- Television
A state that discriminates its citizens according to their race and religion.
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Posted by: Jihed at August 3, 2006 09:27 AM
Um... ...Jihed, Might you be talking about the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in particular, which places all sorts of constraints on non-Muslims. What about Islam in general, which relegates non-Muslims to various degrees of survility, if it allows them to live at all?
The fact of the matter is that all faiths are practiced freely within Israel's borders and it grants citizenship to non-Jews. The only group it "discriminates" against are those who would maim or murder its citizens and that's not discrimination. It's a matter of self-preservation.
How about applying an objective measure to the status underwhich Muslims live in the Middle East. According to a recent UN report, up until the second "Intifada", Arabs living in Israel and the PA enjoyed a standard of living that was twice that of Saudi Arabia's and Iran's.
Checkpoints and other "humiliations", are the result of suicide bombing, etc., not the cause of it.
So glory if you will in your proud "achievement". The sad fact is that the "Palestinians" have been the distraction of choice for Middle Eastern despots to continue hording wealth and operating oppressive police states. You may have company, but it's pretty lousy company.
I admit this does sound like the all-embracing paradigm that underlies our dilemma, but (and I am a babe in the woods trying to comprehend this), does this not lead to a chicken-and-egg paradox, as if this paradigm 'just happened', and came down from the skies on the buraq or something? On a practical level, and more importantly, where should the Gordic knot be untied, then? My own 2c: sadly, only great disaster can shake us out of it, as I see it. And please, the next time let another country than Denmark be at the centre of events, or it might just be used to divert attention from the real malaise (those pesky xenophobes are at it again); disaster will come to us all during this century, one way or the other.
"I admit this does sound like the all-embracing paradigm that underlies our dilemma, but ...does this not lead to a chicken-and-egg paradox, as if this paradigm 'just happened', and came down from the skies on the buraq or something?"
That's why I also said that this paradigm is "wrapped in the enigma of PC multiculturalism". Why the West has developed some of its key strengths (tolerance, understanding, compassion) into gargantuan pustules of robustly pathological disease is probably ultimately a mystery -- though the fact this has occurred seems evident all around us. Certain mechanisms of this mystery can be analyzed, but I don't think the root of it can be explained -- other than to say that sometimes good people (and good cultures) make mistakes and can get into repeating patterns or syndromes of mistaken habits of thought. The enigma of the modern West enthralled by PC multiculturalism can be phrased in the nutshell that it is good things taken to pathological excess.
"On a practical level, and more importantly, where should the Gordic knot be untied, then? My own 2c: sadly, only great disaster can shake us out of it, as I see it."
It is unlikely that the West will rally itself out of its enigma apart from several cataclysmic attacks by Muslims incurring thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions of deaths, occurring in several different locations in a relatively short span of time. The effects of this would also be facilitated by the spectacle of masses of Muslims participating in various forms of running amok within Western societies (though the Paris riots show how that by itself is not sufficient to wake people up -- it would therefore have to occur in various different Western locales and sufficiently disruptively to make Western people go *boing!*).
If the problem were only one of "elites" -- and not also of millions and millions of ordinary people who for the most part share the same worldview as those elites -- , the future would look a lot rosier.
I don't see how obstinately asserting to the contrary -- without a shred of evidence -- is going to help our mission as jihad watchers.
Jihed: You criticize Israel for being a country that discriminates against its citizens based on religion. News flash. So do all the Islamic countries surrounding it. (Except for the ones, like Saudia Arabia, who don't allow non-Muslims to be citizens.)
My advice to you: if you didn't know that, go study your own culture and religion and decide if you deserve them any loyalty. Humans are free to slough off their identities and adopt new ones at any time. If you did know that, please to leave North American and grace the Middle East with your presence, instead.
"Certain mechanisms of this mystery can be analyzed, but I don't think the root of it can be explained -- other than to say that sometimes good people (and good cultures) make mistakes and can get into repeating patterns or syndromes of mistaken habits of thought. The enigma of the modern West enthralled by PC multiculturalism can be phrased in the nutshell that it is good things taken to pathological excess." - remote_control/Television
What theory can account for these "Certain mechanisms"? Memes? Population biology? Social psychology? The enigma you talk about, doesn't this also apply to Islam itself? What fascinates me (and this would be in a positive sense if it were something in the past, now it "fascinates" me because it is about the world into which I will grow old) is that these probably not particularly unique circumstances surrounding an unlikable character 1400 years ago and his violent exploits can ring a resonant bell in millions today; that people can go to so ludicrous extremes because of some friggin' cartoons in a paper on the other side of the world that they will kill because of this. My banal point is that these historical circumstances must have matched a predisposition in the human brain that was already there.
More questions than answers. Lately I have come to realize that this is something with which the rest of my life will be occupied. There is no set of circumstances, short of Kingdom Come, that will make it go away, much less solve it in a good way in my time. I hate this brain disease called Submission. I spit on Mo's grave.
"The effects of this would also be facilitated by the spectacle of masses of Muslims participating in various forms of running amok within Western societies (though the Paris riots show how that by itself is not sufficient to wake people up -- it would therefore have to occur in various different Western locales and sufficiently disruptively to make Western people go *boing!*)."
Chechnya x 1,000,000. The Leb on steroids. I myself believe that any strategy to wake up our compatriots must involve instilling doubt in their minds about the future they leave to their children: do you really feel comfortable having your children and grandchildren grow up in a fragmented society not held together by shared values? Is it all just down to "dialogue," and your children won't have to fear society falling apart in civil war? That personal angle could probably have some people question their unfounded PC myths.
Jihed the government knows where you live, you will be rounded up faster than you can say mohummad ham and eggs for breakfast. montreal incident has waken up many people, keep it up, your days are numbered.
Has the marriage turned sour already? It held so much promise.
After having heard countless cries of “death to Israel”, “vive le Hezbollah” and once in Arabic “death to the Jews”, I addressed some of the protesters by shouting back “am Yisrael chai” (the people of Israel live) and “shalom aleichem” (peace to all).
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Robert, you are a brave man. I am not the only person who has noticed that you responded to violent chants with some very peaceful ones of your own. I also notice that this did not keep you safe from the violent crowd. I'm glad you are OK now.
In San Francisco a couple of week ago there were three simultaneous demonstrations outside the Israeli Consolate. (This was before the main focus shifted to Lebanon after the killing and abduction of Israeli soldiers by Hizb'allah.) There was a pro-Israel group, an anti-Israel group led by Jewish "peace activists", and a pro-Palestinian group.
The pro-Israel group was quiet and respectful, and waved Israeli and American flags. The anti-Israel group was noisy and moronic but essentially non-threatening.
The pro-Palestinian group, however, had to be held back behind barricades, which the crowd threatened to climb over. They waved huge Palestinian flags with "Free Palestine" and huge, red severed fists dripping blood. I had never seen these flags before. They threatened the police and the pro-Israel demonstrators, and screamed "Death to Israel!" and "Death to America!".
I found the behavior of these groups very telling, and yet while the violent mein of the pro-Palestinian group was noted by journalists, no one seemed to draw any conclusions. I guess they are so used to it by now that it gets no real comment unless there is a full-scale riot.