Good thing that August 22 business turned out to be nonsense, eh? August 1939 Alert from the Jerusalem Post, with thanks to Lenny:
A senior official in Teheran said Wednesday that in the next few days, a "surprise" was expected regarding Iran's nuclear program, Al-Jazeera reported.Teheran's apparent refusal to suspend uranium enrichment set the stage for a showdown at the UN Security Council later this month.
The United States said Wednesday that a proposal by Iran for nuclear negotiations falls short of UN demands for a halt to enrichment, and began plotting "next moves" with other governments.
Diplomats from Europe, the US, Russia and China pored over details of Iran's counterproposal Wednesday, a day after Teheran presented it.
Initial comments from Russia and China, however, made clear that the US is likely to face difficulty getting at least those nations to agree to any tough sanctions against Iran.
The fools.
The Iranian nuclear surprise is more like an anticipated event.
Iran needs a "surprise" from the civilized world.
A surprise ?
I am delighted !
How thoughtful of them !
In a few days it will be my birthday and I would be so happy to celebrate with a giant iran-cake smoldering in thirty or forty places !
/I am not crazy, I think the islamofascists have not really understood a thing,/b> about America.
FROM THE JERUSALEM POST, today, August 24th, 2006:
Israel is carefully watching the world's reaction to Iran's continued refusal to suspend uranium enrichment, with some high-level officials arguing it is now clear that when it comes to stopping Iran, Israel "may have to go it alone," The Jerusalem Post has learned.
One senior source said on Tuesday that Iran "flipped the world the bird" by not responding positively to the Western incentive plan to stop uranium enrichment. He expressed frustration that the Russians and Chinese were already saying that Iran's offer of a "new formula" and willingness to enter "serious negotiations" was an opening to keep on talking.
"The Iranians know the world will do nothing," he said. "This is similar to the world's attempts to appease Hitler in the 1930s - they are trying to feed the beast."
He said there was a need to understand that "when push comes to shove," Israel would have to be prepared to "slow down" the Iranian nuclear threat by itself.
Having said this, he did not rule out the possibility of US military action, but said that if this were to take place, it would probably not occur until the spring or summer of 2008...
I would bet the nuclear surprise is a nuclear weapons test, probably underground. What a revolting development, yet one that should surprise no one given the World's lack of resolve to get Iran to suspend the program. And those Chineese and Russian fools are showing their true colors.
The Russians may face the same threat as the rest of the Non-Muslim world, yet it's clear they are willing to expoit Jihad for their own benefit. They are not our allies.
Today Japan is reporting that north Korea may test a nuke...Yesterday Hugo Chavez made a big oil deal with China...Now Iran is about to tell us they are beyond the point of no return...I know lets all yell "FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH"...." WE GOT THEM ON THE RUN".....Feel better?...okay bury head in sand.....SLEEP.
I hope their surprise is an underground test. Then, since Iran suffers from earthquakes every now and then that seems to wipe out entire towns and villages, wouldn’t it be nice if the blast creates a hole where Iran used to be?
Ahh …what a nice, happy surprise it would be if they just wiped themselves out without us having to lift a finger in order to do so!
I bet that would be a nice gift to you, wouldn’t it, Poitiers?
A nice gift to the whole world, really.
The only surprise would be if Iran completely agreed to stop all its’ nuclear enrichment programs. That will never happen. So what’s left? The usual head games. The UN, Russia, and China saying “Hurry up. We may run out of delays”.
Fire up the bombers.
MaxInfidel, lol!! That would be great!
within one minute of a successful test, iran should receive 100 nuclear blows that ends its ability to do anything further. after the blows, the west should practice its own taqiyah and say the "iranians miscalculted the size of their explosion and allah knows best."
The smart thing for Israel to do is to enhance its Arrow-2 anti-missile system and make sure Hezbollah is thoroughly defeated. A good defense against cruise missiles is probably needed too. Syria doesn't dare to attack Israel and Jordan doesn't seem to want to.
Now, should be fun to watch the European leaders when they realize that Ahmadinejad really wants to meet Mahdi or jump start the "last day" and Israel to too well defended. His long-range missiles reach all of Europe and none of the countries in Europe has any defense against balistic missiles.
David England:
I may soon be resigned to digging out my trusty old cutlass. With genius like yours, I may conscript you as First Lieutenant. Sorry, but needs must.
Sargeant Brown as CPO.
/I am not crazy, I think the islamofascists have not really understood a thing,/b> about America.
Oh, but they DO understand us. They know more about us than what we know about them. Worse still, they know more about us than what we know about ourselves. They've watched us draw lines in the sand for them to cross, and when they cross that line, we simnply draw another, and this has continued for over three years. They now know they're dealing with a West that has gone back to the 1930s. They know that we're not going to do anything to stop them getting the bomb.
/I am not crazy, I think the islamofascists have not really understood a thing,/b> about America.
Oh, but they DO understand us. They know more about us than what we know about them. Worse still, they know more about us than what we know about ourselves. They've watched us draw lines in the sand for them to cross, and when they cross that line, we simply draw another, and this has continued for over three years. They now know they're dealing with a West that has gone back to the 1930s. They know that we're not going to do anything to stop them getting the bomb.
SURPRISE -- I love surprises -- what is it???!!!
My husband gave me a "surprise" one time and I'll never fall for that again. He went to some garage sale and bought me a used hand mirror -- guess where that wound up. I don't mind used stuff, but don't call it a "surprise", because they're generally DISAPPOINTMENTS.
Spirit of 1683
I agree with your evaluation of the LOOK that the West is showing now.
That doesn't mean that the LOOK is the face.
America always answered to every challenge only WAY too late, only when there could be no doubt about the will of the aggressor.
It's a kind of good heart: we are paying hard for it, because the islamofascists started this round tens of years ago.
But the islamofascists are ignorant idiots, without the culture and the knowledge needed to see everything in the long term perspective.
How do I know ?
Without September Eleven and at their current rate of invasion, by 2050 the whole West would have been theirs.
And even this continuous sabre-rattling is due to the fact that THEY are cowards, who would back away from a sabre rattling enemy.
They have no idea of the hidden strength of this Country, of the solid Values People cherish.
the islamofascists get their info from America from the movies and from the news. Which is like studying nuclear physics on the cartoons.
I am offended and angry at the current Administration as anyone else, but what I am discussing here is not an Administration or another.
Erm, spell out where the mirror ended up?? :-)
As to the thread, i'm going with the test theory, however, an announcement that they've married a warhead to a missile, or have the capability, I feel is also likely.
It’s much easier to talk. You can appear compassionate and reasoned on TV. And then, after work, you can have dinner with the opposing side. Where you discuss, from your lofty vantagepoint, ways towards a peaceful future for all. The New York Times doesn’t criticize you. But the Iranians, after gleening whatever intelligence they can from your two glasses of wine, laugh at your impotence.
Sir Henry, it’s not as classy as a Cutlass, but a twenty-gauge shotgun is a great self-defense weapon. It has very little kick, so your wife can use it if needed. The rounds are inexpensive (20% of the price of a bullet) and are devastating at close range.
MAxInfidel
I never wish anything bad to anybody, because in the Bible it is written not to rejoice for the slaughter of your enemies.
But if they lift a sword and it falls on their own heads I could perhaps smile for a second.
Live by the nuke, die by the nuke...
Correct:
THEY GET THEIR INFO ABOUT America from the movies etc.
A couple more points to ponder:
The House Intelligence Committee just released a bipartisan report, scoring our intelligence community for underestimating the threat from Iran and its ignorance of the scope and locations of Iran's secret programs. I wonder if they just found out about the "surprise" and realize the CIA has been caught flat-footed all this time till now.
OK, if the "surprise" is the unveiling of nuclear weapons, the question is then: Could Iran have developed nuclear weapons on its own that quickly? Or did they have help, from North Korea or Russia? If the latter, then we may have yet another crisis on our hands. No other nation can be permitted to sell nuclear weapons to Iran without facing serious consequences either.
...what about: a joint testing. Both NK and Iran test nukes at the same time.
Just a thought.
the problem of Iran is the problem of Nazi Germany and Napoleon's regime. They have no mechanism to filter reality properly. The see the world according to their own grand plan and have no self-correcting mechanisms in place. Therefore, they can't really gauge their own strengths and weaknesses relative to their enemies. Hitler had the same limitation.
Why do you think the guy named Baghdad Bob kept up the propaganda like an ass-clown? Same reason.
Iran sees the rest of world just like Hitler did in July of 1939. Unfortuately for all of us living, Iranian leadership can't see that the world didn't stop & stay in July 1939. They disregard the infidel world as it was in August of 1945.
They will pay the price, but so will we. Again.
Marvin writes: "The smart thing for Israel to do is to enhance its Arrow-2 anti-missile system and make sure Hezbollah is thoroughly defeated. A good defense against cruise missiles is probably needed too."
Neither the Arrow-2 nor any other antiballistic missile system can never be a perfect defense against incoming missile attack. It can only make the attack more expensive for the attacker. And an effective area defense against cruise missiles is a long way off (which is why the U.S. Tomahawk cruise missile is still such a great weapon). Israel will have to take the offensive against Iran anyway. And right now, the Israeli military is ill-equipped to wage a sustained military campaign so far from home. Israel needs to invest in long-range attack bombers that don't need mid-air refueling over Muslim territory, as its current fleet of planes do.
Why does Israel have to 'go it alone'? Why does the moral weight of the free world rest solely on the shoulders of the Israelis? I don't see it... of course they are the primary target and they understand 'nobody takes care of you like you' but come on...
Our man notes:
"the islamofascists get their info from America from the movies and from the news".
You can bet they watch the likes of Cindy Sheehan and Ward Churchill. What Slugs. They listen to the speeches of John Dean, John Kerry, Ned Lamont, Barbara Pelosi, Murtagh,Biden,Rangel,Clinton,MoveOn.org--all of whom call on Americans to remove itself from the premier theater playing the fight terrorism.
They watch the news reports of the insipid war protestors marching down the steets. They watch the insipid war protestors showing up at military funerals. They laugh when their members get caught with 1000 cellphones, city maps showing the electrical substations locations, water plant locations , bridges , tunnels, and other potential targets destined for mass destruction and death, And they see we let them go free. Yes they laugh (in Muslim countries such persons caught would soon become past history). They laugh at the morons who run our passports and visa offices and they see just how easy they get through..
These Morons see morons, they do not see the real Americans who are now becoming better informed and more willing to fight. As our founding patriot stated:
WE HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT.!!!
One senior source said on Tuesday that Iran "flipped the world the bird" by not responding positively to the Western incentive plan to stop uranium enrichment. He expressed frustration that the Russians and Chinese were already saying that Iran's offer of a "new formula" and willingness to enter "serious negotiations" was an opening to keep on talking.
"The Iranians know the world will do nothing," he said. "This is similar to the world's attempts to appease Hitler in the 1930s - they are trying to feed the beast."
He said there was a need to understand that "when push comes to shove," Israel would have to be prepared to "slow down" the Iranian nuclear threat by itself.
Israel should not have to wonder if the United States will act.....They should not have to wonder if they are alone in the world.....America should speak up...Stand up...show the World that America watchs over Israel....It is our Duty as the leader of the free World to stop Iran.....Or there will be no Free World to fight for.
Both Houses -
I completely agree with you! A few weeks ago I asked my husband if Israel would take a couple of 50-year-olds into their army, but he gave me that look, so I think the answer was no.
At the very least we are going to vote for a president who walks the talk of supporting Israel. Sorry George.
I think we should help Iran bring back the kid that fell down the well and fulfill their prophecy...on their soil.
US troops take a right turn into Iran, and hold the mountain heights. Leave Iraq to be fought out between the Shiits and Sunnys...that will keep them busy there.
US troops take a left turn in Talibanistan toward Iran.
Park a fleet at the Straights of Hormuz.
Send in the big birds and drop a few persuaders on Tehran's Turbans.
killhankkill: Japan is proving to be a reasonable ally of America's at the moment, as they are very much in the same boat as we are in world affairs. India is also finding the world a very scary place at the moment and has given America encouragement for at least some future support. Some Filipinos I know maintain that most Filipinos are strongly pro-American (however they may feel about our military bases there). So it may not be entirely true that Americans have no allies on the global scene. True allies have never been easy to come by. Also, WHEN were China or Russia friends of ours? Never. Incidentally, India, the world's biggest democracy, matters more than China, Russia, western Europe and Latin America combined insofar as I can see. And America has much in common with India. So I think you may be in for a pleasant surprise--but we'll see.
The biggest problem Americans have now, really,is finding decent leadership. If we can't find someone with more brains than George W. (old 'wobbly') Bush and Dick Cheney we will almost certainly dethrone ourselves from superpower status.
Americans DO possess the intellectual resources to trump the oil card. But we need the leadership to pull it off which is presently and sorely lacking.
I would like to see the US give Iran a nuclear surprise.
Welcome to the world of the Muslim-Mind-Bender, where evil is good, lies are the truth, war means peace, up means down, and where "surprises" are.....
....guess we'll have to wait and see!
Gary, I've been thinking the same thing (that Iran and NK would test nukes at the same time). My money is on that scenario - whether it comes tomorrow or not.
Look folks, Russia has BIG money invested in Iran's nuclear facilities. They are helping to build them! You can read about that in the news. China wants Iran's oil.
Russia and China are being a pain for financial reasons. This is why they should not be on the security council. They are not interested in security.
Here is their motivation for not helping us:
RUSSIA:
1) because they are still ticked about us helping Bin Laden to kick them out of Afghanistan, this is why they are currently helping the terrorists kill our kids in Iraq (Russian-made weapons have been found)
2) They are still mad about us interfering with their ‘oil deals’ with Saddam when we went into Iraq
3) They are making BIG bucks in Iran at the moment.
CHINA
1) They too are heavily invested in Iran
2) They are concerned we might get control of Iran's oil, which they want for their oil-hungry economy.
MY HUMBLE OPINION:
We can count on Russia and China to NOT help us for ‘moral’ reasons. Neither of them gives a rat’s posterior about morals. It’s all about money/oil. Another example of this would be the Sudan. The reason China has threatened to veto any resolution against the Sudan is because they are getting their oil from the Sudan. Simply put, they do not care about muslims killing Christians there.
SOLUTION:
The United States and any REAL allies need to help Israel do the job and remind Russia & China that any interference would assure that they would no longer have a cold war with us.
I don’t suppose Russia or China want a nuke up their butt.
Here's what I dont understand:
Iran is at war with the West, more particularly the U.S. Amaljihad monkey has pretty well been belly dancing like a houri boy bitch in front of America, more or less taunting and challenging, "hit me hit me hit me";
Why not just deliver a bomb a day on the monkey ?
Just keep degrading his infrastructure.
A ship here, a power plant there.
He's already throwing the best he can do at us.
He gets his challenge and we get to degrade him.
A win win situation.
Our do nothing Congress should pass a bill imposing trade sanctions against China if they refuse to cooperate in disarming Iran. Don't we do more business with China than Iran does with China? We should only engage in trade with allies.
Fed Up With Funding Hezbollah?
Interesting part of this report is that ethnic Shia Arabs in Khuzestan don't feel the affinity towards fellow Arab Shia Hizbullah that Teheran does. Quite a contrast with the Iraqi Shia.'Why does Israel have to 'go it alone'? Why does the moral weight of the free world rest solely on the shoulders of the Israelis? I don't see it... of course they are the primary target and they understand 'nobody takes care of you like you' but come on...
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses'
Along those lines, I've been thinking to mail a check straight to the IDF. I see them as fighting for my Western values, as well as their own survival (even if THEY don't see it as so).
Does anyone know if there are any laws (in the US) against giving direct support to a foreign military?
What allies?
Honduras? South Africa?
Maybe we can corner the market on t-shirts and make Old Navy a world economic power.
We don't have any allies anymore thanks to Bush's mis-handling of the propaganda war.
If you want to Defeat Jihad as I do, support Mideast Destabilization and set up the coming competition between Tehran and Saudi Arabia.
(Tehran is an odds-on favorite to win).
America will be wise to keep our powder dry.
The reason why America refuses to act on Iran - is oil. It is always oil. Even though America only gets 11.5% of its oil from Saudi Arabia, the arabs have tremendous influence not just on the Bush administration, but on all American administrations. And the implicit understanding is that to avoid an arab oil embargo, America must tread softly with Iran, because if America goes to war with Iran, the House of Saud will be under tremendous pressure to cut off America from the oil.
Its population is radical enough as it is. The House of Saud is already perched precariously upon a shaky precipice being so cozy with the infidels in America. Should America whack Iran, the House of Saud will be forced to make America its enemy, or fall victim to a fundamentalist revolution for not doing so, a conundrum neither wishes to be faced with.
So we have this problem with Iran, where we know what is coming from madhat, but at the same time, unable to do do anything concrete about it for reasons of petroleum geopolitics.
This is also the reason why no US president, either Bush or Hilliary, will ever pull the troops out of Iraq. That would most likely precede an Iranian invasion of Iraq, which would put the madman on the huge border with Saudi Arabia, not to mention Jordan. Saudi Arabia has an unwritten, unspoken understanding with the Whitehouse, any Whitehouse, democrat, Republican, makes no difference, that under no circumstances can Iraq be abandoned to Iran. All of this notwithstanding the painfully obvious reality that no stable, secular government will ever come from the Iraqis. So they are waiting for Godot.
All of this influence from Saudi Arabia means that not only will US troops end up staying in Iraq indefinitely, but that US troops can never be used to slap Madhat. Nor can the US allow Israel to do the same. Just as it was verbotten for Israel to get involved in Persian Gulf 1.0, for fear of offending the Saudi population and destabilizing its government, so too again is Israel kept at bay now, as blackmail from the House of Saud.
What is vexing is that all of this influence is bought with a mere 11.5% of the US consumption of foreign oil which is House of Saud oil. That may not seem like much, and it isn't. America could make up that 11.5% by importing a bit more from other countries like Canada, which already supplies more oil to the US than all of OPEC. Not many know that. But there is a new twist. It just so happens that Venezuela, and its anti-American, Marxist, terrorist-loving, madhat-befriending obese slob president Hugo, also supplies 11.5% of America's imported oil. And no doubt, should America send a couple jabs into Madhat's rather unattractive face, that 11.5% would join the 11.5% from Saudi Arabia, to really hurt the US in the short term. That would be 23% of America's oil cut off overnight, in the wake of any attack.
So, Bush sits there, as any POTUS would, and figures it is best to play games of diplomacy, rather than take our JW advice and just bang that little monkey into the ground. As much as he would like to, he must ask himself, "Gee, Laura, where am I going to get that missing 23% of the US oil supply?"
The fact that is will come to that anyway, is lost on presidents.
Proud Infidel, It could be a test but only for show; an underground test would not be a show. A Uraniun bomb does not need testing. In '45 the uranium bomb was "tested" on Hiroshima. He might need to test a nuclear warhead and a missile combination. But again, it wold not need the be nuclear.
I have been trying to find out the "shelf life" of a uranium bomb. Does U235 decay after a few years and loose the enrichement concentration to the point that it will not explode? I do know that hydrogen bombs need to be replenished after several years.
I have often wondered, if Iran received U235 from some unpaid, disgruntled Russian generals. Does Iran merely need to run it through a cyclotron a few times?
August22 wrote: "All of this notwithstanding the painfully obvious reality that no stable, secular government will ever come from the Iraqis."
Once upon a time there was a stable secular government in Iraq. What the hell happened to it?
August:
I like your take. But I think you are giving Bush too much credit for his intellect.
If we continue as lackey boy eunuchs for the House of Saud, we are finished as a superpower. A better solution is to foster Mideast destabilization, pit Iran against Saudi Arabia and hedge our bets that Tehran will win out.
We cannot SAY that of course.
So it comes to propaganda, as has been my position here on JW.
Bush's "Bringing Democracy to the Mideast" policy is wearing thin now. It never was a smart propaganda position to start with because democracy implies stability and stability inspires participation and participation invites radicalism and so forth.
Our secret alliance must and should be with Tehran and Ahmed. We need to give him the nuke secretly while protesting it publicly.
We need to bring about as much confusion and conflict as we can muster up in Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. I hold that Tehran can be placed in the same category as the former Soviet Union, China, and Pakistan, - friend nor foe - but only after they are armed with the nuke they want. Nukes have a neutering effect if anyone has taken the time to notice lately.
So the real debate is over the future and how Tehran will handle itself. Forget religious mumbo jumbo and spiritual superiority.
Human nature is universally about survival, not salvation. Also: kick a rabid dog and he'll usually bite.
If the issue is no strike on the unwashed monkey because of oil shortage repercussions, and since the umma bastards are so united so that transnational borders are no longer respected by muslims, and since the Saudis are funding our demise in any event with these jihad factorie madrassahs (yes in your neighbourhood), a new Western doctrine is required
the nationalization of oil doctrine
we seize the oil fields in the event of embargo or war
If Osama thinks the West is decadent, just imagine how we feel about these a-hole pashas in long robes in Western capitals.
I know that nuclear is the power of the future, but we should make it so, at our pacing and at a time of our choosing
I was watching Glenn Beck this evening, and while I like his conservative slant, he is totally fooled by this democracy in the middle east thing. A total supporter of Bush's vision, even quoting Bush and telling his audience how wise George was for going into Iraq to face down Iran.
Also Farid Ghadry, of the Syrian reform party was on again, and he was giving us the usual arab line about needing American material support to bring democracy to the middle east. Yes, if only we just give them some more milk and honey, then they will learn to behave themselves. Forgetting 1300 years of arab imperaliasm and islamic barbarity.
Glenn keeps saying that the Iranian people love America and would love to get rid of their leadership and have a democracy. What both these guys don't understand is that arabs do not want democracy. And even if you give it to them, they will use it to elect an islamic caliphate.
I like Glenn, but he is so naive about islam. He has no clue. He thinks like Bush. He believes the only bad thing about the middle east is its leaders. Never once does he entertain the thought that perhaps the people themselves are bad, and that is why their leaders are always bad. Someone famous once said, "You will know them by their fruits."
A bad tree makes bad fruit. Getting rid of the bad fruit (the leadership) does not produce good fruit. For the tree is diseased. Islam is that disease.
Just when I thought we had a voice in Glenn Beck, I discover he hasn't clue about the real problem.
Perhaps Robert should give Glenn some reading material, but I think Glenn is too much of an intellectual lightweight to read it.
(while I'm ranting)
far prefer G.W. to anything the Dems can produce.
the highest concentrations of Saudi whores on the face of the planet is in Washington D.C. The place should be fumigated.
August,
Oscar Wilde, Noel Coward, James Agee, Tennessee Williams.
Some forms of tolerance are well rewarded, although Socrates did not die of old age.
There are lots of remarks about GW on this site, most of them are negative...ok fine. I would love to hear some positive remarks, since there is nothing we can do about him (I cop out I voted for him twice). Who do you like for the next leader? Who can/ lead us in this war that the Bush administration has put on hold? You Dem's please don't hold back..nobody knows your real name. Maybe that fierce warrior..that legend in his own mind..Kerry? How about Newt..he seems to be running and I like his approach to islam, although he has a little problem with loyalty to his wives, I guess nobody is perfect.
I have been listening for years to reports of pro American Iranians who love our culture and want to be closer to the west and bla bla bla. They are "poised" to throw off the yoke of the mullahs...yea right. I see no light there and if they don't get busy soon throwing some mullahs off they might find themselves glowing in the dark and they have nobody but themselves to blame. Pant pant..my fingers are tired.
pismopal, there is no one in the political arena that can fight islam. The House of Saud will not allow it. Notice that the only democrat to be critical of the saudis was Dean, and the democrats rolled him up into a carpet and tossed him into a ravine. Also, notice that no democrat, regardless of how much they say they were against the war, advocates pulling out of Iraq. That is also against the Saudi wishes.
In Washington, the power game is played by the rules. And if you do not play by the rules, and the Saudis are part of that rule structure, you do not play. Money talks and bullshit walks, as they say.
So to answer your question: No one. It will take a nuclear war to realign Washington correctly along national interests, not financial interests.
We don't need a person to be President. We are intelligent enough to create an avatar. This is America. We need to be as innovative in our design of government as we are in our technology.
What we need is the confidence to reshape the theory and application of government.
What we have now is a leadership stultified by ineptitude and inaction. WW3 is ON. It's electronic. It's technological and the battlefield is digital. We can win this without firing a shot if we stop being emotional and start being practical.
Nuclear weapons and oil are history. Do not kid yourselves. This is a war of wills and our resolve to use technology to defeat religion.
If religion wins, we all lose.
We don't need a person to be President. We are intelligent enough to create an avatar. This is America. We need to be as innovative in our design of government as we are in our technology.
What we need is the confidence to reshape the theory and application of government.
What we have now is a leadership stultified by ineptitude and inaction. WW3 is ON. It's electronic. It's technological and the battlefield is digital. We can win this without firing a shot if we stop being emotional and start being practical.
Nuclear weapons and oil are history. Do not kid yourselves. This is a war of wills and our resolve to use technology to defeat religion.
If religion wins, we all lose.
KillHankKill said,
I don't think Iran got their nuclear technology either from China or from one of the other Middle East oil states. If Iran test-fires a bomb, they bought it from either North Korea or Russia.
We have no economic leverage over North Korea because they are already totally isolated in the world to begin with. And calling out Russia on having given Iran nuclear arms is going to be difficult. Putin can claim it was renegade scientists or renegade Russian military people who did it without his knowledge. Of course, he'll promise to launch a full investigation, but it's a sure bet to be the coverup and whitewash of all time. He's KGB, remember.
The best surprise America can give to Tehran and its mighty nut job of a president: detonate EMP weapons over Iranian and North Korean air space and take out their electronic infrastructure (with minimal loss of civilan life) they require to deploy weapons of mass destruction on other nation-states.
That would be a win-win for us. Two less crazy dictators to terrorize the world. And without an invasion of US forces and/or huge civilian losses of life so we don't have to worry about our so-called 'allies' (like France or Austria) condemning us for violating the Geneva Convention or whatever lame, idiotic dogma they can concoct.
August22
The Saudis do indeed have a lot of clout and money is a lot of it but money is only part of the influence. They know ( as I have mentioned before )that they need the U.S. to insure their survival and in exchange for that insurance they are willing to look as if (from time to time) they are moderates. They have a great team, smooth talking press relations officers who speak impecable english and a Foreign Minister who graduated from Princeton and loves American football. I don't think the Saudis wanted us in Iraq in the first place but now that we are there they don't want us to leave (the vacuum will be filled by Iran they fear). Our stategic interest there or anywhere in the middle east is primarilly about oil. Nothing wrong with that..I use it and so does everyone else including the left but they don't like admitting it. Your last sentence said it best and I agree, it must get much worse before it gets better.
Philip Sellers
If this is a war of wills we may have already lost. How can there be a will when most of the people I know don't even know what is going on?
You seem to be advocating a strong man ( or soviet or Abraham Lincoln) to get us on track or perhaps a little zig zag around the constitution? I think the design of our government is great but the pool of available chief executives is pathetic beyond belief. The right man could turn this around but where is he?
Robert & Hugh....2008
Kerry for president -- I cringe at the thought!
If religion wins, we all lose.
Posted by: Phillip Sellers at August 24, 2006 09:01 PM
++++++++++++++++++++
Phillip, your distate for religion shows and is wrong.
Without Christians and other religious persons fighting to form America - America would not be.......
Without Christians and other religious persons defending America through the last three centuries - America would not be........
Without Christians and other religiious persons defending America aganist the cult of islam - America will not be..........
Phillip wake up quit being stupid, for without the help of Christians you will either become a muslim, slave or beheaded.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
The only thing right about your post was my memorable quote:
"If religion wins, we all lose." - PCS
BTW, I am spiritual. Just not a bone-headed dogmatist. I'd question the Pope, speak in tongues, handle snakes and drink strychnine if I thought it would make an iota's difference.
Tomorrow, I'm reading up on the Spanish Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials. Any recommended texts by non apologists? I want to convince myself that these events were mere anomolies perpetrated by Christian nutcases rather than seriously accepted Church Reactionaries.
Phil
Gentlemen -- lets leave the infighting to the Muslims.
WW3 is ON. It's electronic. It's technological and the battlefield is digital. We can win this without firing a shot if we stop being emotional and start being practical.
Nuclear weapons and oil are history. Do not kid yourselves. This is a war of wills and our resolve to use technology to defeat religion.
If religion wins, we all lose.
Posted by: Phillip Sellers
Very interesting and I agree that the electronic, informational, ideological battlefront is key to putting down Islam. Unfortunately we don't use the full force of what we've got. Before we can do this we must a) name the enemy, b) name the base from which the enemy draws its authority and c) correctly define the nature of this war.
Short answers: a) all true believers and their support structures b) qur'an, ahadith and sirat rasullah c) medieval and ideological, with no distinction between armed forces and civilians - everyone is a target.
This is not the free world's fault. We are at war with something outside of the free world - its negative image as a matter of fact. As in matter & anti-matter. We can no longer continue to try free world approaches again and again and expect the enemy to act like opponents in a cricket match.
The old joke says 'insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results'. It's time to get over the temporary insanity.
well, today the "surprise" was announced...Russia (and probably China will follow) refuses to enact sanctions against iran.
...surprise, surprise, surprise!....
/not really.
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060825/2006-08-25T125958Z_01_L24364475_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-NUCLEAR-IRAN-DC.html
The only thing right about your post was my memorable quote:
"If religion wins, we all lose." - PCS
BTW, I am spiritual. Just not a bone-headed dogmatist. I'd question the Pope, speak in tongues, handle snakes and drink strychnine if I thought it would make an iota's difference.
Posted by: Phillip Sellers at August 25, 2006 01:02 AM
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Phillip, your posts show underlying hatred for Christians and other religions.
The world that you wish for would be a very bleak place.
Your ilk is no better than the muslims that will enslave or behead those that will not convert.
Regardless, I will pray for you and fight for you during this war that we are in.
The Texican.
Freedom, the only choice at any cost and the cost will be immense.
Phillip Sellers says "Tomorrow, I'm reading up on the Spanish Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials. Any recommended texts by non apologists? I want to convince myself that these events were mere anomolies perpetrated by Christian nutcases rather than seriously accepted Church Reactionaries."
And that was 300 or more years ago. We are talking about Islam which is still barbaric in the 21st century. More moral equivalence from a politically-correct troll. And the Spanish Inquisition killed 32,000 people over a 370 years span, whilst the Islamic Inquisition kills that number every month.
And, furthermore, I have just noticed this diary entry from Marco Polo's diary, which proves nothing has changed in Islam since his time:
"The Muslims in Persia are wicked and treacherous. The law which their prophet Mohamet [Muhammad] has given them lays down that any harm they may do to one who does not accept their law, and any appropriation of his goods, is no sin at all. And if they suffer death at the hands of Christians, they are accounted martyrs. For this reason they would be great wrongdoers, if it were not for the government. And all the other Muslims in the world act on the same principle. When they are on the point of death up comes their priest [Mullah] and asks whether they believe that Mahomet was the true messenger of God; if they answer "Yes" then he tells them that they are saved." Entry in Marco Polo’s diary from around 750 years ago.