the latest propaganda video from Ayman al-Zawahiri, from AP: "Al-Qaida lieutenant warns of new attacks" CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida's No. 2 condemned U.N. peacekeepers in Lebanon as enemies of Islam and warned the terror group will strike the Persian Gulf and Israel, suggesting new fronts in...">

Al-Zawahiri warns of new attacks

More information on the latest propaganda video from Ayman al-Zawahiri, from AP: "Al-Qaida lieutenant warns of new attacks"

CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida's No. 2 condemned U.N. peacekeepers in Lebanon as enemies of Islam and warned the terror group will strike the Persian Gulf and Israel, suggesting new fronts in its war against the West in a video Monday marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.
The video of Ayman al-Zawahri was one of three al-Qaida released for the anniversary, showing increasingly sophisticated techniques as the group tries to demonstrate that it remains a powerful, confident force five years into the U.S. war on terror.
Al-Zawahri spoke in the third and longest video, warning Americans of more attacks to come.
"We have repeatedly warned you and offered a truce with you. Now we have all the legal and rational justification to continue to fight you until your power is destroyed or you give in and surrender," he said. "The days are pregnant and giving birth to new events."

One will recall that al-Zawahiri and Adam Gadahn just called on "Americans and unbelievers" to convert to Islam at the beginning of the month -- as Muhammad required that an enemy be invited to convert before an attack (Sahih Muslim 19.4294).

He also called on his followers to attack the U.S. in response to its jailing of a prominent Muslim cleric.
"I call on every Muslim to make use of every opportunity afforded him to take revenge on America for its imprisonment of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman," he said.
Abdel-Rahman, a blind cleric from Egypt, was convicted in the U.S. of seditious conspiracy for his advisory role in a plot to blow up five New York City landmarks, including the United Nations in 1995.
Al-Zawahri's comments also pointed to new fronts for al-Qaida attacks. The terror network has had few operations in Lebanon, Israel or in the Gulf region -- except for in Saudi Arabia, where its branch carried out a campaign of violence in recent years but has been heavily damaged by a government crackdown.
He urged his followers to attack Western targets to stop what he said was the stealing of oil from Muslim countries.
Both Lebanon and Israel have warned of a possible growing al-Qaida presence.
"We have seen over the last months increased al-Qaida activity in our area," in Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt's Sinai peninsula, Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said. "We've seen an attempt by al-Qaida to also infiltrate in Gaza and even in the West Bank, so we take the threat very seriously and we're taking the appropriate countermeasures," he said, without elaborating.
Addressing the United States, al-Zawahri said "you should not waste your time" reinforcing troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, "because they are doomed to defeat."
"Instead, you have to reinforce your troops in two regions. First is the Gulf, where you will be thrown out after you are defeated in Iraq, at which point your economic ruin will be achieved," he said. "The second is Israel, because the jihad reinforcements are getting closer to it."
He also denounced the U.N. peacekeeping force now moving into Lebanon under terms set out in a U.N. cease-fire resolution that on Aug. 14 ended fighting between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas. He suggested Muslims should prevent the peacekeepers' deployment.
"What is so terrible in this resolution ... is that it approves the existence of the Jewish state and isolates our mujahedeen in Palestine from Muslims in Lebanon," he said. "This is consecrated by the presence of international troops who are hostile to Islam."
"Anyone who accepts this resolution means that he accepts all these catastrophes," he said.
The Egyptian-born al-Zawahri called on the Muslim world "to rush with everything at its disposal to the aid of its Muslim brothers in Lebanon and Gaza" and accused Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia of being "traitors" when it came to those two conflicts.
The comments about Lebanon -- which indicated the video was recent -- were the first indirect threat against the French-led force deploying there, tasked with enforcing a border zone free of Hezbollah weapons.
But it is not clear al-Qaida has the means to carry out significant attacks in Lebanon. The Sunni-led al-Qaida and Shiite Hezbollah are considered enemies. The Shiite guerrillas were angered over the terror group's interference in December, when al-Qaida in Iraq claimed a rocket attack from Lebanon into northern Israel, provoking Israeli airstrikes on a Palestinian base in Lebanon.
Al-Zawahri also called on Iraq's Kurds to shun America and Israel.
[...]
... [The] central leadership's propaganda machine has gotten more sophisticated, aiming to rally militants and romanticizing the jihad, or holy war, against the United States as a heroic fight.
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The trickle of islamist extremism has mutated to a torrent and still most of our media and intellectual bien pensants refuse to acknowledge that war has been declared on western civilisation again as it has been on and off since before the turn of the first millenium.
How can we defend ourselves when every move we maje to defend ourselves is attacked from wothin our own society , when the human rights of every apprehended jihadist is worth a thousand victims of 911?
Every day our own liberals call for the cancellation of Israel, deny its right to defend itself when its civilians are murdered by suicide bombers or rockets launched from south lebanon. Knowing full well that israel is at the front line of defence of western civilisation, we willingly attempt to sacrifice to he horrors of Islamic conquest.
When the cameramen and journalists of almost all western media organisations wait with bated breath to inflate a thousand fold the tiniest excess of our own troops and accept without questions the lies and distortions handed to them by their arab colleagues.
Distortions that are eagerly pounced on by media such as the BBC and the Guardian in their quest to demopathically destroy our society from within.

. . . and even on September 11--2006--some fool was still mouthing something about the "perversion of a great religion" or some such nonsense (I don't listen closely to the idiot). Let the shoe fit whomever it does.

President Bush rightly said the war will continue until the West or the Extremists win. Sadly Iraq and Afghanistan are the forward battlefields as the Jihadis not just a national resistance. The goal of the extremists was always to destroy the Apostate Regimes in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. Israel should be destroyed as a Western foothold in their lands. The Shiite extremist Aminedjad says it and the Sunni Bin Laden. Why does Europe ignore the growing attack on them. The 9/11 attackers initially based and planned in Germany. There have been attacks in Spain, England, Russia and almost in Germany. The intent is to divide the Western Alliance. The Germans deny their soldiers are in combat in Afghanistan, no they are doing peacekeeping and Drug supression. Only a united front and strength from the West will destroy Islamic Extremism.

At least this video doesn't mention Robert by name.

Al Qaeda keeps muttering threats... but they are still too cowardly to even directly admit to 9/11.

That is cowardice.

Also, Bin Laden initially lied about 9/11... but since then they have implied they have been behind it. They have not denounced either of the videos.

There are times God brings plagues to nations.

But, God does not call liars.

The Devil is the liar and the murderer.

The Muslim steals the religion of the Christians and Jews, they pervert the Holy Book, and then they dare come back and say that the Holy Book, which God protected Himself... was perverted and their "corrections" are the real thing?

These men think lying is holy and murder is most holy.

Their religion revolves around human sacrifice.

I say, bring it on. I tire of their useless threats. Maybe they will finally do something which will force us to really battle Islamists across the world. Maybe we can have this out now... instead of twenty years from now when the "Islamic Nuke" has spread through every Islamist nation and they have more wealth from their oil hoarding.

These Islamists dogs have given society, the world, nothing but a promise to take away peace.

Why? Because of oil. Oil money... they think buys them the right to kill us. Oil money... they spread their fingers through the whole globe, corrupting it with blasphemous hatred... then they say "the Jews did it".

No, it is the Islamist.

In this latest installment from Jihad Central, the videography was improved, but I kinda missed not hearing more of Adam Gadahn's lisp laden, lip licking locution.

During Zawhahiri's diatribe, I found myself wondering if the hematoma in the center of his forehead was the result of pressing same to the floor 5 times a day...?

Xero G:

That is exactly why they get that wound. They intentionally bruise themselves so everyone can know how "holy" they are. It is a religion based around show -- the very opposite of how Jesus instructed people to worship. From their very public and loud prayers to the public, communal fastings.

All of this serves to strongly bond the group together. They develop an intense appetite for respect from one another, that is their ego grows enormously in this manner. They think of each other as if they were gods.

Islamists are some of the most conceited people you can meet on the face of the planet.

They are very close to Satan.

"We have repeatedly warned you and offered a truce with you."

Also known as the Dhimma.

"I call on every Muslim to make use of every opportunity afforded him to take revenge on America for its imprisonment of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman"

No, it's not Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, it's the Danish Mohammad Cartoons they want to avenge. No, it's Bosnia. No, no! It's the Crusades. No, it's...

Never mind.

"He urged his followers to attack Western targets to stop what he said was the stealing of oil from Muslim countries."

That's a bone thrown to the dogs on the West's Left. They'll gnaw it dry, and it'll be on TreasonMedia all over.

One more thought on this boasting from these highly conceited men:

I am sick of their boasting. They think so very much of themselves. They crave so deeply that people think of them as their peers do... the same ones who seem to put on such a show for religion.

Yet, look at their legacy. Much of the Muslim world thinks they either do not exist... or that they are CIA and Jewish agents.

The respect they so deeply sought... is escaping their cowardly grasp. If they had just not lied and stood up and admitted they did 9/11 directly... surely, then, these Muslims and Leftists would not laugh at them and call them Jewish and CIA stooges?

It is true, many of these "truthers" are deep liars who know the facts... but also deny them to simply maximize the maliciousness of their support, their blood drinking, of 9/11.

From the Muslim world that dares claim they know God, where is their proof?

The only "proof" they had was their savage takeover of much of the known world. Something which today they are ashamed of. As they were far more savage then even the Mongols, they should be ashamed of it. Indeed, the Mongols had a sense of honor... the Islamists did not.

Now, many centuries later, there has been oil found in their countries.

That is the only reason today they are not out goat farming and doing their other miserable deeds. They are a worthless lot... whose nations have ever been increasing in desert and not much else. They have produced nothing. No inventions, no art, no poetry -- and what passes for religion for them is filth. Filth that truly would be laughable if it were not so sick and perverted.

You can not quote from the Islamist Scriptures because it is nonsense. It contains no wisdom. It is foolish sputterings.

Further, every war these people have been in - and they start many - now ends in failure.

The evidence of God having cursed them is everywhere, in all of these horrible things -- yet they dare continue to stand up as if they were guided by Him and as if they spoke for Him?

It is their own imagination, and the devils of the desert. They are so conceited they think they are god. That is why their lands have been cursed.

Their rising up will just destroy their own people. We should celebrate and mock them to stick their head up high enough... so God will demonstrate His power and cut it off.

The Egyptian-born al-Zawahri called on the Muslim world "to rush with everything at its disposal to the aid of its Muslim brothers in Lebanon and Gaza" and accused Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia of being "traitors" when it came to those two conflicts.

.. and muslim immigration to US has increased, in Dubya's watch. Go figure.....

The 423rd anniversary of Europe’s deliverance

After September 11 comes September 12—September 12, 1683, that is, the day on which the European powers under the leadership of the Polish king Jan Sobieski defeated the Turks at the battle of Vienna and ended the Moslems’ attempt to capture the city. The great Ottoman power then proceeded to ebb, bringing to a close a thousand years of ceaseless Moslem attacks on Europe and making the modern world possible. … until, of course, in the late 20th century, a Europe that no longer remembered or cared what Moslems were, or what Europe itself was, welcomed back its old enemy in the form of millions of Moslem immigrants, as though that millennium of fear and struggle and loss had never been.

Thanks to Laurence Auster of VFR for reminding us.

PS:
The above quote is directly from Laurence Auster

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/

As I always say, terrorism is the fruit, islam is really the root.

Two things:
1) The President failed to clearly define the enemy: islam and the muslims that spread it. In that respect, his speech failed.

2) The State Department is more and more acting openly as an arm of the enemy. Karen Hughes spewed offending comments last night. She actually said islam is a "beautiful religion". Islam is a vile, repulisive CULTURE of death. It is not a religion.

Some Mindless Rants
I despise the enemy (islam and the muslims that spread it) more now than on 9/11. And looming ever larger seems to be the dark kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

We brought democracy to Japan and Europe by destroying the enemy. We eventually nuked Japan into total submission. We will not bring democracy to the Middle East until the enemy (islam and the muslims that spread it) are utterly destroyed.

Destroy the Enemy.

Assalamau Laikum all,

If this new tape does not worry us all (me included) then it should.

I think now that bin Laden may only serve more as an inspirational figure than a CEO, and the war in Iraq is helping focus militants' and anger.

I think that Al-Q now wants to spread but the heart of the Jihad has moved to Iraq.

The spread may include European and moderate Islamic countries to become targets. And alarmingly instead of undergoing lengthy training at camps, "recruits" have been quickly indoctrinated at home and deployed on attacks.

The US cannot leave Iraq. In wanting to spread democracy in Iraq, many muslims think that the US and Iraq are in "wedlock" much like Mohd. and Aiesha.

Muhd was an elder statesman marrying the young Aiesha. US is like that with Iraq taking the role of Aiesha....she has growing pains but is loyal to her "husband".

If the US tries to leave, like a loyal wife the insurgents will follow you back to the US....is this what you want?

Al Qaeda's switch from spectacular attacks that require years of planning to smaller, to more numerous strikes on softer targets that can be carried out swiftly with little money or outside help is very worrying.

They have benefited from the rapid spread of radical Islam's message among potential recruits worldwide who are motivated by Al Qaeda's anti- Western doctrine, the continuing Palestinian-Israeli conflict and the insurgency in Iraq.

I'm afraid we are all in trouble.

Naseem notes:

"I think that Al-Q now wants to spread but the heart of the Jihad has moved to Iraq. "

President Bush has been saying this for years.

AND

"I'm afraid we are all in trouble"

Yes, You are.

Nova Rocket, you said....

They intentionally bruise themselves so everyone can know how "holy" they are.

Thank you for saying that, it stirred something in my heart.

Yes, Islam is based on self-righteousness. Their display of "holiness" is nothing short of obscene.
It makes you want to throw up.

It is a sick ideology, bent on sheer uniformity, mutilating all beauty and harmony around it.

There is absolutely no free intelectual life, no artistic drive, no quest for aestheticism.

Many years ago, after having lived uninterruptedly in an islamic country for about four years, I travelled to a non-islamic neighboring country. One morning I heard from my hotel window a chorus of women singing.
This moved me deeply. I had not heard such a sound for years, only the prayer call from the mosques, always a self-righteous male voice, sometimes sounding a bit tired.

...And there was a part of my inner being that was longing to hear those beautiful choir voices, that needed them. My soul had become parched from living in a Muslim society.

I for one can't belive the ambivalent nature of the press here in the UK to islam and the very real threat it poses to Western Civilisation. These video releases by the likes of al Zawahri go by almost uncommented on for fear that any form of commedemnation is seen as bigotry by the muslim community and left-wing press.

Stole the oil? If it weren't for western companies there would be no oil. It was they who discovered and extracted it, Muslims just used their militaries to break their contracts and steal it once the infidels developed it into a marketable commodity. Not that publicizing that fact in Islamic countries would make a difference, since stealing from infidels isn't immoral according to Islam.

Now we have all the legal and rational justification to continue to fight you until your power is destroyed or you give in and surrender," he said.

"The days are pregnant and giving birth to new events."

He can wake up from his silly little dream. I will never forsake Jesus Christ AND as an American, I will fight to the death for my freedom....for to not do so would be an offense to our forefathers and those brave men and women who have given their lives for our freedom.

As for the comments on the days being pregnant...this is VERY interesting to Christians, for immediately upon reading this article, the warning that Jesus gave about the last days came to mind...

Read it and see what you think. Pay particular attention to Mat 24:8 Remember that Nation means ethnic group and Kingdom means Country....

Mat 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes.
Mat 24:8 "But all these things are {merely} the beginning of BIRTH PANGS (labor).

Interesting huh? Especially when you consider that these things were written 2,000 years ago.

P.S. God knows the end from the beginning for He is outside of time so He could tell us what was going to happen before it happened.

As for Islam's beliefs...they are demonic and of course, since Satan only has limited power (is not on an equal plane with God), he would know ths prophesy/scriptures and be in a great position to twist it and set muslims up to receive the anti-Christ as well as the non-believing secular pc society.

So many times when I look at guys like al-Zawahiri, I think of Mike Savage's funny comment that many of them (Nasralla, etc.) look like Jewish dentists from Queens.

However, that's not true with Adam Gadahn: he does not look Semitic. He looks something like the serial killer John Gacy. (This Mr. Heavy-Metal Gadahn hurt animals when he was a teen. Bet on it.)

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Dentists-LOL....

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41215000/jpg/_41215544_zawahiri_reu203b.jpg

http://www.milligazette.com/image2003/2004/99_Hizbullah-Hasan-Nasralla.jpg

Assalamau Laikum "the goobs"

You say "As for Islam's beliefs...they are demonic and of course, since Satan only has limited power (is not on an equal plane with God), he would know ths prophesy/scriptures and be in a great position to twist it".

Without getting into the semantics of the devil/god thing, Muhd says that he was the last prophet and that his version of things/events is the final and correct one. Christians he says twisted the stories and introduced much falsehoods , he straightened things out...I don't understand where you are getting your facts from....please read the Koran.

The theme over the last 50 years or so has been "tolerence" and understanding. Well, we are about to "tolerence" ourselves out of existence, you understand?

I am amazed at those who can't see, or are indifferent to, the growing threat.

Not out of existence. The day will come when the West will stop the tolerance and people will know where they stand. It will take some time but those fanatics are steadily walking towards the trap. Their backward ideology is bound to clash with the values of those who hate tyranny.

Then mosques will burn...

Funny that they ask us to convert to their ideological crap.

Naseem, the goobs gets her info from the Bible. Not a proven wrong psuedo science book based on a murdering , raping, pyscho pedophilia loving criminal.

Thanks for the warning

P.S. regarding allah and Jehovah.

If something is different...it is NOT the same.

Amongst other threats AQ predicted no British troops would leave Afghanistan alive

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2353153,00.html

At the same time whilst those in Afghanistan are fighting hard NATO can't find any country willing to contribute more troops

"Despite his appeal, the newspaper said, the 26-nation alliance has not volunteered a single extra combat soldier.

Turkey, Germany, Spain and Italy have all effectively ruled out sending more troops. France has not committed itself either way, but military sources in Kabul said that there were no expectations that the French would contribute to a new battlegroup, especially now that they were providing a substantial force to police the UN-monitored ceasefire in Lebanon."

Nice to see the West pulling together........

Naseem

Why dont you compare Mohammed's "science" with that of the Bible. Try visiting www.understandthetimes.org/101scientific.shtml

Just trying to help!

"We have repeatedly warned you and offered a truce with you. Now we have all the legal and rational justification to continue to fight you until your power is destroyed or you give in and surrender," he said. "The days are pregnant and giving birth to new events."


Well George, I guess you better increase the number of student visas for these rag-heads to come to American medical students in the states.

After all, you wouldn't want to have American kids in those classes now would you?

Oh yes, and I suggest that those high level "Top-Secret" security clearence posts over at Dod take in more rag-heads too; especially in Michigan.

Well George, my ideas on fighting the war on terror would use other options, but you wouldn't like those options.

SHUT UP KERRY! I THINK YOU'RE WORTHLESS TOO -- MORE SO THAN GEORGE!

"Without getting into the semantics of the devil/god thing, Muhd says that he was the last prophet and that his version of things/events is the final and correct one. Christians he says twisted the stories and introduced much falsehoods , he straightened things out...I don't understand where you are getting your facts from....please read the Koran. "

nashmee we don't believe the ramblings of a pedophile illiterate who had mental disease and we read the koran only when we are on short of low quality sci-fiction

Our enemy is hiding in plain sight.

15,000 Saudi's in U.S. universities this Fall.

Madness.

Have you seen the muslim pukes at Concordia University in Montreal ?

They rant just like Zawahiri. Same playbook, same song.

They shrieked with joy on 9/11, as did muslim cabbies in Vancouver.

Detention, internment, deportation - send all these bastards into the Hindu Kush so they can send us threatening videos.

Witness....unfortunately, our lefty-liberal universities are BIG BUSINESS.

They can afford to scratch the backs of our politicans....you and I cannot.

As long as they can make money on these foreign students.....and as long as American companies can hire these same foreign students for less money than our more qualified Americans that are being discriminated against for their age/experience (costs more to hire them), these universities and companies will buy Washington to write up those visas.

You and I have no power. Dimmicrats won't change this...they're corrupt too.

What we need in Washington is a clear out and completely NEW patriotic people there and we also need to outlaw special interest groups and lobbying.

What we'll GET is more of the same garbage....right up until we are forced (like Europe) into the one world order.

There are times God brings plagues to nations.
Posted by: NovaRocket

Agreed, but I'd like to add the idea that people also bring plagues on themselves. Choosing Submission is still Free Will after people reach the age of majority. ( 18+ )

Submission (al-Islam) is a plague on Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb. It is a plague on the muslim first and worst and a plague on the infidel because of the muslim.

The evidence of God having cursed them is everywhere, in all of these horrible things -- yet they dare continue to stand up as if they were guided by Him and as if they spoke for Him?

Agreed. Allah hates muslims first and worst. Allah is the plague and Mohammed was the vector.

As I always say, terrorism is the fruit, islam is really the root.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

Agreed - simply but elegantly stated. Thanks.


I'm afraid we are all in trouble.
Posted by: Naseem

Yes, we're all in a terrible mess. Thanks, you bunch of idiots. You won't be satisfied until you engulf the world in flames. Naseem - protect yourself as best you can. Pakistan is in serious, serious trouble.


About the likes of Ayman al Zawahiri, bin Laden and the others: let's stop listening to the words. Use the tapes to find them and kill them.
Hunt them all down and kill them. Let Musharraf and the rest of the Pakis pay the price for the choices they've made. The regime in Paki will fall and we'll have to invade to protect the nukes. When we do, we should stay long enough to remove the nukes and the technical infrastructure as well as all incriminating documents. Then we should leave. Hopefully India will slap them around like the red headed rent-wife they are.

No more chances for our allies, staunch or otherwise.

Eh eh ehe

If we don't "steel" oil from the muslim countries what are they going to do with it ? Have you invented an internal combustion camel ?

And by the way: they had it for 1200 years I count in islamic years !) and they didn't do anything with it.
We found it, we dug it, we refined it and we have a strange thing you know nothing about (it's called INDUSTRY) that needs it.

We also pay for the black stuff. Outrageous prices, too.

A couple of posters on this thread have pointed out shortcomings in the President's speech. I'd like to add one more: He said that "...from Kabul to Baghdad to Beirut, there are brave men and women risking their lives each day for the same freedoms that we enjoy." Why did he omit Tehran???? The mullahs have just shut down a few more newspapers; dissenters are imprisoned every day. Bush's omission of mention of the equally brave Iranians can't be an oversight.

The large black callous on al-Zawahri's forehead is because he bangs his head repeatedly on the floor five times daily to gain understanding in his violently evil religion of peace. But it does no good, he remains thickly stupid. His callous is his 'mark of Cain.'

What shows on his forehead is what forms on his black heart.

Why are Osama Bib Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri still on the loose?

Best synopsis of our situation I've seen so far.

Radical Islam will kill you. Moderate Islam will just stand by and let it happen.

I have a warning for Ayman---Better stay under your rock. We know where you are and your days are numbered. We may have to hurt your protectors feelings, but we will do it soon.


The many faces odf Naseem...
Naseems spelling and grammar are much improved today. Must be taking writing lessons.

Stealing oil from muslim countrys...Everytime I fill up the ole gas tank, and look at my empty wallet, I reflect on who is stealing from who...

In response to some of the comments made above:

I also was nauseated by the several Western talking-heads that I witnessed over the past weekend making the same tired and false statements in regards to Islam being a "great religion".

When will this nonsense end? When will we acknowledge that we are in a war for survival not with Al Qaeda, Hammas or Hezbollah -- we are in a war with what spawned those organizations and continues to spawn more every single year: Islam!

Islam is not some "great and peaceful" relgion to be admired, condoned and perpetuated - Islam is a plague upon the House of Humanity and it must be cast out of the West, at the very least. Ask yourselves if you would feel safe with Muslims as neighbors. Would you want Muslims to babysit your children? Would you want Muslims to take part in your local PTA and push their ideology upon the minds of our youth?

Seriously, ask yourself if you would hold a bloody steak in water infested with sharks and you would be close to putting together a mind's-eye view of what life could be like for our children in twenty years if we do not oppose Islam today and speak openly about this enemy that is circling us with big, toothy smiles and absolute hatred for who we are as a culture.

Islam is the Enemy.

What we need in Washington is a clear out and completely NEW patriotic people there and we also need to outlaw special interest groups and lobbying.

What we'll GET is more of the same garbage....right up until we are forced (like Europe) into the one world order.


I totally agree!

Witness says: "What we need in Washington is a clear out and completely NEW patriotic people there and we also need to outlaw special interest groups and lobbying."

I Agree.

And yep, the status quo is what happens when big corporations run the country!

Assuming for the sake of discussion that the "stealing oil" comment was not a "bone thrown to the West's left", it seams curiously reminiscent of the "Israel stole the land" canard, when in fact much of it was purchased, by Jews. Anybody got a grip on this "we sold it to them/they stole it" dichotomy?

Naseem,

Just a FEW years before mohamMAD was born, the following was written about you and your fellow conspirators:

The angel of the LORD found Hagar (do you KNOW her, Naseem?) near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. And he said, "Hagar, servant of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?"
"I'm running away from my mistress Sarai," she answered.
Then the angel of the LORD told her, "Go back to your mistress and submit to her."
The angel added, "I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count."

The angel of the LORD also said to her:
You are now with child
and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the LORD has heard of your misery.
(Who's Ishmael, Naseem?)

He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers."

... Altogether, Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years. He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his people. His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur. And they lived in hostility toward all their brothers.

Just like the TRUE GOD said and says.

But, Naseem, I'm sure you'll reply with "that Bible was wrong, perverted, ad nauseam, blah blah muslim blah." Spare us, please.

Naseem says:

"I'm afraid we are all in trouble."

I'm afraid you are right, Naseem.

Consider the following from Islam-Australia Inc:

Sharia Law is considered (by some) to be be consistent with
Noahide Law, which is a counterfeit form, which calls for death
by beheading of Christians, and whose supporters denounce Jesus
Christ as being a "dangerous false prophet" as in

http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm

I think you will find that Jesus Christ is the only mediator
between God and man, that He is God the Son, and is our only
means of salvation. Islam has just about passed its use-by
date, and its followers are being used in a vain attempt to
subject the world to a non-Biblical form of Law, as a precursor
to equally non-Biblical Noahide Law.

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Xaragma, you say: "We (Jews, Christians and Muslims) all believe that the Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all) were individuals who received revelation from God and conveyed it to the people."

You ever watch TV or read the news lately?" or aware of Al-Zawahiri's video messages?

Huh?

Could someone take a look at that dark spot on the dear old Doctor Z's forehead? Looks like he has been banging it against the cave walls again. Perhaps he bumped into a stalagmite or stalagtite in the dark.

Well those terror attacks Zawahiri promises will probably come from the 15,000 Saudi STudents that are coming to the U.S.

- Thousands of students from Saudi Arabia are enrolling on college campuses across the United States this semester under a new educational exchange program brokered by President Bush and Saudi King Abdullah Source

New program sends 15,000 Saudis to colleges

Xaragma, you say: "We (Jews, Christians and Muslims) all believe that the Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all) were individuals who received revelation from God and conveyed it to the people."

You ever watch TV or read the news lately?" or aware of Al-Zawahiri's video messages?

Huh?

Sounder, please follow the link below:

http://www.islam-australia.iinet.net.au/consider_islam_web_August_2005.htm

It is what "Islam Australia" says, not what I say.

Xaragma, I therefore extend my apology to you!

Sounder

Nariz,

Your comment is the exact reason why I believe the west (USA and Canada) needs to close it's borders, investigate all new applicants even if it takes 10 years, in the meantime, root out those extremists who don't belong here (buy time to do it right), otherwise we'll have to be prepard to fight this ideology in our midst.

And of course when that happens, the softer public will wonder why the government failed again!

Xaragma, I therefore extend my apology to you!

Sounder

Apology accepted, but not necessary, I know how easy it is to misread someone's intentions in any online formus. I do it myself! :)

Seriously, Australia's Prime Minister, Treasurer and Opposition Leader are all starting to signs of "ticker" when responding to Islamic extremism, though it is a bit late to shut the stable door in Australia. :(

Google "Lakemba" in the News to see what Islam has done (and is doing) for Sydney - car-jackings, home invasions, killings, stabbings, drive-bys and more;
terrorists; bomb threat at Lakemba railway station yesterday (not yet confirmed as by the "religion of peace - TM), but I will not be suprised if it was Wahid, or Fakim, or Abdul who did it.

No need for parameters - Lakemba is enough :(

News alert for all news junkies...

Egyptian forces discover weapons cache en route to Gaza

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761885.html

U.S. hopes Syria joins war on terror after embassy attack

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761776.html

(yeah right...at the same time Iran joins in the war on terror).

Oh, but wait! They ARE going to help!!

Iran offers security help to Iraqi premier

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-09-12T165800Z_01_GEO743062_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsHome-C1-topNews-4

And for your enjoyment...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ-fyst4-7w

Xaragma, I am from Canada and we have been asleep too. But some of us are finally starting to wake up!

Sounder

NEW ATTACKS, NEW ATTACKS!!!

JUST look at one organization has done--the PLO in Palistine:

Late 1950's: Arafat co-founds Fatah, the “Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine.”

– Jan. 1, 1965: Fatah fails in its first attempted attack within Israel — the bombing of the National Water Carrier.

– July 5, 1965: A Fatah cell plants explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir.

– 1965-1967: Numerous Fatah bomb attacks target Israeli villages, water pipes, railroads. Homes are destroyed and Israelis are killed.

– July 1968: Fatah joins and becomes the dominant member of the PLO, an umbrella organization of Palestinian terrorist groups.

– Feb. 4, 1969: Arafat is appointed Chairman of the Executive Committee of the PLO

– Feb. 21, 1970: SwissAir flight 330, bound for Tel Aviv, is bombed in mid-flight by PFLP, a PLO member group. 47 people are killed.

– May 8, 1970: PLO terrorists attack an Israeli schoolbus with bazooka fire, killing nine pupils and three teachers from Moshav Avivim

– Sept. 6, 1970: TWA, Pan-Am, and BOAC airplanes are hijacked by PLO terrorists.

– September 1970: Jordanian forces battle the PLO terrorist organization, driving its members out of Jordan after the group's violent activity threatens to destabilize the kingdom. The terrorists flee to Lebanon. This period in PLO history is called “Black September.”

– May 1972: PFLP, part of the PLO, dispatches members of the Japanese Red Army to attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv, killing 27 people.

– Sept. 5, 1972: Munich Massacre —11 Israeli athletes are murdered at the Munich Olympics by a group calling themselves “Black September,”said to be an arm of Fatah, operating under Arafat's direct command.

– March 1, 1973: Palestinian terrorists take over Saudi embassy in Khartoum. The next day, two Americans –including the United States' ambassador to Sudan, Cleo Noel – and a Belgian were shot and killed. James J. Welsh, an analyst for the National Security Agency from 1969 through 1974, charged Arafat with direct complicity in these murders.

– April 11, 1974: 11 people are killed by Palestinian terrorists who attack apartment building in Kiryat Shmona.

– May 15, 1974: PLO terrorists infiltrating from Lebanon hold children hostage in Ma'alot school. 26 people, 21 of them children, are killed.

– June 9, 1974: Palestinian National Council adopts “Phased Plan,” which calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state on any territory evacuated by Israel, to be used as a base of operations for destroying the whole of Israel. The PLO reaffirms its rejection of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which calls for a “just and lasting peace” and the “right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”

– November 1974: PLO takes responsibility for the PDFLP's Beit She'an murders in which 4 Israelis are killed.

– Nov. 13, 1974: Arafat, wearing a holster (he had to leave his gun at the entrance), addresses the U.N. General Assembly.

– March 1975: Members of Fatah attack the Tel Aviv seafront and take hostages in the Savoy hotel. Three soldiers, three civilians and seven terrorists are killed.

– March 1978: Coastal Road Massacre —Fatah terrorists take over a bus on the Haifa-Tel Aviv highway and kill 21 Israelis.

– 1982: Having created a terrorist mini-state in Lebanon destabilizing that nation, PLO is expelled as a result of Israel's response to incessant PLO missile attacks against northern Israeli communities. Arafat relocates to Tunis.

– Oct. 7, 1985: Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro is hijacked by Palestinian terrorists. Wheelchair-bound elderly man, Leon Klinghoffer, was shot and thrown overboard. Intelligence reports note that instructions originated from Arafat's headquarters in Tunis.

– Dec. 12, 1988: Arafat claims to accept Israel's right to exist.

– September 1993: Arafat shakes hands with Israeli Prime Minister Rabin, inaugurating the Oslo Accords. Arafat pledges to stop incitement and terror, and to foster co-existence with Israel, but fails to comply. Throughout the years of negotiations, aside from passing, token efforts, Arafat does nothing to stop Hamas, PFLP, and Islamic Jihad from carrying out thousands of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. With Arafat's encouragement and financial support, groups directly under Arafat's command, such as the Tanzim and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, also carry out terror attacks.

– Oct. 21, 1996: Speaking at a rally near Bethlehem, Arafat said "We know only one word - jihad. jihad, jihad, jihad. Whoever does not like it can drink from the Dead Sea or from the Sea of Gaza." (Yediot Ahronot, October 23, 1996)

– April 16, 1998: In a statement published in the official Palestinian Authority newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadeeda, Arafat is quoted: "O my dear ones on the occupied lands, relatives and friends throughout Palestine and the diaspora, my colleagues in struggle and in arms, my colleagues in struggle and in jihad...Intensify the revolution and the blessed intifada...We must burn the ground under the feet of the invaders."

– July 2000: Arafat rejects peace settlement offered by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, which would have led to a Palestinian state.

– September 2000: New "intifada" is launched. Arafat continues to incite, support and fund terrorism.

– Jan. 3, 2002: Israelis intercept the Karine-A, a ship loaded with 50 tons of mortars, rocket launchers, anti-tank mines and other weapons intended for the Palestinian war against the Israelis. The captain admits he was under the command of the Palestinian Authority.

– September 2003: IMF report titled "Economic Performance and Reforms under Conflict Conditions," states that Arafat has diverted $900 million of public PA funds into his own accounts from 1995 - 2000.

Below are some of the attacks since Sept 2000 perpetrated by groups under Arafat's command:

– May 29, 2001: Gilad Zar, an Itamar resident, was shot dead in a terrorist ambush by Fatah Tanzim.

– May 29, 2001: Sara Blaustein, 53, and Esther Alvan, 20, of Efrat, were killed in a drive-by shooting south of Jerusalem. The Fatah Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.

– June 18, 2001: Doron Zisserman, 38, shot and killed in his car by Fatah sniper fire.

– Aug 26, 2001: Dov Rosman, 58, killed in a shooting attack by Fatah terrorist.

– Sept 6, 2001: Erez Merhavi, 23, killed in a Fatah Tanzim ambush shooting near Hadera while driving to a wedding.

– Sept 20, 2001: Sarit Amrani, 26, killed by Fatah terrorist snipers as she was traveling in a car with her husband and 3 children.

– Oct 4, 2001: 3 killed, 13 wounded, when a Fatah terrorist, dressed as an Israeli paratrooper, opened fire on Israeli civilians waiting at the central bus station in Afula.

– Nov 27, 2001 - 2 killed 50 injured when two Palestinian terrorists opened fire with Kalashnikov assault rifles on a crowd of people near the central bus station in Afula. Fatah and the Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility.

– Nov 29, 2001: 3 killed and 9 wounded in a suicide bombing on an Egged 823 bus en route from Nazereth to Tel Aviv near the city of Hadera. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Dec 12, 2001 - 11 killed and 30 wounded when three terrorists attacked a bus and several passenger cars with a roadside bomb, anti-tank grenades, and light arms fire near the entrance to Emmanuel in Samaria . Both Fatah and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Jan 15, 2002: Avi Boaz, 71, an American citizen, was kidnapped at a PA security checkpoint in Beit Jala. His bullet-riddled body was found in a car near Bethlehem. The Fatah's Al-Aksa Brigade claimed responsibility for the murder.

– Jan 15, 2002: Yoela Chen, 45, was shot dead by an Al Aqsa Brigade terrorist

– Jan 17, 2002: 6 killed, 35 wounded when a Fatah terrorist burst into a bat mitzva reception in a banquet hall in Hadera opening fire with an M-16 assault rifle.

– Jan 22, 2002: 2 killed, 40 injured when a Fatah terrorist opened fire with an M-16 assault rifle near a bus stop in downtown Jerusalem.

– Jan. 27, 2002: One person was killed and more than 150 were wounded by a female Fatah suicide bomber in the center of Jerusalem.

– Feb 6, 2002 - A mother and her 11 year old daughter were murdered in their home by a Palestinian terrorist disguised in an IDF uniform. Both Fatah and Hamas claimed responsibility.

– Feb 18, 2002 : - Ahuva Amergi, 30, was killed and a 60-year old man was injured when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire on her car. Maj. Mor Elraz, 25, and St.-Sgt. Amir Mansouri, 21, who came to their assistance, were killed while trying to intercept the terrorist. The terrorist was killed when the explosives he was carrying were detonated. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Feb 22, 2002: Valery Ahmir, 59, was killed by terrorists in a Fatah drive-by shooting north of Jerusalem as he returned home from work.

– Feb 25, 2002: Avraham Fish, 65, and Aharon Gorov, 46, were killed in a Fatah terrorist shooting attack south of Bethlehem. Fish's daughter, 9 months pregnant, was seriously injured but delivered a baby girl.

– Feb 25, 2002: Police officer 1st Sgt. Galit Arbiv, 21, died after being fatally shot, when a Fatah terrorist opened fire at a bus stop in the Neve Ya'akov residential neighbhorhood in northern Jerusalem. Eight others were injured.

– Feb 27, 2002: Gad Rejwan, 34, of Jerusalem, was shot and killed by one of his Palestinian employees in a factory north of Jerusalem. Two Fatah groups issued a joint statement taking responsibility for the murder.

– March 2, 2002: A suicide bombing by Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhood of Jerusalem killed 11 people and injured more than 50.

– Mar 5, 2002: 3 were killed and over 30 people were wounded in Tel-Aviv when a Fatah terrorist opened fire on two adjacent restaurants shortly after 2:00 AM.

– Mar 5, 2002: Devorah Friedman, 45, of Efrat, was killed and her husband injured in a Fatah shooting attack on the Bethlehem bypass "tunnel road", south of Jerusalem.

– Mar 9, 2002: Avia Malka, 9 months, and Israel Yihye, 27, were killed and about 50 people were injured when two Fatah terrorists opened fire and threw grenades at cars and pedestrians in the coastal city of Netanya on Saturday evening, close to the city's boardwalk and hotels.

–March 21, 2002: An Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bomber exploded himself in a crowd of shoppers in Jerusalem, killing 3 and injuring 86.

– March 29, 2002: Two killed and 28 injured when a female Fatah suicide bomber blew herself up in a Jerusalem supermarket.

– March 30, 2002: One killed and 30 injured in an Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bombing in Tel Aviv.

– April 12, 2002: Six killed and 104 wounded when a female Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bomber blew herself up at a bus stop on Jaffa road at the entrance to Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda open-air market.

– May 27, 2002: Ruth Peled, 56, of Herzliya and her infant granddaughter, aged 14 months, were killed and 37 people were injured when a Fatah suicide bomber detonated himself near an ice cream parlor outside a shopping mall in Petah Tikva.

– May 28, 2002 - Albert Maloul, 50, of Jerusalem, was killed when shots were fired by Fatah terrorists at the car in which he was traveling south on the Ramallah bypass road.

– May 28, 2002 - Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade terrorists killed Netanel Riachi, 17, Gilad Stiglitz, 14, and Avraham Siton, 17, three yeshiva high school students playing basketball.

– June 19, 2002: Seven people were killed and 37 injured when a Fatah suicide bomber blew himself up at a crowded bus stop and hitchhiking post in the French Hill neighborhood of Jerusalem.

– June 20, 2002: Rachel Shabo, 40, and three of her sons - Neria, 16, Zvika, 12, and Avishai, 5 - as well as a neighbor, Yosef Twito, 31, who came to their aid, were murdered when a terrorist entered their home in Itamar, south of Nablus, and opened fire. Two other children were injured, as well as two soldiers. The PFLP and the Fatah Al Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

– July 25, 2002: Rabbi Elimelech Shapira, 43, was killed in a Fatah shooting attack near the West Bank community of Alei Zahav.

– July 26, 2002: St.-Sgt. Elazar Lebovitch, 21, of Hebron; Rabbi Yosef Dikstein, 45, of Psagot, his wife Hannah, 42, and their 9-year-old son Shuv'el Zion were killed in a Fatah Al Aqsa Brigade shooting attack south of Hebron. Two other of their children were injured. – July 30, 2002: Shlomo Odesser, 60, and his brother Mordechai, 52, both of Tapuach in Samaria, were shot and killed when their truck came under Fatah fire in the West Bank village of Jama'in.

– Aug 4, 2002: 2 killed and 17 wounded when a Fatah terrorist opened fire with a pistol near the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem's Old City.

– Aug 5, 2002: Avi Wolanski (29) and his wife Avital (27), of Eli, were killed and one of their children, aged 3, was injured when terrorists opened fire on their car as they were traveling on the Ramallah-Nablus road in Samaria. The Martyrs of the Palestinian Popular Army, a splinter group associated with Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Aug 10, 2002: Yafit Herenstein, 31, of Moshav Mechora in the Jordan Valley, was killed and her husband, Arno, seriously wounded when a Fatah terrorist infiltrated the moshav and opened fire outside their home.

– Sept 18, 2002: Yosef Ajami, 36, was killed when Fatah terrorists opened fire on his car near Mevo Dotan, north of Jenin in the West Bank.

– Oct 29, 2002: Three people, including 2 fourteen year olds, were shot to death by a Fatah terrorist.

-- Nov 10, 2002: Revital Ohayon, 34, and her two sons, Matan, 5, and Noam, 4, as well as Yitzhak Dori, 44 - all of Kibbutz Metzer - and Tirza Damari, 42, were killed when a Fatah terrorist infiltrated the kibbutz, located east of Hadera near the Green Line, and opened fire.

– Nov 28, 2002: 5 killed and 40 wounded when two Fatah terrorists opened fire and threw grenades at the Likud polling station in Beit She'an, near the central bus station, where party members were casting their votes in the Likud primary.

– Apr 24, 2003 - 1 was killed and 13 were wounded in a suicide bombing outside the train station in Kfar Sava. Groups related to the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the PFLP clamied joint responsibility for the attack.

– May 5, 2003 - Gideon Lichterman, 27, was killed and two other passengers, his six-year-old daughter Moriah and a reserve soldier, were seriously wounded when Fatah terrorists fired shots at their vehicle in Samaria.

– May 19, 2003: 3 were killed and 70 were wounded in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Amakim Mall in Afula. The Islamic Jihad and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Aug 29, 2003: Shalom Har-Melekh, 25, was killed in a Fatah shooting attack while driving northeast of Ramallah. His wife, Limor, who was seven months pregnant, sustained moderate injuries, and gave birth to a baby girl by Caesarean section.

– Jan 29, 2004: 11 people were killed and over 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus no. 19 at the corner of Gaza and Arlozorov streets in Jerusalem. Both the Fatah-related Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Mar 14, 2004: 10 were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing at Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.

– May 2, 2004: Tali Hatuel, 34, and her daughters - Hila, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7, and Merav, 2 - of Katif in the Gaza Strip were killed when two Palestinian terrorists fired on an Israeli car at the entrance to the Gaza Strip settlement bloc of Gush Katif. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility for the attack.

NEW ATTACKS??? FROM WHOM??? JUST A FEW

Abu Nidal Organization (ANO)
Abu Sayyaf Group
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
Ansar al-Islam
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
Asbat al-Ansar
Aum Shinrikyo
Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
Communist Party of the Philippines/New People's Army (CPP/NPA)
Continuity Irish Republican Army
Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group)
HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)
Hizballah (Party of God)
Islamic Jihad Group
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM) (Army of Mohammed)
Jemaah Islamiya organization (JI)
al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad)
Kahane Chai (Kach)
Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers' Party, PKK, KADEK)
Lashkar-e Tayyiba (LT) (Army of the Righteous)
Lashkar i Jhangvi
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (GICM)
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK)
National Liberation Army (ELN)
Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLF)
PFLP-General Command (PFLP-GC)
al-Qa’ida
Real IRA
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Revolutionary Nuclei (formerly ELA)
Revolutionary Organization 17 November
Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)
Salafist Group for Call and Combat (GSPC)
Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso, SL)
Tanzim Qa'idat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (QJBR) (al-Qaida in Iraq) (formerly Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad, JTJ, al-Zarqawi Network)
United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC

AND SOME SAY THERE IS NO WORLD WAR GOING ON.
BAH HUMBUG.

Yes, our President said the phrase I was waiting to hear. That is the only reason I watched the speech, just to see if he had "gotten it" yet. Nope.
About the movie "Path to 9-11" (Good movie), did you catch the part where the guy was informing on a terrorist, and went into the "nobody can find a job" BS... therefore we must be terrorists. Job or terrorism....hmmm.

I just had to find the exact words our intellectually-challenged (or saudiized) President mouthed on our day of mourning (instead of a day of infamy requiring retribution):

from the Washington post:

"His [Bush's] speech last night featured many of the themes highlighted in those(*)speeches: the idea that the United States is facing a network of extremists driven by a "perverted vision of Islam," the notion that the Middle East enjoyed a long period of false stability in the years leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks, and the proposition that the government has made serious strides in protecting the United States from terrorist attack."

"a peverted vision of Islam"--oh my, however does one pervert a perversion?
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*Bush has sought to shift public opinion in the past two weeks with speeches aimed at explaining the nature and goals of radical Islamists and putting the war in Iraq in a broader -- and, he hopes, more popular -- context.

Hey, exsgtbrown!

Greetings, I come in peace, BUT when has "Kahane Chai (Kach)" ever attacked the US, Europeans, or any other purportedly innocent people?

Hi Carolyn2,

From your LGFlink:

"Every single 9/11 hijacker was Arab and a Muslim. The apologists (including President Bush) tried to reassure us that 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam, but was a twisting of a great and noble religion. With all due respect, read the Koran, Mr. President. There’s enough there for someone of extreme tendencies to find their way to a global jihad."

--written by an Arab (American).

This cannot be repeated often enough:

"President Bush) tried to reassure us that 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam, but was a twisting of a great and noble religion."

Frank, Adam Gadahn really looks as if was that chubby (I'm being kind here.) kid in Phys. Ed. who never could do anything and was always whining about something. I also think that he likely operated the slide or movie projector. He's paying us back because he was always the last one chosen on a baseball team.

Pelayo,

Watch it -- you might be hurting some of us. I was not a chubby kid, but a very skinny kid, and got beat up all the time in Phys Ed. I got lousy grades, and probably graduated high school with my class only because my father was a big shot. I WAS the school movie projectionist (which was GREAT because I was always being called out of class to run a movie for some teacher somewhere in the school - pretty cool when one is in 5th grade). But this hasn't turned me into a degenerate, a killer, a psycopath, i.e. a muslim.

Are there movie projectionists in islam?

Art Cove, When I was in high school I was 6'-1" and weighed 140 lbs. soaking wet. Now I am 58 about the same height and weigh 165. Wait until you are 58 and see those big athletic guys at your next reunion. They are much bigger and a lot less athletic if you know what I mean. I did not mean to be cruel, but Adam does remind me of a kid in school, but this one was a late bloomer and grew up to be a physicist.

During Zawhahiri's diatribe, I found myself wondering if the hematoma in the center of his forehead was the result of pressing same to the floor 5 times a day...

actually l think its a bullseye marker when the US military find him in his wee cave.

You know, the MSM and Moonbat parade are willfully ignorant of the wrath that "pure" Islam is spreading across the globe. They refuse to see. I hear conservative leaders say that another attack is what is needed to embolden the American public. I unfortunately disagree. 9/11 was and is an immense tragedy. Something that goes beyond the very worst nightmares any American had on 9/10/01. Pain. Suffering. Rage.

The War on Terror had begun. But America's habits of watching football, reading magazines, and anything other than being engaged as a citizen quickly took back over. We lost focus as a nation. This problem of non-participation by John and Jane Q. Public is the very reason another attack would only galvanize the public a little while longer. Meanwhile, the Islamic "purists" keep planning, waiting, and acting. Over and Over.

The MSM is part of American thought. I wish I could have faith in America as a country to endure and fight. I CERTAINLY DO HAVE faith in our soldiers. But America is drifting slowly to the left. Even 9/11 has not redirected the nation as a whole. Unless there is a major change in the collective psyche, which is produced by what people focus on, which is predominately the MSM in all its forms, I cannot see a final victory.

We almost elected Gore. We almost elected Kerry. We are very close to electing Hillary. These politicians would not have a prayer if the public was awake and paying attention. But, we keep on keeping on.

We loose focus. The terrorists will never loose focus. Unless things change, I am afraid that when the vast majority of Americans wake up from the stupor they seem to be in, we will be in a very different world.

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The Atlanticist IHT features an editorial by Greg Mills appealing for negotiating with Taliban:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/12/opinion/edmills.php

I strongly disagree with this. An ISI-sponsored organization is not "Pashtun Nationalist"
ISI does not support Pashtun nationalism, it supports Islamic fundamentalism to destroy Pashtun nationalism, Baloch nationalism, etc.
There is no way that Greg Mills could be that stupid -- his article must clearly be recognized as deliberately misleading propaganda.

Western liberals are increasingly composed of Euro-centrists masquerading their Atlanticist agenda under the guise of liberal humanitarianism.
And of course the naive will suck up every word of it.

Selective or slanted liberalism is not liberalism at all.

I can't wait to see the look on Zawahiri's face when we apprehend and imprison both HIM and Ousamah bin Looney Tunes!!

THAT'S WHAT'S NEXT!

al-Zawahiri is like a dog in heat. He is lusting for American bloodshed. What a desperrate filthy pig.

He knows his days are numbered.

let me ask anyone here this question:
Why does Islamists claim Israel's territory as their own when God gave the land to Israel after they were freed from the slavery of Egypt?

Islam didn't come along for many millineum later.
Muhammed was a pediphile, pirate, and rapist.
Allah didn't give Israel this land. No; it was the true God of Israel who did. Muslems are the dogs that beg for scrapes from the Master's table. Salvation comes from the Jews and through Jesus Christ...THE ONLY SAVIOR OF MANKIND

These radical Muslims are deluded, desperate and full of pride. But if they obtain a nuclear weapon, they will use it against us all!

We should pursue them with everything we have until they are no more.

No mercy for murderers and liars. Let 'Allah' give them their just rewards

I wonder what they are going to do to us this time. They want to kill a few million americans this time, I have been thinking how are they going to do this. I knew years ago they would take planes and thought they would hit either the pentagon, white house and yes the towers but I also thought they would hit a nuclear power plant as that would really get us. Why didn't they do this on 9-11? It would have been so easy as you can not miss them from the air. Then I thought if they wanted to cause mass destruction in a wide spread area all over the US at the same time they could take one day and set off all those gas stations they all seem to own and run in this good ole US. Whe could not handle that on such a large scale. Why would we even allow these people to own and run all these gas stations. Maybe they will send one of these students over here pregant with bird flu or some other awful virus. All I know is we are in serious trouble as they are hell bent on bringing us to our knees and it has nothing to with oil, it has to do with their madness to control the world. I am afraid for our american people and our way of life and feel it is a sad thing but if we do not forget about being politically correct and bomb the hell out of the entire middle east we will suffer in the end. They are rasing and training their little children to hate us already and in 10 years they are coming here to kill us some more it will never end. Some of you are right about cleaning house in D.C. but in the end we will either have to kill 10's of thousands of them or they will do it to us. We should close our borders, lock down tight, throw every arab, muslim, middle eastern person out which is not "politically correct" but so what it is our lives on the line here and I could care less about their tiny feelings. I dont want my gradchildren to deal with this and frankly they could not handle it anyway. It is hard to try to figure out what they are going to do to us, you have to think like a crazed insane person with a wild imagation on a grand scale. I can not believe we are still letting these "students" or any of them in here it just boggles my mind and for the life of me I just can not think what is going on with our leaders. And more distrubing is that show I watch about the 9-11 commisson and the translator woman that they fired because she spoke up about what the other translators were saying, it was about time we get what we deserve and they were not doing the translations correctlly on purpose. I was shocked but not surprised, these people are for their Allah and themselves first and are not true americans and never will be. God help us all...

Naseem,

You're right. We are all in trouble. Please do not enter into a debate with those here who would sidetrack you about who has read their koran or their Bible or their Torah or their Bhagavad Gita or whatever and what is the correct way to understand all these texts. I detect a questioning spirit in you striving to make sense of the world and I admire your courage in posting here even though I frequently disagree with what you have to say.

Sometimes you come across as intensly moslem and very arrogant and on other occassions as very questioning and full of doubt - in other words, human! It seems to be that you are striving to formulate some inchoate feeling about the world and about spirituality (yours in particular, but ours also). It appears, as well, that you are awake to the fact that islam does not have all, or many, of the correct answers but that you are loathe to move away from islam because, in some sense, or senses, it has served you well in the past and you probably hope that it will serve you well in the future, also.

Don't be afraid of change in yourself. Maturity and growth are part of being human and getting older. Seeing Christian scriptural, or Mohammedan koranic, certainty as being silly and anti-human is part of the process of discovering God for yourself and realising that God gave you your brain and your intellect and commanded you to use them - and that the Great Creator did not impose limits on that use.

Reason, my dear Naseem, just reason with an openess to new thoughts and new ways of thinking should help - and getting out of Pakistan before something horrible happens to you. You know that you are not safe there. Please move if you can.

Dominic.

Assalamau Laikum Dominic,

I know that lots of horrible things can happen in Pak. Particularily if Mushi goes, and a more redical leader from the MMA/army takes over.

I see that they did not allow common law to (protect womens) overtake holy ordained law about rape in Pak (i.e. that a woman needs to provide 4 witness that she was raped).

These non-sensical things need to change, but moving away from Pak...how can one do that. I moved from the UK back to Pak...this is my home.

My business, my childrens and the memories that I shrare with my (now deceased) Anwer are all here in Lahore.

Also despite all that peoples say on this forum, a lot of Pakis at the street level are good honest and friendly muslims. Ofcourse it is difficult to know what a person is really thinking (only Allah can know this) so I really try to keep my distance from somebody new until I get to know them well...both religiously and politically.

Many of the womens don't even know that there is a big wide world out there which jihadists are trying to burn in the name of Islam....many secretly support them in their heart after watching images of the ummha being decimated in Lebanon.

The one thing about Al-Q is that they are focussed and remain focused. They have shifted their focus from killing thousands to killing millions of mainly Kafur.

Ofcourse the retilatory srikes from the Amerekie may well come my way...striking at the heart of my business, my livlihood and way of living.

But is it my fault? ...should I suffer because of the madness others in my midst? Is it my fight?

Well it's not my fault and I will suffer...but it is my fight...I know that much.

Allah has shown all that Islam will rule the world, you cannot defeat Islam, this rule is inevitable and we should all prepare for it sensibly.

The question you should really ask yourself is not about fighting ordained law for the world but "what type of Islam should rule the world?"

Nobody wants the Jihadist to rule...they only like to die anyway...my advice...learn about the Ahmadi...support the Ahmadi and convert to Ahmadi. The more of us there is the better chance there is that WE together will rule...it will be Allah's will but with sensible watered down sharia policies.

to every action there is a reaction. American strikes can be avoided. The killing must be stopped by the terrorists. But as you say, the "Jihadists" like to die.

As they continue to kill, the world is becoming transformed to a kill or be killed attitude. You may see American strikes, but you may also see British, German, French , Spanish, Italian, Japanese, Phillipino, Danish, Swedish, Polish, or even Indian strikes--all aimed at killing misguided Muslims. The strikes will grow in intensity, many will die.

Muslim actions around the world have given Muslims a bad name, already you are seeing profiling, security checks, anti-Muslim protests,and anti-Muslim attitudes are rising. The world will rise to fight the fight the Muslims have started. Muslims even kill their own. In the animal kingdom rarely does one species kill their own. Muslims do not trust anyone not even amonst themselves. Muslims believe only in violence. Much like the thugs in India, the boxers in China, The Black Panther Party in America and others who thrived on violence, who have had their their moment in history only to fade away never really achieving any goal they set upon, the Muslims too, destine themselves to a footnote in history.

When Osama and Al-Zawahiri are dead and gone, the fight will continue, When Nasarallah and Ahmadinejad are gone and the Ayatollahs lose their stranglehold on the people the fight will continue, when Hamas,Hizbollah and Fatah are gone the fight will continue, When the Taliban and the PLO are gone, the fight will continue, When organizations like CAIR and AL-Jezeera are gone , the fight will continue.

Only when the evil text the Qur'an is destroyed will there be peace.Muslim people could be an asset to the world, instead they choose to be a scourge dedicated to death. It is death they seek and it is death they will get. As each day goes by, you will see more people willing to deal death to Muslims no matter where they are. There will be no negotiations, no appeasement and no surrender.

Muslims have dealt the cards and now they must play them. They have a losing hand.

Naughty Naseem,

Proselytizing again, eh? I can't let you lie to my friends, Naseem. In Islam, your choices are:

1) Death
2) Slavery/dhimmitude (available only to the POB)
3) Conversion/reversion to Orthodox Islam

"People of the Book" (POB) refers to Jews and Christians (the "book" referring to the Taurat and the Injeel). Rarely, other faiths have been included (Hindus). Apostates and heretical sects, to my knowledge, have not.

Ahmadiyyas are considered heretics in your native Pak, Naseem, please admit this.

You fail to inform the readers that your spiritual leader said things about Jesus that would make Mohammed blush. When you show evidence of having read the Taurat and the Injeel, I might not repost the following every time I see your "da'wa".

For anyone wanting a refresher on the Ahmadi faith, I offer the following:

In brief, Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who founded the Ahmadiyya movement in Islam (circa 1899) in Qadiyan in Punjab, India, declared himself to be the Promised Messiah (masih) and Mahdi, producing a nonviolent sect of Islam by essentially nullifying the Qur'anic notion of naskh, by which the Medinan suras abrogated the Meccan suras (which we all know as the Religion of Peace(TM)). The purpose of this was become an antidote to Protestant Christian evangelism. He thus became a prolific anti-Christian writer, denying the crucifixion, claiming Jesus swooned or feigned death on the cross, then traveled to Afghanistan and finally India, lived to an age of 120 years thereafter, and was buried in Srinajar (now in Kashmir) under the name Yus Asaf. Ahmad also denied the ascension of Jesus as well as his title of Messiah (both accepted by the Qur'an). His followers state Jesus was an unaccomplished prophet, excelling only at deception and fraud. Thus, the Ahmadis, as founded, are a more virulently anti-Christian movement ideologically/theologically, if not militarily, than mainstream Islam.

The Lahore, Pakistan, branch of Ahmadis (ahmadiyya anjuman ishaat-i Islam) sees Ahmad as a reformer (mujaddid) of Islam, but most Islamic majority countries see Ahmad and his followers as heretics. In 1984, the Pakistani government banned Islamic forms of worship by the Ahmadis.

This topic has been discussed additionally on the previous thread:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012581.php#comments

some of the links are reproduced here:

http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol1/9c.html
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html
http://www.aaiil.org/uk/newsletters/2001/1001ukbulletin.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahore_Ahmadiyya_Movement

Rest assured Naseem, no matter what your dirty book says, this world will not be Islamic. The way you gloss over the violence that it would take to accomplish this is nauseating. Infidels will not stand for it and will scorch the entire crust of this planet to keep it from happening.

2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Yes, we will die for our faith, too, Naseem.

Naseem said:

Allah has shown all that Islam will rule the world, you cannot defeat Islam, this rule is inevitable and we should all prepare for it sensibly.

The question you should really ask yourself is not about fighting ordained law for the world but "what type of Islam should rule the world?"

===============================================

It is the defeat of Islam that is inevitable; God intends to gather the (largely Islamic) nations against Israel, and to destroy them in the battle described in Ezekiel 38 / 39 (Gog and Magog), or Yajuj wa Majuj, if you prefer.

No type of Islam should "rule the world", and nor will it, for righteousness does not come "ordained law", but is a free gift based solely on the death of Jesus Christ in place of the undeserving sinner
(eg me!). It is accepted by grace through in Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately, humans reject this truth, and turn to substitutes such as that promised by Islam, Noahides, Dominionist Christianity etc.

You mention Mahdi; Pres Ahmadinejad believes that there is not yet enough clash & disaster to bring about "mahdaviat" as below. He clearly intends to sow to the wind; he will just as surely reap the whirlwind. It is an impending tragedy for Iran, Islam, and any who aid or abet, as well as victims.

http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=2094&cid=2&sid=4

Ahmadinejad 'Mahdaviat' Demands 'Global Chaos Creation'
Iqbal Latif-Paris - 8/31/2006

It is argued that "Presidential obsession" with 'mahdaviat' leads Mr.
Ahmadinejad to "a conviction that leaves little room for compromise.
He thinks that the Mahdi will come in near future as his knight in
shining armour? The only missing link that in Presidents opinion
delays Mahdi's arrival is that world is still far too peaceful, the
degree of clash and disasters that will set the chain of celestial
events of 'mahdaviat' have to gather speed. The recent mess in Lebanon
by his proxies was a component of that uncompromising ideological
fixation. The altercation with America and Israel and wish to empower
Iran with nuclear programs are all designed to lay the foundation for
the Mahdi's return." Creation of universal strife and commotion is
very much a part of mahdaviat. Peace and cohabitation in the world
means 'mahdaviat' becomes superfluous. Iranian President is duty bound
to help create environ which is conducive to Mahdi return,
unfortunately 'universal peace' does not help the prophecies that are
integral part of his understanding of the scriptures.

[... ...]

Wow Naseem - You are doubly burdened! Not only a Muslim, but an Ahmadi (non) Muslim. Aren't you afraid the "mainstream" Muslims will take off your head, since the Ahmadi sect is apparently considered a heresy?

Come into the modern world and leave all of this religious fantasy behind! Life can be beautiful when you throw off these shackles and find what's real in life. As a clue, look at the persons who benefit from each philosophy (usually weak men, many with homosexual leanings, who can't make it in the real world).

You think they can conquer us? That would be like a diseased dog conquering a lion. We are waiting for the next attack within our borders, after which the Muslim middle east will be one big "french fry".

"Ofcourse the retilatory srikes from the Amerekie may well come my way...striking at the heart of my business, my livlihood and way of living.

But is it my fault?"

yes, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem

"Allah has shown all that Islam will rule the world, you cannot defeat Islam, this rule is inevitable and we should all prepare for it sensibly."

hahallah is a delusional twat who said the earth is flat. Enough said

""what type of Islam should rule the world?""

hahah, none







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