Bosnian Muslim President Izetbgovic linked to Al-Qaeda

So what if Alija Izetbegovic is now revealed as an Islamist. Its too late and the damage has been done to the Serbs, who are unlikely to get back Kosovo.

The real question is, have we learnt anything from this revelation, or are we just going to repeat the same mistakes.

It seems not, as the same demonisation of the Serbs that took place prior to dismantling Yugoslavia and Kosovo, is now being heaped on Israel.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't he a officer in the Muslim SS division of the German army during the last war, and while the atrocities committed by the normal SS were bad enough these were even worse and shocked even the SS, if that was possible. He was always a nasty piece of work and should have gone to grave decades ago. The hypocrisy of the west in not putting him on trial with the rest of the war criminals in Den Hague was monumental.

Blowback, kj.

Your comment was not only inane and redundant Gary, but yet again proof of your infantile mentality.

You do a great job of proving how immature you are.

What's dad going to get you for your 14th birthday?

Cheers.

Izetbegovic, it has been charged, was in 1943 a recruiter for the S.S. Handschar Division. Whether he himself served in that division is unknown. He is reported as well to have greeted the Mufti of Jerusalem when the latter arrived to recruit Bosnian Muslims for the special S.S. division.

After the war Izetbegovic was sentenced to several years of imprisonment as a war criminal who had helped the Nazis.

Decades later, Izetbegovic set out, in writing, his desire to impose the Shari'a, the Holy Law of Islam, in Bosnia, and then ultimately, he hoped, elsewhere in the Balkans. If you were a Serb, such writing, such talk, would terrify you. It would terrify you because of the centuries of Ottoman Turkish rule, the centuries of the devshirme (the imposed levy on Christian, and sometimes Jewish, male children, snatched for service in the Sultan's armies). It would terrify you because of the centuries of mistreatment of non-Muslims, the Christians and Jews, whose lives under Islam have, by some credulous souls, been misinterpreted as part of some wonderful Balkan equivalent to the hollow "convivencia" that the maria-rosa-menocals of this world, following the romantic fables of Sir Walter Scott ("The Talisman" about Saladin's nobility), Chateaubriand ("Le dernier des Abencerages" about Granada), and Washington Irving ("Tales of the Alhambra") , concocated and employed for purely literary effect, as part of what, taxonically, is often described as literary Romanticism.

Izetbegovic's sinister plans so terrified many Serbs that they didn't know where to turn. And what made the whole situation far more worrisome for them, and their condition far more pitiable, was that the Western world showed complete indifference to the history of Muslim rule, or to what Izetbegovic's Shari'a-plans meant, were taken to mean, by many intellignet Serbs.

After all, most of the Western world has seen fit not to understand the nature of the permanent Lesser Jihad against Israel (and so have many Israelis), and many have abandoned Israel, and instead taken the side of its implacable Muslim enemies. And the entire Western world abandoned the Christians of Lebanon during the Civil War, with Le Monde and The Times formulaically describing them as the "right-wing Christians" though what caused the Christian farmers and villagers to earn the epithet "right-wing" is unclear. And there was also the example of the abandonment of the Chrsitians of Nigeria during the Biafra War of 1967-69, in which only two countries, Ghana and Israel, even dared to recognize the government of Biafra, and while Egyptian pilots gleefully, and entirely unopposed, strafed Ibo villages and killed tens of thousands, not a single Western government came to the aid of the Biafrans, who consited of the Ibo and other Christianized tribes, in their attempt to defend themselves what Colonoel Ojukwu rightly described, in the Ahiara Declaration, as a "Jihad" by the Muslims of northern Nigeria, aided by Muslims outside Nigeria.

Of course, in their panic, the Serbs chose Milosevich, and he, in turn, as the West continued to show no comprehension or sympathy, became ever more aggressive and violent. If only the Western world had shown even the slightest udnerstanding of Serbian fears, much might have been done to change things, and certainly no NATO bombing of the Serbs should ever have taken place.

By the way, there is a picture of the apparent head of a group or grouplet -- one does not know if the Center for Islamic Pluralism, exists for much beyond attracting money, the money from foundations, from the government, from individuals, those will find the idea immediately pollyannishly plausible, and will feed the pockets of all those who have involved in this venture, for feelgood is funded while those who present a more accurate, more disturbing picture, those who fail to be convinced by the "moderate Muslims are the solution" mantra which, after all, is exactly what lies behind the Light-Unto-the-Muslim-Nations Project in Iraq -- setting up those "moderate Muslim" states run by and for those "moderate Muslims" who will be "the solution" to "the problem" -- and which is of little help in combatting the menace, and contributes nothing to understanding the nature and instruments, of Jihad.

You might enjoy going to the website of this Center to view the photograph of the Weiss-Schwartz-Syndrome sufferer, praying at the grave of Alia Izetbegovic. Simply click here

http://www.islamicpluralism.org/bios.htm

and scroll down.

A little bit more on Izetbegovic from previous postings, including one by me and another by "miira" (giving a link to Ivo Andric's doctoral dissertation on the influence of Turksih rule on the cultural level of Bosnia) and from an article found about his efforts for the Handjar (Handschar) S. S. Division:

1.

"Regan goes on to mention the “Jewish religious zealot, who believed in 1995 that there was ‘a religious commandment’ to kill Yitzhak Rabin,” the “whole decades-long situation in Northern Ireland,” the “Christian militias who murdered hundreds of people in the Lebanese refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in 1982,” and “Serbian Christians who murdered 20,000 Muslims in 1995.” Not one example, in other words, of Jews or Christians murdering innocents because they believed their religion had been insulted."
--- from the article above

Regan's "bad faith" is demonstrated in the absurdity of his examples. He does not mention the millions of victims of Muslim religious fanaticsim, the fanaticism that, in a previous age, everyone from Montaigne and Spinoza and Hume and Diderot, to John Quincy Adams and Tocqueville and Winston Churchill (see his famous paragraph on Muslim fanaticism in "The River War")noted.
Instead, he finds a handful of examples that supposedly support his view that "religious fanaticism" is an equal-opportunity employer, and there is nothing about Islam as a belief-system that should make us think its adherents are particularly susceptible to fanatical fits of murderous hatred. Well, let's take Regan's adduced examples in turn, and see if he is right about Islam, or if Spinoza and Hume, Tocqueville and Winston Churchill, and thousands of visitors to Muslim countries who reported on what they saw, in the bad (or good) old days when no one felt so profoundly as Mr. Regan so obviously does not to make distinctions, to insist on symmetries and likenesses or even identities of behavior, when none exist, and where analysis of what makes Islam so very different from other religions (Islam depends entirely on the distinction between Believer and Unbeliever -- that is the core of this belief-system that originates as a doctrine, composed of pagan Arab lore as well as stories and figures appropriated, and distorted, from Judaism and Christianity, to justify and promote Arab conquest of, precisely, those larger, richer, more advanced and settled populations of Christians and Jews whom the Arabs encountered, conquered, subjugated).

Regan's first example is the assassination of Rabin. This had nothing to do with Rabin's religious beliefs or lack of them. It was a political assassination, and it was prompted by a series of political undertakings by Rabin that his killer believed inimical to the survival of Israel. In this respect, the killer -- who believed him to be a foolish appeaser -- did not behave differently from, say, a Czech student who might have taken a shot at Chamberlain when that smiling appeaser returned home from Munich with his umbrella, and his complacency, and his "Peace in Our Time."

The next example Regan offers are the killings at "Sabra and Shatila." Actually it is amusing to see him mention the Christian killers, for one suspects that he is of the camp that likes to ignore that little fact and continue to allude to the "Israeli" massacres at Sabra and Shatila (by the way, there were killings only at one of the camps, and those killed were 1) almost entirely men of military age and 2) included Jihadists from as far away as Pakistan who had come to fight the good fight against the Christians of Lebanon. Those Christians who, under Elie Hobeika, who killed were not prompted by Christian doctrine, but by revenge -- the revenge for the mass killings of Christians up and down the land, from Damour (a far more premeditated ooperation) where the PLO slaughtered Lebanese Christians, as they did in so many other places (simply go to any of the Maronite websites for the grisly details and lists). There was nothing specifically
"Christian" and no doctrine at all -- this was war, and this was revenge. Muslims, on the other hand, are taught that they can do whatever they feel like to any non-Muslims who, in the Muslim view, stand in the way -- merely stand in the way, even in their own, Infidel lands (because there are no "Infidel" lands -- the world belongs to Allah, and to his people)-- of the spread of Islam.

The third example Regan adduces is that of those Serbs who killed Bosnian Muslims. But this, too, was a war about power. The Serbs felt, with considerable justification, that Izetbegovic was intent on bringing back something like the Ottoman period, for Izetbegovic had written, explicitly, that he intended to reinstate the Sharia. This may not have been taken seriously in the Western capitals; in Serbia it caused shudders. The explanation for some Serbians behaving unacceptably (by no means all, though the Western world has treated Serbia, and Serbs, as pariahs -- without bothering to investigate the historical record, and memories of everything from the devshirme (levy of Christian children over the centuries of Turkish rule) to the Bosnian S.S. formed of Muslim volunteers, and even memories of Jasenovac, Operation Kozara, and a thousand other more recent things). And what the Serbs feared -- the destruction of venerable and ancient Orhtodox churches, the driving out of hundreds of thousands of Serbs by Muslims -- all that did, in fact, come to pass.

But back to the massacre of Muslims. Was that religious in nature, or was it a political reaction to the threat, as Serbs saw it, of a renewal of the possiblity of something like what had been endured for centuries, since the Battle of Kosovo (in what on old even non-Serbian maps is shown as "Greater Serbia" which extends far beyond modern Serbia), under Muslim rule.
It is curious. Islam is not only a religion but a geopolitical system, and contains rules for warfare, rules for how to treat the enemy once conquered, how to divide the loot, and so on. Yet when people who are non-Muslim fight back against Muslim threats, or take revenge on Muslims, Regan would have us identify that revenge-taking, or that preemptive attack, on Muslims as "religious" in nature. But the Christian Lebanese, and the Orthodox Serbians, were not prompted by religion -- or rather, they were prompted by fury, and fears, of what those who were prompted by their own religion (Islam) to act as they did in massacring Christians at Damour or as the Muslims (both Turks and locals) did to Orthodox Serbians over centuries, whenever those Serbians seemed not to accept their inferior status, in their own lands.
One is still free to condemn these acts. We can disapprove of what Elie Hobeika (later an ally of the Syrians) and a few Christians maddened by the years of mass killings of Christians, particularly Maronites, did; one is still free to condemn, not Serbia and "the Serbs" but those who massacred civilians.

But what Regan does is illegitimate, though as noted by Robert Spencer above, entirely representative of the vulgar "they all do it" school of apologetics. The history of Islam, over 1350 years, shows something unique. There is nothing in any other religion like the religiously-prompted and justified mass killing of 60-70 million Hindus in Hindustan by Muslim invaders.

How much easier to pretend that "everyone is alike," and "everyone does it" and so on. Of course one can be a Christian or Jewish or Buddhist fanatic. But it is a question of frequency, of degree, of likelihood. There is something about Islam that many people, over many centuries, have noticed. Look at the crazed, hate-filled faces of those all-male Muslim groups shouting for murder in Gaza, or Ramallah when those two Israeli reservists had their eyes gouged out (and that was just the beginning of the fun for the whole crowd assembled below) and then were killed, or those primitive mobs shouting in Pakistan. Are we not to see those faces, nearly demented with hate, day after day, week after week, year after year, and come to no conclusions?

None?

[Posted by: Hugh at June 10, 2005 09:00 AM]

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August 07, 2006

"In Kosovo the Orthodox Church Is Under Siege
Sandro Magister reports in Chiesa (thanks to Sparta):

In Kosovo today, the Orthodox Serbs are a besieged and endangered minority. Of the roughly 250,000 who fled following NATO´s military intervention, only a few thousand have returned. Together with the 130,000 who remained, they are herded in restricted zones and kept under constant threat. Power rests in the hands of the Muslim Kosovar Albanians. The future status of the region is uncertain. Formally, Kosovo remains an autonomous province of the Republic of Serbia and Montenegro, but resolution 1244 of the United Nations defining its status also refers to the Rambouillet accords of 1999, which appeal to the principle of self-determination of peoples in outlining the definitive arrangement of the area. And the overwhelming Albanian majority has enlisted this point in its bid for independence.

The destruction of Christian churches is part of this plan - or, at least, that´s what the local Orthodox community fears. "Either destruction, or transformation into museums," specifies Fr. Sava Janjic, vice-prior of the monastery of Decani.

This monastery is one of the masterpieces of medieval art in Kosovo, an historic cradle of Serbian Orthodoxy. It is occupied by 35 monks, many of whom have entered during the last twelve years, in a complete rebirth of monastic life. During the war, they were lavish in their defense of the Kosovar Albanians, threatened with ethnic cleansing by Slobodan Milosevic´s army. But today, it is the monks who are under constant threat. The Italian soldiers of KFOR ensure the defense of the monastery. The monks may not venture beyond the security fence to visit their faithful unless they are accompanied by an armed escort. The condition of the other 25 monasteries and churches under KFOR protection is similar. Among the most precious holy places - and the ones most at risk - are the patriarchate of Pec, the monastery of Gracanica, and the cathedral of the Mother of God of Ljevisa, in Prizren.

Artemjie, the bishop of Raska and Prizren, the highest Orthodox authority in Kosovo, laments "the inexplicable silence of Christian and democratic Europe in the face of such grave crimes committed against a Christian and European people, which the Serbian people is." And he accuses the Vatican of having been "amply implicated in the events" that produced the current situation.
[Posted by Robert at August 7, 2006 10:25 AM] |

"Never again can the Serbs, or any other people who suffered historically from Muslim rule, be abandoned by the West -- no, not abandoned, worse than abandoned, attacked, and attacked, by those who had simply no notion of the legitimate fears of those Serbs, no understanding of what it was that drove some of them mad, no understanding of what Izetbegovic's declared plan to impose the Shari'a meant to people who still remembered the Bosnian S.S., and the centuries of Turkish rule, and the devshirme, and so much else.

See Ivo Andric's doctoral thesis on the influence of Turkish Muslim rule on the intellectual and moral development of the Balkans."

[Posted by: Hugh at August 7, 2006 11:02 AM]

"See Ivo Andric's doctoral thesis on the influence of Turkish Muslim rule on the intellectual and moral development of the Balkans." comment by Hugh

Here are some links:

Ivo Andric's doctoral thesis,
“The Development of Spiritual Life in Bosnia under the Influence of Turkish Rule” can be
located at a local library,
ordered as a paperback at Duke Press
or read it online via Questia
“The Development of Spiritual Life in Bosnia under the Influence of Turkish Rule”, was a detailed examination of dhimmitude during five centuries of Ottoman rule.

His assessment of the plight of the Jews in Ottoman Bosnia, governed essentially under the ancient, discriminatory “Pact of Umar”, which was valid for the entire Ottoman Empire, included these specific observations:

“..The Jews, though fewer in number [i.e. than the Christian communities], were well-to-do businessmen and profitable targets for extortion. {Andric includes this footnote from, Levy, Moritz, Die Sephardim in Bosnien, 1911, pp. 28,35: ‘..Acts of violence and extortion by the Pashas against the Jews plunged them into the depths of darkest night…There were many unpleasant run-ins with the authorities from time to time, which however were susceptible to settlement by means of money’.}… The Pinakes, mentioned above as the account books of the Sarajevo Jews, offer a true picture in many ways of conditions as they were then. The year 1730 saw a disbursement of ‘720 puli for the mutesilim, so as to be spared working Saturdays on the fortification [note: i.e., in unpaid, forced labor ‘corvees’. Andric further indicates that Christians were deployed in such corvees on Sundays]. It was an outlay repeated in the years to come.”
“…In the year 1794 the Jews of Sarajevo won permission through an imperial firman to rebuild their synagogue, which had recently burned down. It hardly need be said that the usual stipulations applied. ‘No more than any of the confessions are they allowed to enlarge such a structure by so much as a jot or a tittle in the process of reerecting it’. And to the imperial firman were attached the usual formalities- permission of the vizier, permission of the kadi, two separate commissions, and so on. All this took more than two years and cost a tidy sum.” 11
[Posted by: miira at August 7, 2006 02:43 PM]

3.

"During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, as with the Catholic Church in Croatia, many Muslim clerics in Bosnia and Kosovo were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nations Serbian, Jewish and Roma population. From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust (known as the Porajmos by the Roma), killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens - 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma. In these crimes, they were helped by Muslim fundamentalists in Bosnia and Kosovo who were openly supported by the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini. A notorious anti-Semite, he openly encouraged Muslims to join Nazi units that would be later implicated in genocide and crimes against humanity - the infamous Hanjar (or Handschar) 13th Waffen SS division. One of these crimes was the The Massacre at Koritska Jama Gorge, in Bosnia during 1941. The Nazis also established a puppet state in Serbia under General Milan Nedic, who along with the Chetniks also particapated in the Holocaust in wartime Croatia (which included Bosnia) and Serbia.
What united al-Husseini and the Third Reich was a common hatred of the Jewish people. The Nazis had taken al-Husseini under their protection following the wartime invasion of Iraq. He was to spend most of the war living in a luxurious suite at the Hotel Adlon in Berlin. Hitler had enjoyed quite a following among the nationalist youth of Egypt during the war, after Nassiri Nasser, the brother of the future president of Egypt, had published an Arab edition of Mein Kampf in 1939, describing its author as the "strongest man of Europe". Not surprisingly, Egypt became like Argentina after the war - a safe haven for SS war criminals who fled there after the war. Many were keen to help President Nasser in his attempts to destroy the State of Israel. There is evidence that the shadowy ODESSA network helped many of them to Egypt. Apart from Syria - who still host the wanted SS war criminal Alois Brunner, it was in Egypt that the Post-war Arab links to the ODESSA network were strongest....

The most senior Muslim cleric to be involved in the Holocaust/Porajmos was Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who according to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (Edition 1990, Volume 2, Pages 706 and 707), made a substantial contribution to the Axis war effort by organizing "in record time" recruitment to Muslim SS units in Croatia that would be involved in some of the worse atrocities of the Second World War.
Altogether, it is estimated that some 20,000 Muslims fought in the Hanjar (Sword) SS Division, which fought against Yugoslav partisans led by General Tito, and carried out police and security details in fascist Hungary. The Nazi's recruited two SS divisions from Yugoslavia's Muslim population: the infamous Bosnian 13th Waffen Hanjar (or Handschar) SS division, and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS division. SS conscription in Yugoslavia during the war produced 42,000 Waffen SS and police troops.

The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust states:
They participated in the massacre of civilians in Bosnia and volunteered to join in the hunt for Jews in Croatia . . . The Germans made a point of publicizing the fact that Husseini had flown from Berlin to Sarajevo for the sole purpose of giving his blessing to the Muslim army and inspecting its arms and training exercises.

President of Bosnia "recruited" for the SS Handschar Division

Alija Izetbegovic
Have you ever wondered why Bosnia never officially accused Croatia of aggression for attacking it as it has done with Yugoslavia? What do Bosnian Moslem's people say about this: "Izetbegovic was Pavelic's soldier in last war !!!" Comment of a Muslim reader from Bosnia (November 2000)

According to one article on the web, Ethnic Conflicts in Civil War in Bosnia, Alija Izetbegovic, the current President of Bosnia and Herzegovina, is the person who connects the present and the World War II. During the World War II, he was also linked to the SS Handschar Division. He joined the organization "Young Muslims" in Sarajevo on March 5, 1943, and is alleged to have engaged as a member of the organization in recruiting young Muslims for Handschar Division in collaboration with German intelligence services (ABWEHR and GESTAPO). Thus, in the spring of 1943, as leader of the Muslim youth in Sarajevo, he welcomed the Nazi collaborator Amin-el Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, to Sarajevo. In 1946, however, he was sentenced by the Yugoslav Supreme Military Court to three years of imprisonment and two years of deprivation of civil rights, because of his fascist activities. What was alleged to be his "criminal record" was published by Russian gazette "Izvestija" on 17th November 1992."

Some links on Serbia.

"A MONUMENT TO MUSLIM "TOLERANCE"

"The sun was scorching. When I was about a league from the town, I saw a large tower rising in the midst of the plain, as white as Parian marble. I took the path which led to it... I sat down under the shade of the tower to enjoy a few moments' repose. No sooner was I seated than, raising my eyes to the monument, I discovered that the walls, which I supposed to be built of marble or white stone, were composed of regular rows of human skulls; these skulls bleached by the rain and sun, and cemented by a little sand and lime, formed entirely the triumphal arch which now sheltered me from the heat of the sun... In some places portions of hair were still hanging and waved, like lichen or moss, with every breath of wind. The mountain breeze, which was then blowing fresh, penetrated the innumerable cavities of the skulls, and sounded like mournful and plaintive sighs."

Such was the description of "Chele kula" given by Alphonse de Lamartine in his book "A Pilgrimage to the Holy Land... Made during a Tour in the East in 1832-1833" (Published in London, 1835, vol. 3, pp 105-106).

No other nation, but the Serbs, have such monument. The unique monument is still in its place. It is there to tell eternal story about five centuries the Serbian suffering under Muslim occupation. It is there to remind new generations of the Serbs about astonishing bravery of their forefathers.

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/Chele-kula.html

"Srebrenica Massacre: Photo Story"

http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/

Video too brutal for The Hague

The Hague Tribunal refused to show "Meho's Camera". Because of the brutality. The Vecernji Novosti news team viewed a private video recording of members of the 505th Buzim Brigade of the Bosnia-Herzegovina Bosniak (Muslim) Army, including the entire sequence of the bestial murder of Republika Srpska Army Warrant Officer Rade Rogica.
Truly, the material is not for broadcasting. Yesterday only the reporter and the cameraman from "Novosti" remained in the BK Television studio to the end. Even Miodrag Popov, war correspondent, who played all the videos for us, could not watch the recording to the end.

When lies and coverups favorable to Islamic jihadists are being propagated, the BBC usually has a hand in the affair. One Misha Glenny, described on the book jackets as a BBC correspondent, wrote two or three books about the wonderfully tolerant Bosnian Muslims, in the early 1990s. He demonized the Serbs, acknowledged that the Croats were mainly loyal to the Nazi-like Ustasha party during World War 2, and depicted the Bosnian Muslims as innocuous innocents, just sweet little girls like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm. Note that Glenny was not so crude in his lies that he entirely whitewashed the Croats, although he did somewhat minimize the enormity of Ustasha crimes. But somehow Glenny's knowledge of WW2 history in Yugoslavia ran out when it came to the Muslims.

On the Jews of Yugoslavia, it seems false to depict them all as "well-to-do businessmen." Of course, a dhimmi with money was always the target of shakedowns in Muslim society. The Communists in their usual hypocritical "anti-capitalism" sometimes justified such extortion as "anti-capitalist," and the like.
It is interesting that one of the first political Zionists of the 19th century, before Theodore Herzl was born, was Rabbi Yehudah Hai Alkalai who officiated, I believe, in Semlin [also called Zemun?], a town in the Habsburg Empire in Serbia that was across the river from Belgrad still under the Ottoman Empire. Furthermore, Theodore Herzl's grandfather lived in that town while Alkalai was rabbi there. Alkalai, who was taken to live in Jerusalem as a child, worked out a program for restoration of the Jewish state in Israel and Jewish resettlement of the Land. His proposals were remarkably similar to those later formulated by Herzl.
Now, as to extorting money from Jews as dhimmis, Jacob Barnai, the historian, has written an account of this frequent extortion of the Jews in Jerusalem in the same time period as mentioned above, the late 18th century, regarding Yugoslavia. [see J Barnai, Jewish Political Studies Review, 1994]. Barnai too used communal pinqasim [ledgers] as his sources. My site discusses such extortion of Jews in Jerusalem before the Crusades.
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/11/muslimsarabs-exploiting-jews-in.html
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/06/arabmuslim-pecuniary-exploitation-of.html
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/11/exploiting-jews-in-jerusalem-before.html

Obviously, Christian dhimmis in the Islamic domain were also subject to extortion. Consider the Greek Orthodox in Jerusalem during the Greek Uprising:
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/09/arabs-in-israel-with-ottoman-sultan.html
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/10/arabs-in-israel-against-greek-revolt.html
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2005/10/arab-reaction-in-land-of-israel-to.html
and this account is continued in several subsequent posts.

I was present in 1993 in Sarajevo, when Sebian granade beheaded 13 civilians waiting in a row for water. Between 1992 and 1995 Serbs launched over million granades on civilians of Sarajevo. 70 000 civilians were wounded (every third in the city) 1700 children were killed.

Gentlemen, what did you make to stop that? Nothing, (the problem istoo complex?)or you perhaps simply said : fuck them.
But after some Serbs have been beheaded in 1995, they realized that will not pass smoothly as planned.
The whole world now realized the same, things with beheaded of only Muslims will not go so smoothly, using like Isreal only technological superiority.
Simply some of your heads will be rolled down.
And you call it islamic terorism? All that does nothing against that facts are islamic terorists?
Of course it can't be justified in any case like your arguments above ( too complex situation)?
So you started with lies to cover yourself like Alija was SS soldier, Alija was Jihad warrier etc.
But simple check of facts shows what are you: Alija had in 1992 30% of Serbs in his "Jihad" army. They are jihad warriers too? Bosnia has been defended with $150000 donation of Qaida?
Lets people give a name what are you.
Bosnia was defended and survived only because Serbs couldn't kill more that 200 000 Bosnia citizens.
And 3000 dead on 9/11 event is the reason for broad coalition against the terrorism.
200 000 dead in Bosnia was not even a reason to switch your favorite TV show. Of course, any fight against beheaded muslims is terrorism, muslims have only right to be beheaded and nothin else.
Period.
Gentlemen, You are the victims of Zionistic halutinations. Don't make Israel of this world.
Muslim were cooperative fo 15 hundred years.
Why not again?

On real terrorism, look some state terrorism of Israel since 1948 ( starting with Israeli terrorism against British troops under UN mandate, lead by former Premier Sharon !!).
Look for the ship full of Jewish refugees killed
by the Sharon terroristic groop in 1944!
You don't know that? Sorry, I forgot, this is Jihad watch site, not Zion watch one.

Oh, by the way , look who was really behind the 9/11.
Here: http://badhardware.blogspot.com/

Regards,
Alija

Ah , where to start with such a posting from Alija?

Well, we could be here for a day , but lets just have a wee gander at the claim,

"Bosnia was defended and survived only because Serbs couldn't kill more that 200 000 Bosnia citizens."

Really? So the Bosnian Serbs slaughtered around 200,000 muslims?

Really?

Cripes, well how does one square that with the ICTY , those notorious Serbophobes, admitting that less that 100,000 died, from all sides, civillian and soldier, throughout the entire war?

Spot the flaw in your argument? Then number 200,000 is bigger than 100,000 and that shouldn't be.

It's called a conundrum , Aliaja.

P.S. Izetbegovic's creation , "Muslim Youth" or "Young Muslims" provided the men for the 13th SS Handzar division. It was staffed by German officers who were appalled at what their men were doing. APPALLED.

The Young Muslims was itself based on the Muslim Brotherhood. They provided much support to the Nazis in WW2 and their ideology is very similar. Himmler noticed the overlap and courted them. See photos of him and the Mufti of Jerusalem.

http://www.pogledi.co.yu/galerija/ssh/25.jpg

Later, when Izetbegovic became president (illegally I might add) he named an elite unit , essentially his Praetorian Guard , after the very same 13th SS division. HANDZAR.

It was largely made up of 5,000 odd ethnic Albanians from Kosovo and it's officer corps were from Pakistan.

HANDZAR!

Spooky coincidence or what.

Now why would he do this?