Anti-terror efforts breed terrorists, says Bari. In other words, please lie down and die. "Threat of up to two million Muslim terrorists, warns community leader," from the Daily Mail, with thanks to Twostellas:
Britain will face have to deal with up to two million Islamic terrorists unless there is an end to 'demonising' of Muslims, the leader of the most influential Muslim organisation has said.Treating all Muslims as if they were terrorists will encourage large numbers to become terrorists, Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari said.
The warning from the chief of the Muslim Council of Britain - the grouping that Tony Blair's Government has considered the leading voice for Muslims - came amid rising tensions over the increasingly suspicious attitude to Muslims in the rest of society.
Dr Bari declared: "Some police officers and sections of the media are demonising Muslims, treating them as if they are all terrorists, and that encourages other people to do the same.
"If that demonisation continues, then Britain will have to deal with two million Muslim terrorists, 700,000 of them in London. "If you attack a whole community, it becomes despondent and aggressive," he added.
The message from Dr Bari appeared to be aimed at muting criticism from police officers and broadcasters and newspapers who have questioned widely-held Muslim attitudes and at police officers who have called for greater surveillance of Muslims.
It appeared to contain a measure of exaggeration - according to the last national census, there are fewer than 1.6 million Muslims in the country.
But by suggesting that a majority of British Muslims may be prepared to support or engage in terrorism the Muslim Council chief may undermine figures who have tried to ward off attacks on Muslims.
What this DOES suggest to me is that we need an IMMEDIATE MORATORIUM on mufti immigration.
Then we need an HONEST and OPEN debate amongst ourselves as to WHY we should allow immigration at all, and by whom? We need to discuss the potential benefits but also the drawbacks and risks to ourselves.
Immigration to another land is a PRIVILEGE - not a right!
What we do NOT need is muftis all over our TV and other media peddling their insidious and seditious poison. We support said media via a combination of taxes and advertising dollars.
Next time such a person spews its filth in OUR Western Media we need to contact not only the venue it appeared in such as the TV outlet/newspaper/mag/etc.. BUT we need to make one another aware of the sources of funding for that particular program. Like what companies aired ads during the segment. THEN we contact these companies and we let them know that we will switch to other brands from now on. See the Miller Lite boycott recently. And stay away from Amoco.. they are part SOWdi-owned. There are several oil companies who buy nearly none of their crude in the ME. We need to go to them to gas up instead of the others.
Drying up the financial support for these misantropic apes is one of many important things we CAN do to fight back in a legal manner.
All he did was admit all muslims are potential terrorists. I have to agree with him.
Well, Islamonazi terrorism and threats breed
angry infidel counterjihadis, so his threats
absolve any nonmuslim Brit of whatever he does
against the invaders.
Same holds true, mutatis mutandis, for CAIR and
Americans.
I'm surprised that the British haven't gone all
soccer hooligan on the collective mohammadan
behind yet. Hopefully soon, then here in the
states...
Perfect. This is the type of angry talk we need to hear more of from muslims.
It's working. A little bit of pressure on them in the form of profiling, or even just talking about profiling, and the hotheads come out and start threatening death and destruction. And they do it while mentioning the phrase "muslim".
Idiots. The very thing the MSM tries not to do, to protect them from that association, they are doing to themselves. Not only do they make the association, but they then go further by actually admitting that the association is indeed true.
Essentially what this drip is saying is that, while only some muslims are terrorists now, they can all become terrorists in the future if need be.
Exactly the point. Thank you for making it! (Sounds so much more convincing when a muslim leader says it. A gold star for him.)
The more the public hears that word, muslim, spoken in the same sentence as terrorism, and all which THAT word implies, the more the public will turn toward the idea that muslims are a hostile foreign body. And that is all we need. It is always been more the ignorance of the public than the craven attitudes of the politicians that have allowed the ummah to get away with so much in the West.
The public must be turned. And not only do we see small signs of that, but then we have these hotheaded muslims ruining it for the patient da'wa-focused muslims.
As Charles Montgomery Burns would say:
Eeeeeeexcellent.
Isn't this the type of speech that got our friend Dominic fired? It sounds worse than anything he ever said.
Perhaps immunity is granted under British Law if you are simply issuing threats on behalf of a million or so individuals.
Britain will face have to deal with up to two million Islamic terrorists unless there is an end to 'demonising' of Muslims, the leader of the most influential Muslim organisation has said.
Treating all Muslims as if they were terrorists will encourage large numbers to become terrorists, Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari said.
I just re-read this. The most influential muslim organisation is al qaida, looks like osama has been replaced.
Ugh. The only person I ever knew personally who made this kind of argument regarding himself was a relative who has spent a lot of time in and out of prison. Supposedly the reason he committed so many criminal acts was that that was what people expected of him. How could they expect anything different, since most of his friends and relatives thought he would end up back in prison, and many were simply scared of him?
He never seemed to understand that people only expected this behaviour of him because that was the behavior he had shown them. Also, these people were not born expecting him to screw up--his actions came first.
Also, any mature person tries to live their own life--the idea that someone's misinformed opinion of me is going to cause that very behavior is absurd.
This is mostly for the consumption of the liberal West, which is so ready, almost seemingly eager, to blame itself for any ills in the world.
When immediately after 9/11 so many in the US plaintivly asked "why do they hate us?" all I could think of was a battered woman, sitting in the emergency room with broken bones and bruises, asking "what did I do to make him so mad?"
"Then we need an HONEST and OPEN debate amongst ourselves as to WHY we should allow immigration at all, and by whom? We need to discuss the potential benefits but also the drawbacks and risks to ourselves." From germaninamerica
Honest and open debate is not possible. Leftists and Muslim fellow travelers will resort to name calling thus poisoning the whole discussion. We will be called Islamophobes, Racists, Jingoists, and any kind of epithet they can come up with. These traitors have the moral, multi-cultural, hold-hands-and-sing-Kumbayah highground. We, on the otherhand, are merely trying to save our skins. How selfish of us.
Let's take him at his word ... ok, two million Sith.
There are a total of about 60 million people here.
Let's say that if the proverbial hits the fan, all the East europeans who've been pouring in for the past two years will scoot - they're only here for what they can get out of us. We'll be generous and say two million.
That leaves two million Sith, and 56 million Brits of all other kinds, a good number of which are Sikhs and Hindus - and we all know who's side they'll be on, and they'll be staunch allies.
We have more than two million just in veterans alone, say three.
Two million Sith on one side, half of which are women, another quarter million kids.
So 750K lining up against 3 million, and with all of our women not being brain-dead breeding machines, so we've got back-up there, which they haven't to anything like the same extent. Then there's all the thugs, and believe you me, we've got a lot of them over here. AND we've got the army, navy, air force, police, and security services.
Bari is a fool. Bring it on.
We've been talking obout this over on our side of the pond, on Up Pompeii.
http://uppompeii.blogspot.com/
If you visit, you'll see his picture. Do you reckon that's a wig he's wearing?
P.S. note to self really, really, really, stock up on ammo. As I sit here tonite befor the 11th of September, I thank God that I'm an American. We've got a long roe to hoe people. May freedom allways ring, I'll fight for my liberty and my AMERICA the land that I love.
AMartinez, I read what you wrote and it reminded me of some exchanges that I have had with some Brits and Aussies. These poor defenseless chaps have no where to turn. Their gun laws are so restrictive that it seems like Hitler and Stalin wrote them. Legally owning a semi-automatic handgun or rifle is impossible for them.
With all of G. Bush's faults, I think that it is significant that not one new gun law has been passed during his two terms. He also did not lift one finger to re-enact the assault weapons ban. For that, at least, I thank him,
I’m sure with enough cultural sensitivity training you Brits will learn to love your muslims. Didn’t it work for the French? Oh, that’s right they didn’t try hard enough.
I notice that you put leftists ahead of muslims in your litany of enemies. Interesting. I actually think that the vast majority of supposed "anti Jihadi's" are really at war with Jihad secondary to their war against so called leftists.
I admit that I am no different than most, and take the easy way out when engaging in political discussions, but I don't think a blank categorization of "lefists" or worse
engaging in mind reading as to how they think or would act is fruitful in fact it is counter productive. You alienate people who might otherwise be allies, if you would sit down,put some ice on your temple, and hold your tongue.
Besides, be careful, making statements about what other people would or would not do is called Projection. Since you don't live in the heads of others, the only thing that you can do is project yourself, motives and actions onto them.
Myself, from what I've seen of your posts.. I am, by your lights, a leftist.. however I am a 2nd Amendment (Pro Gun) leftist, and one that is adamantly and vehemently "Islamophobic", and for all of the reasons noted by Mr Spencer. Islam is antithetical to the values of us liberal, free thinking, pro choice free speaking secular, atheists..
On the other hand, the moreo fundamentalist and conservative the Christian the more they resemble the muslim.. from the perspective of us leftist, liberal, secular, freedom loving, choice loving atheists.
One only needs to know the history of the moslims to realize that there are no morals in this religion.mohamed created the religion using parts of the Christain,Jewish and Zoroastorian religions to control his people.He was a butcher,bandit and pedophile.If Hitler had created his own religion like this rather than a political party we would all be speaking German today.Remember it was moslim suicide butchers who murdered thousands on 911,not Christain,Jewish,Hindu or Buddahist suicide bombers.As we have seen in Iraq muslims hate each other as much as they hate everyone else.
Onewhowalkstall
Nariz, suggested reading:
"Unholy Alliance - Radical Islam and the American Left" by David Horowitz
When rape is inevitable, lie back and enjoy it.
Bari states -- "If you attack a whole community, it becomes despondent and aggressive" (referring to the Muslims).
Hello somebody!!! It sure seems to me that the Muslims are attacking the whole community without legitimate cause, but the non-Muslim community (those being attacked) are at least civilized (they are not attempting to kill all Muslims for the acts of the few). They are, for the near-term, suffering their despondency and withholding their aggression; but, we will not remain without action indefinitely.
There will come a flash-point, when knowledgeable non-Muslims will cease to put up with this Islamic crap (sort of a reverse-dhimmitude policy against Muslims), and you shall reap that which you have sowed!).
As to the comment by gravenimage,under islam that battered woman would be sent right back to her husband by force.At least under our American law she is free to move on somewhere else if she wants.
Those silly British dhimmies, when will they ever learn?!?!
Ive got an idia, lets migrate to Afghanistan, live off thier 'welfare', give hate speeches in our churches, commit terror atrocities and force the country unter christian rule.
Oh thats rite, its called 'colonialisn' when its the other way round.
Seems to me that someone who's busy making incendiary threats isn't feeling all that scared or fearful. So much for the 'persecution'.
“Treating all Muslims as if they were terrorists will encourage large numbers to become terrorists, Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari said.”
You can only use a line a certain number of times before people pick up on it as a talking point and discount the speaker. This one is growing really, really stale.
OT; the Road to 9/11 is on the TV, a very blunt film. It doesn’t look like Clinton got much of his editing.
Couldn't his remarks be taken as treason?
OT : I finally watched the DVD of Robert of C-Span (around September 21, 2006) discussing "Islam : What the West Needs to Know." I have to admit that it was quite a good interview.
Though I wonder what the chances are of that movie being shown in Britain are.
I was wondering when "Islam : What the West Needs to Know" would be available on DVD and it looks like it is available from amazon.com (actually the movie distributor Quixotic Media). I shall have to purchase it.
“Treating all Muslims as if they were terrorists will encourage large numbers to become terrorists, Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari said.”
If there are 1.6 to 2.0 million muslims in England and taking an average household of 4: 1 male adult, i woman adult, and 2 children, then the total number of terrorists will be less than 1 million if all of the adults and part of the teenagers turned terrorists.
The true number is probably less than 100,000 for when the killing starts the cowardice will come out in most of the male mos and they will surrender. I see a world wide building of detention camps to hold the mos that surrender until they can be sent back to the ME.
The EU may become the new power of the world if the EU handles this one correctly and deports the mos and takes over the ME to control terrorism and see that the deported mos stay put. It is prophecy that Europe would arise anew to bring peace to the ME.
We are living in the most exiting and perilous times the world has ever seen. Hold on, the ride is going to be furrious and unbelievable.
Prepare, be armed, be ready.
The Texican.
God, Family, America and Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
I realize my druthers are a pipe dream. But if I had my druthers, this is what I would like to see done:
All the leaders of the West issue a proclamation to the Umma, the Muslim World:
"We will give you one year to throw out your bad apples and clean up your act. After that year is up -- beginning at 12:01 midnight Eastern standard time --, if there is one terrorist act committed by Muslims anywhere outside of the Muslim world, we will send nuclear missiles to every major and secondary capital throughout the Muslim world, from the southern Philippines to Morocco and everywhere in between, including Mecca and Medina. Again: you have one year. We start the clock -- now. Good luck, and Godspeed!"
Well the police simply (UK) are reflecting what the general British population is feeling, that the Muslim communities are not to be trusted. The British have learned on 7/7 what America had to learn on 9/11, do not trust Islam or the Muslims.
It's just one more proof that Muslims don't need anyone but themselves to give themselves a bad name.
Folks, the time for interfaith diologe ended 5 years ago tommorrow. The Muslims are not our friends.
Isn't there a declared war on? It's past time to intern some of these leaders. Better yet, charge them with treason or sedition, convict them, and fry them.
I have trouble getting four people together to play golf.
Dear "DR." Bari, I would like to let you know that you are an asshole. Bring your terrorist buddies over here and WE THE PEOPLE will kick you asses back to Mecca and turn it into glass. WE are ready. WE know what you want. So lets get this bulllshit out of the way and bring it on.
Well done Dr Bari .....we believe you !! you old sly protologist ....
Who needs to shit on Muslims when your doing a fine job of it yourself....keep taking the pills,just because your paranoid does not mean the Brits have not already profilled you and your ilk.
Remote Control, I like your suggestion. The only thing they care about is islam and its preservation and expansion.
What did you do about your terrorist suspect?
This mind set may explain the high level of spousal abuse under Sharia-law , the wife meets with the Mosque Imam and expalins the beatings and verbal abuse she endure , next the Imam
retorts by saying "So..what do you think you did to prevoke your huasband to feel he needed to protect himself for you and had to beat you to stop you from beating him one day in the future?".
Amazing how the Quran creates not only a sense of paranoia to justify violence over a perceived possible future harm, but when other Muslims act out with violence they have a denial to any link
for Islam and the Quran.
This recent claim of more Terrorists merely
enforces the notion that Muslims are predisposed to violence as a form of expression as Muhammad displayed during his massacres of civilians that didn't accept Islam and deserved death for not embracing a Peaceful faith of pluralism.
If you attack a whole community, it becomes despondent and aggressive...
Victimism, the 7th Pillar of Islam, was founded by Mohammed himself. For example, he had to chop off 800 heads at Banu Qurayza cuz the treaacherous Jews living there had victimized the Moslems by breaking a unilaterally declared "peace treaty" that called for genocide of infidels if its terms were violated.
Belatedly, the English are waking up to what a mortal threat UK Moslems are. The poor Moslems, as Dr. Muhammad Abdul Bari observes, are starting to feel deeply offended, and if the infidels continue to be suspicious of the Moslems there, they will be forced to turn to terrorism in self-defense.
I wonder what kinda medicine the good doctor practices.
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I watched the movie Khartoum this weekend. A 4-star classic that is essemtial viewing for all anti-dhimmis. Sir Lawrence Olivier wasn't mixed up about what these people are, and what they're capable of.
Onewhowalkstall wrote:
As to the comment by gravenimage,under islam that battered woman would be sent right back to her husband by force.At least under our American law she is free to move on somewhere else if she wants.
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I totally agree--here at least a battered woman has options (sometimes difficult ones, but still) and the force of the law behind her. She can get treatment for her injuries. She can (to a certain extent, at least) get police protection, restraining orders from court, can testify in court against her abuser, get temporary housing where her batterer is not allowed, and ultimately divorce if she is married. She probably can get custody of any children in an abusive situation, and certainly has the freedom to remove herself from the situation, thousands of miles away if necessary. Also, while there are a few people in the West who still agree with "wife beating", they are pretty rare these days. The average American is sympathetic to the victim, and wants to see her get away from her batterer.
This is of course not the case in most Muslim countries
What I was refering to, though, is the attitude many victims develop where they blame themselves for their situation--not because they stay in an abusive relationship, but because they endlessly believe that all the violence is their own fault. If only they hadn't gained that weight after the baby, if only they hadn't burned dinner, if only they had read their partner's mind, they wouldn't have been "provoked". Of course, the abuser is eager for his victim to think this, and does everything he can to convince the victim that it is her own fault.
Many Westerners seem to have a similar attitude toward the Third World in general, and the Muslim World in particular. If only we hadn't supported Israel, or "exploited" the Middle East's oil, or taken part in the Crusades, then they would not hate us. I can't believe how pervasive this mind-set was, especially right after the 9/11 attacks.
Similar, also, is the case that many Muslims are all too eager to cry victim themselves, and set the blame for all Muslim violence at the feet of "Crusaders" and Western Imperialists".
Hmmmm... Interesting.. Doesn't this just show the true nature of the religion? I mean, everyone understands that they're not all terrorist but everyone also understands that they're generally apathetic... In times like these, that's equally as bad.
This is what Muslims teach, "To stop terrorism, bow down to terrorists and do whatever they might ask."
And the Left goes for this.
For anyone who is not a complete hypocritical fool, they know that to stop terrorism you stop saying to terrorists, "TERRORISM WORKS WITH US".
As long as cowards and haters of their own countries continue to send this message... terrorism will flourish.
They give terrorists a reason to commit terrorism.
Why is this hard for people to understand? I guess most people are simply complete wimps who have lived sheltered lives and never had to deal with such situations personally before.
That is the thing about the media that would be funny if the stakes were not so high: people in the Muslim community who are doing terrorist acts say as loudly as they can that they do so in the name of Islam. Then your neighborhood college professor tells you no they are not. Then your "moderate" civil rights leaders support Hamas and Hizbullah and say things like the above, and then the media says they are not saying what they are saying. Who are we to believe, the media or our lying Kuffir eyes and ears?
"That is the thing about the media that would be funny if the stakes were not so high"
It's not just the media doing this. Imagine if the media were declaring that the moon is made of green cheese. Or imagine if the media suddenly started saying that black people are evil. People wouldn't stand for it. There would be fairly quick social, political and legal repercussions.
So obviously, this is not just a media problem.
Ronin said:
"All he did was admit all muslims are potential terrorists. I have to agree with him."
That is the way I read it, and I agree too.
Good to get it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
Great Britain, or Gagging Burka?
7/7 was an attack comitted by Mohammedans against their host country. I don't recall that 57 or 500 or 5000 Mohammedans were killed in retaliation. I am still waiting for 500 clerics to be deported, guess BLair put it back in the "too hard" basket. What happened to the other 4 who's bombs didn't go off and were cought in Italy? What happened to all those guys who wanted to blow up jets over the Atlantic? Have we forgotten the signs the Muslim invaders displayed like "Islam will dominate" and "your 9/11 is coming" or "your women will be war-booty!"??? Have we forgotten that 50 % of British Mohammedans want Sharia & Kaliphate?
How can this go on?
INTERNMENT & DEPORTATIONS, NOW!
France just ordered another container of white flags:
Here comes Willie the pimp:
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/mideast/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060907/wl_afp/mideastusterrorism
Sheik; It is sad to watch France. They’ve lost their wars, they’re losing their identity, and they’re desperately holding onto a vestige of their past, being a part of the nuclear club.
Politicians have no backbone. Chirac’s position makes sense politically for the next ten years. But he’s going to have to turn the keys over to a new popularly elected government, which will have to do the same.
France’s productive population pay a tax rate of ninety some percent, and they’re already leaving.
"Britain will face have to deal with up to two million Islamic terrorists unless there is an end to 'demonising' of Muslims, the leader of the most influential Muslim organisation has said."
Wow, and this from the people who calls us apes and pigs, and tells their children that Jews bake bread on the blood of arab children. Oh, and not to mention, the people that put a lot of effort into killing us.
This man is suffering for the Muslim equivelant of Delirium tremmers. The D.Ts. In this case are Denial and Threats. As a Brit, I can assure you that this verbal bullying is slowly getting to us, in most of my friends, there is growing, a cold contempt for these people, I will not say hate for I think that that will come later. I do not think this gentleman has studied history, especially British history. He certainly doesn't understand that we are slow to anger, but when we do change, change can happen at lightning speed. It was less than two years between Chamberlain coming back from Munich and Churchill making his Blood Sweat and Tears speech in the houses of parliament. When our survival is on the line, and I think I speak for most of my countrymen. that we react with a ruthlessness that shocks our opponents. All he is doing is telling the British public what most of them have suspected, that we have two million terrorists in our midst. What he should be doing is worrying about the 58,000,000 million terrorists that he is creating.
I can imagine a time in the not too distant future, when we awake, as a nation,from the aftermath of a civil war and look at the destruction we have wrought in many of our cities the burnt out husks of the mosques and the grass growing over the mass graves and ask the question how could we have done such a thing. I think we will justify our actions the same way we justified our actions in the second world war, when we destroyed Dresden and Hamburg, Hirosima and Nagasaki because our survival was at stake, we were fighting an enemy which had a political agenda identical with the Nazis, a pathological hatred of the Jews, wanting to subject the world into a slave state to serve the interests of Islam. This gentleman, is a child playing with matches and I wouldn't bet on his chances of getting a pension.
Britain will face have to deal with up to two million Islamic terrorists unless there is an end to 'demonising' of Muslims, the leader of the most influential Muslim organisation has said.
“Treating all Muslims as if they were terrorists will encourage large numbers to become terrorists.” Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari
So treating all Britons, Americans and other westerners like George Bush and Tony Blair (I.E.suppressors of Islam) will make them all become like George Bush and Tony Blair..... ummmm.
Limes:
You said: 'France’s productive population pay a tax rate of ninety some percent, and they’re already leaving.'
Proof please, I think you've been eating too many freedom fries.
The assumption of power that swells Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari's ego and sense of importance has fuddled his arrogant supermacist brain. He is an utter idiot.
Rather than threatening and attempting to bully the UK non-Muslim poulation he should be working out how he and his gang of self appointed "leaders" can stop the Islamo-fascist Terrorist's from within their communities doing something that Muslims's in the UK will pay for very, very, dearly.
The British people and the government are not afraid of gangsta Muslim's and their threats as the BBC and the other craven MSM outlets would have us believe. The British government are afraid of what the non-Muslim population will do when some cowardly Islamic inspired atrocity actually happens.
The contempible fool just doesn't get it.
My guess is now that they've come out with their real intentions, the government should say, "that if any acts of terrorism occurs the whole muslim population will be incarcerated. Those that comply willingly will be sent back to their homelands and bury those whose unwilling to comply.
Recently the US government approved of 40,000 muslim students to immigrate to America. How many of those 40,000 will be terrorists? Probably a large percentage.
It is time to stop all immigration from the middle east to America, because we know where their loyalty lies and it isn't with the US.
In the not to distant future, we'll be fighting them here on American soil.
LOOKS LIKE WE WILL HAVE TO KILL 2 MILLION OF THEM THEN! AND WE WILL! SEEING AND RELIVING 911 TODAY MAKES ME WANT REVENGE.......EVEN IF WE USED ATOMICS ON THEM I WOULD APPROVE. MAYBE I WOULD EVEN DANCE IN THE STREETS. READ "BECAUSE THEY HATE" by BRIGITTE GABRIEL. IT WILL GIVE YOU AN INSIGHT INTO THE DANGER AND HATE OF MUSLIMS AGAINST ALL INFIDELS. THIS COURAGEOUS WOMAN CANNOT EVEN GET BOOK SIGNINGS IN NYS BECAUSE OF THE PC BULLCRAP (I CALL IT COWARDICE BY US MONEY MAKING COMPANIES). ALL OF THE MAJOR TV NETWORKS ARE RUNNING SCARED AND WILL NOT INTERVIEW HER. THEY ARE IN FEAR TOO. Rick M.
Incrediable! Terrorism is now your fault! Defend yourself and we will over power you with 2million+. Submit to us killing you, or die
Albion; I would prefer to call them ‘Glorious Potatoes of Mohammed’; Attached is a tax rate table for businesses in France (~70%). Many productive people own businesses. Add local and sales taxes, and voila, ninety some percent. The business tax table is below.
http://www.doingbusiness.org/ExploreTopics/PayingTaxes/Details.aspx?economyid=70
limes,
It is no where as much as that, personal income tax and personal social security is on a par with the UK, just a tad higher. The issue is what a company pays, in my last company accounts I got to around 55% of my profit as an overall tax and social security take, 68.05% is about right, but your number of 90% is not. I agree with Albions statement on VAT. But I will not deny that the take by the state is too high.
But then you have to compare things like pensions, that make up part of the take, in the USA and the UK, pensions are funded by the companies, I won't go into a comparison of the merits or not of each system, but I prefer to create my own wealth for my pension. But you need to add pension provisions to USA and UK companies to have a fair comparison.
As for this report I gave a little cheer for this Muslim living in Britain, for people like me who understand the issue this is expected, but for the normal man in teh street, it will annoy them further. I get a real sense in teh UK that the population is woken up to the threat, now we just have to kick our so called leaders into line, or it will get ugly. For me I think we have to start acting soon, or it will take longer and end up with more deaths.
As for Baki, I have one thing to say, bring it on!