Fitzgerald: Fighting against the Jihad in Latin America

Yes, I am amazed at the danger that Islam poses for Latin America! Because of the poverty and the tensions between European and Indigenous groups in these societies, there exists the weakness and danger of Da'wa.

Let us make this very clear, Islam is at war with Mankind! and Latin America is in a very weak position right now.

As always Hugh you are spot on.

We must awaken the reconquista spirit of our ancestors, not against the American southwest, which was so briefly in Mexican hands (as to be just a historic blink of the eye), but to the destructive and brutal Islamic domination of the the Iberian peninsula.

Remember the Martyrs of Cordoba, who sacrificed their lives to wake up the recently conquered Spanish Visigoths and Latinos, from the same path of Dhimmitude that would consume other Christian populations in the Mediterranen.

These events from so long ago hold a tremendous lesson in how to resist the Islamic conquest of our world today.

The lesson is Resist! Resist at all cost and with all our might and force! Resist! and do not fear their attacks because for to give in to fear now would condem us to subjigstion and death that would last the ages.

Don't give an inch in compromises for Islam to debase our culture and rape our civilization.

Let them know the we would rather sacrifice our lives then meekly submit to sharia and a second class status of a Dhimmi.

We love life more then death and life as a Dhimmi would be the destructin of all culture and the death of our future generations.

Bravo to those resist the Jihad and the Da'wa.

Bravo to former Prime Minister of Spain, Jose Maria Aznar do, and Gustavo de Aristegui, both great men.

Long live the spirit of El Cid!

Visibly without question,Venzuela's Hugo Chavez remains one of the most dangerous men in all of Central and South America.

Though his term is supposed to end in January of 2007, a mere few months away ,Chavez appears to be turning up the control button over the Venezuelan people.

Chavez known by many as the South American candy man is clearly towing a leftwing communist line throughout the world.

His undoing may be be his rubbing up to Muslims leaders in Iran, and Syria since his country is more than 96Pct. Catholic after the attacks on the Pope.Venzuela's Muslim population is estimated to be some 125,000 or .50 of 1 Pct.the population.

Some believe that the candy man became hostile towards the US after what he claims was an attempted cooe in 2002 orchistrated by the CIA and the Bush Administration. The fact is that Chavez has ranted against the US even before 9-11. There are some who say he has given financial support to Al-qaeda and has been calling President Bush the devil ever since the invasion of Afghanistan.

Chavez is continually working to build a coalition of South American countries against the US by offering goodies from his countries vast holdings of oil; thus (the candyman)----

Keep in mind that the CITGO GAS Co.who has thousands of stations in the US is soley owned by Venezuela.

Hugh, did you catch the segment on NPR two days ago talking about the rapid Islamization of immigrants from Latino countries?

Central Americans are ninety some percent Catholic. It will be a hard demographic nut to crack for the Muslims. For what its worth, my impression is that the typical Latino faith seems to be deeper than that of their American counterparts. The actions of the Pope will make any ‘hearts and minds’ struggle all the more difficult for our Islamic friends.

It is much more worrisome as a potential staging ground. In one of the richer Central American countries, there is a police station manned by three officers, serving a relatively large area. If you need help, you’ve got to drive to the station and pick up the policeman because the cops can’t afford the gasoline. It is completely conceivable that a group with ill-intent could operate in remote areas with little or no oversight.

Per capita incomes in Latin America are in the $5000 range. If we don’t have a few dozen Mosque-goers on the CIA payroll, we’re making a mistake.

Hugh, here it is (and may God help us, because we're not capable of helping ourselves):

Latinas Choosing Islam over Catholicism

Listen to this story... by Rachel Martin

Weekend Edition Sunday, September 24, 2006 · The Catholic Church has been grappling with an exodus of Latin Americans over the past few decades. A small yet growing segment of the Hispanic population is leaving Christianity altogether and converting to Islam -- and most of them are women.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6133579

imho: I was worried about the dems selling us out to chavez last week, but it looks the right (globalists) are doing the same thing. Both sides of our govt appearing to be selling us out to the muslim agenda.

Brought to you by our gobalist masters who consult the think tank at the council on foreign relations within the federal govt. Remember this the next time somebody is discussing the nafta highway.

http://www.cfr.org/
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3307266,00.html

Ayalon slams think tank's invitation to Amhadinejad

sounds like the dubai ports people are at it again...

Hugh is right about Latin America being a current target for Islamists. In fact, many members of a Mayan tribe called the Tzotzil in the state of Chiapas, Mexico recently was converted in mass to Islam.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,358223,00.html

"Evangelical preachers from the US have turned Latin America into a religious battleground in their efforts to lure Catholics away from the Church."

This has opened the door to Islam since both evangelicalism and Islam are anti-art, anti- priesthood, and focus on a book as the core of faith.

In much of Latin America, encouraged by secularist and anti-clerical regimes, many poor people were bribed or cajoled into abandoning their Catholic roots and embracing Evangelical Protestantism or even cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses. Now they are making the jump to Islam. Unless secularism is abandoned and the Catholic and indigenous cultures of Latin America are strengthened, Latin America will be the next big battleground between Catholicism and Islam.

The good news is that most of the Arabs in Latin America are Christians, including the vast majority of Palestinian families "who control the Chilean fruit trade." As for Shafik Handel (now dead), the voters of El Salvador defeated him soundly and elected a Christian Palestinian Salvadoreno from the right wing ARENA Party who is strongly pro-Israel and pro-US.

The biggest threat, a Hugh points out, are from pro-Jihad Leftists like Lula and Chavez. Fortunately, it looks like the right-wing candidate in Mexico, Felipe Calderon, will be sworn in over the Chavez clone Manuel Lopez Obrador. However, don't be surprised if Lopez-Obrador does cause unrest in Mexico.

see also:
http://www.wwrn.org/article.php?idd=10161&sec=33&con=6

http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2370015

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Mexico

http://www.islam.com.mx/islam/cuerpoparts.html

This is frightening Hugh. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Chavez is falling right into their hands out of spite in his hatred for Bush because he hasn't been invited to the White House.

One has read that among those who control the Chilean fruit trade -- all those off-season raspberries and kiwis -- are some "Palestinian" families...
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Uh, well, no--I didn't know that. In fact, I bought out of season Chilean fruit with a fairly clear consience, because Chile (by South American standards) is a fairly democratic country. More bad news.

For about Twenty years it looked as though the general trend in Latin America was pretty positive. The old dictatorships seemed to be dying out, and there seemed to be a general trend toward democracy--in Mexico, Central America, Argentina, Brazil and especially Chile. Things seemed to be improving economically for most Latin Americans, also.

Then the economy in Argentina virtually collapsed a few years ago, and many countries started electing neo-Socialists. Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, Luba, and a weird resurgence of popularity for Fidel Castro. Obrador in Mexico is threatening to set up a left-wing "shadow government".

Then you have Hugo Chavez embracing Mahmood Ahmadinijad--very disturbing stuff.
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There is a very large Latino population here in the Bay Area, and there have been a number of articles lately about Hispanics converting to Islam. One "revert" said he felt it was just "returning to his heritage", when in fact his ancestors were probably those who *expelled* the Muslims from Spain.

Prisons are also a huge recruiting ground for Hispanic converts. Remember Jose Padilla.

Why would Latinos convert to Islam? My guess is that because they hate 'Gringos' or 'whitey' and by association, our religion.

My unscientific impression is that Muslim and Latino immigrants harbor deep resentments against the US. Is that because they're generally poor? No, because poor immigrants from Eastern Europe are not resentful at all, and are proud to become Americans.

I have posted many times on this thread that Islam has incorporated both first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit unlimited first-degree murders into both its doctrine and its practice (which happens to be the case). Very few people have picked up on that which I think is a mistake on their part. Because I am absolutely certain that widespread exposure of this component of Islam will prove crucial to thwarting Islam's continuing advances. It is often claimed that the truth will prove pivotal to stopping Islam, I agree. But the most shocking truth about Islam is also the one that should get the most playing time--and as mentioned that is its built-in homicidal mania.

In fact, I think THE single biggest deterrent to Islam's advances will likely be planting worldwide awareness of the homicidal elements within Islam's ideology, and doing that of course through the media. There are literally hundreds of passages in the Kuran, Hadiths, and Sira that openly advocate homicide and sociopathic behavior but most poeple aren't really aware of them. Given that people are inherently fearful and suspicious of those who even are BELIEVED to have commited murder--just look at all the lefties who scream George W. Bush is a mass murderer in order to accrue political sympathy and instill fear and suspicion against him, even when it is largely false--there is clearly a very potent weapon that could be used against Islam if people had the will to use it. When Islam's comtempt for human life is made public, the world's opinion of Islam should plummet for good. And then we should have no problem getting rid of it.

Islam must be held accountable for its centuries of murder and mayhem and brutal totalitarianism. Its inherent and intractable brutality must be EXPOSED for all the world to see. Americans must get busy on outlawing Islam and putting Muslims in concentration camps (which they must never be allowed to leave)to protect themselves from Islam's lethal practices. But who will do all this? And when??

The only way to get Islam outlawed in the United States that I can see will be to show that, from a legal standpoint, Islam constitutes conspiracy to commit first-degree murder and the actual committing of first-degree murder--along with the fact that Islam cannot exist without these components. Islam is therefore in violation of legal codes everywhere and puts millions of lives in jeopardy daily accross the world. WHO wants to convert to something like THAT???? Yuck! Double yuck (even if it explains it all to you)!!!

When all this is made public about Islam's homicidal underpinnings, then there will be hope of halting Islam's march of madness, slaughter and global domination. Latin America will be among the beneficiaries of stopping Islam, but this won't happen anytime soon, sadly.

We have a window of stopping Islam and to keep that window from closing I maintain that we MUST make clear to the world at large that Islam's homicidal and essential elements are 100% incompatible with civilization of any kind. And once everybody knows what Islam REALLY IS (legalized murder) the rest should be a piece of cake.

Deliver us from Islam!!!

"pro-Jihad Leftists like Lula and Chavez."
-- from a posting above

I did not say, and did not mean to imply, that Lula da Silva is at all like Chavez. Chavez is the worst kind of los-de-abajo caudillo (see "El Senor Presidente"), and he demonstrates one side of shape-shifting Islam: the ability of a belief-system that encourages the acquisition of wealth not through work but rather through the seizure of loot, and continuing to demand payment of more loot, from Infidels conquered and then subjugated, to pretend to wear some ill-fitting mantle of "social justice" (presumably based on the not-very-important fact that both rich and poor Muslims can prostrate themselves in the same mosques, facing toward the same guiding mihrab). Yet because the United States, identified, quite sloppily, as standing for a particular system of economic arrangements, is also the most powerful current obstacle to the world-wide spread of Islam (who knows -- it might be China, a Christianized China, in a few decades), those who like Chavez take the United States as the sulphuric devil incarnate may, as Chavez has done, overlook everything that is wrong with Islam (which is to say, everything) and make common and ostentatious cause with Muslims.

In Brazil, the similarly los-de-abajo Lula has not been a firebrand, has tried to encourage foreign investment, has a stake not in oil but in gettig off oil, and is not to be confused with Chavez.

It may be that those who wish to proclaim their alienation from The System, their opposition to something they call "Capitalism" without bothering to define it, more readily turn to Islam as the supposed vehicle of social protest only when other vehicles are no longer available. A real Marxist would see Islam as just one more opiate of the people, and for Muslims, the Infidel who is a Communist is no better than any other kind of Infidel.

Islam offers something for everyone: the Complete Regulation of Life, and the Prefabricated Enemy Suitable for Blame on Every Occasion, for those who might otherwise be Nazis or Fascists. Enmity to the United States, and a false hint of "social -- i.e., economic -- justice" that is belied by every Muslim state. In those countries a small group wins economic power by controlling political power. There are all kinds: the ruling tribal family (the Al-Saud, Al-Thani, Al-Maktoum, Al-Sabah); the military leader who founds a family dynasty, as Assad in Syria, or as Mubarak in Egypt and Qaddafy in Libya are attepmting to do. There are kings and kinglets in Morocco and Jordan. There are corrupt generals in Algeria, akin to the stratokleptocracy in Egypt. There was the Sunni despotism, based on a Tikrit family-and-friends plan, of Saddam Hussein. In Pakistan, an Amurath an Amurath succeeds -- one damned terry-thomased moustachioed general after another, varying only in the degree of meretriciousness and loyalty to Islam, and all the wealth remains concentrated in the hands of zamindars and, of course, those same generals. In Egypt, the stratokleptocracy provides a good living for Mubarak and his family-and-friends plan, with a different carrier, that gets better reception, than that favored by Saddam Hussein.

Economic justice in a system that favors the despot, and where the main source of wealth is not dispersed, not the result of decentralized individual efforts, but rather flows to the state -- oil revenues, the disguised Jizyah of foreign aid from Infidels --and those who control political power also control, and disburse to themselves, much of the nation's wealth. That is Islam in its natural state. In some places -- as in Turkey -- Kemalism has interfered with it, and there is something like a real economy in Turkey. But only because Kemal Ataturk first constrained the power of Islam. In Iraq the Americans are not trying, not even thinking about trying, to do that.

Chavez, incidentally, manages to survive his destrtuction of the Venezuelan non-oil economy only because the oil wealth keeps him afloat, the way the Soviet Union used to keep Castro afloat (and now, perhaps, Castro will be kept afloat, for a while, by Chavez). There is no model here for other Latin American countries -- or rather, Venezuela, and Chavez, are models to be avoided.

This is vieux jeu. Martin Luis Guzman, Miguel Angel Asturias. They've seen these Chavez characters before. They've written about them.

Nowadays, just add oil revenues, and stir.

Factors militating against Islamic conversions among Latin Americans:

Latin Americans have a culture (with many different regional variations & flavors, of course) of strong sensuality and earthy pleasures, including sexy music, and a remarkable syncretism of native polytheisms with their Catholicism (which the Catholic Church, in its wisdom, has been flexible enough to permit wherever it is deemed to reflect a deeper connection with Christian theology).

Factors conducive to Islamic conversions among Latin Americans:

A profound, and almost chthonic, antipathy to the white West, particularly the gringos of the USA, which has over the decades made various portions of Latin Americans susceptible to the Marxist pathology. Also, Latin American culture in general has fostered a tendency toward governmental and societal corruption, disorder, and local tyrants, which can cause a disorientation and loss of connection with traditional sources of order, such as Catholicism, and move many to seek out an alternative source of order. When that alternative source also brings with it a condemnation of the West and especially of gringos, as well as an alternative economic system that has hints of Marxism, it could be attractive to many Latin Americans.

This story illustrates nicely how Islamaniacs are like roaches-they both are found in all parts of the world, even in the least likely places. It's really a pity an "accident" couldn't have been arranged for the heads of Iran and Venezuela when they were in New York to spout their usual drivel. The sooner these maniacs disappear the better. Of course there will still be Islamaniacs but starting with their leaders would be a step in the right direction.

Provoslavni: I followed your link on the Tzotzil Muslims of Southern Mexico. It says that 300 of them have converted to Islam. However, Ethnologue, from the Summer INstitute of Linguistics, gives figures that suggest that there are a few less than 300,000 speakers of the various Tzotzil dialects. Hence, three hundred Muslims among them are scarcely a mass movement into Islam. Evangelicalism (potentially more fiercely anti-Islamic in its various, strongly independent branches than a Papacy constrained by diplomatic nicety) is probably far better represented among them. Further, Islam's loss of a few thousand to Evangelicalism in Turkey and Iran in recent years and a flow of people out of Islam in the Muslim diaspora is probably a far more significant trend.

Further, I note that your link to the article on the Tzotzil Muslims raises the nonsensical business about "non-racist" Islam. My guess is that once the Tzotzil and Latina Muslims have a bit more exposure to Islam as it really is, there will be something of a defection back to Christianity, just as there has been among African-Americans.

Yes, Islam is a danger; but the arm of God (who became incrnate in Jesus of Nazareth--see John Ch. 1)is not so shortened that it cannot save. The Bible says that God loves the repentant, so maybe we need a more widespread re-Christianization of the West (including Latin America).

BTW, if Latin American Evangelicals were "bribed" into their new faith, they must have been dirt poor to begin with. In Latin America, most Evangelicals remain in the lower classes--although marginally better off due to the adoption of certain personal habits that are conducive to prosperity. Further, up in El Norte, many Evangelical and Pentecostal congregations become foci for Latino communities and act pretty much like any other Evangelical church, only using Spanish rather than English. It's also Muslim tactics to accuse the Evangelicals of bribing people into conversion (it's hit the Turkish press, I understand), even though the Muslims do it far more egregiously. And, while we're at it, most of the little trickle of ex-Muslims into Evangelical churches that I have seen seems to be of people whose disgust at the jihadis opened them to alternatives.

FInally, re non-Catholic Latinos and immigrants from the Middle East, there was a period of time when Taipei's small and rather transient Jewish community was held together by the efforts of a Salvadorean diplomat.

Oh Hugh! You dinosaur you! (I mean this in a nice way, you're a nice dinosaur, one that has survived successive diastrophisms, and bestrides the earth majestically.) Why liken you to a majestic, warm-blooded herbivore? You, my superior in education and intellect, are steeped in the Humanities, a branch of knowledge deemed today to be as obsolete as--well--as a dinosaur. But no, no, I hasten to add, YOU are not obsolete--but being a Liberal Artist is out of vogue in this day when such knowledge is deemed superfluous for carving anything out of the world, by way of a career, (except in academia perhaps, and even there--).

Now that I have done with the flattery (backhanded at times perhaps, sickeningly obsequious at others) let me get to the point:

You said:

"Or is that connection today so etiolated that what happens to Spain does not matter, or cannot be made to matter, as a way of waking those who might otherwise be preoccupied only with the power and the perceived mistakes, and possibly at times even the admirable qualities of the Colossus of the North?"

I know for certain that in some Spanish-American countries (Cuba comes to mind), La Madre Patria is honored--that being 'the mother-land:" Spain. Of course, Cuba is one of the Spanish-American countries that most recently cut the umbilical cord from Spain.

The Bolivarian countries will be more difficult to enlist in an effort to save Spain from the Moslems (los moros). Perhaps because their liberator from Spain (El Libertador) was not 100% Iberian. Colombia which Bolivar considered "the University" of the lands he freed from Spain, has remnants of Spanish culture. Venezuela? Not much hope for it there.

Chile appears to have more ties to Spain than do the high Andean countries: Peru and Bolivia. There, they do not have a warm feeling for Spain (although perhaps in Peru, the European-descended stratum). Argentina (molto italiani*) perhaps there is some sentiment for la madre patria among some, but han muchos moros por alla. Now, Jorge Luis Borges would have been a good place to start, but he is no longer around, hasn't been for far too long.

Paraguay and Uruguay (quien sabe? I don't). Let's see now, who is left? Ecuador, as you point out, there many Ecuadorians in Spain, perhaps that is the place to start.

Central America with its rich indigenous heritage has most probably not positive memories of the conquistadors and the land from whence they came.

The "Colossus of the North" must try to counteract the inroads made by the Moslems with as you suggest Spanish-speakers that do not reflect the image of the "Ugly American" held by too many Spanish-Americans (among other populations in the world).

(Yes, yes, I know that the original "Ugly American" was not so because of his actions but because of his appearance.)

Whether the American ruling elite will see fit to try and keep Latin America from becoming riddled with jihadists is doubtful. All it appears to be caught up in is to get people voting so that they can call themselves a "democracy" and join the other "democracies" of the world in equivalent brotherhood.

Please overlook the malapropisms,should there be any.

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*My Italian is rusty or hardly existent to be more correct, perhaps less so than my Spanish, which is fading, fading . . .

Ojala or hopefully. found this via google and a translation from Spanish

The word “hopefully” (Ojala) does not come from the Arab إنشاءالله (in sha'a Allah) “if God wants”, as so many times it is repeated, but of the Arab لوشاءالله (law sha'a Allah) “if God wanted”. The test is in that it is not possible to be placed such “hopefully” in places that “if God wants”. For example, if one is going to lie down and it says to him to his mother: “see you tomorrow, if God wants”, its mother to duer to me happy. But as it says to him: “see you tomorrow, hopefully”, her mother will not stick eye having cried to think that his son is going to have serious difficulties to arrive at at some future date. In Arab the particle إن (in) is used for a real condition, that in Spanish we expressed with the verb in present time, “if God wants”. And particle لو (law) uses for condition unreal, as much if it is possible as if it is impossible, that in Spanish we expressed with the verb in imperfect of subjunctive when is possible, “if God wanted”, or in pluscuamperfecto of subjunctive when is impossible, “if God had wanted”. For that reason the Arab phrase that originates ours “hopefully” is the expression of a desire that at the moment is not real, although the possibility does not discard: “hopefully” = “if God wanted”. The other conditional one, the real one, is used the future for certain: “tomorrow I will happen to verte (if God wants)”; this one, the unreal one, is used the future for uncertain: “How I would like to be able to happen to verte (if God wanted)”. The formula pronounced in dialecto Arab andalusí “lawsha'alláh”, soon “lawshallá”, soon “loshalá”, and Castilian the old one took it with aphaeresis from the initial l, “oxalá”, that gave rise to the Spanish “hopefully”.

Nariz,

As a result of 800 years of brutal occupation by Arabic speaking Muslims, much of modern Spanish vocabulary is of Arabic origin. Just one example among hundreds: Spanish for "shirt" is "camisa" from the Arabic "kameez". I could go on but you get the idea.

I remember hearing, and reading, about many Israeli soldiers who went to South America after serving in Israel. Hardened soldiers, not those from the recent crop.

Let us hope they are at work there.

Provoslavni, don't forget ¡Olé! -- directly stemming from "Allah".

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¡Olé! is very interesting. It comes from Allah indirectly. Arab riders would shout "y'ella, y'ella" which actually meant "faster faster" but transliterated to Spaniards as ¡Olé! (Hurrah, Bravo) when they were riding or cheering riders. It then moved into the bull ring and other sports. "Y'ella" comes from "Ya' Allah" which literally means "Lord God".