Instrumental music is automatically an issue under sharia law due to the dictates of Muhammad. For example:
Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:
that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." (Bukhari 007.069.494v)
In addition, if the subject of Western music is to arise at all at Punjab University, its early history is inextricably linked to the Catholic liturgy and clergy, including at the time of the Crusades. Not to mention the time spent on Lutheran chorales in the instruction of music theory. Clearly, this could pose a problem.
Sharia Alert from The Daily Times: "Punjab University hires British music professor"
LAHORE: Punjab University has hired a British professor, Cambridge-graduate William Keith Timmney, and other international musicians to teach at the Department of Musicology despite threats by conservative elements, officials told Daily Times.
[...]
The department has received hundreds of admission applications for the two-year Master’s programme in Music and classes for the maiden batch will begin on October 6. Theory classes will be held at the old campus of Punjab University (PU) and practical classes will be held at Alhamra.
PU Registrar Professor Dr Naeem Khan has said the faculty was hired despite threats and pressure put by "anti-education elements" such as Islami Jamiat Talaba (IJT).
"We have initiated the academic programme strictly for promotion of culture of our region," he said, "and will not let anyone impose their opinion over the majority." He said the university was "prepared to deal with miscreants".
He said the administration and the vice chancellor had envisioned the Musicology Department in response to demands by students and to promote the legacy of Muslim mystics such as Ameer Khusro, Khawaja Moeenuddin Chishti, Khushhal Khan Khatak and folksinger Pathanay Khan.
"We have started a Master’s programme initially, and Bachelor’s classes will follow soon," the registrar said. The programme was not meant to promote vulgarity, he said, "but to promote our culture internationally." The department will be part of the Institute of Art and Design (IAD) in the beginning, he said, but would become independent later. The IJT has already threatened to "physically resist" music classes on campus and threatened the administration with dire consequences against programmes for performing arts.
As a musician, I have, on a personal level, always found this ban against music to be unexplainable and downright demonic. Yes, music can be used both for good and for evil, but to ban music is beyond my comprehension.
If one adds the ban on the human figure in art work then we have reached a situation where the fine arts are virtually non-existant in Islam.
On a human level, beauty - truth - love, this is scary to see a religion so devoid of human expression. This is not to take away from some of the beautiful Islamic geographic patterns and such. But, it is to point out the seemingly blandness of art in the Islamic world.
I add hate of music to my list for never being Muslim. What a sterile, prison of religion. What is there to do? Hate,kill, study that damn quran and impregnate your wife? I would rather be dead then live life as a Muslim.
I feel sorry for many of them, they don't know what they lose being Muslim. All I can say to them is throw off your damn chains and be free! Live dammit, know joy, escape Islam. Embrace your humanity.Toss the Quran, that vile fraud Muhammed and all the rest of the evil in the dustbin of history.
Do these people ever just leave anyone alone to enjoy life? I hope this program succeeds. Any one who attacks them should shot by the police like the rabid dogs they are. Bless the Music students and their teachers. Let them succeed and let it be a taunt to the filithy losers in the dirty night shirts. God knows that the vile pit known as Pakistan could use some beauty. Pakistan is as close to hell as one can get in this life.
abdulashirk,
There must be certain joys of being a muslim man. sure you aren't allowed to drink, dance, enjoy music, be nice to infidals, respect other religions, etc. but you give up all this for being assured of having 72 virgins after death, dominating and suppressing women and girls, having every vile habits like rape, murder, thievery sanctioned by your holy book. ahh yes, yes the joys of being a full muslim man. no wonder islam is so popular among inmates in prisons.
"This is not to take away from some of the beautiful Islamic geographic patterns and such."
-- from a posting above
Geometric, the writer meant. Those "Islamic geographic patterns" are exactly what worry us the most.
In line with Desidude's comments, perhsps I should say Islam has very little to offer the intelligent and decent. It appeals to thugs and those of a degraded,sensual mindset. Islam appeals to those who are juvenille in mentality. Islam has the same tacky,sensual,shallow and ever so pathetic notions of the good life as Gangster rap videos. Any religion that hypes it followers up to commit murder so they can get laid is pretty lame. Islam is for losers, no wonder prisioners like it, Gangsta rap culture and Islam are dirty kissing cousins. Frequently their constituancies meet.
"My ole imam , said string up the girl , and slavery for the rest of your girls....." ( to the tune of "My Old Imaman"
yes , it's not cole porter , BUT , this is reality...
happy chusok to all infidels...
Music is considered a sin? What is wrong with these people? These people need to get a life, or let others live their own lives. Apparently they know better than everyone else how to live.
It's just another example of the controlling nature of the Muslim world. It needs to be stopped immediately.
Alcohol, silk and sexual intercourse? Darn! I knew I went to the wrong music school. Couple that with my minor in Russian and hanging out with Dostoevsky and the boys, and I really forgot to mis-spend my youth. I feel so lucky that somewhere in the world, the Muslims are ensuring that no one else has any fun, either.
My screenname says it all....nothing is gonna keep my AMERICANMADESTRAT quiet! I never thought my profession would offend so many! What a beautiful time to be a musician. If I could just get my cartooning skills past stick figures...
Monkeywho: You are wrong. This is great news. The West should encourage the implementation of strict Sharia laws in Muslim lands, should NOT protest the Islamic mis-treatment of women, should encourage the exclusive study of the Koran in their schools, etc.
Why? Because all the above will make sure that Islamic countries stay primitive and fall farther behind the civilized world.
Now must come forth my inner Music Teacher (my bachelor's degree) to remind people that this would have happened to the west, if not for Palestrina. (well, we'd have chant, but not much more than that). . .
The legend goes that Pope Marcellus and a bunch of Cardinals were having the Council of Trent and one of the big subjects was "Should we ban or allow polyphonic music in churches?" (for non-musician-tyoes, polyphonic means "many sounds", as in, I sing one thing, you sing another, maybe with different rythms, and it all sounds good!)
Palestrina composed the Pope Marcellus Mass and had it performed in, I think, St. Mark's Cathedral, and thereby convinced the assembled clergy, through the astounding beauty of the music, that music in Mass (even if it wasn't chant) was a Good Thing. I would recommend a good listen if you've never heard this amazing piece. Because of Palestrina's efforts, Western Music was allowed to grow, and flourish, leading to Bach, Mozart, Beehoven, Chopin, Gershwin . . . and even rock and roll. ^__^
Back to the original topic though, I agree with other commentors-- I've always found the Koranic ban on music to be rather. . .evil seeming. . .
Nothing could be as bleak as a life under islam, with no music, no dance, no painting, no sculpture.
The only thing comparable to Islam in history is China during the cultural revolution.
Destruction of monuments, massive brainwashing, bleakness and uniformization everywhere.
Islam is a descent into barbarism.
"Gangsta rap culture and Islam are dirty kissing cousins. Frequently their constituancies meet," wrote abdulalshirk.
To the tune of Sir Mix-A-Lot's "Baby Got Back"
I like big blades and I can not lie
All my Muslim brothers can't deny
When you're cutting off a Kaffir's head
and you see that they're dead
You get sprung,
Shouts of Allahu Akbar just role off your tongue
Underneath the kaffiya that I'm wearing
I just watch Al-Jezeera and keep staring
Oh you Infidels, I wanna get wit'cha
Cut off your head and take your picture
Mr. Bush tried to warn me
But doing jihad makes
oops cmoputer glitch cut the last line...
I like big blades and I can not lie
All my Muslim brothers can't deny
When you're cutting off a Kaffir's head
and you see that they're dead
You get sprung,
Shouts of Allahu Akbar just role off your tongue
Underneath the kaffiya that I'm wearing
I just watch Al-Jezeera and keep staring
Oh you Infidels, I wanna get wit'cha
Cut off your head and take your picture
Mr. Bush tried to warn me
But doing jihad makes me soo horny
Boy,these guys sure like to take the fun out of life. No wonder martyrdom is so highly valued.
Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection." (Bukhari 007.069.494v)
What a peaceful religion, or I should say cult. Music is unislamic. It will lead to fornication? And of course they will kill to stop this blasphamy.
Provoslavni that's tight.
Love it! Muslims are a bunch of caca phonies.
I wonder, being a bit of a jazz fan myself, what to make of
Art (Buhaina) Blakey,
Leo Morris (Idris Muhammad),
Yusef Lateef,
Dollar Brand (Abdullah Ibrahim)
Ahmal Jamad
and others. Didn't they get the memo from the
Muslim Main Office? Or is it a case of "My Own
Private Islam" mixed with some amount of "I hate
whitey".
With a bit of luck they might issue a Fatwa against Cat Stevens or what ever his muslim name is.
Hmmm, let's see now, how many normal human activities are 'unislamic' and proscribed by the Koran?
Singing, dancing, music, alcohol, smoking, all types of sport, television, painting, acting, sculpture, photography, keeping dogs, wearing
silk(!), and education & learning of any kind whatsoever. Not an exhaustive list by any means, but it will do for starters.
This might provide us with a clue about why Mohammed was depraved , and why so many Muslims today are sexual perverts too.
I mean, there isn't exactly a lot else to do, is there?
As I sit here in my silk boxers sharing a glass of wine with my present girlfriend, I think I'll grab my guitar and write a tune for Moham-MAD.
Cat Stevens = Yousef Islam
I bearly got through rhytum sticks in grade school, but I'll make better music with those than they can with nothing. Go figure...
Monkeywho: You are wrong. This is great news. The West should encourage the implementation of strict Sharia laws in Muslim lands, should NOT protest the Islamic mis-treatment of women, should encourage the exclusive study of the Koran in their schools, etc.
Why? Because all the above will make sure that Islamic countries stay primitive and fall farther behind the civilized world.
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Actually the problem is that these "primitives" actually have degrees from Wester universities and are in the process of getting nuclear weapons. They don't fear death and they don't give a darn about life. A person unable to express themselves through beauty and truth is a deformed soul and dangerous.
These Islamic countries are becoming more dangerous and if we aren't careful they'll blow up the civilized world before they have a chance to fall behind.
All the mosques in Arabia aren't 5 bars of Wes Montgomery's Guitar work on the 1965 LP "Bumpin."
repost:
All the mosques in Arabia aren't WORTH 5 bars of Wes Montgomery's Guitar work on the 1965 LP "Bumpin."
Monkeywho: they will hate us no matter how much music or Western principles and education you force downt their throats. Therefore, it is better to encourage them to self-destruct by being as true to Islam as possible.
Islam the strongest horse?
What, threatened by some music?
Haha!
Evergreen State College in Washington state, the college where Rachel Corrie attended, does not teach music. Sometimes they'll throw in a course on native American drum beats, but not European Classical. It's a very depressing campus to visit. Feels dark and sad.
I agree with you, Monkeywho.
Unlike most of the people here, I have actually been the victim of Muslim censorship. I hope you will indulge me if I recount this at some length.
When I was first at College I worked at the International House in Berkeley. One of the directors saw my artwork and offered me a show. I had had a few pieces in group shows, but i had not had a solo show yet. I was so excited! I was just 19.
I arrived at work two hours early on Friday so I could mount my artwork in the cases. Like most young artists, it was a bit of a hodgepodge--landscapes, portraits, and a number of fairy paintings. One of the fairies was nude. This was a tasteful nude, with long flowing hair and butterfly wings. There were Children's illustrations from the Victorian period that were more explicit, so I thought nothing of it.
As a "starving artist" I had hand-made most of my own frames from painted balsa wood, which is inexpensive but very fragile. Most of the larger pieces were unframed, and just mounted with tacks.
After I finished my classes for the day, I raced back up to the International House to get another look at my artwork hanging on the wall. I was stunned to find that everything had been ripped down--there were chunks of wood and torn bits of artwork littering the bottom of the cases. My first thought was theft, but I soon realized that this made no sense--I was unknown at the time, and the cases themselves were intact. It being Friday, the office was closed for the weekend. I would have to wait until Monday to find out what had happened to my artwork.
On Monday morning, I raced to the office as soon as it was open. The director seemed chagrinned. There had been a complaint about my art. I could not imagine who would have complained--and about what? Then I remembered the nude--was there, maybe, some old, uptight visiting alumnus who was offended? Then I learned that the complainants were *students*. This made even less sense to me. Conservative Christians, maybe? I really could not think of anyone. Then I learned that the complainers were Muslim students, particularly Iranians.
This was 1979, and I knew about the "Islamic revolution" in Iran, and had heard about the religious crackdowns there. I had assummed, though, that any Iranian students here in the West would count themselves lucky to be well away from this kind of narrow-minded insanity. The idea that they would carry it with them to a Liberal Western University seemed inconcievable to me.
I had not meant my show to be controversial--it was meant to be sweet and beautiful. I asked why they couldn't have waited for me to remove the "offending" piece. Oh, she said, she had suggested this. When they protested, she offered to hang a sheet over it until I could take it down. They insisted that it come down right away--and all of it, all of it, not just the nude.
I don't think she ever considered saying no. We did not even discuss this as a possibility.
I don't know if they themselves tore it down--more likely, it was just someone (perhaps the director herself) who simply did not know how to take the artwork down without severly damaging it. In any case, many of the frames were broken or dented. Many of the smaller unmounted paintings were torn beyond salvaging. One of the pieces I was able to save, ironically, was the nude itself, by trimming it rather severly where it had been ripped around the edges.
A few days later, a neutral "History of the International House" display appeared in the cases. A few months later, I did get another show. I did not hang any nudes. By this time, I had already had a few shows elsewhere, at small galleries and cafes.
I wish that I could tell you that I really learned something about the nature of Islam at the time. For a while, it was just an odd, painful anecdote. I am sad to say that it probably took another decade for me to really understand the significance of this event, how widespread the destruction of art by Muslims has been. It would take until 9/11 for me to completely realize the threat Islam made to the non-Muslim world.
gravenimage, that's a really sad story. I'm sorry that happened to you. It really brings home what we're always talking about here, doesn't it?
Muslims can't stand artwork or music, but they're always up for a good beheading. But then again, a beheading is instructional.
“if I ever get to heaven, I would first of all seek out Mozart -- and only then inquire after Augustine, St. Thomas, Luther, Calvin, and Schleiermacher.”
~ Protestant theologian Karl Barth (1886 - 1968)
Compare the pathological, obsessive-compulsive puritanism of Islam with the great Christian theologian, Karl Barth's attitude. Karl Barth was a fiercely devout Swiss Calvinist -- hardly a namby-pamby New Age type liberal Christian.
Barth was quite a hard-nosed theologian. He believed, for example, that God was “wholly other” - inaccessible to human beings except through the Bible.
And yet:
But paradoxically, Barth’s insistence on God’s otherness seemed to free him to revel in the world at hand. He loved tobacco and other creature comforts, and his tastes in art and entertainment were hearty and worldly. In this spirit, he was devoted to Mozart.
Barth never began a day without Mozart. First thing every morning, he would put a record on the phonograph and listen for an hour or so. Only after that would he turn to his newspaper, and then set down to the day’s work - his 13-volume systematic theology, Dogmatics.
Barth once declared that “if I ever get to heaven, I would first of all seek out Mozart - and only then inquire after Augustine, St. Thomas, Luther, Calvin, and Schleiermacher.”
[Barth once speculated] that maybe the angels played Bach when going about their daily task of praising God. “But,” he went on to say “I am sure... that when they are together en famille they play Mozart and that then too our dear Lord listens with special pleasure.”
http://www.firstparishweston.org/sermons/suespencer/whymozart.html
And another fatwa courtesy of Pelayo and Ibrahim Desai:
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=12923
The actual question is not important.
Answer 12923
1. According to Shariah, it is not permissible to watch TV due to the many un-Islamic issues in it.
2. It is also prohibited to listen to music. Rasulullah (Salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam) said, There will be a nation from my Ummah who will make music their lot one day while enjoying their music and alcohol they will awake with their faces transformed into swine. In fact, Rasulullah (Salaa Allahu Alayhi wa sallam) said, I was sent to destroy all musical instruments. Instead of music rather listen to the Holy Quran.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
What's funny is the pompous way Mohammad goes about issuing his fatwas.
First of all the mountain. I just took a guitar next to a mountain and strummed a couple of chords and the mountain did not fall on me and I did not become a pig or an ape.
Therefore, the Koran is false and all who follow it are like those who light a fire and continue to be confused in the darkness. And Lo, they have been turned into lizards, apes and pigs, but they know it not. But Allah surely knows it for he is all seeing, wise.
Okay?
Allah knows best. See if you agree:
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6881
As for the punishment of stoning a person to death, are we as Muslims supposed to also follow the rule of Jesus whom said "Only those of you who are sinless may cast the first stone". Or can someone who has sinned stone another person to death?
Muslim Answer: The Bible is replete with additions and inconsistencies. We are compelled to adhere to the Qur’aan and Hadith as our source of guidance and not the abrogated teachings of Eesa (Alayhis salaam).
Every human being except the Ambiyaa (Alayhis salaam) is a sinner. If we apply the aforementioned principle to the punishment of stoning, the penal code of Islam will fall apart. In short, sinners can also stone adulteress to dead provided the punishment is carried out within the Islamic framework of the penal code.
and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
Mufti Muhammad Kadwa
FATWA DEPT.
CHECKED AND APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai
" And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.'
Okay, the whole thing is nuts ... bans against silk and music and alcohol .. (not to mention: women, dogs, literacy, good humor, love, reason etc ) .. but. there is at least one common thread:
pleasure.
What the heck is it about "some people who will stay near the side of a mountain" etc. ? Why does this warrant a violent death?
Why is it that everything that is written in the name of Islam, when it isn't plainly sick, is an incoherent bunch of gobbeldy gook?
"Rock 'n roll is here to stay, it will never die.
It was meant to be that way, though I don't know why.
I don't care what people say;
Rck and Roll is here to stay."
Danny and the Juniors, 1958
gravenimage -- that's an interesting anecdote. Death by a Thousand and One Cuts is just as lethal as a Beheading.
The only difference is temporal, determining exactly at which point you allowed yourself to be murdered.
This anti-music stuff smacks of Wahabbi / Deodandi type puritanism. I vaguely remember seeing a Yamaha portable organ with ARABIC painted on it in large letters - presumably the Japanese produce these things tuned to a scale for the middle eastern market. I remember spending a long coach trip in Morocco wondering whether the singers of the songs, tapes of which the driver played non-stop, were women or boys - it's difficult to tell. They were all backed by small combos, playing away furiously. The Iranians traditionally go in for the sound of a kind of dulcimer that sounds something like a pub piano. Of course some cultures only allow drum playing -with all its warlike associations - but this story sounds like Pakistanis being even sillier than usual to me.
Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is able to save to the uttermost all who call upon Him.
Very interesting thread. I realized quickly (and I'm not the brightest bulb in the package) when learning about Islam that it appeals to the sensual, pleasurable aspects of the body, whereas Christianity, Judaism, and even Hinduism and Buddhism seem to try to lift the spirit and transcend our natural selfishness. They look to a sacrifice of self, putting others first and a hope of attaining a purity of mind rather than a hope of satisfying the self.
I didn't know that music is banned in Islam. How sad. If Allah doesn't like music, how the heck did it get here? I happen to believe it is the creation of God, Who was gracious enough to share it with us, and put its spark in our brains, souls and spirits. After all, it's just a wonderfully beautiful form of mathematics. I thought the Arabs were big on mathmetics.
It's so hard to believe that people ever swallowed what Mohammed said. It is such crap.
Ynkedoodl2, Welcome to the Fatwa Surfers Club. There is a wealth of information there and a few laughs. Here are two more sources:
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ln=eng
http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/Browse.asp?hGuestID=lI2P2A
Some music is said to drive evil spirits away. Maybe that's why Mohammed didn't like it.
I thought the Arabs were big on mathmetics. by Stand fast in the liberty
Here are two facts to destroy some myths:
The zero as a number was not invented by Arabs; it is of Indian origin and pre-dates Mohammed anyway.
Algebra was invented around 750 AD, and therefore, Islam was not an indluence.
Other than holy wars, Muslim Arabs have invented nothing.
Thanks, Pelayo. Obviously, I have fallen prey to several myths about Islam that have been perpetuated by multiculturalists! I appreciate the information. This site is full of surprises and fascinating stuff.
"What a peaceful religion, or I should say cult. Music is unislamic. It will lead to fornication? And of course they will kill to stop this blasphamy."
Yes - music? Blasphemy, an affront to God.
Killing? Not so much.
Prophet Geoff
Stand fast in the liberty, Saudi Arabia had a pavilion at the 1982 Worlds Fair in Knoxville, Tenn. The propaganda was overwhelming; they did claim the zero, the telescope, celestial navigation, and more. In 1982 I believed it, not any more.
GRAVENIMAGE:
Very, very interesting story. I was sorry to hear about it btu glad you shared.
Welcome to the international counter-jihad.
Prophet Geoff
Libbysmom wrote:
gravenimage, that's a really sad story. I'm sorry that happened to you. It really brings home what we're always talking about here, doesn't it?
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Thank you for your kind words. I would not want to live in a world without art and music. Yes, there is a lot of junk out there, but also great beauty.
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jsla wrote:
gravenimage -- that's an interesting anecdote. Death by a Thousand and One Cuts is just as lethal as a Beheading.
The only difference is temporal, determining exactly at which point you allowed yourself to be murdered.
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To be honest, I don't know if the complaining students were threatening, or if they just harped on how deeply they were offended. I considered myself pretty knowledgable about both history and current events at the time (and by some standards I was). But I was fairly clueless about a lot of things, and had no idea at the time as to how to put this in context.
Thank you also, Geoff.
Here is what Mohammed himself had to say about Art.:
"The people who will be most severly punished by Allah on the day of ressurection are the picture-makers".
Pedophilia, slavery, the stoning of rape victims, raiding your peaceful neighbors for booty and the murder of poets and nursing mothers in the dark of night are fine. It is artists and musicians who are really deserving of supression. Insane.
Geometric, the writer meant. Those "Islamic geographic patterns" are exactly what worry us the most.
Posted by: Hugh
No wonder they like the swastika so much.
Pakistan is as close to hell as one can get in this life.
Absent the Islamic Republic of Afghan, about which I've heard some unbelievable stories from young neighbor boys who hung out in my family room (video games, TV, boy talk, wrestling matches that I had explicitly probibited) who became Marines and served there, I'd have to go with you on this.
Paki competes with Afghan for the Ultimate Hell-Hole Prize (no offense to Arabia here).
I have a college friend, an apostate from Islam who grew up in the high caste in Islamabad. Great tennis player, perfect English. LSE economics degree.
Anyway, I went to grad school with this dude and he had a real big hangup about Islam. I always sensed his personal fear on the subject. After grad school, he got into into the pot distribution biz and was busted with 1200 pounds of Marijuana in his trunk by the State Troopers on the NJ Turnpike... for driving slower than the mandatory minimum speed. (He was sampling the goods during his transport mission, he showed terrible operational discipline.) They pulled his stoned ass over for going 38mph in a 50mph minimum zone.
Into prison. Into the NJ court system. Into prison. Into a recruitment session with the CIA, who had been after him from the day he matriculated at my university. Into a signed personal services contract with the CIA. Conversant in English, Urdu, Farsi, and Arabic, he became an intelligence asset. The CIA had him out of jail and into pocket as a Paki asset.
It was tough, but he did his duty for 10 long dangerous years. He always refused to tell me anything about his operations. Unlike Valeri Plane, he honored his confidentiality agreement cuz he knew it would be enforced against him.
Years later, we reunited and he told me about his return trip to Paki. The CIA had the class to take him back into Paki with a security escort to visit his home town Islamabad in order to visit his dying grandfather at his death bed.
After 20 yrs in the States, he was stunned by the filth and the chaos in Paki. He spoke of being whisked down one-way streets by his CIA-hired escorts in which crazed Jihadists cruised up one-way streets the wrong way. The open use of child labor and slave labor. The openess of sex-slavery (a linch pin of the Sunnah).
He also noted the near toal absence of law enforcement. The chaos in Islamabad stunned him. Over a 3-mile drive, he looked down 3 alley ways to see grown men sodomizing young boys crouched over doggy-style.
He has not returned to Dar al-Islam since.
Couldn't take it. Paki is chaos. Paki is in Sharia. Funded by American Jizyah.
Paki is Hindu infused with the negative commandments of Allah and Mohammed (or of just Mohammed posing as Allah which is the most likely case). Paki is our future vision of Global Sharia.
And I din't even mention his reports on family incest on young girls, which is also prevalent there.
* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *
Is Paki the worst place on earth? Is Paki Arabia wihtout the petrodollars? Is Paki the Moslem ideal?
I think so. Except for maybe the Jizyah could be better; they deserve more apology dollars.
While few Muslims have anything to do with Western classical music, all the Muslims I have known personally were passionately fond of pop, bhangra, rap or jazz. These fatwas just count as another fracture line in the already much-fragmented Muslim world, and another thing for Muslims to quarrel and kill each other over. What a demented religion.
Interesting information about Evergreen State College. Strange, considering that it must be full of old hippies and that you could not conceive a hippy without his geetar. It sounds as though political and cultural resentment (puritanism) has outgrown even the founding impulse of what used to be the New Left.
http://lighthorse.blogspot.com/
Reaf The Crusader Blog
Tuesday, September 26, 2006
Danish wake-up call on Islam
Is there finally a sea change in opinion?
By Dan Bilefsky International Herald Tribune
Published: September 25, 2006
COPENHAGEN On Sept. 5, the day Danish police arrested nine Muslim suspects in connection with a foiled terrorist plot, a slender book warning of conquest by Islamic fundamentalists in Europe appeared in bookstores here.
"Islamists and Naivists," by Karen Jespersen and Ralf Pittelkow, has since risen to the top of the best-seller list and is causing a sensation in Denmark - in part because the authors are establishment figures previously known for their progressive attitudes toward Islam and integration.
The book is also gaining notice because Denmark, a country celebrated for its fairy tales, is on the front line of the culture wars between Islam and the West following publication in a Danish newspaper late last year of cartoons lampooning the Prophet Muhammad.
Alarmed Pig Farmer, that sounds like a Francisco de Goya mural, or a scene from Dante's Inferno; it sounds like the fevered fantasy of a very sick mind, not a scene from the natural world with which we are familiar. Unreal.
Just when you think your opinion of Dar al-Islam cannot possibly get any lower, you learn a little bit more, and are surprised once again that it can sink lower yet.
there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse
Excellent. With an attitude like that, 4 more generations and the problem is gone :)
If there is one thing in all of human creation that can be held up as proof of the immortal spirit, it is the Arts. Music, especially, not only entertains, but it uplifts, heals and comforts.
The fact that Islam stands against music is just one of the most glaring proofs that it is not a religion of peace or of God or of any benign entity.
Alarmed Pig Farmer:
That account rings true and horrific. If only film crews would not be beheaded, we might one day have this evidence for the world to see, but Islam works daily to make sure that the truth stays sealed.
Intimidation is creating a generation of sycophants in the West.
What's it going to take, people? The CIA can't protect us from reality forever....
Foehammer said
It would only take one willing Pakistani cameraman, with one of those tiny hidden cameras in his clothes. No-one would know what he (or she, if wearing a burqa) was doing, no-one would behead them.
Think of those scenes displayed on a weekly news program. The ratings would be sky high: sex sells, bizarre sex sells more, and it would be the public's first glimpse into the reality of Islam and sharia.
The reaction would be as powerful as the photo of the South Vietnamese police chief executing a Viet Cong, or the photos of the German death camp victims. If done right, we could be talking Pulitzer Prize. Oh, and by the way, it might help save Western civilization.
One of my favorite CD's is that of classical Persian Music. I was reading about the group that played it to find that they all had to flee Iran during the Islamic Revolution of 1979. It's not that Islamic hardliners hate Western music...it's all music, all art. They have so much hate in them that they hate even their own cultural heratige. They hate anything that uplifts the human condition and have no concept of the gifts of God that make living in this world more bearable. How sad. These are people that have absolutely no peace in their own hearts and can't conceive of others having inner peace. We are truly living in evil times and this "thing" needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.
The Islamic antipathy to music is eschatological. Islamic culture is based on a fervent contemptus mundi (intertwined with materialistic & sensual hypocrisy, of course).
"Paki is Hindu infused with the negative commandments of Allah and Mohammed (or of just Mohammed posing as Allah which is the most likely case). Paki is our future vision of Global Sharia"
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer
Let me put this straight for you. pakis are muslims whose ancestors may have been Hindus, who were converted to islam on swordpoint. All of the muslims, including turks and saudis, were either Jews, Christians, Pagans, Hindus etc. I have told you this before, do not mix Hindus with islam. I agree with you, muslims in this part of the world have Hindu ancestry, but do keep in mind that the muslims of the middle-east and Europe have Christian and Jewish ancestry. How would you like it if I started calling turks "Turk is Christian infused with the negative commandments of allah and mohammad (or of just mohammad posing as allah which is the most likely........"
gravenimage wrote:
I was stunned to find that everything had been ripped down--there were chunks of wood and torn bits of artwork littering the bottom of the cases.
That's an insane story. It must have been truly heartbreaking.
I am reminded of recently visiting a large art museum, the Asian art wing, looking at all the gorgeous Hindu scuptures. And almost all of them had their noses broken off. Before I started reading JW, I'd have not given it must thought, but fact is, they were otherwise flawless, no other damage. And then it hit me how much untold suffering by subjegated Hindus is represented by those smashed off noses. They had to symbolically deface the religious statuary. I started imaging the scene, what tools might have been used to smash the faces, the Hindu worshippers cowering for their lives, etc. Changed my whole experience of visiting the art museum. Everywhere I looked, there was the residual message of the hate as it had played out in India, upon a culture whose art is staggeringly joyous, filled with reverential enjoyment of this brief human existence, if I may say so. The dancing postures especially exude joy and everything positive.
Running around defacing people's art. (honest art - not deliberately offensive art that serves to express adult teen rebel issues - you know the stuff.) This is a very disturbing image to me.
Funny that Mohamed (who married a six-year-old girl in his fifties) would mention
"some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse ....as lawful"
As if that had nothing to do with him.