Musharraf Meltdown Update: "M16 'didn't tell us that 7/7 bombers were in Pakistan,'" from the TimesOnline, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF of Pakistan says he is angered by the failure of British police and intelligence services to stop young British militants such as the 7/7 suicide bombers visiting his country before staging their terror attacks.He claims that British security services did not tell him until three weeks after the 7/7 bombs that Mohammad Sidique Khan, leader of the suicide bombers, and another of the gang, Shehzad Tanweer, had slipped into Pakistan only months before the attacks, which killed 52 innocent people.
He claims that British Intelligence kept secret its information about the two Yorkshire-born bombers for 17 months and their links with known Pakistani terror suspects. His disclosure will again raise questions about whether Scotland Yard, MI5 and MI6 have told all they know about the British bombers, three of whom were of Pakistani origin.
Calls by survivors of the attacks for an independent inquiry to determine what the authorities knew about the bombers will be given fresh weight by the allegations.
General Musharraf revealed this apparently serious breakdown in Pakistan’s dealings with MI6 in a TV interview in the US to promote his memoir, In the Line of Fire, which is being serialised in The Times. He told 60 Minutes on CBS News: “It disappoints me, yes. But at the same time it annoys us also. They are not Pakistani. They are born and bred in Britain and they are British.” He did not say why the 7/7 bombers and other convicted British-born terrorists visited Pakistan and denied that their attacks were planned there.
Too bad they [Times Online] can't even fact check their own articles to the point of seeing that it should be MI6 and not M16, unless of course an assault rifle is failing to pass along pertinent intelligence info to Musharraf. Using an assault rifle to do so might be kind of dangerous to the recipient of said info's health...
As for the reason the terrorists visited Pakistan, perhaps they wanted to purchase some fine hand-made rugs?... I mean geeze, Musharraf didn't even know they were visiting his country, so he MUST know they weren't planning the attacks there...
“It disappoints me, yes. But at the same time it annoys us also. They are not Pakistani. They are born and bred in Britain and they are British.”
Times covers up for Marketing Executive of Pakistan, Musharraf. CBS Interview transcript
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"Seven of the accused people involved in that plot are Pakistani. Does that bother you or surprise you?" Kroft asks.
"It disappoints me, yes. But at the same time, it annoys us also. They are not Pakistanis. They are born and bred in Britain, and they are British," Musharraf points out.
But seven of them had dual citizenship.
"Well, yes, dual citizenship. That is what really disappoints me as I said. I do get disappointed that they have linkages with Pakistan and also some of them may have traveled here, yes. That is disappointing," the president acknowledges.
"I mean the British terrorists seem to feel it necessary to come to Pakistan and talk to somebody," Kroft points out. "To get their blessing."
"Yes. This is because of whatever has happened for 26 years. So this place becomes a boiling pot," Musharraf says.
Didn't they get a 'martyrs' funeral with some 20.000 unhinged Mohammed-worshippers in attendance?
Why would Mushi not comment on that?
I cannot be surprised that seven of the bomber's had dual citizenship or travelled to Pakistan. As to being "Born and bred in Britain" everybody knows that British Pakistanis effectively have dual residence. The numbers are such that keeping track of them is virtually impossible and to introduce controls would unquestionably be racist. The eighth bomber was of course of Jamaican origin and therefore had little chance of residence in Pakistan or reason to go there.
Even the Times reported a case of two brothers registered unemployed in Britain and drawing full welfare benefits spent most of the year managing the family's farms in Pakistan. Let's be reasonable about this, if you have British residence and a bank account into which welfare cheques can be paid, it makes sense to live in Pakistan. I couldn't tell you the actual figures but if you're unemployed with four to six children your obligation to pay taxes is revoked and you can receive a few hundred pounds a week. You can live well in Pakistan or Bangladesh on that kind of money and you don't have nasty problems such as having to educate your daughters.
Anyway payment of welfare to refugees and minorities is virtually out of control, one of the failed bombers now in jail was an "Asylum seeker" drawing 6 benefits under 4 different names. However one mustn't pick on Muslims because several years ago they caught a Congolese who lived in Brussels but just took the Eurostar train to London every month to collect his welfare cheques.
bred in Britain", that is when muslims have children,
it is called breeding, similiar to when you breed cattle.. its a good thing those words came from the highest paki otherwise you would be called a racists. "
I forgot to say. 4 years ago one British city was concerned about the number of schoolchildren spending a large part of the year in Bangladesh. After a little thought (very little?) they voted to set up a school in Bangladesh so their education would not suffer.
This was a bit too much even for our nice Mr Blair who was just then proposing to jail parents who did not send their children to school. The dumbos were summoned to a meeting in London and the plan was scrapped for "financial reasons"
One can compare the history of Pakistan with the history of India since Partition. In political freedom, one has had steady democracy and the other a succession of mild or un-mild despots. In Hindu-dominated India, the Muslim population has increased, while in Pakistan (formerly West Pakistan), the Hindu population has gone from 14% to 1.5% of the population, and in Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan) has gone from 35% to 7% of the population. In economic development there is no comparison; Pakistan is kept afloat, has been kept afloat, only by Infidel aid, whether through the disguised Jizyah of foreign, especially American, aid (that helped provide the money, beyond the level needed for subsistence, no doubt diverted for A. Q. Khan's nuclear project), or through the money received by Pakistanis, often in the form of welfare benefits, in a system riddled with fraud, in England -- itself a kiind of Jizyah as well, for it has led to unmerited transfers of wealth from the Infidel taxpayers of England to the Muslim recipients of every kind of benefit. Socially, the position of women in both Pakistan and Bangladesh remains -- look at the latest mistreatment of rape victims in both -- far below what it is in India. Morally, the level of Pakistan and Bangladesh can be examined in the light of the attacks by the former on the later and the mass killings by the Pakistani Army of Bangaldeshis, in which they were aided by local Muslim fanatics, who believed that Pakistan "for the sake of Islam," had to remain one country, and who took pleasure, during the 1971 civil war, in killing fellow Bangladeshis. Nearly 2 million civilians killed, and then millions more Hindus who fled, to be joined even by Muslims who were given refuge in India (these Muslim did not, however, offer the Infidel nation-state of India their loyalty).
Shall one go on? Shall the possibilities for art and literature, and a free press, be compared in India, and in Pakistan?
Musharraf writes of these terrorists, who managed to become citizens of England (England's great mistake) as if they are English. They are not. They are Pakistanis-in-England. By loyalty to Islam, to its tenets, by attitude and atmospherics, they have grown up in societies suffused with Islam, even if the streets were named Brick Lane or Balfour Crescent. They are England's problem -- but they are also Pakistan's problem. Musharraf is looking more openly meretricious every day.
Thanks to Simon. Thanks to Schuster.
Musharraf's time is gonna come and we'll pull the prayer rug out from under his feet.
While Musharraf starts on his book promotion, one of his more priceless claims is that India got what it did in nuclear technology by stealing it from Pakistan.
After the Muslims coming up with the number system ('Arabic' numerals, remember?), they invented nukes. After all, the original Manhattan project was done by people who were born Muslim (Quran 30:30), so claiming credit for it was essentially the Americans stealing Muslim technology.
Do any of the Islamic study departments at our University do Jinn research? They might as well get started - that will be about as useful as what they otherwise now do.
And why are these 'British' citizens forced to 'extremism'? Why it's the jooze, of course. (So said the articulate, bespecticled dictator last night on Charlie Rose.)
Slight typo. I think the British intelligence agency is called MI6 (the letter "I"), not M16 (the number one). The funny part is that this typo occurs in the Times' own headline. You'd think a U.K. publication could get this right.
Can anything this general says be taken seriously given his recent remarks? For all anyone knows he probably was given several warnings but now claims he wasn't told a thing. Time for a brain scan for this guy.
I'm sure if Britain knew these muslim males were going to Paki for mass murder training, they wouldn't have let them back in.
Please explain why a person would need dual citizenship. I could see it if a person were like a CEO who spends a lot of time in another country. But these guys on welfare...why them?
Musharraf lies.
His ISI has such a long arm that it even can intimidate Pakistanis in the UK.
http://www.hindu.com/2006/09/20/stories/2006092003891600.htm
It is impossible that the Pakistani intelligence didn't know about those jihadis. Their speciality is producing jihadis.
Go somewhere else with your lies Musharraf!
So it's the kufrs fault, then?
Is there anything for which blame can be accepted in islam? The failure to outsource blame, perhaps?
Prophet Geoff
The British Intelligence Service didn't give any warning, perhaps it is because they are intelligent I wouldn't give these people the time of the day. Why give him any information so he can cover his hindquarters and frustrate anything the Brits had got planed. He is complaining because he is embarrassed. What is needed is information from Pakistan, not the other way round. By the way Hugh you forgot to mention that Pakistan has fallen to 9th place in the failed states league just below Afghanistan, wait a couple of years and they will be fighting for first place with Sudan, that says it all.
Why should they have told the Pakis about the jihadists? That would have blown the whole operation as you can bet the vermin being tracked would have been notified by the Pakis, thereby compromising the entire operation. The Brits are more than likely using some of the same techniques to track more of the vermin in Pakistan. Why tip their hand!
MUSHARRAF IS SUCH A LYING BASTARD, AND ALL THIS TO SELL HIS BOOK...WHY SHOULD PEOPLE BELIEVE ANYTHING FROM A SELF-PROCLAIMED DICTATOR OF A BANANA REPUBLIC COUNTRY
Does musharraf's book say something about pakistan's role in War on Terror?
One on top of my mind is signing truce treaties with Taliban/jihadi trash. Al-Lie musharraf!
and Padistan would have done what?????///
One way to deal with the pathetic Paki dictator is not to buy his book. I don't understand exactly what Bush sees in him. How can anyone share a dinner table with a guy who one knows is a compulsive liar?
One remarkable thing about this pathetic Paki is that he always surfaces each time he and his cronies appear to sink deep down in a load of stinking p...
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http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=24591
One Eyed Wink,
Right, nobody should buy that liar's book. Instead one should buy the following book:
WHO KILLED DANIEL PEARL? by Bernard Henry-Levy
It is essential reading in order to understand the depth and width of Pakistan's rogueness, hypocrisy and malevolence that goes on under Musharraf's smiles and diplomacy.