Musharraf wants the dhimmis to remember their place

I demand an apology from President Musharrif for his inflamatory remarks.

I needed a good laugh. Thanks Mu.

Sometimes my new-fangled online Muslim-speak translation engine comes in very handy - this is a perfect case for it.

Musharraf sez: "We also need to bridge, through dialogue and understanding, the growing divide between the Islamic and Western worlds..."

translated into normal non-Muslim-speak : "For the sake of sounding like a reasonable man to your infidel ears, I propose building this bridge..."

Then Musharraf sez: "It is imperative to end racial and religious discrimination against Muslims and to prohibit the defamation of Islam."

translated into normal non-Muslim-speak : "And now I burn the bridge down with you standing in the middle of it..."

When moslems stop abusing every other people on the face of the earth, then maybe we will think about it.. Until then, this free man's thinking remains that moslem cultism is the cause of the vast majority of the world's violence.

You reap what you sow.

The truth will set you free.

"Pakistan calls for ban on 'defamation of Islam' in veiled attack on pope"

I always thought one had to have fame to be defamed. Next someone will say speaking the truth is libel...

No one has yet explained what is the factual error(s) in Benedict XVI's quote.

I'm sure if someone explained to His Holiness where his facts are wrong, he would humbly apologize for his remark, and not merely regret annoying some annoying people.

ASked why police were being posted to protect churches in England but not in Germany, a German police spokesman stated that England has a different type of Muslim - one from Pakistan.

This one state is responsible for much of the world's problems. It was A Q Khan who proliferated nuclear technology to Iran and N Korea and Libya. It is the ISI which sponsors the Taliban.........there is even a trial in London where the defendant refuses to take the stand because his family in Pakistan has been visited by the ISI..............and it was the ISI which trained him in explosives in the Al-Qaeda camp in Pakistan.

Pakistan should never have been created - it is a basket case as is Bangladesh (East Pakistan).

Hatred of the West is what they are taught rather than total moral bankruptcy of Pakistan and the promotion of Evil by its religion. A religion of Hate and Envy..................

The Times September 20, 2006

Carey backs Pope and issues warning on 'violent' Islam
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent, and Richard Owen, in Rome
THE former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey of Clifton has issued his own challenge to “violent” Islam in a lecture in which he defends the Pope’s “extraordinarily effective and lucid” speech.

Lord Carey said that Muslims must address “with great urgency” their religion’s association with violence. He made it clear that he believed the “clash of civilisations” endangering the world was not between Islamist extremists and the West, but with Islam as a whole.

“We are living in dangerous and potentially cataclysmic times,” he said. “There will be no significant material and economic progress [in Muslim communities] until the Muslim mind is allowed to challenge the status quo of Muslim conventions and even their most cherished shibboleths.”

Lord Carey’s address came as the man who shot and wounded the last Pope wrote to Pope Benedict XVI to warn him that he was in danger. Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turkish gunman who tried to murder John Paul II in 1981 and is now in prison in Turkey, urged the Pope not to visit the country in November.

“I write as one who knows about these matters very well,” Agca said. “Your life is in danger. Don’t come to Turkey — absolutely not!”

Since the Pope quoted a Byzantine emperor as saying that the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad were “evil and inhuman”, a nun has been shot dead, a terrorist group linked to al-Qaeda has vowed to kill the Pope, churches in Palestinian areas have been attacked and security at churches and mosques in London and elsewhere has been stepped up.

This morning the Pope, who has already apologised for the offence caused by his words and distanced himself from the sentiments of the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus, will elaborate further on what he intended by last week’s address at Regensburg University in Germany.

At his weekly audience at the Vatican the Pope is expected to emphasise the dangers of violence and fundamentalism in all religions, not just Islam, and reiterate his call for a dialogue of faiths based on “mutual respect”. The pontiff will explain why he has been “misunderstood”, Vatican sources said.

Lord Carey, who as Archbishop of Canterbury became a pioneer in Christian-Muslim dialogue, himself quoted a contemporary political scientist, Samuel Huntington, who has said the world is witnessing a “clash of civilisations”.

Arguing that Huntington’s thesis has some “validity”, Lord Carey quoted him as saying: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power.”

Lord Carey went on to argue that a “deep-seated Westophobia” has developed in recent years in the Muslim world.

Lord Carey was delivering a lecture titled The Cross and the Crescent: The Clash of Faiths in an Age of Secularism, at Newbold College, Berkshire.

Lord Carey, who has continued to work in interfaith collaboration since his retirement in 2002, said that the relationship between Islamic countries and the West was “the most dangerous, most important and potentially cataclysmic issue of our day.” He described the two civilisations as “polarised and uncomprehending” and said that the Danish cartoons controversy last March showed “two world views colliding in public space with no common point of reference”.

He said the West had been largely responsible for “redrawing the map of the Middle East” and it was the “moral relativism of the West” that has outraged Muslim society. Most Muslims believe firmly that the invasion of Iraq is 2004 was solely about oil, he said.

He went on to defend the Pope’s fundamental thesis, that reason and religious faith can be compatible. “The actual essay is an extraordinarily effective and lucid thesis exploring the weakness of secularism and the way that faith and reason go hand in hand,” he said.

He said he agreed with his Muslim friends who claimed that true Islam is not a violent religion, but he wanted to know why Islam today had become associated with violence. “The Muslim world must address this matter with great urgency,” he said.

Why is it Muslims can never see the reciprocal of their absurd demands? In Musha's:

"We also need to bridge, through dialogue and understanding, the growing divide between the Islamic and Western worlds," Musharraf told the 192-member assembly. "It is imperative to end racial and religious discrimination against Muslims and to prohibit the defamation of Islam."

How about "It is imperative to end racial and religious discrimination against ALL NON-MUSLIMS and to prohibit the defamation of freedom in the West." ?????

Can they get this? Apparently not. Time to pressure them, make them see their faults, and address their injustices against women as well as their own members who dare raise questions about the violence of the faith, and all the rest of us who raise the same questions, including Benedict. Do not let up. And where is our intellectual and political leadership on this?

How do these INBRED, LOW IQ people THINK, that THEY should have AUTHORITY over the civilized and INTELLIGENT West?

Note to muslim inbreeders.....you have gone WAY over the top with this latest nonsense. STOP INBREEDING with your family, let your family tree FORK and MAYBE you numnuts will have some brains you can actually use.

for me Musharaf is the biggest terrorist in the world. This is why I hate Bush he still considers this murderous thug an ally. And as we worry about Iran getting nuclear weapons we turn a blind eye to this prick.

Hey guys, check this out:

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Iran_Daily_Attacks_Coverage_Of_Rich_Iranian_In_Space_999.html

Iran Daily Attacks Coverage Of 'Rich Iranian' In Space

An Iranian newspaper on Tuesday attacked state television for its repeated coverage of the voyage into space of a rich Iranian-born US citizen, saying it risked creating a bad role-model for Iranian youngsters.
Jomhouri Eslami said the coverage of Anousheh Ansari, who on Monday became the world's first female space tourist when she blasted off on a Russian rocket, had caused astonishment in Iran.

"The persistence of IRIB (the state broadcaster) in exaggerating the trip of a rich Iranian woman who lives outside Iran and has gone to space with a Russian cosmonaut, has aroused people's astonishment," it said.

"The concern emanates from the fact that IRIB's behavior may lead to creating a role model for our boys and girls, while in our revolutionary society there are many women able to build airplanes and to perform other big industrial tasks with the least of facilities.

"It is expected that IRIB officials consider the repercussions of such role model-making," the hardline paper added.

Its stance clashed with that of Hambasteghni newspaper's coverage on Monday: "The trip into space of Anousheh Ansari is a source of pride for all Iranians," that paper said.

State television devoted considerable coverage on Monday to the space flight of Ansari, who was born in 1966 and left Iran with her parents aged 16 shortly after the Islamic revolution.

Ansari, 40, who made a fortune in the US telecoms market and had dreamt for years of going into orbit, is believed to have paid some 25 million dollars (20 million euros) and trained for six months to become the fourth space tourist in history.

She is due to dock with the International Space Station on Wednesday and spend about eight days there before returning to earth on September 28.

Arab and other Muslim leaders and their press and their imams and mullahs are constantly denouncing in the most scurrilous terms most of the rest of the world. Especially us Jews, but not only us. This is true hutspah! The champions of defamation are asking to be protected from defamation. But the Karen Armstrongs of this world will rise in their defense [see her recent piece in the Guardian defending jihad or minimizing or denying it, and attacking the pope].

Assalamau-Laikum all

Voyeger says "Pakistan should never have been created - it is a basket case as is Bangladesh (East Pakistan)".

This is the most herrendous thing possibly to have ever been written on this blog.

This is like saysing that America should have never been created...and should have been ruled by the British....your founding Abus will have turned in their shallow graves today.

However luckly you are not part of the Amerekie admin who have seen the efforts of the Pakis to help you on your war of terrorism with prize monies to the tune of $40 billion and two dozen F16s (which helped to fund our nucleur program)

As to the (not so infallable) pope...well I think that he was testing the waters...I think he knew exactly what he was doing.

What the pope did fail to mention is that the Byzantine emperor Manuel II did also come to Europe and spent 2-3 years in France and Germany. He tried to drum up support and help to fight the turks....
but it is like now for NATO in Afganistan....your BLOND boys didn't want to go.

You could have helped save his empire and stave away Islam from your door...but you have failed.

The sultan Suliymen..eventually kicked out Manuel II's son and ruled via the ottoman empire. He ofcourse gave Kanoun (law) over and above sharia and made it possibly the best empire ever.

State duties tied him up a piece ...allowing Europe to survive as Bilad-al-Kafur...otherwise we would not be debating this ...the pope would not be able to say these things.

Also sultans following suliymen let the empire rot ...allowing the polluted Kafur take parts of the muslim empire...in the land grab...the russ started the crimean wars...and ultimately led to the 1st world war...that war was the fault of the Kafur.

Thus the Hatred of the West is a little understandable...but the muslim needs to move on...I'll admit that they are crap at that.

Naseem

You old fifth columnist you !! - Musharif has outlived any usefulness - if he ever had any - the sooner he is deposed/assasinated/resigns etc the better - better that Pakistan shows her true colours - its natural state is Taliban style - take away the army and it will quickly revert to type. Then we can put it firmly where it belongs - in the enemy camp.
The previous poster was right Pakistan is like an ulcer on the world - compare it to India - beautiful/peacefule/energetic - Pakistan is the worst of all islamic worlds and there are some very bad ones .

This is the most herrendous thing possibly to have ever been written on this blog.
By Naseem

The same thing I would like to tell for your comment:

The sultan Suliymen..eventually kicked out Manuel II's son and ruled via the ottoman empire. He ofcourse gave Kanoun (law) over and above sharia and made it possibly THE BEST EMPIRE EVER.

P.S: BTW about one sentence more from your posting:"State duties tied him up a piece ...allowing Europe to survive as Bilad-al-Kafur...otherwise we would not be debating this ...the pope would not be able to say these things." Well,you see sir,history is a teacher of life for someone and for other is just a bitch. If 100 years before sultan, Pope and Venetians has listened grate serbian emperor Dushan, when he call them on joint crusade against the turks (around 1350), we wouldnt have jihad in the west perhaps. Unfortunately, they was dumb and silent (like they was recently when your government made a nuclear weapon in a country where meny people barrely have something to eat). qe sera, sera

Nasseem............

INDIAN INDEPENDENCE ACT, 1947

An Act to make provision for the setting up in India of two independent Dominion, to substitute order provision for certain provisions of the Government of India Act. 1935, which apply outside those Dominions, and to provide for other matters consequential on or connected with the setting up of those Dominions.

Be it enacted by the King's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

1. (1) As from the fifteenth day of August, nineteen hundred and forty-seven, two independent Dominions shall be set up in India, to be known respectively as India and Pakistan.

It exists by Act of Parliament in London and should never have been created. Jinnah blackmailed the British and then built one of the world's major failed states.

Pakistan has been run by the Army most of the time because the civilian govts loot so much that it becomes embarrassing.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/4568/memorandum/a113-204.html

Pakistan is a fake country with a fake name.......... — P for Punjab, A for Afghania (the Afghan (Pashtun) areas in the Northwest Frontier Province), K for Kashmir, S for Sindh and tan for Baluchistan. An 'i' was later added to the English rendition of the name to ease pronunciation. Officially, the nation was founded as the Dominion of Pakistan in 1947, and was renamed as the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in 1957.

India should never have been partitioned.......India is a normal country without the fanatical terrorism of Pakistan.

The longest-serving UN Peacekeeping Operation in the world is on the India-Pakistan border and goes back to 1948.

The world is today paying the price for Britain creating Pakistan and then importing so many illiterate peasants to Great Britain; it is the first time in history that any immigrant group has been able to return with ease to their home country - no Communist regime to stop them, no long sea voyage...............and it is satellite TV and jet travel that has prevented integration and made Pakistani Muslims Colonisers in much of England pursuing village politics inside English cities.

Assalamau-Laikum Voyeger,

You say "India should never have been partitioned" ...your forefathers must have thought..."leave them fighting...that way they can never be a problem to us"..."divide and conquer"..that's the british way isn't it.

And then in the 1950s onwards...in the UK your blond boys didn't want to drive the busses/taxis, man the prisions, do the manual work in foundries...so you wanted to once more exploit the peoples of South Asia.

Ofcourse it is the sikhs who have the real reputation of being hard workers (like the scottich) unlike us muslims (who need lot of prayer time) who like the english are a bit on the lazy side.

But nonetheless so many of muslims are in the UK now and are here to stay.

You know the most ironic thing voyeger ...it is that although you ruled India for over 200 years...Islam will rule over the UK (and the rest of Europe) in the next few decades...and it will be forever.

You remember the old song When I fall in love (with a country)...it will be foreverrrr

I'll bet your forefathers as a result of their actions certainly wouldn't want to put that in their pipe and smoke it.

Mr Musharraf:
A Muslim, as an accomplice of those who have defamed the Pope, cannot ask us not to speak against Islam.

Nasseem are you gay ? You fetishise your blond boys and I cannot help but wonder............never mind it is not the end of the world, no doubt you'll meet someone one day.

As for your bluster....that is something we get used to but when you get older you'll learn how childish it sounds.

BTW....the British ran India for 300 years.....and India is a splendid example of a successful democracy. It is just a pity Britain created Pakistan to show what a basket case looked like in contrast

Naseem,

Like Mr. Salman Rushdie said:

"Pakistan is a stain in the face of India."

A religion, like an ideology, is not enough to creat a separate nationhood. When the wall fell east germany naturally merged with the rest of Germany.
When Islam falls (as it will), Pakistan will naturally return to the Indian fold.

hey cow, we are adults trying to have a discussion. Get back to taking care to your goats.

Here's the newsflash for you. We are having DAILY TV shows about what your koranimals brothers are doing and ALL THE PEOPLE writing emails to TV shows ARE AGAINST YOU. All the people PHONING in are AGAINST YOU. All your "representatives" invited to those shows just add shit to shit making a really fascist figure of your religion.

One of your koranimals (prominent muslim blabla bla) even REFUSED to say he's sorry for the murdered nun, and that WILL SPEAK LOUDER than any pro-islam apoligiser.

The emperor has no clothes, you fucked yourself with your own stupidity. As proven people with IQ lower than 60 shouldn't evne talk.

More and more people are REALIZING and the backlash will be HEAVY.

Svemirko,

I would imagine that official Iran has a problem with Anousheh Ansari's space flight BECAUSE she's a woman. Horror-of-horrors; it's blows "10 paces behind" out of the water.

"
Islam will rule over the UK (and the rest of Europe) in the next few decades...and it will be forever. "

Naseem - naseem what are we going to do with you - day dreaming all day about being like the big boys - having some REAL power - some REAL importance in the world - being able to create a REAL country - you would do better to stop day dreaming about stealing a country from another people, (in your dreams haha) and go back to Pakistan or whatever *stan you come from and doing something useful with your life. I have told you before that all this is unfolding as it has to and for the muslims there will be nothing - only grief - its inevitable - you just dont see it heading straight for you but its comming never the less.
We have always ruled this planet - the west - the anglo-saxons - and we are not about to give it up to a bunch of uncivilised death cult worspipers - do me a favour -
why donty you convert to christianity and save yourself - if you like - afterall there is no compulsion in religion

a concerned blogger

You remember the old song When I fall in love (with a country)...it will be foreverrrr
By Naseem

He,he, you naughty little singing boy. maybe u know the other song too: Nothing last foever, And we both know hearts can change...(November rain by G,N,R)

President Musharrif's government is so weak that he is forced from time to time to make statements such as this to appease the more radical elements in his country.

Assalamau-Laikum johnmac,

You say "We have always ruled this planet - the west - the anglo-saxons - and we are not about to give it up to a bunch of uncivilised death cult worspipers".

I am well pleased to see you saying this in print. Muslims have always said that this is what anglo-saxons (and by extension christianity) believe in...who have always denied

Indeed I am sure that this is exactly what the emperor Manuel II would have been thinking...all the way to his beloved Byzantine going Islamic.

Now johnmac...it is your turn...you will turn to the Amerike ...but they are in trouble themselves and they need to take CAIR.

The anglo-saxons have had their time...the 21st centuary is for Islam...conversions can be had at your local masjids...form an orderly queue please.

Oh poor Nasseem....whatever makes you think you are important. Can't you see people feel pity and contempt for you - it is so sad to watch you puff up your chest and pretend you are going to be noticed, but you are not. You will always be associated with failure - it is the way of the world.

You go on and on about what happened in 1391 and forget that every major technical advance in world history has to be imported into Muslim countries because like Sub-Saharan Africa they have developed nothing.

The Koreans have shown how far a country can advance in the years since Pakistan was founded, and yet Pakistan is more ike North Korea than South Korea. It might be pre-ordained Nasseem that you belong to the failures rather than those who succeed..............but smash a mirror it will make it all seem much better !

BTW Nasseem.....step across the line and let the Hindus cut off your fingers

Naseem

Copied this from Independent Media Centre India

In fact, in several respects the British rulers were kinder to India and the Indians as compared to the medieval Muslim rulers. All Muslim rulers converted Hindus by force, demolished Hindu temples, and heaped insult and injury on every Hindu sentiment and institution. All mullahs and sufis poured ridicule and contempt on Hindu religion and culture without any compunction. But a Hindu ran the risk of his life if he so much as whispered a doubt about the exclusive claims of Islam, or the legitimacy of Islamic laws. On the other hand, the British rulers, though they encouraged Christian missionaries, never permitted them to convert Hindus by force. They never desecrated Hindu places of worship, or hurled insults at Hindu religion and culture. Their Hindu subjects could question the exclusive claims of Christianity in the open market place without inviting so much as a frown from most of the British administrators.

Another litmus test is the matter of marriages between the rulers and the ruled. Every Muslim ruler and noble thought it his right to force into his harem as many Hindu women as he fancied. He could keep Hindu concubines without any count. But a Hindu could not even dream of marrying a Muslim girl, not even a girl from a native family converted to Islam. The offence of falling in love with a Muslim woman, even a woman belonging to the family of a Hindu convert, invited capital punishment. This was never true during the British rule. They did not molest Indian women at will. They frowned at but never prevented Indians from marrying British girls.

You could learn the meaning of civilisation from the British & Hindus.

American Crusader,

The truth is that the leader of Pakastan, who is sitting of nukes, has to act the way he is acting in order to save his skin from the radicals.

Voyager,

Remember the South Koreans were able to advanced because many of them have become Christians and are now sending missionaries to other countries.

> UNITED NATIONS (AFP) - Pakistani President Pervez
> Musharraf called for a ban on the "defamation of
> Islam" in a speech to the UN General Assembly in
> which he took a veiled swipe at Pope Benedict XVI
> for his remarks linking the Muslim faith to
> violence.

It hasn't quite got to that in Oz, but a "Muslim expert" is calling for non-Muslims to practice "self-censorship" and "stop speaking about Islamic icons to avoid causing offence."

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=29&ContentID=7297

Censor comments on Islam to avoid violence: Muslim expert

20th September 2006, 11:00 WST

Non-Muslims should practise selfcensorship to
avoid triggering violent reactions, a prominent
Perth Muslim says.

Censor this: "Islam. A dog turd on the front lawn of life."

I watched this speech on C-Span last night and while I understand the undertone of the article posted here, I think that Musharraf had a different goal in what he was saying than is implied.

He was implying, by my understanding, that with the current hostilities in the mideast and tension so high...that the exteremist were using every insult to Islam as proof that the entire religion was under attack to promote more disenfranchized and disconnected, brainwashed and indoctrined to believe that they have to fight back. Thus futhering the extremist cause.

The pope had the right idea to promote dialoge, sadly it took an ironic spin in promoting the very violence he was denouncing. Which I think, may actually speed up the process given the amount of coverage the death threats on the pope is getting.

I also think there's a certain degree to which any moderate muslim MUST denounce the popes comments, quoting a man who used a blanket statement of "Islam" to cover 1.2 billion people. This may be well deserved given our knowledge of what Islam teaches, but you simply cannot expect 1.2 billion people to all of a sudden denounce the teachings of their prophet. It takes a certain bit of credibility in the community where you don't agree that your religion is "evil and inhuman" and you don't necessarily like Israel.

I'm not calling that thinking right, I'm just saying that to get people in the mid east to listen to you, you need to straddle the middle a bit, otherwise you're just a zionist spy in their mind or an apostate.

Need I remind you that Pakistan has been pretty helpful with certain attacks on the US and counter intelligence, they could do more, but it's a process. Hell Musharraf has already had 2 assasination attempts on his life for this American ties.

I just don't find his comments on saying no one should incite hate with Islam right now is off base, it's just fuel on the fire. Problem for us is that it's well deserved.

That said, I REALLY hope that Pakistan passes that rape law. It'd a great step in the right direction, away from Shira law.

"That said, I REALLY hope that Pakistan passes that rape law. It'd a great step in the right direction, away from Shira law."

I hope not, pakistan women needs to stand by their beliefs.

Then if something bad happens to women in for example lahore, we can all sit back and laugh "they called for it".

...that's a good point too. Maybe if the members of parliment who opposed this law had their wives raped but didn't have 5 witnesses to it, they'd be singing a different tune.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? WHAT THE HELL IS THAT IDIOT MUSHARAFF TALKING ABOUT -- END DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MUSLIMS? I'LL BE DAMNED.. I MEAN MUSLIMS GET EVERY SINGE RIGHT IN ALL THE WESTERN COUNTRIES AND MORE... THE ONLY PLACE WHERE MUSLIMS ARE DISCRIMIATED AGAINST AND KILLING EACH OTHER ARE FELLOW MUSLIMS COUNTY...ESPECIALLY PAKISTAN. MUSHARRAF NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN DAMN COUNTRY FIRST BEFORE ADVISING ANYBODY

Before anyone replies to the pakistani cow, please take notice of this statement from the pakistani government

"Motor vehicles account for 90% of the total emissions of hydrocarbons, aldehydes and carbon monoxide in cities, and for 75% of all sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides. The suspended particulates in air cause lung irritation, sinus problems, bronchitis and asthma, whereas lead emitted by gasoline vehicles causes liver dis-function and impairment of mental health. A recent study conducted by the Agha Khan Medical University concluded that 80% of the sampled children in Karachi had less than normal IQ level."

Just remember who are you talking to.

Musharaf was educated in St. Patrick College in Karachi, a Catholic Institute.

"Musharaf was educated in St. Patrick College in Karachi, a Catholic Institute."

the only places where you actually learn how to read and write are not-muslim.

...80% of the sampled children in Karachi had less than normal IQ level."

Islam is a retarded culture. It produces retarded offspring. Literally.

Way to go islam. They can't even integrate the technology of the West properly. This is the result of cultural usurpation. Pretending to superiorty is not the same as actual, realized, superiorty. Where is the greatness in islam?

All I see is lot of retards from a retarded culture.

And as we worry about Iran getting nuclear weapons we turn a blind eye to this prick.

Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at September 20, 2006 02:28 AM

Isn't it ironic that the president/commander-in-chief who has declared 'war on terror', after an attak by Al-Qaeda, funded by Pakistan, with Iran developing nuclear weapons, thanks to Pakistani aid, declares Pakistan a 'close ally against terror'?

Does anyone see any irony in that?

The truth is that the leader of Pakastan, who is sitting of nukes, has to act the way he is acting in order to save his skin from the radicals.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at September 20, 2006 10:49 AM

That does not speak much about the integrity of 'leader of Pakistan'. Besides, how do we know the 'leader of Pakistan', also a member of umma, isn't willing helping Islam? Also, how reliable is the 'leader of Pakistan' who changes his tune with the wind?

Musharraf is the biggest terrorist in the world. I couldn't agree more than with pissedoffcanadian.

His country produces the most extremist terrorist followers along with Saudi Arabia. He is a dictator who is Nuclear powered, thanks to the U.S.

Why are we only concerned about Iran developing nukes? Pakistan is a far worse country and they are playing the game perfectly. The U.S. plays along as if they and the Saudis are buddies, and yet they pose a greater threat to the world than Iran does, what gives?

Who would like to bet that Osama Bin Laden has been living in luxury for the past several years in Pakistan? How does the Afghan insurgency keep rising like a Phoenix, have you looked at a map at where they are re-arming? Pakistan is your single biggest shit head state around (Along with Saudi Arabia), and yet the U.S. cozy's up to these rogue states.

Does anyone know that Saudi Arabia is also a nuclear power, they have an agreement with Pakistan that the nukes they have are shared in the name of Allah. In return for being a nuclear power Saudi Arabia built the worlds largest mosque in Islamabad as a gift.

When is the western world, and namely the U.S. going to stop playing these games of Russian roulette with these corrupt countries. Start you embargoes now on the mid-east as a whole and do not purchase one single drop of oil from any of them for one month, watch what kind of effect it would have on them.

I guarantee you that they would come around fast and stop their nuke programs, and state sponsored education teaching that Islam is the only way, and that all infidels should die.

This problem will stay as long as we support those who want us dead. No more money to the mid-east, stop the insanity, and cut off all funding to these states. Maybe, just maybe the world will have a chance.

Niv