One in 10 Muslims 'ignore terror'

Al Guardian,huh.One of the most wacko Rags going with the likes of Karen Armstrong spouting her pro Islam fantasies and that demented Bunting woman doing the same.Anything written by
DHIMMIS UNLIMITED should be taken with much more than the proverbial pinch of salt-at least a whole spoonful with every word...

this poll is completely illegitimate. it is just used to portray most muslims as co-operative. some would be more accurate.

WAR IS DECEIT

The other 9 would pretend they didn't know anything, or deliberately not want to know any details. Therefore, since they knew nothing, then it wouldn't make sense for them to run to police now, would it? Or the other 9 are just lying. Or at least 8 of them are.

More than eight in 10 (86%) said the Prime Minister should shoulder some of the blame and 72% blamed non-Muslims for racist and "Islamophobic" behaviour.

Now that's a statistic that's more believable. The pathetic blame game.

americaningermany..

YES.. those germans are brainwashed indeed! Like Winston Churchill said: Either at your knees or at your throat.

I left my country long ago exactly because I couldn't take the sheepish mentality over there anymore! So sad.. we are mentally gifted people but we have some sort of defect when it comes to independent thinking! Even more sad.. the British seem to have been infected with the very same virus...

The most independent thinkers from Europe I have met here in the USA are from Poland, Ukraine, Russia and Israel of course.

The Spanish seem to be getting pissed off at their own government recently.. and most Latin Americans seem to know wha time it is as well!

Chinese people of all social and economic backgrounds HATE the muftis more than is reported in the MSM. They are subject to knifings and other perfidious acts by the muftis living in Western China. How do i know? Because countless Chinese have told me just that!

One US-born Ivy-league educated Chinese woman even told me why do Chinese missiles fly only 900 miles.. unable to reach the USA.. because these nuclear missiles are meant to keep the muftis in western China in line.

A Chinese street vendor whom I know and ran into right after 9/11 complained about the USA always interfering on behalf of Chinese muftis and that NOW [as she gestured toward the smoking embers of the WTC] maybe they [US government] understand the muftis are NOT America's friends.

Sadly, they have not. This woman would make a better Secretary of State than what we have there presently..

I don't know the inner workings of the Chinese politbureau.. but I KNOW the PEOPLE of CHINA are on OUR SIDE!

They - just like us - merely wish to be left in peace to pursue their lives and their dreams.

Any non-mohamedans are my allies!

I urge all of you to start dialogue with non-mooftee people outside of your racial/cultural frame of reference.. You will be pleasantly surprised - and so will they!

I've even been pleasantly shocked how many of the Baptist African-Americans feel this way about the mobots. When I was in Atlanta and brought this up to a Black Christian Woman I met she said that I am sounding just like her priest in Church. This was in 1999 - long before 9/11.

White folks are not the only people able to think for ourselves. THANK GOD, because we need all the help we can get. Just look at the number of Hindi and other posters from India and beyond!

The Indians and Ethioians know a LOT more about this enemy than we do! They have lived and fought this beast for 1500 years!

muslems decieve their enemies.......you cannot believe this report.every non-muslem is an enemy.

Such polls are completely unreliable -- unreliable however, not randomly, but in one way. Why would Muslims living in the West admit that they would not report a fellow Muslim who had actively engaged in terror? Only the most fanatical and stupid ones, the ones completely unaware of the need to keep Infidels unalarmed until the final moment, would answer such a question straightforwardly.

In a society suffused with Islam, a belief-system whose central figure, Muhammad, said that "war is deception," a belief-system whose members are taught that they have a duty to spread Islam all over the globe, where necessary removing any "obstacles" that Infidels may offer to its spread, and to use whatever instruments prove most effective at the moment. The instruments of Jihad include, but are hardly exhausted by, terrorism and conventional military attack. Money is a weapon. Campaigns of Da'wa, to raise recruits from what is seen as the enemy's forces and enrolling him permanently in the Army of Islam, are weapons. So do is simply the steady increase in the size of Muslim populations, the constant propaganda about this, in which increases due to massive overbreeding (often at the expense of Infidels, whose transfer payments to Muslims in Dar al-Islam , the oil revenues for some, the Jizyah of foreign aid for others, become ever larger; with Dar al-Harb, the extensive system of benefits, created by and with the money from, Infidels, has been exploited to the fullest, and every rule bent or broken, by members of the large Muslim communities battening on the Infidels who have ended up supporting them).

In such circumstances, Muslims do not have to be told to lie when these polls are taken. We must not awaken too many more local Iinfidels.There has been too much upset, too soon, of the local Infidels. It's nothing to lie to the Infidels. Let it be reported. Some of the nonsense will stick.

"War is deception." Put Tariq Ramadan on. Let him say it all again: Islam is part of Europe. We are here to stay. There is nothing you can do about it. Besides, we are creating a "European Islam" so very different from the Islam you see in the Middle East, in North Africa, in Pakistan, in Malaysia, in Indonesia, in the Sudan, in northern Nigeria, and among all the Western converts -- John Walker Lindh, Yvonne Ridley, David Hicks, Jose Padilla, and so many others, who in their Spiritual Search, or search for a new vehicle to express their political alienation, stopped by the Recruiting Office of Islam, and were signed up.

americaningermany---

I urge you to leave German cities immediately.

Bomb Germany...

or

the expression 'Dance with the one that brung ya' doesn't quite fit here.

'At your knees or at your throat'...I guess the Germans are at their knees before Islam, waiting their turn to have their heads sawed off.

There is plenty of the brainwashed walking and talking around in this country, let alone Germany.

I still don't think you should write off my German friends and family, or all of Europe. I know Eurabia paints it's picture, and so does the book of anecdotes by Bauer, but check out The West's Last Chance for a more balanced perspective.

As far as the polling the 1 in 10 number is not reassuring to me either. If it is a pure numbers game, then with over a billion Muslims all it takes is 1 in 10, or 1 in a million for that matter.

Hi,
Well... I am a muslim living in USA, and I am sorry to say you guys are being extreme.

Here are some quotes you mentioned earlier

"Shouldn't it be more like 9 in 10 muslims ignore terror?
That would be more believable to me. "

"muslems decieve their enemies.......you cannot believe this report.every non-muslem is an enemy.
"

and many others...

I am sorry, but how do you know such things? I know for a fact that if I suspect any muslim of being a terrorist, I would report him/her immediately. And no, I am not saying this to "decieve" the "enemy" :) (supposedly, you?). This is just what any sane person would do.

Are there muslims who deep inside support these terrorists, absolutely yes! Are they the majority? Hell, NO! This one is for sure. I have lived with muslims my entire life! :)

I am not very well outspoken, so it is hard for me to really express myself, but I would just say... "generalization is the world's biggest sin".

How many muslims have you really seen (outside from the media)? There are 1 billion muslims out there. It is very hard to generalize based on just 100 or even 1000 idiots.

these polls are bullshit and should never be taken seriously. Many of the muslims taking those polls will lie (obviously).

someone666,

" Are there muslims who deep inside support these terrorists, absolutely yes! Are they the majority? Hell, NO! This one is for sure. I have lived with muslims my entire life! "

[[Almost one in 10 British Muslims would not inform police if they suspected that someone of the same faith was involved in a terror attack, a poll suggested.]]

The article asks, would they REPORT terrorists,
not do they support the terrorists. I find it odd that so many muslim terrorist groups can exist all over the world, right in the middle of muslim communities, and yet the majority of muslims would report them if they knew ?

I believe the people taking the poll have no reason to be truthfull, even to themselves.

Sounds like Kool-Aid to me.

Generalization may be the "World's biggest sin", however this is the way Muslims will be treated until they prove otherwise. That will be hard to do. Extreme maybe, however that's how terrorists have woken up society to Islam.

It's true that governments have made Islam change its ways. The British government has done it in the past.

So apparently the “tiny minority of extremists” consist of 5% to 10% of all Muslims in the U.K.

Though, it would be nice to have the statistics for other countries. So next time yet another Muslim apologist wants to wish away the “extremist” problem, try throwing these numbers at them.

I think that probably all Muslims support terrorism. Because if they didn't there wouldn't be any Muslim terrorists. Either they are being actively supported or cordoned which is support.

Fundamentalist Christians know Islam. They study it like all other religions. They will probably be in the forefront in this fight.

*sigh*

"
We aren't stupid enough to think that all you muslims are in the United States and Europe because of your love for our countries or for the infidel populations, do you?

We know why you are really here.
"

No, you really don't know! You just think you know! This is the main problem! :)

The only reason I said " I am a muslim living in USA" is that I am not american! I am just an international student who is here in an student exchange program. I am originally from Egypt (and will be returning back after my scholarship ends).

People love to look at the world as a good vs. evil. Thinking of all muslims as the "maniac evil" and thinking of yourself as the "good people" is a very nice way and makes life more interesting.

Let me tell you this. Every person in every community in the world think they are good people and that *some* other side is evil.

Here are some arguments..

The naive american would argue:
- Muslims destroyed the WTC
- Muslims hate us because of our freedom
- Muslims all secretly hate us. They want us dead for no reason
- Muslims cheered the destruction of the WTC.

Therefore... we are good people, muslims are the evil people. It is a typical good vs. evil and, luckily, we are the good side.

The naive muslim would say:
- The western world planted Israel inside our land
- American invaded Iraq and Afghanistan without UN permission
- Americans kill and torture iraqi people in Iraq
- The real killing and torture is much more than what is really reported

Therefore, we are good people. They are evil. It is a typical good vs. evil thing

The reality is... every community has its good and its evil. Generalizing to labelling a whole community as evil is just very naive. Sorry to say that

No, I am not studying bomb making. I am majoring in computer science.
I wasn't born in a cave with machine guns everywhere. I was born in the city, I joined school, then college just like everybody else.

Anyway, ok, I give up. I am just thankful that not everybody is like you. Ever since I came here (one year ago), I was surrounded by some wonderful people who provided me with care and love that I never even found in my own country. I am glad both kinds of people exist.

I guess love and hate don't depend on logic. I now realize there is just no way of ever convincing you. Am I right?

someone666:

I think that what you are seeing here is the increasing level of frustration of the non-Muslim world. You have to admit, the outcry against Muslim extremism by the so-called "vast majority of moderates" has been weak. There is a growing perception among us infidels that a minority of Muslims want to kill us, and a majority do not care if we die. As we learn more about the doctrines of jihad and taqiyya, we are realizing that Islam not only does not frown upon the killing of infidels, but deems it perfectly OK to lie about one's intentions to do so. Do you see our position? Many of us know Muslims who are lovely people, but we are being backed into a corner, and we no longer feel that we can believe what we are being told by Muslims, even the very nice ones.

"One thing I realized after a little while was that they were constantly trying to get me to convert."

lol. I think you were just unlucky enough to stumble upon these idiots.

Yes, some muslims are insane. They think a black dog is the devil. They think everyone should convert. They think if you don't grow your beard, you are going straight to hell.

And because they are so weird, they get the spotlight all the time.

Still, this doesn't make them the majority, even though you see only them most of the time. Were these people the main reason you now hate all muslims like this? :)

HoosierGal:
I now see your point of view more clearly. I see that some muslims may seem nice but are actually like those idiots americaningermany was talking about, but i believe even those are not the majority. The majority of muslims never even use the word "infidel" in their entire life, I reassure you :)

But how would you be able to tell them apart, that is a pretty tough question. I don't think there is an easy answer for that.

"The naive american would argue:
- Muslims destroyed the WTC
- Muslims hate us because of our freedom
- Muslims all secretly hate us. They want us dead for no reason
- Muslims cheered the destruction of the WTC."

"The naive muslim would say:
- The western world planted Israel inside our land
- American invaded Iraq and Afghanistan without UN permission
- Americans kill and torture iraqi people in Iraq
- The real killing and torture is much more than what is really reported."

False symmetries, and falsity throughout.

Why would one have to be a "naive American" to "argue" that Muslims "destroyed the WTC" and many subsequently "cheered the destruction"? Muslims did destroy the World Trade Center, and many, from Cairo (as reluctantly reported by Frank "Help me, I'm a Muslim" Gardner on the BBC), to Riyadh, Beirut (see the article on the much-mafeking that appeared in The Wall Street Journal), to Pakistan and Indonesia, and also the reports of cheering and celebrations by Muslims in the West, from convenience store owners to those visiting other Arabs in hospital rooms at the Mass. General.

As for this "hate us because of our freedom" -- that's the kind of thing only George Bush might now utter. Others realize that the hatred is not about our "freedom" but about the fact that we are non-Muslims, Infidels. In Egypt Copts are not systematically and permanently mistreated because of their "freedom" (they are as subject to the Egyptian despots as are Muslims) but because they are non-Muslims, Infidels. And the same hatred directed at the United States, as the perceived leader of the Infidel camp, is directed at all other Infidels as well, though naturally the attention is now focussed on the country most determined, in its awkward way, to combat, however inefficiently and even stupidly, the forces of Jihad.

We are disliked, or often hated, as Infidels. And however Infidels may differ, in the kinds of political, economic, and social systems -- laws, customs, understandings -- they offer, they remain Infidels, and thus the object of permanent hostility, as the Dar al-Harb remains a permanent target for inclusion, little by little, in Dar al-Islam. Not all Muslims work to this end; many simply get on with their lives. But their campaigns of Da'wa in the West, their demands for changes in the West itself, in limits for example on Western freedom of speech, and for special dispensation to be made always and everywhere -- as when the laic French republic is asked to allow the visible religio-political wearing of the hijab in state schools, make them part of the problem. Their refusal to recognize what is contained in Qur'an and hadith, and their continued defense of Muhammad, and hiding of many important aspects of his life (little Aisha, the murders of Abu Akaf and Asma bint Marwan, the decapitation of the Banu Qurayza, the attack on the inoffensive farmers of the Khaybar Oasis, the breaking of the treaty with the Meccans made in 628 A.D., and much more) in order to present him as what they insist on regarding him, the Perfect Man, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil-- all this means that even the student who disapproves of terrorism can contribute to the Jihad in other ways. The practice of taqiyya and tu-quoque is one of those ways.

What an absurdity to suggest that Americans believe that "Muslims secretly hate us. They want us dead for no reason." Again: not all Muslims secretly hate us. But a good many do, and they do because of the ideology of Islam, the ideology that the writer refuses to address, refuses to talk about 9.29 and 9.5 or so many other passages, more than a hundred, in the Qur'an, and then the hundreds of Hadith in the collections of such muhaddithin as Bukhari and Muslim, that reinforce the message of hostility to non-Muslims that is central, not tangential, to the belief-system of Islam.

Why not discuss that? Why not suggest how you think those passages might be interpreted away, or thrown out, or somehow gotten rid of? Or do you have no such suggestions? And if you do not, then what do you expect the Infidels who know of the contents of the texts, who know how Muslims have acted on those texts over a very long time, and over a very wide space, to do?

Knowing what you know about Islam, and about the real views of Muslims, knowing what you know about societies suffused with Islam (having grown up in Egypt), and then having experienced the liberality and generosity of the open-hearted West, the West of the Infidels, how can you stand to practice taqiyya-and-tu-quoque in such a manner?

As for the second supposedly symmetrical set of beliefs, this time ascribed to "naive Muslims," we are asked to believe that "naive Muslims" believe that Israel was planted "inside our land." But it is not "naive Muslims" but almost all Muslims who talk of "our land", who believe -- against all the evidence -- that Israel is a product of the West (the Jews of Israel had scarcely no help at all from the West; the British in Mandatory Palestine were distinctly unsympathetic, even hostile, and the settlement and renewal of the land was undertaken entirely without help from any foreign govenment or any other kind of assistance). It is not "naive Muslims" but almost all Muslims outside of Iraq itself who apparently think that the expenditure of nearly half-a-trillion dollars in Iraq (and Afghanistan) by the Americans, in order to bring "freedom" and along the way to "reconstruct" (actually: construct) the country, is an act of aggression. That it was and is not. Act of ridiculous naivety, act of misplaced generosity, act of foolishness when we ought to have left at the beginning of 2004, once the country had been scoured for weaponry and the Sunni rule overturned -- yes. Act of aggression -- no. The American government, manacled by the messianic nonsense of Bush, will not or cannot recognize that the removal of Saddam Hussein made inevitable sectarian and ethnic clashes within Iraq that can only work, if left alone, to divide and demoralize and weaken the Camp of Islam. And that should be the goal of all Infidels, as the goal of the Camp of Islam is to spread Islam, through dividing (as Western Europe from America) and demoraliziing (as in the E.U.) and weakening (as in forcing the spending of enormous resources on security measures all over the Western world, and in luring the Americans into squandering resources -- men, money, materiel -- in Iraq), the Camp of the Infidels.

As for the usual nonsense about the supposedly beastly behavior of the American soldiers in Iraq -- the ones who have rebuilt schools and hospitals, and power grids, and protected oilfields, and handed out vast sums to "Iraqis" and often been blown up while distributing candy and soccer balls to those still too young to have in all cases absorbed the hatred that they are fed at the mosques -- this kind of Al-Jazeerah stuff is not, as the poster would have us believe, limited to "naive Muslims" but is widely believed all over the Muslim world, and certainly by Muslims now living deep inside the Western, Infidel lands.

His attempt to make symmetrical the falsehoods believed by Muslims, and the truths, sometimes not sufficiently believed, by non-Muslims, is an example of that taqiyya-and-tu-quoque about which, if you wish, you may find more at this webiste by googling the phrase.

One is not impressed that the result of the year's study here, and all that "love" and so on that the Egyptian poster experienced, led him only to offer up the usual nonsense. Perhaps, returning to Egypt, he will try at least to help protect the Copts from the persecution and discrimnation that they suffer from. That might be one small way to repay the Americans for this year of study.

someone666:

It is indeed a tough question, and it is up to the Muslim world to come up with an answer to it. We non-Muslims are not in a position to identify the extremist element within your ranks, nor are we in a position to reform Islam. All religious reformations come from within, and usually not without bloodshed. I understand that peace-loving Muslims may be afraid to speak out, but in the meantime, we non-Muslims are being targeted for death. If Muslims don't have the courage to root out their more bloodthirsty practitioners, we will feel compelled to do so for them, and that is a scarier scenario. The impatience and frustration of the non-Muslim world is beginning to explode, and when it does, I will fear a lot more for your safety than I do for my own. I don't mean that as a threat, and I pray that it doesn't come to that. I'm just saying that we can't let things go on the way they have been and hope for the best. The tide seems to be turning, and without decisive action from peace-loving Muslims, things could get very ugly for us all.

Sounds like English Muslims are more hard line than the average American. Only 5% of Muslims though the train bombings were justified. While in the US.....

The Scripts poll said over 1 in 3 Americans thought that the government either knew that terrorists were going to bomb the WTC purposely refused to act, or the government actually blew up the WTC (there were no terrorists), so they could start a war against Iraq.

GrimReaperxxx:

Many people in the US are blinded by their hatred of the Bush administration. Rather than see the truth clearly, they invent wild alternative theories as to what the truth really is. It allows them to target Bush, and feel better about themselves.

Discussion can, at times, be absolutely maddening. I had a conversation a few days ago with a co-worker who has a friend in Jordan; her friend is Muslim, his wife is Christian. My co-worker has no religious affiliation, and seems to believe that the threat from Islamic extremism is extremely limited in the West. I suggested that I would, in general, feel better if these moderate Muslims (like her friend) worldwide spoke out more against terrorism, suicide bombings and so on. My co-workers response? Why bother? You can't convince anyone, so why even bother speaking out? In other words, the world is filled with loving, moderate Muslims who feel that the West is a lost cause, so they don't bother trying to convince the West of anything, because the West just won't listen. Perhaps her reasoning is correct- however, there is a problem (as we've seen on this thread today)- since there is no loud Muslim voice in the West against extremism, we assume that all are either complicit in their silence, or lying when they try to speak out.

"I have never talked to a muslim who would say anything against jihad or terrorism."

The typical "moderate" Muslim does the Muslim Two-Step dance (a dance move similar in structure and choreography to the Leftist Two-Step:

The non-Muslim raises the problem of jihad terrorism:

Muslim Dance Step #1: "Oh, I'm against those extremists, they have twisted Islam, and I agree they are horrible."

The non-Muslim presents an argument that shows that jihad terrorism is rather intimately interwoven in Islam.

Muslim Dance Step #2: "Well, you must expect people who are being oppressed to fight back, I mean, when the Americans were oppressed by the British, they fought back, and anyway, look at how oppressive the Israelis are against the Palestinians, and by the way, Western Colonialism did horrible things to Muslims, and what about the Crusades and the Inqisition and witch-burnings and slavery and the L.A. riots -- and look at post-Colonial policies of America, and the evil things the CIA did, you propped up bin Laden, I'm not sure if 911 was really done by Muslims, yada yada yada -- Yada Akbar!"

The important thing about the Two-Step (whether Muslim or Leftist) is to see how #2 effectively contradicts #1. The contradiction can come out of the same mouth within just a few minutes. It's amazing.

Someone666
When you return to Eygpt, please be a voice of reason in your country. Please speak out, if you are not afraid, against the Muslim botherhood. Please speak out on behalf of the Coptic Christians that are being killed and victimized in your country. Please speak out on behalf of a peaceful solution and lasting peace with Israel. Please speak out against radical clerics that would forment Violent Jihad and would train the children to hate that turn the Mosques into recruitment and indoctrination facilities. I hope you have the courage to do so, and I hope that you will not be harmed for your dangerous views and willingness to speak out. With God willing you will have a long life, and you can be part of the "moderate" mulsim that can make a difference in Eygpt.

I appreciate what you are trying to say but educated Muslims are a small minority.

When the last lot of alleged jihadis were arrested in the UK in July I happened to chance upon an item on the Web by a Pakistani journalist. Basically he said that trouble with Muslims in Britain is that the immigrants were all illiterate Pakistani farmers from extremely conservative backgrounds, while their children had grown up in an advanced western culture. I e-mailed him thanking him for his honesty saying that no British journalist dared write anything like that or he would lose his job or end up in jail. He sent a brief courteous reply saying he had no time for political correctness.

It is perhaps difficult for you to understand but you're very much a minority in the West. In the meantime we are faced with people openly express their contempt of our society and us. Last month a leading Mullah on Al-Jezzera said the Muslim take over of say –Rome was only a matter of time and they might not even need to fight for it.

I'm afraid that even educated Muslims cannot be relied on. Elsewhere on this site you'll find the case of a 25 year-old dentist in the British Midlands who is being tried for firebombing another Muslim family and burning a 6-year-old girl to death in the process because they disapproved of relationship with his sister. A Muslim graduate in London was hacked to death by her relatives in the hallway of the family home one afternoon because they did not want her to marry in Afghan. Earlier this year the decomposed body of a beautiful and assimilated Pakistani girl from a professional family was found in a river. The police didn't look for white racists; they interviewed her family because it is believed that she refused to go to Pakistan for an arranged marriage. All this just in 2006 and it has been going on for years!

Do I need to go on? If Muslims are treating each other this way how do you think they're treating the British people for whom they express open contempt? The British people can see what they are doing but they dare not speak because to do so would mean at least risk losing their jobs or at worst being imprisoned.

This is not an exaggeration, look at the posts on Dimmi watch about the prosecution for "Racist car revving" and you will see what repression means.

Typo

Should have started, Someone666

Why aren't the UK authorities and the UK people running around with their hair on fire?

If these polls are to be believed (and I think they seriously understate the case), the UK has been completely infiltrated with at least 10 divisions (typically around 10,000 soldiers in a division ) of Enemy Muslims in their midst and nary a peep. All one needs to read from this poll is this:

More than eight in 10 (86%) said the Prime Minister should shoulder some of the blame (for Islamic terrorism) and 72% blamed non-Muslims for racist and "Islamophobic" behaviour (for Islamic terrorism).

These 10 divisions of Enemy Muslims are comfortably entrenched behind what ALL Muslims view as enemy territory, the house of war, Dar ul Harb, protected by the other 90 % of the Muslim communities -- they are safe for that 90% shelters them, feeds them, encourages them, and worst of all, shills for them.

This minimum of 10 divisions of self professed Enemy Muslims are further protected by the very targets of their hatred and evil intentions, to wit: the kind generous trusting people of Great Britain with their hard earned treasuries of wealth, order, and rights.

It makes it all the more odious that the Muslims have never really fought to add to that treasury, but only wish to steal from it.

It makes it all the more revolting that the Muslims have never embraced the order of the British social system, but only wish to subvert it and replace it with Islamic chaos.

It makes it all the more detestable that the Muslims have never fought for those human and civil rights which now protect them, but have always sought to exploit them to further their Islamic agenda, which includes eventually taking those rights away from the people who invented and instituted them over more than a millenium.

Think of all the blood that was spilt to gain those rights. Think of all the Blood Sweat and Tears that went into building that treasury, and rebuilding it after so many assaults by other fascists and world imperialists like the French and the Nazis. Think of all the toil which went into Britains advance from the barbarism which constitued the world 1300 years ago to the orderly system under such threat today.

Now think of the hundreds of millions of dead British forefathers turning in their graves as their decendents squander that treasure and toss out those values and trample on those rights - wasting them most on the vile, ungrateful, hatred filled Muslim Filth of the World.

86% would contact the police and 9% wouldn't? The other 5%, I suppose, refused to answer the question - in which case we can probably consider it to be 14% (1 in 7) rather than 1 in 10.

Anyway, how the questions were worded and therefore interpreted would likely have had a sigificant bearing on these stats. For example, to jihadis the phrase "terror attacks" might be taken to mean perceived or actual attacks on (not by) Muslims.

"(as reluctantly reported by Frank "Help me, I'm a Muslim" Gardner on the BBC)" Hugh

I happen to remember the Hard Talk interview that Hugh is referring to here. Mr. Gardner was ambushed and shot in the suburbs of Riyadh, an attack which left him paralyzed from the waist down. He tried in vain to have the gunmen spare him by making this false claim. What struck me was him declaring in this interview, "I have an enormous respect for Islam." Needless to say, it didn't occur to his PC colleague to ask him "for what?"

Nine out of then would contact police. That's good news.

No. That's agitprop. Roughly 100% of all observant Moslems would not contact poilce, and roughly 100% of those with disposable income would contribute to the "cause" such as whatever that may be (besides the murder and conquest of innocents who are do not exhibit fidelity to Allah, the crapulous "god" born from the hairy bisexual pedophiles face).

"Roughly 100% of all observant Moslems would not contact poilce"

Real poll: Roughly 9 out of 10 Muslims would tell pollsters that they would contact the police, just to make Infidels feel better.

Some ideas about fixing Islam:

Due to the extreme nature of later constructed Islamic holy scriptures (post Syriac), Muslims lack skills necessary for building relationships with non-Muslims. Muslims need to resolve religious tensions in the contemporary world. Muslims must pause and reflect on differences, rather then default to emotion and demonstration. When Islam undergoes reformation, Islam will need to connect and form religious relationships. The current state of Islamic religious affairs is offensive, defensive and divisive. Muslims must analyze Islam and ask; what can we change to find allegiance to a broader religious perspective. Muslims can develop a better view of Islam, and build trust and relationships with other religions. Accept and take risk, inline other world religious perspectives, rather then accept current politeness and affection for Islamic extremists. Develop effective tools for overcoming the endless reaction from Islamic extremists. Any positive steps achieved, will reverberate throughout the Islamic community. Religious differences and tensions must be understood and articulated, rather then overpowered. Find peaceful strategies, with other religions, and understand areas of conflict. Islam currently uses religious coercion to win adherents, rather then rational and moral persuasion. Many western Muslims are aware; significant advantages will be realized, when cooperative and complementary religious experiences exist in the world.

Let's say this poll is true and applies to the entire Muslim world. That means 90% disapprove of the rest. What are they waiting for? If they want to be respected and not feared this vast majority needs to beat some sense into the idiots who are making them look bad. The world awaits their action.

Americaningermany, that's a very disheartening, distressing story you told about the Muslims you work with cheering 9/11. I don't know how you managed to keep your cool. I would have told them off and slugged them for sure, even if it cost me my job. If Muslims can't behave in Western society, they should be rounded up and jailed or deported. If a Christian or Jew did that, they would be beaten to death.

Someone666, it's interesting you call yourself 666 which is the mark of the beast in the Bible. Thank you for your words to us here. Maybe if more Muslims spoke up against the acts of jihadi's, we wouldn't be so harsh against the entire religion. But frankly, we are tired of hearing jihad, alluh akbar and how they want to kill us. We're tired of the brutality within the Islamic culture, tired of the mistreatment against women, tired of the homicide bombings, constant threats, the beheadings, brutal torturing of our captured soldiers and against each other, drilling into bodies with drill guns, killing animals in the streets, ugh, it goes on and on, tired of the hatred being spread, calling Jews pigs, teaching children to hate or become homicide bombers. It's such a demonic culture, so unnatural, yet none of you stand up or speak out against the constant killings around the world, or forcing people to convert to Islam at gunpoint. Those acts are not the acts of Godly people, but sound like people controlled by Satanic demons. Whenever Muslims are confronted, they blame their actions on us instead of placing the blame where it belongs on the perpetrators. It just astounds me!

The slick, slimy, mendacious mullahs, imams, and ayatollahs who preside over the worldwide ummah have concluded that the dam is about to break and they have summoned their zombie flocks to hold back the flood waters. They know that their ridiculous, apocryphal excuses for islamic terrorism are becoming less credible every day and the average Western man on the street is not as stupid and tolerant as his politically correct, suicidal leaders.

The islamic clergy incite the zombies to go on rampages to vent their rage at the countless insults against islam uttered by Western Crusaders. I see this as a desperate effort to terrorize the West into silence so the truth about islam will not be further disseminated. One thing so many people seem to forget is that while the ummah may be substantial in number, muslims are vastly outnumbered by non-muslims, and widely scattered.

Europeans want to believe that war is obsolete and all disagreements can be ironed out through diplomacy. Maybe there is nothing they consider worthy of defending, but war will never be obsolete, certainly not in the religion of war, islam. I don't know what it will take to ignite chaos in the streets of Europe if muslims continue to exhibit their arrogance, overt hatred, and aggression. The perfect storm will form sooner or later, and it will wreak holy havoc. Muslims are attacking French police and inflicting serious injury, yet they are not even arrested. When the Europeans sold out their people and nations to the Arabs, they must have included their souls in the deal. There seems to be no limit to the abuse and anarchy they will tolerate from muslims.

Islam's cover is blown and the fifth column is worried. How will they convince the infidels to convert, how will they spread their vile religion? How will they seize the treasures and wealth of the infidels for themselves if they cannot intimidate the fools into surrendering? They're worried and instead of shutting up and keeping a low profile, they do what muslims do best--spew their supremacist invective and threaten to conquer the West. Muslims don't understand us at all. They are cutting their own throats and it is a beautiful sight to behold.

They have gone full circle and their bag of tricks is about empty. Short of uniting and converging on some Godforsaken desert to form the holy islamic army, they are running on empty. Their deceitful manipulations are failing, some of which include: We're so humble and innocuous; we'll sue you if you say bad things about islam, even if they're true; the poor, pitiful victims scenario; the war in Iraq and Afghanistan excuse; the moral equivalency canard; a gazillion big, bad muslims are going to kick your asses and conquer the world threat; the islamophobia nonsense; and their favorite, It's all because of Israel and America's support for the Zionists. They demand respect for islam but they murder nuns, burn down churches, kill innocent Christians, behead helpless, innocent hostages and schoolgirls; threaten to execute the Pope, blow up embassies; commit senseless suicide attacks every day in Iraq that kill scores of muslims; launch terror attacks against civilian targets all over the world, and the list goes on. Who in the hell do they think they are?!!

Only muslims would commit mass murder, threaten the West with jihad and defeat, and participate in maniacal rampages to demand respect for their heinous religion. Good work guys, keep it up!

Very well said Susanp!!!

Susanp, you were almost Churchillian there! Brava! Those words truly resonate.

Last night I was thinking about what must be going through the heads of Muslim leaders and the word "FEAR" came into my mind.

Those people are terrified. What does a bully do when he's backed into a corner? He blusters with braggodocio. But when you strike him he'll turn into a snivelling coward.

We need to hit this bully, and hit him hard. To quote PJ O'Rourke in Give War a Chance:

"he'll (Muslim) remember the moment that sky-blackening, air-mauling, thunder-engined steel firmament of war crossed his face. And I hope all his bellicose, fanatical, senseless, quarrel-mongering neighbors - from Tel Aviv to Khartoum, from Tripoli to Tehran - remember it too."

americaningermany:
As I have said, I have totally given up any hope of ever convincing you. I think it is simply not possible.

I will just answer your questions raised in the last post.
Why am I here? In our campus, there are tons of international students. Students from China, India, Korea, Germany, Italy... and many others. I am just like any one of them. I love computer science, and I am good at it. So, I decided to learn from the best here. Everyone is here for this aim.

I am not being paid by taxpayers' money. I am being paid by corporates paying me to do research for them. Research that would never have been done if I had not been here.

But, really I give up. Probably the only naive person here is *me*. I was stupid enough to think that I could come here, open a logical discussion, and explain that we are not all like this. I was only faced by hostility, disbelief, and now people think I am here to infiltrate the infidels!

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As far as someone666 goes, remember he/she thinks we're just being naive infidels and that we understand nothing about muslims. According to someone666 we just don't know what muslims are really doing in Western nations.
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I don't think of you as infidels at all. I only think of you as human beings. I never even brought the infidel word here.

I am sorry if this sounds desperate, but I am just who I am... a human being with feelings, like everyone else. I get hurt by hostility, and I just give up.

I hope that at least now you know why other muslims don't speak up. They are not as naive as I am. They know that there is no hope. No body listens.

I am sure americaningermany will now twist my words and totally change their meanings to make me look like the bad person. No problems. As I said, I really give up. This is probably just the nature of life.

This is probably the last message I am going to send about this. And I would like to thank you, because you gave me the opportunity to grow up. I think I understand the world just a little bit better now.

Americaningermany, I suppose it's probably a good thing you weren't at work that day, but I'm surprised the Germans didn't stand up for the Americans on 9/11 in your work place and refused to give you the names of Muslims cheering. Why bother to tell you if they're not going to name them! Europeans are such pacifists. But I am aware of the celebrations around the world in Muslim countries, especially in Gaza or the West Bank, those fat women handing out candy cheering in the streets. If the Muslims are still there, it must be very difficult for you to work with them daily. It all boils down to the governments not doing anything for fear of being labelled politically incorrect and racist. I think though, after the next attack here, we will explode and hopefully, the sleeping giant will finally awaken to put them in their place. I'm bloody tired of it and ready to have a go at them myself.

Americaningermany, I've talked with my friends and family regarding the next attack, what will the American people do, etc. Most say that we will rise up and go after every Muslim living here, killing them across the country, bombing the mosques, hoping the police will look the other way. Only one friend believes we won't go after them, and this is surprising because he wants the entire Middle East turned into a giant sand dune. We shall see what happens, because I believe the next attack is near.

It's evident this is becoming a clash of civilizations of Biblical proportions and I feel the day will come when the only way we're going to survive is if we take the law into our own hands because we can't rely on our government to do what is necessary to protect our country and it's people against those who want to kill us and take over the world. I do sympathize with you in having to work with our enemy on a daily basis while holding your tongue and containing yourself. Regarding the Europeans, they did support us until we went into Iraq. After 9/11, my European friends were terrified and very sympathetic towards us fearing the Armageddon was near and began going to church on a daily basis.

In the meantime, stay strong my friend and keep your family safe. We are a strong, resilient people and we will prevail. We didn't get to be the sole superpower by inaction.