Palestinian media calls pope 'stupid,' 'criminal'

A case of the pot calling the kettle black.

These muslim pukes are fueled by the religion of outrage.

The more they seethe, the more I believe the pope is glorious.

We should hold demonstrations like the one in Ca. where an effigy of OBL was hit with old shoes, but one where there are public readings from the Koran - our passages - the later passages - where the rule of abrogation comes into play - invite Ibrahim and the CAIR scum to attend

And to respond in kind to this current hamas inspired palestinian madness:

Behead all those who insult Christianity!!

The only truly "stupid criminals" that this guy refers to comes from places like his. No wonder they're so mired in poverty.

Re: Palestinian media calls pope 'stupid,' 'criminal'

A belief system that must rely on force against unbelievers is stupid and criminal, as Solzenitzen pointed out in the former USSR. For this reason such belief-systems do not produce great universities where the unlimited right to reason (freedom) and express thoughts and opinions based on reason (what is meant by free-speech) result in great creative minds, nor can it produce great science. It can only produce parasitical minds.

It is no accident that more great science comes out of tiny Israel (including the invention of the cell phone) than all of the Muslim world.
The Muslim belief-system destroys bold creative thinking, independent thought, and can only produce a parasitical mind that uses such things as the cell-phone to kill people.

The belief-system in the Muslim culture is stupid and criminal. It can only be parasitical of the creativity of others and violent to others.

Will Al-Risala's publishers be disappointed when Catholics don't riot, engage in shootings and bombings, and call for the conversion or death of Ismail Haniyeh?

That's not about to happen. Unlike the Islamaniacs, these people usually are engaged in working for a living and trying to better their lives. Contrast that to the "peaceful ones", who protest all over the place and engage in nothing but destructive activities. In short, Islam=permanent residency in the 3rd world. Get a job and get a clue already.

God has given human beings a great gift with the mind and I think we are required to use it (without limitation) to reason, to question, to think. Personally, I only ask God for the capacity and means to earn a decent living for my loved ones and to be free to think and express thoughts and opinions based on reason. The Islamic culture and belief-system are destructive of that.

What would Benedict say?

The Pope expressed his "esteem and profound respect" for members of the Islamic faith ...

Mindless Minions of Mahomet.
Allah ... the Elvis of all Gods.

Palestinian media calls pope 'stupid,' 'criminal'

Next week: Fun With English, Grade 3.

Day after day we hear these viscious and nonstop insults in the media from the Muslim world which trumped any comments the Pope may have made long ago.

Unfortunately there is no room for dialog or objective discussion in the Islamic world when it comes to the teachings in the Quran and the hadiths.

Muslims have made the Popes case for him a thousand times over.

I always admire someone who can't be bothered with political correctness anymore...

http://www.local10.com/news/9883283/detail.html

He but gives them a respite until a day when eyes will stare (in terror),'" stated Gaza preacher Osama Al-Mazini

We don't need to see Allah for that. His evil minions in this world cause plenty of that already.

More raging hatred and racism from Mo's miserable loveless nihilistic peasant's. Allah's finest wallow in their own s**t calling the West and all things non-Islamic fit to destroy.

I just get a nice warm feeling thinking how their bitterness eats their lives away. These, the most hysterical of Muslim's, deserve nothing but derision and ridicule. Worthless turd's.

Hi Robert!

I read this story about Islam never having been spread in the past by sword.

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20060925&fname=uripope&sid=1

How much of this is true?

The piece was written by Uri Avnery, an Israeli Jew, who calls himself an atheist.

"How much of this is true?"

Very little, or possibly none. Uri Avnery is one of the semi-demented, and has a long history of being so. Why he should be permitted to give his own version of Islam, that has nothing to do with reality, but possibly makes him -- and Muslims -- feel good ("see, he writes the truth about Islam, and he's an Israeli").

But why ask? Read, study, learn on your own. Start with "The Myth of Islamic Tolerance" and "Why I Am Not a Muslim" and "The Legacy of Jihad," and then work your way back to Jeffery, Snouck Hurgronje, and other Westerm students of Islam and Islamic history. Or start at www.dhimmitude.org,www.answering-islam.org, and www.faithfreedom.org, if keyboards and clicks are more comfortingly familiar than the Dewey Decimal System, or whatever now organizes those groaning shelves.

I truly don't think this Pope has one ounce of Political Correctness. Thats good.

As you can see Muslims react from just a few words from the Pope and not much reaction from the IDF. Ergo, religion is is achilles heel of their theocratic ideals. Its their very emmotional reactions that will lead to their downfall. Knowing this will Psych them out.

God willing, of course.

Bohemond_1069: I like him more and more (the Pope) as well, and I am a jew. 11 Years ago, in Akron, OH, a good catholic friend of mine told me that (then) Cardinal Ratzinger would make an excellent Pope. Looks like his words were prophetic.

What truly amazes me is how such a small, and frankly, unimportant population (the so called "palestinians") makes it into the news practically every day. I do not feel that they are worth it. They have already cashed in their empathy chips. What I see there is absolutely disgusting. Imagine this band of thugs trying to hold a bona-fide government together - no way.

In a very subtle way, the Pope laid down the gauntlet. Unfortunately, the other side is too busy screaming murder to even notice. Oh well, what is new...

Don't just go for the 3 second soundbite, Witness. The Pope also called for "reciprocity in all spheres," especially religious freedom. It is one of the pope's major arguments that if Muslims can worship and build mosques in the West, Christians should be allowed to do the same in Islamic countries, which is often not the case.

Yes I know this is not the case; I am very familiar with several Islamic countries and know first hand what it is like under sharia law. I don’t like it.

The pope is asking for the unattainable when he calls for “reciprocity in all spheres… especially religious freedom.”

I’ll wager that Benedict knows it and has also calculated the response to such a request. The man is neither stupid nor uneducated.

While I am not catholic either, the fact that formerly catholic facilities have been either sold or outright turned over to Islamic organizations does not make me very comfortable.

Take for example the former St. Michael’s Orphanage which originally opened in 1869 and served as a catholic seminary from 1925 to 1971.

It was sold to a muslim charity in 1992 and a so-called school of martyrs opened in 1993 as the Jameah Islameah School near Crowborough in East Sussex; is it even possible that members of the catholic church knew nothing of this? Somehow, I credit them with higher acumen and do not for a moment believe that this sad end could not be anticipated.

AND: "Faithful to the teachings of their own religious traditions, Christians and Muslims must learn to work together … to guard against all forms of intolerance and to oppose all manifestations of violence," the pope said.
In principal, this sounds good on paper but is unrealistic. No, fanciful. No delusion. No, no, no, it’s intentionally misleading!
And as "religious authorities and political leaders, we must guide and encourage them in this direction."

The Pope was preaching to them and the muslims had to sit there and listen.

I suppose that was some semblance of momentary submission?

He put them on notice that unless they reform their "religion" there will be more violence and it will get worse. I'm not Catholic, but I really like this Pope.

Violence begotten by whom? Somehow I just don’t associate catholics with suicide murders; hijackings; beheadings, and the like.

Benedict is right I am afraid, the violence as he puts it will get worse. But I don’t think the catholics are going to be the instigators of said violence and I am sure you don’t think so either.

My view of the pope is decidedly non-catholic as I am sure your view is also.

I see him as a leader of an organization – the world’s oldest organization in fact – which has a specific religious and spiritual mandate.
While I do not agree with many of the catholic church’s polemics, the catholic church is what it has always been – decidedly a Christian rooted organization.

As such, its Christian symbolism can not go unnoticed or be casually dismissed.

Therefore, I would have preferred this pope not to take necessarily a harsh position but at least a firmer position on Christian grounds against the apostasy of islam.

Perhaps "as pope" calling for outright war i.e. "crusade" would not be in keeping with the original tenets of Christianity or the founder of the faith -- Jesus.

What the pope does, or what the catholic church does at this point, is entirely up to them; I am not a direct stakeholder in that specific outcome.

On the other hand, by not taking a firmer position against islam -- and even what could be taken by any streach as an apology for a quote -- in my view, the pope has done all of Christianity a lesser service than he might have otherwise.

In fact he has empowered and ebolden the islamics which in turn makes it more dangerous for his nuns, priests, and Christians living in islamic countries.

With all his erudition, it appears to the islamics that he has caved at some level regardless of what the pope or his well meaning apologists might think.

Obviously, the pope did made the original comment with some end in mind. There is no way that he could not have reasoned that a backlash of sorts would erupt. The only question is what kind of response would he then offer in kind.

While he did not flat out retract his comment, he gave way just a bit. That little bit; that tiny impression of a crack in his resolution is being ceased upon by the islamics and will only serve to make them bolder.

Agree; disagree; either way is fine – but that’s how I see things.

From sermon: He (Allah) but gives them a respite until a day when eyes will stare (in terror),'"

What does 'respite' mean in Islamese. Does this mean that Allah is giving the wicked more time to do wicked things? Why would Allah give the wicked anything except the fire? Is Allah softening his position on wickedness? What happened to the good ole Allah, who loved fire and brimstone, and spent most of his time torturing the wicked with fire? Possibly Allah is just taking time out to finish his new book 'The naruQ'. Thats Quran spelled backwards. The naruQ, reverses everything in the Quran. It is the final step in turning Allah into YHVH. Allah has been trying to be YHVH for 1400 years.
Well, the wicked are really lucky that Allah is distracted. Some day their eye's may stare in terror, but untill then they are free to do wicked things.
Who are 'the wicked ' anyway?

"(the pope) ... characterized Muhammad, may the Creator have mercy on him and protect him, as a cruel man, spilling blood, who strove to kill,"

Witness, the speach was aimed at the people in the West not Islamics as such, that the Islamics decided to attack him for it was their problem mostly. The concept was to define what made Western civilisation and create I think a differentiation betwen it and Islam and in that I think he succeeded.

I don't think that he has emboldened them in anyway above what our existing appeasement had, what he has done is given them a most terrible problem and you can always tell how wonding an attack is by the level of violence directed at it. If you look at the responses by Islamic scholars they were totally stumped and looking at Tariq Ramadan's reply I realised that even his oil had failed the test.

I see it as the first success, because a lot of left wingers see the Popes comments as the truth and that is something I think may well save our bacon in the future.

I have a wireless keyboard that often misses a character, sorry for the errors.

Okay this leader won't engage in reciprocity and won't 'respect other people' as Benedict XVI will do.

Will anyone with religious authority from Islam acknowledge respect for the Pope simply as a fellow human? Will that same person engage the Pope in a reciprocal fashion?

Does such a person exist?

aynrandgirl said

Why then aren't Muslims proud to publicly recount Mohammed's acts? Are they ashamed?

Is this Gaza preacher Osama Al-Mazini saying that Mohammad was NOT "a cruel man, spilling blood, who strove to kill"? Is he saying that Mohammad was a weak man, who avoided war, who shirked his Allah-given duty to make the infidels submit to Islam? If so, he is committing blasphemy:

Qur'an 4:95 "Not equal are those Believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) hath Allah promised good: but those who strive and fight hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward."

Qur’an 9:73 “O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.”

Qur’an 47:33 “Believers, obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. Do not falter; become faint-hearted, or weak-kneed, crying for peace.”

They cannot even keep their tangled web of bullsh*t straight anymore. They are criticizing and threatening the Pope for simply repeating mainstream Islamic core beliefs. The frothing foam around their lips is becoming more evident every day.

“The more they seethe, the more I believe the pope is glorious”.
Dqen.

Well, now the Catholics need Muslim’s barking to believe that Pope is glorious.
I am an atheist and I do not think he is glorious, but I did not think that if Muslims call Pope stupid – he is stupid and if they say he is ignorant it makes him ignorant. As a matter of fact, I am sure that The Pope is neither stupid nor ignorant.
Pope does not need the ordinary Catholics to defend him. He has power to deal with Islam, he just does not use it. That power is given to him by those ordinary Catholics and by not using it he betrays their trust in him of being the defender of the faith. It is sad.
Many posts defending the Pope are almost hysterical, unusually (for this blog) superficial and missing the point.
For the Muslims it is not important what Pope said, Most of them have no idea at all what is going on. Very few read his speeches. It is an opportunity to humiliate the Pope and all the Catholics (and The West) with him.
So it is quite immaterial to try to find finer points in what Pope said. He showed weakness and Muslims jumped on it.
From reading his speeches I can not even work out what his real position on Islam is and I can see how confused and defensive the Catholics are today.
The Pope is not stupid, he is not ignorant, but great or glorious – he is not.

Witness.
I wrote my post before I read yours. I have to admit it was a difficult decision to send mine. I take my heat off. It is the best I've read on the subject so far. Thank you.

Last night a programme by a left wing journalist was aired on Channel 5 in Blighty, it was talking about the shame of the left in being allied with Islamic fascists.

You can view the video on here.

http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/

Logic and reason I believe...

Islamsforlosers: The pot calling the kettle black is not comparable as the kettle (the Pope,Catholicism,Christianity) represents goodwill towards others, not dull knife neck cutters.

Islamsforlosers: The pot calling the kettle black is not comparable as the kettle (the Pope,Catholicism,Christianity) represents goodwill towards others, not dull knife neck cutters.

Posted by: mustang65

True enough. I stand corrected. I just find it laughable how these idiots are always calling someone like the Pope criminal, stupid, etc.
They really should look at a picture of Khomeini before spouting such drivel. At the very least, he looked a lot like the devil himself.

I think that Hugh was too kind to uri avnery. Few in Israel take him seriously. But let's go back in time. His education in childhood was in Nazi Germany before his family were able to leave there and come to Israel. His mother openly rejected his political activities. He owned a weekly picture and scandal magazine for many years, called Ha`Olam haZeh [this world]. It was one of the first vehicles for pornography in Israel --if not the first. After he sold the magazine about 15-17 years ago, he became more directly politically active. He founded a group called "Gush Shalom" [the peace bloc] which collected a number of easily influenced, ignorant people with weak egos whom he leads in demonstrations in Tel Aviv from time to time. You can imagine his political positions. In flagrant contradiction to what we know of the Arafat-Suha marriage, Avnery described a pleasant evening with the loving couple and their baby [at that time], Little Miss Z'va`ah or Zawiyah or whatever she's called. Avnery described Suha happily cooking and Yasser doing his fatherly duties with the baby who happily crawled around the living room and kitchen. Others will recall that Suha has been living in Paris for years on a full floor of the Hotel Bristol, no doubt attended by several servants. She spent little time in Gaza or Ramallah after the marriage and after yasser a. settled in those places. The child --whoever her real father may be, perhaps yasser himself, maybe by artificial insemination-- was safely kept out of harm's way in Paris and Tunis, etc. Could avnery have made up out of whole cloth this charming tableau of arafatian domestic bliss?

Interviewed about seven or eight years ago by the Jerusalem Post, Avnery was asked about the funding for Gush Shalom. He said that it came from America, but added that it did NOT come from foundations. Why did he put it that way?
Anyhow, avnery does have some friends in America.
About 8, 9, 10 years ago, the Washington-based Middle East Journal published a long, fulsomely praise-laden article profiling avnery as a loyal, veteran peace-processor. He was a depicted as a peace person, to use the simplistic nomenclature of "the peace movements."

As a Dane I'm proud to see the Danish flag being 'presented' next to the American in a Palestinian cartoon. It shows that we must be doing something right ;-)

dgene,

very good idea I think. You may be able to attach the parental advisory like on some music Cd's on the Koran, Hadiths and Sira.
Get it rated as adult.
Do you want your children to read that filth?

Perhaps I'm coining a new term - at least I think it may be:
Extravagaza.

I don't know if this has already been posted here, but this link is a must-see, if only for the deep sense of history and its relevance for our times:

averagegayjoe.blogspot.com/2006/09/byzantium-2006-putting-quotes-back-in.html

"Hugh was too kind to uri avnery."
-- from a posting above

You're right. I called him semi-demented. He's fully so.

"a full floor of the Hotel Bristol.."
- from a posting above

Suha at the Bristol, on the rue de Rivoli, no doubt enjoying her life, possibly stopping for une africaine at Angelina's or buying the latest book by Tariq Ramadan at Galignani's, or has the name changed since I was last there in 1923? And Arafat used to be put up by the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs, one assumes, in the Raphael on the Avenue fittingly namned Kleber -- possibly in the biggest suite of all (the one favored by assorted presidents of Lebanon). Mubarak on the other hand, I think prefers the Crillon -- and why wouldn't a "staunch ally" of the United States like to be close to the American Embassy? But I could be wrong.

American and European taxpayers are paying all those factures, all the room service, all those poules de luxe. Have you ever stayed in a suite at the Crillon, the Raphael, the Bristol? Are you pleased to be paying for those such as Yassir Arafat, or his mariage-blanc wife Suha, in her permanent ensconcement at the Bristol? Are you glad to be picking up the tab for thick-necked Hosni Mubarak, or for the present kinglet of Jordan, son of the lubricious "plucky little king" whom even the wicked Alan Clark found distasteful?

No, I didn't think so.

witness:

To a Christian, Islam is NOT an "apostasy". A former Christian who renounces Jesus Christ commits apostasy.

Islam is a heresy. There's a difference. I've posted this point many times on this site, and people still don't get it, or just don't read. Sigh.

"Pope does not need the ordinary Catholics to defend him. He has power to deal with Islam, he just does not use it. That power is given to him by those ordinary Catholics and by not using it he betrays their trust in him of being the defender of the faith. It is sad."

Well, Pong, you need to clarify. What "power" given to the Pope by Catholics is he not using against Islam??? From reading your post on the Pope I can not work out out what you're talking about regarding this "power".

"Many posts defending the Pope are almost hysterical, unusually (for this blog) superficial and missing the point."

Please indicate which "hysterical" posts you are referring to. I have yet to see them. Templar's posts have been very reasonable and intelligent.

"For the Muslims it is not important what Pope said, Most of them have no idea at all what is going on. Very few read his speeches. It is an opportunity to humiliate the Pope and all the Catholics (and The West) with him."

So the Muslims' hysterical and violent response "humiliates" the Pope and Catholics? Hmmmm, so far I've seen most people humiliate and ridicule the Muslims' idiocy and hypocrisy.

"So it is quite immaterial to try to find finer points in what Pope said. He showed weakness and Muslims jumped on it.
From reading his speeches I can not even work out what his real position on Islam is and I can see how confused and defensive the Catholics are today."

You contradict yourself there. You say it's immaterial to read the finer points of what the Pope said, then say you can't work out his position. Perhaps if you READ the finer points then you might FIND the position.

I don't pretend to know what's in the Holy Father's mind. But I do read his books, encyclical, letters and other materials presented by faithful clergymen who know him. I'm not confused. Maybe if you read some of them you might not be so ignorant. I am defensive because there is so much INCORRECT information floating about regarding the Papacy, the Catholic Church, Christianity, etc... so I am obliged to defend and correct the errors.

BTW, how are things in Thailand? You better start worrying about your own backyard before you stick your nose in someone else's.

The "Palestinian" sermon:

Pope Benedict XVI is "arrogant," "stupid," and "criminal," and will be judged by Allah on the day "when eyes will stare in terror," declared a sermon delivered this past weekend on Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' state-run television station.

Compare this spittle-drenched outburst of fury with the pope's learned discourse that should have given no offense to the Islamic world--for it told the truth.

"WHAT THE POPE REALLY SAID"

a transcript of his actual words, not taken out of context:

http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com/2006/09/what-pope-really-said-what-did-pope.html

I am prejudiced: as a traditional Catholic (Eastern rite like our fearless leader, Robert), I believe that the Pope has divine assistance to guide the flock of the Church.
Putting that aside for a moment, and considering Ratzinger-the-man, He is brilliant and he is fearless and he is a gentleman. Those qualities alone, independent of ordinations and offices, is enough to set him outside of the conceivable universe of most Muslim minds.
Unlike a Mahometan, when I read in the news (if they would ever publish such things) that someone calls the pope "stupid" or "criminal," I do not get angry. Not even peeved. The remarks are irrational and untrue.
Based on their antedelluvian caveman tribal system, most of the Muslims imagine the pope to be a kind of Head Christian who is in cahoots with the evil president of the US and Mr. Blair of GB (peace be upon them).
People attack my religion daily, and always have since day 1. I also know that people have exaggerated, false or contrived things to say about virtually every religion on earth. In the case of Islam, one would have to exaggerate to heights of infinity to overstate its cruelty, bestiality, ignorance and irreformable stupidity.
The imams, muftis and poobahs who visited the pope at Castelgandolfo have expressed various reactions. Knowing their ilk intimately, I assure you that each one of them was delighted and full of importance at being in the presence of an important person. When they speak to a fellow-saracen they will curse him. When they speak to their Christian (temporary) friends, they will giggle like little girls and say how nice the whole affair was.
I've been hearing Ian Paisley's rants for years. The Palestinians opinions are equally irrelevant - at least to me.
Long live the Pope!

These people really are hyperbolic, aren't they? I guess that's why no good poetry or literature emerges from Islam today. (Or much in the past for that matter).

I remember reading Wild Swans by Jung Chang, who left Communist China as a young woman and wrote this memoir of her grandmother, mother and herself. One thing she noticed when she attended college in a western country was the rational prose of western writers and "relaxed atmosphere" of American government:

"It was with unimaginable pleasure that I read Nixon's own Six Crises, David Halberstam's The Best and the Brightest, William Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, and The Winds of War by Herman Wouk, with their (to me) up-to-date picture of the outside world. The description of the Kennedy administration in The Best and the Brightest made me marvel at the relaxed atmosphere of the American government, in contrast with my own - so remote, frightening and secretive. I was captivated by the style of writing in the nonfiction works. How cool and detached it was! Even Nixon's Six Crises seemed a model of calmness compared with the sledgehammer style of the Chinese media, full of hectoring, denunciations, and assertions..."

Sound familiar?

Pong I think I agree with atheling here, your frustration is understandable but I think you are exaggerating when you say.

"It is sad. Many posts defending the Pope are almost hysterical, unusually (for this blog) superficial and missing the point."

Could you please provide a link to these 'hysterical' rants. I read this blog often and I can not think of any examples which spring to mind.

From my own perspective I have enjoyed the contribution that those familiar with Catholic doctrine make to this site. I believe you are being a little hasty in so quickly condemning PBXVI and those that support his actions on JW.

Please forgive me if I sound a little presumptuous here; I am sure that living in Thailand you maybe feel the Islamic sword a little closer to your neck than those of us more fortunate to live else where and I am sure that you would like to see more activity from representatives of the other major religions step in and aid in stopping Thailand’s own jihad. But I think there is a lot of truth in both athelings and on a previous thread Templar’s premise that the Pope has handled the situation in the best manner possible.

It may not seem like that much at the moment but the ecumenical wheels are now turning and once over a billion Catholics turn their attention to Islam, I believe the results are going to be explosive.

cincinnatikid,
I may be wrong, but I think Islam may have initially spread peacefully into Indonesia and Malaysia (trade routes I assume). I might be wrong about this, but I have not found anything to the contrary. This may be where some people claim that Islam spread peacefully.

Now regarding the initial expansion of Islam, maybe you should do some research about the Muslim invasion of the Indian sub-continent and see how peaceful that was.

This Pope incident is simply more evidence of the mad idolatry of Muhammad that these Muhammadans engage in.

"...this message is from Allah the Elevated and the Exalted,..."

Am I the only one that sees similarity to "the Great and Powerful Oz..."?

Perhaps we should "ignore that man behind the curtain"...

Could this all be fear in Islam? Fear of the Pope, and what past Popes have brought to Islam before?

Attention Palestinian media: the feeling is mutual.

Get a life. Or, since this IS Islam after all, a death (preferably your own).

non-redneck:

I wouldn't put too much stock into that theory. True--we don't know that jihadist violence accompanied Islam's arrival into Southeast Asia, since there is no evidence indicating that there was any. However, if any such jihad occurred, since Indonesia and Malaysia have been Islamic for centuries, Muslim political authorities in the region may have seen to it down the generations that all historical records of Islamic-perpetrated violence and warfare were expurgated from any existing historical records. Absence of historical accounts do not prove that something did not happen--all it proves is that there is no record of it having happened.

No one has ever explained the sudden demise of the great Hindu-Buddhist Kingdoms of Central Java in the late tenth century or the appearance of Arabs in the Mojhopahit Empire of East Java in the early 1300s (supposedly the Arabs came a century or so later). Also unexplained is the mysterious depopulation of the plains of Central Java which is believed to have happened in the tenth century. A bloody Islamic invasion launched from the Indian subcontinent might explain all this-evidence or no.

The demise of the Central Javanese Hindu-Buddhist empires (at the time rivaled only by India and China)occurred BEFORE the massive eruption of the Merapi volcano in 1006 AD which rules out the volcano eruption as the source of the kingdoms' demise. While evidence again is absent, Holy Wars engineered by Islam would explain the loss of Central Java's great Buddhist-Hindu kingdoms and the region's subsequent depopulation quite adequately. But no one really knows WHAT did happen to the Kingdoms of Central Java in the late tenth century. The fact that Islam replaced these kingdoms should raise a red flag though.

The malignant nature of Islam makes it EXTREMELY DOUBTFUL that Islam took over this (or any) region peacefully. Islam is hyper-allergic to non-violence of any kind. It is also quite possible that Indonesians and Malaysians may have accepted Islam to prevent the sort of carnage that occurred in the Middle east, the Indian subcontinent and elsewhere. There is no evidence to show that these people weren't threatened by Muslims with violence if they did not convert to Islam. Or, with Central Java and parts of Sumatra once subdued by dint of military Islamic conquest, Indonesia and Malaysia were lost completely and forever to Islam.

the real fear of islam, is the shinning light coming from the "informed" that is the literate person who is able to freely think for themselves and actually judge what comes from the koran and its assorted books, hadiths. Demcoracy and freedom from the West is the real threat to any form of islam. that is why BinLaden could see the erosion of the muslim way of life when the west creeps in their lands. that is why the very existence of Israel threatens the immans, assorted muslim clerics can see their power fall away. oh Naseems, l can see the burka being iether blown awawy by the mushroom cloud or from the West's freedom creeping in. take your pick.

If we all stand together we CAN eliminate this so-called religion....with true wisdom,given to us by GOD.World prayer...then call to arms.

I have been saying many times that Islam does not impart to its believers respect for other religions.
What follows is that they are not entitled to demand respect.

Throwing such cheap insults at the pope just unmasks what kind of rabble muslims are.

Islam gives them no maturity, they are like permanent idiots. Worse, they don't realize they are making fools of themselves in front of the whole planet.

Slowly the undeserved respect and credit Islam still has will be eroding.

I am deeply grateful to the prophet for exposing the fact that the islamic king is naked and for, thereby, accelerating the process of Islam's death.

Sorry, the last paragraph should read "pope" and not "prophet".

Re: Palestinian media calls pope 'stupid,' 'criminal'

Hmmm................and the next news flash from the mid east is?

Hey Prophet, how are things coming in Darfur?

God willing, of course.

To this arrogant Pope -- criminal and arrogant -- this message is from Allah the Elevated and the Exalted, as it was said: 'Think not that Allah is unaware of what the wicked do. He but gives them a respite until a day when eyes will stare (in terror),'" stated Gaza preacher Osama Al-Mazini
funny the pope is supost to be scared of a paggen moon god that a pedifile lier and thief as well as a egomaniac (Muhammad) ...,him,> as a cruel man, spilling blood, who strove to kill,and made himself rich
and used lies and smouth talk to spreed his made up cult

To this arrogant Pope -- criminal and arrogant -- this message is from Allah the Elevated and the Exalted, as it was said: 'Think not that Allah is unaware of what the wicked do. He but gives them a respite until a day when eyes will stare (in terror),'" stated Gaza preacher Osama Al-Mazini
funny the pope is supost to be scared of a paggen moon god that a pedifile lier and thief as well as a egomaniac (Muhammad) ...,may swine urinate onhim,> as a cruel man, spilling blood, who strove to kill,and made himself rich
and used lies and smouth talk to spreed his made up cult

Gaza is a sewer hole of anarchy created by a murderous Hamas government (or non government)that has its population currently killing each other in armed gangster tribes. Why would any sane person digest anything some religious hack would say out of that hell hole. And who really reads in Gaza? They are too busy burning and killing and protesting.

The Pope is giving the Muslims the rope to hang themselves and look what a great job they've been doing over the last two weeks. Actions speak louder than words and the Pope has inspired these barbarians to show their true colors. This is a stroke of genius.

Catholics have been sleeping in their material world and this Pope will wake them up slowly to the spiritual threat that we have to our humanity.

This prodigal son has long left the pew of Catholicism but I do take my Confirmation vow of "soldier of Christ" seriously. If the Pope calls me back to active duty I will hear his call.

"Gaza militants 'prepare for showdown'"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/28/wmeast28.xml

Atheling.
“You better start worrying about your own backyard before you stick your nose in someone else's”.

Just one example of an ignorant, superficial and hysterical comment.

The Catholic Church in Thailand goes back 500 years.
It is one of the officially recognized religion with His Majesty being the patron and protector.
There are more then 300,000 registered Catholics in Thailand. There are Catholic schools and a university. The priesthood is local in its entirety for many years now.
Some of my relatives and 2 of my close friends are Catholics.
It is my backyard.

Palestinians are no freedom fighters.

They try to sell the world the lie that they are secular because a few of them are "Christian", like Hanan Ashrawi.

But the fact is that they are increasingly purely Muslim and fighting for purely islamic interests.

Pong:

"Just one example of an ignorant, superficial and hysterical comment."

Oh I see. You just label anyone you disagree with "ignorant, superficial and hysterical".

You misunderstand me. I'm not talking about the Catholics in Thailand. I'm talking about a non-Catholic such as yourself, making exaggerated and unsubstantiated assertions about the Pope, Catholics and the Teachings of the Church, all of which you are quite ignorant. The fact that you know Catholics even makes your ignorance more egregious.

You still have not answered my questions and requests for evidence of those assertions you made earlier. The ones that another poster, km, also asked for. We're waiting.

sansantiago:

That was a beautiful and discerning comment about character of the the Pope and the hypocrisy of the Muslim "dignitaries"... You obviously have first hand experience in that.

I truly believe that when the world was facing down communism God sent us John Paul II.

Now we are facing Islam and God sent us Benedict XVI.

atheling;

You have got that right. This Pope is here for a reason. Most posters want him to 'curse' the muslims, 'tell them off' and feel the Pope has backed down.

No he hasn't. They are not thinking like a truly 'spiritual' person. Everyone on the face of this earth belongs to G-d, now G-d lets us reject Him or accept Him. Our choice. We are not forced.

From what I see this Pope doing is confronting evil with the TRUTH. Lies and evil will fall apart in the long and short run. Truth will win out!!! In my opinion the Pope is exposing the evil of Islam with truth and humilty. Just look what it is doing! Just one man... and hopefully no matter religion or belief system one has; pray for him.

The Pope played the muslims like a piano. He set the bait, and they couldnt help themselves - they showed us what they and their RoP really are - sub-medieval throwbacks. Damn fine strategy, Your Holiness. Im not even a Catholic but I say with absolute conviction, God bless this Pope. The personal embodiment of the one thing the West has lacked recently - true, inspirational, leadership.

I think that we need to get a few facts straight about what Benedict XVI was trying to achieve in a speech that was meant for an intellectual audience at Regensberg. He made a reference to a Medieval work by way of illustration regarding relgion and violence. He is not a criminal for making a reference to a Medieval work. He is not ignorant, for he is a very intelligent man.

Some have come here and also on other sites where they have tried to impugn Ratzinger because he was a German youth at the time of World War II. Some have continued with the falsehood that he was voluntarily a part of Hitler youth, even though there are others who have told the story of a young man who refused to go along to the Hitler youth sessions, and in my parlance that means he "wagged" a class. His teacher at the time, who knew that Ratzinger was refusing to attend these sessions did not "rat" on the young man. As for any activity in the war, when he was called upon to participate within a civil defence category, he deserted his post. In other words, true to the form that we see to this day Josef Ratzinger did not willingly participate in any Nazi activity.

Benedict XVI has thrown down the gauntlet to the leaders of Islam. He expects them to engage in dialogue. Some ambassadors in Rome have in fact taken up the offer and have spoken with the Pope. This is good, and perhaps these men are inclined to be non-violent Muslims.

As a Catholic, I believe that there are two commandments that we need to follow. First: Love God. Second: Love your neighbour as you love yourself. These two commandments summarize the ten commands that were given to Moses. These are the tenets for all religions, not just Jews and Catholics. As far as Islamofacism is concerned, I believe that neither of these commandments, given to us by Jesus Christ are being followed. That does not mean that they are not being followed by other Muslims. To illustrate this point, one of my very dear friends had a tree uprooted during the high winds at the weekend. The only neighbour who gave assistant were the Iranians who have moved next to her house. This action by these Muslims prove that they have a true love of God and neighbour. I respect all Muslims who behave in like manner. However, I do not respect the Islamofacists and I do not respect any other Muslim who openly promotes jihad.

The real criminal was Mohammed the false prophet. My other Catholic friends have already pointed out that Islam is a heresy and not apostasty. An apostate is one who turns away from the church, and Mohammed the false prophet was never a Christian. I do not care what a newspaper says in Gaza because most of the dogs and monkeys in Gaza cannot read. They only know how to rage and burn buildings.

I believe firmly what is written in the Scripture, especially within the Wisdom Books. I do believe that the cup of wrath is filling up rapidly, and that as far as the fight of good and evil is concerned, well there will only be one winner. I believe that now is the time for those who are lukewarm towards their faith need to have a conversion of the heart and to come back to the Church. I believe that we need to wake up our fellow Christians and alert them to the truth about Islam. I am not talking about this nonsense of calling Allah a moon god either. I am talking about the fact that people wrongly think of Islam as a religion. They do not understand the nature of their theocracy that is so tied up with violence.

Pong: I do not know where you are living in Thailand, and I do understand that you might be feeling uneasy at the moment. I think that you misunderstand the role of the Bishop of Rome. There are no special powers to be exercised. Benedict XVI is the head of the Catholic Church and he does not have political power to act in any other way. He can deliver a speech to the Muslim world without the rages happening. However, so long as there are wicked men who have the role of imam, Benedict XVI has to tread very carefully. Even Jesus had to spend time hiding because the Pharisees and Sadducees wanted to kill him. All I can say is: patience and we will pray for your situation.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' state-run television station.

And who pays for this state-run TV station?

President Mahmoud Deux is no match for President Mahmoud Un, who's tearing up the intensifying Moslem head of state competition from his HQ down in Tehran.

To this arrogant Pope -- criminal and arrogant -- this message is from Allah the Elevated and the Exalted, as it was said... blah blah blaaah.
--- Osama the deeply offended scowling Gazan imam

Now lowly imams are receiving secret transmissions from Allah? I thought receiving such transmissions was the exclusive franchise of Mohammed.

But, setting secret Allah transmissions aside, it is the quintessence of Islam that one can be found criminal for violating Moslem law and not the law of his own people, that one can be excoriated as an infidel for not worshipping the Moslem's God, but instead worshipping the God of his own choice, or no God at all.

Now that's arrogant.

Maggie4life,

Indeed, the cup of wrath isfilling up rapidly.

Also the Muslims are too full of themselves to read the writing on the wall.

Messing with the pope has been the last straw. I don't think they will get much sympathy now, despite smooth-talkers for islam like Tariq Ramadan.

Muslims are GOOD at deflecting their own stuff. "Stupid", "Criminal", "Arrogant" are not words that describe the Pope -- no -- someone else comes to mind.

pong posted:Just one example of an ignorant, superficial and hysterical comment.

atheling was very respectful of your position, and he articulated his views very thoughtfully.

So the way it works is you take nasty, mean-spirited cheap shots at Pope Benedict and when others call you on it you revert to calling it hysteria???? That is lame reasoning and it just doesn't hold any water....

My own opinion is to take on slanderous and offensive remarks against my faith, such as the ones you made, in a blunt up front way. Words like yours demand an aggressive defense. I know other Catholics may disagree of this style, but regardless all Catholics are obligated to defend the faith. If others are interested here is a good group defending the faith vigorously:

http://www.catholicleague.com

Many posters like you post degrading and mocking words about the Pope and Catholicism in general. You have no interest in saying anything constructive or honest and that is clear by your words.

Even if you do not believe in Catholicism, you could show respect to the Pope because of his position and what he represents to Catholics all over the world. Many non-Catholics who post on this site do this and I greatly appreciate it.

I invite you to learn more about Catholicism for yourself. Not what other may be saying about it. Then make up your mind.

Check this site out for more info:

http://www.salvationhistory.com

Political Correctness is the final hiding place of a scoundrel. Thank goodness, this new Pope is anti-PC! How refreshing (and unusual).

(Hopefully, he won't wuss out on us and recant).

I think the Holy Father knows what it's like to live in "dhimmitude", or under the PC police. He grew up under a totalitarian regime which viciously and ruthlessly destroyed any dissenters.

He learned to "passively resist", as Maggie4life pointed out: he played sick in order to skip going to Hitler Youth programs. He wrote of how he demurred from "volunteering" to join the SS and in telling the commander that he was studying to be a priest he endured the subsequent derision. He said that the insults were "sweet" to him because he was "freed" from the threat of of that "deceitful voluntary service".

Several times he was spared death. A sympathetic German officer, knowing his desire to become a priest did not assign him to duties which would have put him in the frontlines. Later, when he deserted, he was confronted by two German soldiers on his way home who were ordered to shoot deserters. They let him go. Again, when he reached his home in Traunstein (his family moved about a lot since his father opposed Naziism), two German officers noticed his arrival and questioned his family on why he was not fighting in the war. There was no excuse, yet the officers did nothing about his desertion.

When the Americans came to his village he was taken prisoner and sent to a POW camp. There he waited, keeping a journal and practicing his Greek (ever the academic) until he was released to go home and the war was over.

Like his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, a gentle, humble, intelligent man, recognizes fascism and its dangers. I think the Lord spared him during the War because He has a plan for his servant in this current war against evil.

Benedict writes of Psalm 73:21-28, referring to the servant of God as a beast of burden:

"When you stand on the side of God, you do not necessarily stand on the side of success. Good fortune often seems to pamper precisely the cynics... In the meantime I have carried my load to Rome and have now been wandering the streets of the Eternal City for a long time. I do not know when I will be released, but one thing I do know: that the exclamation applies to me too: 'I have become your donkey, and in just this way I am with you too.'"

Arrogant, stupid and criminal, indeed.

Old proverb: "Qui mange du Pape en meurt." Roughly, "Anyone who eats the Pope's flesh (in the Old Testament sense) dies of it." Expect Al-Mazini or, unfortunately and more likely, young men who listen to his sermons, to die of stupid, criminal acts.

Pong made his position clear in the beginning of this thread when he stated that he was "an atheist"; so he's clearly disconnected from spiritual truth, and I don't think he'll be responding to questions any time soon.

He has no credibility anymore anyway. He proved that he is incapable of debating in a rational, logical manner. He only threw insults - very weak.