UK: Media is "warned" over its coverage of Islam

He said it could be helpful for Christians to read the Koran to raise their awareness of Islam, and added...

Absolutely! Start with this one;

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

Graduate to;

[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides...

And then compare and contrast with;

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Now, explain any incompatibilities between the two systems of thought and predict the outcome of a clash between them.

Where are the Serbian suicide bombers? I ask because the United States bombed tens of thousands of them six feet under during the war against Serbia.

P.S. You may note that war helped Albanian Muslim Kosovars (a big mistake).

A warning? Should (the media) not expose lies, distortions? If it will not, who gains? Te people of England?

The media must self police, if it will not, all will loose..

"THE BRITISH media needs to be more balanced in its coverage of Islam"
Correct. The British media has hidden the truth and distorted the facts for long enough. We need an honest media to tell the public the truth. In Britain the media does not even publicise the murders of Infidels by Muslims (Isiah Young-Sam, Ross Parker, Kriss Donald, Gavin Hopley,etc. )

"Mr Bond called for Christians to get to know Muslims so they could better understand them, by spending time together, sharing meals and even reading scripture together, despite their doctrinal differences."

OK, guys, brace yourselves. Gonna quote some (gasp) scripture (please read academically):

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

2 Corinthians 11:2-4 For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin. But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.

Galatians 1:9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

The Islamic Isa is NOT Jesus, thought they claim him to be (the Lahore Ahmadiyya Isa is sure as hell not Jesus, sorry Naseem).

Two different stories, two different paths to the prize.

You can believe Christianity or not, but any Muslim claiming some Ibrahimic Tawhidic syncretistic brotherly connection to a Christian is technically a slanderer, preaching a different gospel and a different gospel.

Read the Qur'an, but read it to read the enemies playbook.

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That of course should have been "different gospel and different Jesus".

"He said it could be helpful for Christians to read the Koran to raise their awareness of Islam, and added: "It’s not rocket science. If we show an interest in Islamic people it’s more likely they will show an interest in Christianity and we can build bridges.""

And yet, the Quran gives islam the directive that "The Jews and Christians will never accept you unless you believe as they do" - and promptly encourages muslims not to accept Christians and Jews as friends. And this is what the ideological split is all about. I'm certain that muslims might be happier if Jews and Christians "showed an interest in islam", but only so far as it applied to conversion. Certainly the Quran praises some Christians and Jews - those, that is, among them that are 'believing', which is to say, inherently muslim. Fully 1/3 to 1/2 of islam is the core rejection of Christianity (rejection of Judaism probably being another 1/4 or so); what bridges, precisely, can be built on a foundation that doesn't exist?

Prophète Geoff

Slightly OT, this is good news.
Anglicans for Israel are very pleased about it.

The Communique (between the Archbishop of Canterbury and the two Chief Rabbis of Israel) is a clear rebuke and a resounding reproach to those elements within the Anglican Communion who have been working obsessively to isolate Israel and delegitimise the Jewish State and People. We welcome the Church’s support for “all forms of constructive engagement, whether religious, humanitarian or economic, which seek to enable closer bonds between individuals and communities.” The Church has made it clear by these words that it will countenance no further attempts to boycott Israel, and that the Synod vote in February was a tragic aberration and is not in accordance with Anglican doctrine.

Classical appeasement by the Church.

Warned! If they dare to publish anything negative about Asians (Islam) they are in real trouble. One local paper was threatened with a boycott by “Asian” shopkeepers, which would have closed it down. Why? They ran a perfectly true story about the unacceptable activities of some local “Asians”.

"THE BRITISH media needs to be more balanced in its coverage of Islam... suspicion of Islam in the UK is higher than ever, as shown in a recent YouGov poll in which 53 per cent of respondents felt they thought Islam was a threat to Western liberal democracy."

53% to 47% is pretty close to balanced I'd say, allowing for a standard deviation of plus or minus 3% :-)

Jokes aside, surely the function of newspapers it to report news, not manipulate opinion. Are these people saying if Islam really is a threat to democracy, as the democratic majority perceive it to be, then newspapers shouldn't report that fact because it upsets the minority? Wouldn't doing this then prove that Islam actually IS a threat to democracy, because it makes the papers ignore the will of the majority in favour of the will of the minority? Oh, what glorious hypocrisy.

"Bond. Julian Bond."

Nope. Doesn't roll off the tongue like the original--too many syllables. Will have to stick with Hindu-invention Hindu-invention Jewish-number-of-weekdays.

Not to criticise the C of E but the love all approach is a bit of a risk when dealing with Islam and its skewed processes which pass for Islamic "morality" - all those un-Christian things, allowable cos big Mo said like; lying, cheating, raping, murdering, stealing etc.

It's like the priest in "War of the Worlds" approaching the Martian craft with nothing more than his faith and a crucifix....we know what happened to him.

The British media needs to be more balanced in its coverage of Islam.

Balanced, of course, means being down squarely on both knees, eyes squeezed shut, groping for Moslem Male zipper.

That's cool. But the British media is already doing that. So why the complaint, whaddya guys want?

We can only do so much to systematically destroy ourselves. A little understanding, please.

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Posted by: Concerned Citizen

Thanks for the laugh, Concerned. It's appreciated.

This is the oldest trick in the book, "working the ref." The trick is to challenge the ref on even the obviously well-deserved penalties, so that when the less obvious penalty is made, the ref will be more likely to overlook it. Don't want to appear biased, ya know. We know the U.K. media have been bending over backwards to seem "fair and balanced" in the coverage of "Asians." What is amazing is that the U.K. media consumers seem to have no objection to having information white-washed in this manner. The media will respond to the demands of their VOCAL customers. If the U.K. citizens who want free and unfettered news coverage keep silent, then they will get the slanted coverage advocated by the "Asians."

ONLY TRUTH EXPOSED IS FREEDOM OF THE PRESS. DISTORTIONS OF TRUTH LEAD TO SLAVERY........
DOES THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION WISH TO MAKE US SLAVES TO ISLAM BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SHOW HOW LOVING AND FAIR CHRISTIANITY IS? MAKE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT........ISLAM WANTS TO SUBJUGATE ALL OTHER RELIGIONS AND BELIEFS> AMAZING THAT A RAPIST MURDERER CAN FORM A RELIGION AND FOURTEEN CENTURIES LATER THE ADHERENTS WANT TO KILL ALL WHO SEE THROUGH THIS SHAM. CLOSE ALL MOSQUES, DEPORT ALL MUSLIMS, EXECUTE ALL TERRORISTS....
THEN THE WORLD WILL BE SAFER.

The media should be going out and talking to mainstream and ordinary Muslims and presenting that to the nation, this way you can hear it from the horses mouth why Jews are descendants of pigs and apes. Every muslim I talk to turns in to Mr Hyde when asked about Jews...

Feel the love?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51859

A Christian man is recovering from a beating that left him with a broken collarbone and dislocated shoulder after he drank water from a glass reserved for the poor at a construction site in Pakistan.

The report comes from Voice of the Martyrs, the Christian aid organization with a vision for working around the world to help those who are facing persecution for their Christian faith.

The report said Nasir Ashraf, a Christian stonemason, was working on the construction of a room at a school near Manga Mandi outside of Lahore when he got thirsty and took a break.

"He drew water and drank from a glass chained to a cemented public water tank next to a mosque, which was reserved for 'all' poor people," the VOM report said. "Returning to the construction site, a Muslim man asked him, 'Why did you drink water from this glass since you are a Christian?'"

The man then accused Nasir of polluting the glass, yanked the glass off the iron chain, broke it and threw it in a garbage can.

He also summoned other militant Muslims nearby.

"This man polluted our glass," he told them.

The result was an incensed mob that beat Nasir, yelling that a "Christian dog" drank from their glass.

Bystanders encouraged the beating, because it would be a "good" deed that would help them in heaven, the report said.

"The attackers pushed Nasir off a ledge onto the ground, and the fall dislocated his shoulder and broke his collarbone in two places," the VOM report said.

He was unconscious until he was taken to a clinic, the report said, and the physician who said some people had brought him in also told him never to make that mistake again.

Nasir's father took him home and a VOM representative was alerted so that VOMedical could help with his medical treatment and recovery, officials said.

VOM was launched by Rev. Richard Wurmbrand, who wrote "Tortured for Christ" about his experiences representing Christ in war-torn Europe. His testimony, and ministry's work, has spread around the globe.

Reading the Qur'an is one thing. Reading the Qur'an, with a full understanding of how Muslims reconcile the contradictions through the long-accepted doctrine of "naskh" or abrogation, by which the later, far more sinister and aggressive verses (from the period when Muhammad, now among his followers in Medina, had no need to pretend to placate the powerful non-Muslims who had resisted him during his Meccan period) than those they replace. Reading the Qur'an with close attention to the context, so that 5.532 is read along with, 5.533 (something Bush failed to do, no doubt because someone handed him 5.532 but carefully refrained from giving him 5.533), which completely changes the meaning of the initial verse.

Reading the Qur'an requires close reading, an art no longer taught in the schools, not in the universities as it once was, not in the high schools or elementary schools. But it matters. A Qu'ranic phrase such as "fi sabil Allah" -- "on the path of Allah" as in "jihad fi sabil Allah" (Jihad for the sake of Allah) could well be taken to mean, by an English-speaking reader, for the innocuous phrase, so different from the warfare, the razzias and conquest and loot and seized women that Jihad "in the way of Allah" implies, of the Christian phrase "walk in the ways of the Lord." And even the very nature of the English and French languages ensures that the translation of the Qur'an into those languages does not convey the full violence of the original Arabic.

And reading the Qur'an is not enough. One must read, as well, some of the Hadith -- a few hundred of those deemed "most authentic" by the most authoritative muhaddithin, especially Bukhari and Muslim, would give one a sense of what Muslims know, what Muslims take as a guide, a guide that helps to provide a gloss on the Qur'an itself, for it is both Qur'an and Sunnah, the latter being a word that roughly means the customs, behavior, attitudes of Muhammad and his companions, as revealed in the Hadith, the writings which preserve Muhammad's sayings, and his acts, and even note the occasions on which he remained silent (and those silences are interpreted), and the Sira, the biography or biographies of Muhammad that further flesh out the full meaning of the Qur'an, of the revealed will of Allah, for who better to express that will than the Perfect Man, Muhammad?

Yes, members of the British public should be much better informed about the tenets of Islam, and not only the tenets, but the way in which societies suffused with Islam encourage certain attitudes, toward Infidels, toward the use of force, toward the use of reason.

Finally, non-Muslims in Great Britain have a responsibility to find out about the past 1350 years of Muslim Jihad-conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims. What did happen to the Hindus of India? What happened to the Buddhist temples, and those of the Jains, under Muslim rule? What does Ibn Battuta say? What happened to the Christians and Jews of the Middle East and North Africa? Was Islamic Spain really, as Maria Rosa Menocal would have us believe, a place of happy and peaceful "convivencia" or do historians who specialize in the field of Islamic Spain, such as Evariste Levi-Provencal, tell us a different tale?

Yes, the more one knows about Islam, its doctrine and practice, the better off one will be. Those who viewed over the past twenty years the Arab Muslim attacks on Christians and animists in the southern Sudan, attacks never objected to by any Muslim or Arab group, and who over the past three years have viewed the attacks by Arab Muslims on the non-Arab Muslims of Darfur, may find their explanation for such behavior in Islam. Those who remember the Biafra War, and the massacres of Christians that preceded the declaration of Biafran independence, and Col. Ojukwu's Ahiara Declaration of 1969 in which he denounced the "Jiad" by the Muslims of the north, aided by those Egyption pilots who strafed Ibo villagers at will, will now find the explanation for the Muslim behavior in that war, and possibly an explanation as well for the abandonment of the Nigerian Christians by the Western powers. And one will be able to make sense of the Muslims who attack and kill Buddhist monks and farmers and schoolteachers in southern Thailand. One will be able to make sense of the kilings by Abu Sayyaf in the southern Philippines. One will be able to make sense of the Taliban, and will be able to figure out why they made Hindus were identifying garb during their reign, and why the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas was not diffeent in kind from all the previous destruction wrought on the artifacts of the Greco-Bactrian civilization of Afghanistan, or the Buddhist or Hindu artifacts there, and in India itself, over many centuries. One would no longer be puzzled by the attacks on those who dare to criticize Islam, the murders of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh, the death threats against two Dutch parliamentarians (forced to sleep at army bases, forced to be surrounded by armed guards), or the similar threats made against publishers and cartoonists in Denmark, or against a leading journalist, Magdi Allam, in Italy. One would begin to understand the ways in which Muslim threats and Muslim attacks in Madrid, the plots aborted as well, from that against the Strasbourg Christmas Fair, to those many averted and only vaguelly alluded to, if ever, so as not to scare the Western publics.

One would begin to puzzle out, to figure out, that if everywhere, in every INfidel country, whether it be one of those that prides itself on its tolerance, makes a fetish of it, makes a fetish as well of the welfare-state benefits it provides, such countries as Holland and Denmark and Sweden, or a country that prides itself on its "knowledge" of the Arabs and of Islam, such as France, or even has at times flattered itself that becuase of its own history it has some special insight, as Spain, or whether that country is Italy or Germany or Canada or Australia or the United States -- everywhere the Muslim population has presented similar difficulties, similar worries, similar behavior intent on changing the legal, political, social, and moral institutions of the host country, and nowhere to fully accept those institutions, or the very ideas that so distinguish the Western world from the Islamic one.

And if the behavior of Muslims, living now iin many different Infidel countries, varying widley in their economic and social arrangements (compare Denmark with the United States, or Holland with Australia), turns out to everywhere cause problems, everywhere to provoke unsettlement, everywhere lead to great expense to monitor and protect against Muslim attacks, everywhere to lead to a situation where many feel greater physical insecurity as a result of such a presence, then surely the problem must be with Islam, and with those who are its adherents.

And if, furthermore, we not only have presented to us the same problems with Muslim communities in quite different Infidel lands, there is another way to compare, and that is to see if this is a general problem with immigrants, or not. But it turns out that no other group -- not Buddhists from Vietnam or Cambodia, not Hindus from India, not Bolivian peasants or black African non-Muslims, whether Christian or animist, not any other immmigrant group, presents the same kind of problems, bears not merely an alien creed -- alien creeds can sometimes be accommodated -- but rather an alien and a hostile creed, which remains hostile, for the basis of Islam, as a warring and militant faith, is that Islam must dominate, that the war between Believers and Infidels must go on forever, until such time as the latter finally yield to the former, and Islam dominates everywhere, and everywhere Muslims rule. It is not hard to find the extensive textual support for this in the Qur'an, the Hadith, and the Sira. It is not hard to find, in the 1350-year history of Islam, historical evidence that demonstrates, through the activities and behavior of Muslims, that this doctrine is taken seriously and, whenever deemed necesary and possible, will be acted upon.

Of course, for centuries, those simple souls who lived deep within Dar al-Islma, illiterate and largely aware of the Infidels only as a remote possibility, would not be Jihad-minded as Muslims today, who because of three things -- the oil wealth (ten trillion dollars since 1973), and the migration (tens of millions of Muslims permitted to settle deep behind what they have been taught to regard as enemy lines, the lines delineating the Dar al-Harb, that is Bilad al-kufr, the Lands of the Infidels), and finally, the new technologies that make the dissemination of Islam, to the remotest peasant, not only the Five Pillars of ritual worship (shehada, zakat, salat, ramadan, hajj)but the passages that preach, as so much of Qur'an does, and as the Hadith reinforce, Jihad -- understood to allow for the employment of non-combat means as well to spread Islam, through the "wealth" weapon, through campaigns of Da'wa, through demographic conquest that is openly discussed, openly seen as the best means of subverting the Infidels, and not only in Western Europe.

Yes, the British public -- and other Infidel publics -- should learn all they can about Islam. But not from the likes of any group with the word "dialogue" in its title, not from those "Mosque Outreach Nights," not from the army of apologists who are everywhere, not least having infiltrated into some church groups, into the bureuacracies of the E.U. and the U.N., and who are present to reinforce the idea that Islam is merely a "religion" and those who dare to question its tenets are, of course, to be summarily dismissed as "hate-mongers." And when any attempt is made to present the evidence -- the evidence from the texts of Islam, the evidence provided by history, evidence accumulated over many centuries, or even just that from the last few decades, or few years, or few months, or few weeks, or few days, of unyielding Muslim hostility to Infidels, and to the entire civilizational legacy of those Infidels, it is not examined, not looked at.

For like Mr. Podsnap, much of the Western world does not wish to know about these Disagreeables. It wishes, like Mr. Podsnap, to snap its fingers, and put those Disagreeables out of sight, out of mind. They will not be noticed, and therefore, they will not exist.

That is how those whose duty it is to protect and instruct us have behaved, are behaving. For one-third of a century little has been done, almost nothing, to limit the Muslim, chiefly Arab, oil revenues that have made possible the acquisition of major arms (hundreds of billions of dollars worth) and funded arms projects, has provided the "money" weapon that, through bribery and boycotts and a network of Western businessmen eager to curry favor, has been so important to preserving Saudi Arabia's image as a "staunch ally" even as it becomes, with the Islamic Republic of Iran, one of the most malevolent and powerful enemies of the West.

Mr. Podsnap put aside all "disagreeables" for they "offended him."

For decades now, and still today, those Engagers-in-"Dialogue," those three-abrahamic-faith boys, those we-all-have-so-much-to-learn-from-one-anther enthusiasts --

Podsnaps All.

If we show an interest in Islamic people it’s more likely they will show an interest in Christianity and we can build bridges.

I think I am going to puke....

The greatest ally to islam is naive liberal thought. Whether its from liberal Chrisitans or liberal atheists.

Only 53%???

"Mr Bond called for Christians to get to know Muslims so they could better understand them, by spending time together, sharing meals and even reading scripture together, despite their doctrinal differences."

-from the article.

One wonders if Mr Bond is aware that Islam denies the divinity of Christ and teaches that Judas Iscariot died in his place.
So Mr Bond shares scripture with these people?

Incredible dhimmitude and a betrayal of Christ.

So now we hear that Christians should read the terror guide, the koran. How about mooslimes reading the bible. Wait they are illegal in many muslim countries. So, we just need to get to know the muslims. Let them into our lives, eat with them, pray with them. I doubt that any devout muslim would do any of that..

I doubt that any devout muslim would do any of that..

Posted by: Phximan

Exactly right.

Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.’”

Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’”

Qur’an 3:118 “O you who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, and Christians). They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin. Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths. What their hearts conceal is far worse. When they are alone, they bite off the very tips of their fingers at you in their rage. Say unto them: ‘Perish in your rage.’”

Ibrahim Mogra, chair of the interfaith relations committee of the Muslim Council of Britain, said the media in the UK too often presented a distorted view of the religion.

I simple love this. This has made my day, (the media in the UK too often presented a distorted view of the religion) . means that the MSM is finally not buying in to all that male bovine anal detritus that has been trotted out by by every Muslim and Muslim apologist that is wheeled out in front of the camera when they need a 30 second platitudinal sound bite.

The phrase "bridge-building" always gives me the heebie-jeebies.

What if the bridge is the drawbridge on a siege tower, just waiting to be lowered on to the parapets of a sleeping city? What if the bridge has a footing only on one side of the stream? Or what if the footing is on one side of an endless ocean? Or worst of all, what if one loses sight of where the footing should be in the first place?

Christians are enjoined to love their enemies, so "bridge-building" might be consistent with that command. But Christians are not to do anything --bridge-building included-- without circumspection: "See, I am sending you out like sheep into the midst of wolves; so you must be wise as serpents and innocent as doves." That's the only warning that those calling themselves Christians should concern themselves with.

As a note, Buddhism was actually wiped out by Muslims in its place of birth - India. Those peaceful saffron robed Buddhist monks never really understood what hit them.

I feel pity for those Buddhists - to them the Muslim invaders must have seemed like alien invaders from outer space, for the lack of compassion and mercy they showed to the defeated and surrendering Hindu and Buddhist fellow humans. Come to think of it, alien invaders from outer space, is a good analogy. If SF is any guide, aliens would behave in exactly the way as Muslims have behaved. The aliens would invade Earth with the specific objective of conquering it, then to kill the male earthlings and take female earthlings as carriers for future aliens born on planet Earth. In other words to replace the human population of earth with aliens.

Buddhism was the dominant faith in Afghanistan - it was wiped out there and the remaining vestige of that era, the Bhummiyan Buddhas, were blown up by devout Muslims.

Come to think of it, alien invaders from outer space, is a good analogy.

- Posted by: DP111

DP111,

If aliens from outer space came to Earth with the intention of conquering and enslaving mankind and, by chance, they happened to land in an Islamic country...I would side with the aliens, at least for a while.

Mike_W psoted : If aliens from outer space came to Earth with the intention of conquering and enslaving mankind and, by chance, they happened to land in an Islamic country...I would side with the aliens, at least for a while.

You put me in a quandary but I think I will go along with that. Once the enemy within has been defeated, it will be much easier to fight the aliens from outer space, under the assumption of course(??) that human Leftists and appeasers will not really side with aliens.

Yeah, I demand more balanced coverage of pedophiles, Nazis, serial killers, and rapists.
I want to know the good qualities of men like Ted Bundy and Richard Speck.

After all, few people realize that Nazi Germany crammed twenty years of rocket research into five years. Hitler also loved dogs and warm summer days in the Alps, and he was never accused of slapping Eva Braun.

I forgot to add, Hitler didn't drink, didn't smoke, didn't eat meat and didn't chase women. And he loved his mother. There is something wrong with that.

Mike_W

Do you watch Stargate? Series 9 is interesting in that SG1 come across a very real threat to our galaxy and to Earth. It comes from a group who believe that the ORI created the Universe. The Ori missionaries visit planets with just a book in their hands. The missionaries, the priOri (Yes, I know), tell the natives of the all powerful Ori, and the good that Ori will do for them in this life and grant them Ascension after death. They ask the inhabitants to convert to the Ori faith. If they do not, or if they do and if even becomes an apostate, all the inhabitants of the planet are obliterated.

I wont spoil it for you if you wish to watch the series.

Correction:

If they do not, or if they do and if even one becomes an apostate, all the inhabitants of the planet are obliterated.

"How many Imams have we see on the front pages talking about compassion and love, there are hundreds of them"

... and all of them are professional liars

I did start reading the Koran.

That's why I am here.

Aliens & Muslims? Read this:

http://www.8bm.com/diatribes/volume01/015/301.htm