Jihad against Christians in Iraq continues. "String of Baghdad Bomb Blasts Kill 16," by Sameer N. Yacoub for Associated Press (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- A series of bombs exploded in rapid succession in a shopping district in a mainly Christian neighborhood of Baghdad on Wednesday, killing 16 people and wounding 87, police said....Just before noon, a car bomb and two roadside bombs blew up within 10 minutes in a shopping district of the Camp Sara neighborhood, which is predominantly Christian, 1st Lt. Ali Abbas said.
The blasts left 16 dead and wounded 87, including shoppers and 15 policemen, destroying cars and collapsing part of a nearby building, he said.
Bodies lay in the street next to the smoking wreckage of burning cars. Rescue workers piled corpses into an ambulance parked next to the crumbled facade of a building, while a policeman warned residents to leave the area for fear more bombs would explode.
Who cares? They're only infidels, right?
Just a typical day for infidels in the land of Islam.
Where are our sleeper cells in Baghdad?
This blackness of heart in Islam is deep, and needs it's neck stepped on and a silver bullet shot through it's heart. It has festered and spread for centuries.
It is in every country. Darfur is the most egregious - MILLIONS dead. not thousands. or even hundreds of thousands. MILLIONS. Islam has had a strong hand in the genocide there.
The pain being inflicted on the present day population of the world by Islamic jihadist is irrefutably being delivered by their hand.
We just can't go to sleep. It is all enough to make us go to sleep, because it seems so overwhelming. Sustaining one's anger over this is exhausting.
We can fight back with words, ideology, guerrilla warfare, sleeper cell warfare, strategy and surprise as well as infiltration and dismantlement.
The war of exposing them to be what they are is good, but has not done enough to motivate and mobilize people, other than through our military, which is criticized and badgered from the liberals. Let's see how liberal they are when a car blows up in front of their house.
I am frustrated. I don't think violence is the answer, but it seems to be a language they understand. Certainly not peace. Prayer is powerful and will likely do the most good. This is spiritual warfare equally as much as it is warfare in the world. Just look a the one speech made by the pope. That was a potent example of putting light into the darkness, even as abstract as it was. He used a very non-violent method to expose them which elicited the core of their nature: violence, death and destruction - all hallmarks of deep evil. We must be vigilant and fight on every level.
once again the soldiers of the Peaceful Religion of Islam kills unarmed, non threatening civilians doing mundane tasks such as shopping.
I am not impressed by these "soldiers". They act just like gangland thugs. Nothing more.
Conspicuously Absent: Any mention in the headline that Christians were the victims.
RAMA-DAMA-DING-DONG!
Didn't the sunni-muzlim top extremist call for good muzlims to kill some "Christian Dogs" during this, the holy month of rama-dama-ding-dong?
I believe it's the month of forgiveness, rama-dama-ding-dong that is.
They teach us much, these muzlims...
We should be helping all Christians and Jews who remain in the lands of dar al Islam to get to our lands of dar al Harb. Seriously. There is no future for people like us in Muslim countries. If the law in Afghanistan and Iraq is to be heavily dependent upon Shari'a, we clearly have no future there. Even the Dhimma does not offer a bullet-proof margin of safety. And definitely not bomb-proof
Muslims must hate cars, they sure blow up a lot of them. The people are just in the way.
Cars are a symbol of the capitalistic western influences.
This would not have happened under the regime of Saddam Hussein and Tarik Aziz. If it did the perpetrators would have been quickly rounded up and executed in the most cruel manner. Unfortunately Saddam and Aziz are in prison and there is nobody to protect the Christians.
Bombs don't kill people. Jews and Christians aren't people.
Sadaam would also round up the father, mother, sister, brother, uncle, aunt, grandparents, then get rid of all. Next, he would notify the neighbors , they had better tow the party line or else.
The remarks referring to the "blackness of Muslims' hearts," made by various posters are generalizations from which we would do well to distance ourselves, though we should still guard ourselves against those aspects of Islam that are incompatible with our western liberal ideas and democratic institutions. Let me explain why.
I am an American married to an Israeli Jew of Iraqi descent. She was born in Israel but her parents remember Baghdad quite well, having been teens in the 40's. Their community had a very long (and mostly positive) experience with their Muslim neighbors and have fond memories of Baghdad and its people. Jews were an ancient community there, important to trade (indeed dominating business in the capital) and almost all entertainers and musicians were Jews. When the Nazis instigated a nationalist coup and unleashed a massacre against the Jews of Baghdad, it was common Muslim Arabs who saved their lives, and it was the Iraqi king and his loyal troops who stepped in at the last moment and killed the miscreants.
Don't get me wrong. I've seen the ugliness of the Islamo-nazis up close and am not squeemish about what we have to do. I'm just saying "Hey! Let's not lose our perspective here."
We need to set before us the truth that when we paint such a huge part of humanity ("the Muslims") with one stroke of our brush, that we be wary lest we resort to tactics and generalizations that offend against the very humanitarian and liberal values we seek to uphold.
Yes. I am sure you are right. I am only talking about the extreme Muslims of today whose message of violence is reaching us through the media and the deaths of countless innnocent people. The motivations behind these acts is deeply black and sinister.
To all peaceful Muslims, I apologize. Apologies to all the raped women, tortured men, mutiliated children, surviving families of the beheaded and murdered innocent by Muslims we have no other way to distinguish from the peaceful ones, are not only due, but stand demanded and unanswered from the Muslims who committed these acts. Are we able to forgive them?
My apologies to you and your wife. It is unfortunate that the few hundred thousand extremists shaking their fists at the world, blowing up cars, and threatening anyone not Muslim with "death", are not representing the views of the remaining millions of Muslims. It is very hard for us here to see any difference, we have been tricked, and lied to and attacked.
I think that our "Western liberal ideas" are more about being honest and open minded rather than being liberal. Our democratic institutions are the results made of brilliant minds with no limitations on them.
I am speaking to the intent of evil, death and destruction propagated by those who use the Qu'ran literally to support the mission of death to infidels. It is not a religion of peace. I am sorry. It is not.
With that in mind, I have a hard time not "generalizing".
Memories can be deceptive, or may not tell the whole tale. Jews in Baghdad, for a brief period, essentially during the dozen years of British rule (1920-1932) and then another decade, could enjoy the fruits of their labor, and the elites of Baghdad, who sent their sons to a Jesuit-run "college" (in the French sense) because they recognized the superiority of Western, even or especially, that offered by a Christian order, did enjoy a kind of afterglow. But that was only in Baghdad, among the advanced elements of the population. And Islam was weak; Islam seemed not to be the wave of the future, as it may now appear to some.
No, it was not all horror, and had it been, the Jews of Baghad would have left sooner. But the Farhud of June 1-2, 1941, in which hundreds of Jews were killed on the streets of Baghdad, sometimes in ways that would allow large numbers of people to enjoy the spectacle, participate in the fun -- such as tying victims down to be run over by busses -- testify to things not being quite as smooth as some remember. And of coures after the war, when all the Jews of Iraq fled, fled from what had been the second most important Jewish presence in any city in Asia (after Jerusalem), and were stripped of all their possessions, that had perhaps beem accumulated over hundreds of years, is also telling.
Yes, a few Jews were left. And we know what happened to them. Remember the public hanging of 13 Jews (and several Christians) as "Zionist spies" in the 1960s -- a hanging which became a veritable festival, to which half-a-million Baghdadi Muslims turned out to watch, and be entertained.
That needs to be remembered, and kept clearly in mind. And it was no different elsewhere -- no different in Cairo, for example, where Jews had lived, but lived insecurely, under Muslim rule for many centuries. That some Muslims could overlook the attitudes that Islam naturally engenders is a point in their favor, and reflects their inattention to Islam, their refusal to be bound by the tenets and attitudes of Islam, not a point for which Islam should be permitted to take credit.
Alert-up-usa: Your media has brain washed you so much that you could not think of nothing else. When there is a bombing anywhere, it is understood it is done by Muslim Extremists as this is what your news channel propagate. Wrong, it is done by terrorists. Terrorists got no religion. When you had this Oklohoma bombing, your media never said Christian terrorist did that! Were Irish terrorists called Christian terrorists? Your media is so biased that you have no other views whatsoever. Your so called 'free' media is so much controlled by your government and people funding those institutions that they don't let you see the other side. Wake up folks, time to face the reality!
Religions are all equal and they all stand for peace & prosperity. Killing of innocent human beings is totally unreligious. Don't get played in the hands of your crook media and politicians.
RustyPrick;
How can you believe that? Surly, study of the Bible, and then the koran, would not lead to that, only not cracking them open would.
I suggest a bit of reading.
I've gathered from some other threads that RustyPrick is a troll, Muslim, or ignoramus.
Last I checked, McVeigh's religious beliefs were unknown. RustyPrick seems to assume that white Americans are Christians and that if you are born a Christian (McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic) you are always a Christian. This is not true. In the west, people have a choice of abandoning religious beliefs as adults with fear of being killed as apostates (like Islam proscribes). Considering McVeigh never admitted to being a Christian or having acted in the name of Jesus or Christianity, why would he be called a Christian terrorist?
As for the IRA. I don't know much about that reporting to make an accurate comment.
"Killing of innocent human beings is totally unreligious" HA! It depends on which religion you are talking about.
"Once the Sacred Months are past, (and they refuse to make peace) you may kill the idol worshipers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. Allah is Forgiver, Most Merciful. Sura 9:5
Narrated 'Ikrima:
"Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Hadith Bkhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57
Is this enough religious motivation for you? There's more, but I don't want to take up more space.
DesertDawgN29 you also have to understand the historical context from which the Jews were rooted at the time. Most of the Middle East was Christian and Jewish for a long time. The Christians and Jews dominated every aspect of Middle Eastern societies for a long time, but the Islamic rulers through continuous inventions of systematic subjugations, terrors and mass killings, and forcible conversions, a large portion of the intellectually superior populace was forced into the depraved Islam. Therefore, it is more than likely by that time Jews had strong connections in the Baghdad community, and an attack on them would have been viewed as an attack on the community as a whole. Furthermore, Muslims are supposedly supposed to protect people of the book; I'm sure they used that as an excuse.
Just because Muslims risen up to protect their community members does not mean the Baghdad Jews would have met a better fate than other infidels who suffered a horrid fate in the Middle East. And indeed, the future showed that they would have not, even without Israel, as demonstrated in Lebanon’s civil war. It is not accurate to suggest that Muslims can become benign and stay that way; that they will not ultimately pursue their faith.
Who said that Muslims cannot behave humanely? Some have, but don’t attribute that to their religion. If anything, many who have acted humanely went against their brothers, which is a no no in Islam. Or did so because they are Muslim by name only. Islam and compassion don’t mix, never had. Islam and civility don’t mix, never had.
Rusty,
All religions are NOT equal. Sorry. I have spent about 40 yrs of my 55 studying them. Some are equal, while others are inferior and another superior. None surpasses Christianity. None have a true Son of God but Christianity. All have prophets. Maybe this is where you are confused. However, all prophets are not equal. Maybe you are getting the Declaration of Independence confused with the hierarchy of prophets.
I would not put, for example Bahá'u'lláh or Sai Baba in the same class as Gautama Buddha, for that matter. All very different. While all gifted and all enlightened, each with very appealing theology, none gave their life for me. After many years of study and practice in many religions, I can tell you, you need to do some research.
Of course these acts are done by terrorists. Their "religion" is the foundation for their terrorism. Yes, they have been misled. All acts of terrorism are acts of desperation and cowardice.
I am also aware of our medias filters and the nature in which they "cleanse" the news we get. That is why I after living in several countries outside the USA, I read news from all over the world in several languages (which I speak) - to ensure that I am not being "fed" senselessly.
Thanks for your observations and cause for lively discussion,
Hugh, you made a good point: memories can be very selective. But the ghastly illustrations from the Farhud of 1941 against the Iraqi Jews can also be drawn alongside incidents from Eastern Europe during WW2, the pogrom era in Russia, the Haidamack and Chelmnitski massacres of the 1600s and 1700s, etc.(or the massacres of the Reformation Era wars among Christians for that matter) all of which had the willing participation of Orthodox and Roman Catholic clergy, some motivated by ethnic hatred, others by religious animosity. One also finds many incidents of European theologians condoning the persecution of Jews as "punishment" for their alleged "obstinancy." There are plenty of survivor (and participant) accounts of "average" people gleefully burying rabbis alive and of massacres being turned into festive celebrations, as witnessed by the book "There Once Was a World" by professor Yaffa Eliach.
My point was not that I don't recognize the atavistic elements in various strains of Islam for what they are, or that I underestimate the danger they pose, or that Islam is NOT a major cause of anti-deluvian, anti-progressive thought and action in our modern world, but that we should see individual Muslims as INDIVIDUALS, a fact which SOME of your posters don't recognize.
I hope we can all look at our own past as a civilization and see that we outgrew certain primitive beliefs. I look forward to Muslims doing the same thing and to their reforming their faith, if it is possible. My fear is that their primitive brothers will cause the rest of us more suffering until they decide to grow up.
Whether Islam can indeed "grow up" is another issue.
DesertDawgN29 you have to look at oppressive policies instituted in Islamic countries since Islam’s inception 1300 years ago. Try to recognize that Muslims have an identity, and it is not a pretty one or a tolerable one. You have to read the Quran, and see that it’s a constitution of Muhammad’s monarchy that is vile, wretched, and plain criminal. This website educates people of the Muslim identity.
Muslims and Nazis are not very different. In fact, Muslims caused misery and death MANY times the number that the Nazis did. Islam is involved in 90% of the world’s conflicts today. Muslims carry Islam.