Now it looks as if the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas in 2001 in Afghanistan was an act of jihadists from all over. "Bin Laden's prints seen on ruins of Bamiyan Buddhas," by Selim Saheb Ettaba for AFP, with thanks to Fjordman:
BAMIYAN, Afghanistan -- In a huge cavity dug into the side of a cliff, workers search through the rubble to exhume the remains of the giant Buddhas of Bamiyan.At the scene of the crime carried out in 2001 all evidence points to Osama Bin Laden as the mastermind. "This is the terrorism of the Taliban," says Rahim, an official at the work site in front of the empty niche of the biggest of the two statues, one of which stood 55 meters (182 feet) tall and the other 38 meters.
Wearing a hard hat and a mask over his mouth, one of the workers, Rajab, is trying to save the remains of the destruction in which one of his family members played a part. "The Taliban took Ali Reza, one of my relatives, and they suspended him from a cable at the side of the Buddhas. Then they forced him to beat at the statues with an axe and an iron rod," he says. "They took four or five like him, to punish them for having fought against them."
He says that there were Arabs, Pakistanis, and Chechens among the Taliban fanatics who oversaw the demolition of the ancient relics - until then the largest standing Buddhist statues in the world - carried out on the orders of the head of the Taliban regime because they were deemed idolatrous.
One of his colleagues, Abdul Ali, adds: "The Taliban were the executors, but the masterminds were the Arabs and the Pakistanis."
At the nearby village of Sangchaspon, where the government has sent people who once lived in caves dug into the cliff around the Buddhas, two more witnesses give a similar account. "They started with tanks but that did not do much damage so they brought in explosives," says Mirza Hussein, another of the prisoners that the Taliban brought in to destroy the Buddhas.
"There were Arabs and Pakistanis," says Hussein, who was present for all 25 days it took to demolish the statues. As he recalls it, the foreigners "came by helicopter."...
There is a documentary playing on cable lately about the destruction of these statues. I caught a few minutes of it last night. But of course there is the obligatory "The West did not care about the Afghans until the destruction of these statues was reported". This from an al-Jezeera reporter undercover to get the "big scoop" as he put it on the demise of these buddhas.
Fast forward to the time when the same people run France and Italy. Think of what will be done to the treasures in all those museums and churches. Gone forever.
The article below was first posted five months ago, but rather than rewrite the thing ab ovo (possibly the ovum struthionis in the Montefeltro altarpiece of Piero della Francesca, identified as such by Millard Meiss), here it is again.
"Who will save the monuments?
The threat to Western art posed by the Islamization of Europe:
Already statues have been vandalized by Muslims in public places, and in churches, in both France and Italy. The destruction of the monuments and artifacts and hence part of the histories of Infidels, that so many Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and Buddhists in the Middle East, in North Africa, in the Balkans and southeastern Europe, in Central Asia and Hindustan and in southeast Asia know well, now has come to Western Europe. What will happen in Italy, where every street corner in Rome has something that could be damaged by determined Muslims? What will happen to the churches, to the frescoes (including that which Muslims have been taped planning to destroy in Bologna), to the paintings in the Louvre, the Prado, the National Gallery, the Rijksmuseum, the Alte Pinakothek, the Uffizi? Has any organized association of museum curators, or of art scholars, even dared to think of organizing a conference on the protection of art in Europe, and the prohibitions of Islam against sculpture of all kinds, against paintings of living creatures?
Is anyone at all thinking about this, and contacting others? What about Philippe de Montebello or J. Carter Brown or Anne d'Harnoncourt or any other museum directors or retired directors, or any celebrated collectors, or those who already belong to such groups as Save Venice or Save Florence or FAI or Save Art here and there and everywhere? What about those who fund foundations that will pay to rescue Roman mosaics from the rising man-made floods that covered Zeugma, or the Temples near Aswan, but have a new kind of inundation to deal with, the flood-tide of Islam's adherents, who to the extent that they take their Islam seriously, can only threaten Western art, as they once not only threatened, but managed to destroy, so much of Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Greco-Bactrian monuments, stupas, manuscripts, temples, artifacts, to erase, or to appropriate as their own, the signs and symbols of anything pre-Islamic or non-Islamic?
This cannot wait. Raising the matter publicly, noisily, so that everyone is made aware of the problem, so that Muslims themselves (the same ones who pretended to be outraged by the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas but in truth helped the Taliban, as those Pakistani and Saudi engineers did, and were secretly pleased at the result) are put on the defensive, and forced either to admit to or to change their ways.
Raising the issue will offend Muslims -- or at least, many will feign indignation. But why? The issue is real. The prohibition is real. Any Muslim can find it in Qaradawi's handy guide to what is halal and what haram. Any Muslim can read what the Egyptian Grand Muft said recently about this. Muslims have been acting on those prohibitions for 1350 years. Now they exist, in large numbers, within the Lands of the Infidels, the Bilad al-kufr. This poses many problems for Infidels, their laws, customs, understandings, political and social institutions, physical security -- and for their artistic heritage, the heritage that, supposedly, belongs to everyone.
Time to bring it all out into the open. Who will be brave enough to discuss it? If not the heads of American or European museums (who, for all I know, are eager to obtain Arab money for some pathetic "Islamic art" wing and as craven in their pursuit of such money, and hence in their willingness to remain silent on all sorts of questions, as college and university presidents whose every statement is cleared with the Development Office, that beating heart of the modern university) then who?
It could be one of those scholars grateful for the training he received, perhaps at the Warburg or at the Courtauld, in the days when that instruction would have been given by some unforgettable, irreplaceable Jewish refugee from another totalitarian belief-system, that which ruled Germany and almost wrecked European civilization.
There is one celebrated art historian whose clashes with the Belle Arti in Italy have been based not on any deliberate damage inflicted, but rather on the unintentional damage that may have been caused by well-intentioned cleaning that may have removed what the artists in question (Michelangelo, Jacopo della Quercia) foresaw, and intended to be, the pleasing effects created by the patina of time on the Sistine Chapel, on the giant statue of Ilaria del Carretto in Lucca.
So perhaps someone will kindly pass on this suggestion to Professor James Beck of Columbia. He would at once grasp the gravity of the problem that large numbers of Islam's adherents, now in Western Europe, pose to our civilization and its artifacts, as the behavior of Muslims who conquered initially through the sword, and completed their dominance through demographic conquest demonstrates.
And as the boys from the Belle Arti, and some Japanese businessmen who were awarded proprietary rights in the Cappella Sistina reproductions have discovered to their own great dismay, nothing and nobody intimidates James Beck."
[Posted at June 14, 2006 09:17 AM]
There can be nothing more representative about humanity. Budhha killed by Mohammad. Buddha's strange emphasis on being killed rather than killing, on not making authoirty on any text, scripture or person including himself but on one's own observations and experience, on his refusal to say anything not experienced including God, on not making any dogma out of the religion, on his just being another human who have attained understanding through sheer hardwork and contemplation and any human can do it relatively easily, his immense pain on seeing the sufferring and death and a subsequent quest to find out answer to it, his refusal to accept any dogma, any doctrine given by religion of the time just on the basis of faith... around 2600 years ago. I wonder what Mohammad would have done with him, if by strange time machine we could have brought Buddha in his time, since BUddha refused to believe in God made of stones, as well as God made by human mind, in any text reavealed by God or even worse did not find any need for God at all. Contrary to all, I for one am convinced that we would not have all these jihadists on earth today.
Come to think of it, the ovum struthionis leads ineluctably to the ostrich theme, and ostrich-like behavior, and so might be a suitable emblem to be used, in reminding and monitory mockery, of much of the Western world, including the Western museum-and-gallery going, painting-and-sculpting, collection-developing, connoisseur-and-tyro art-loving or pretend-art-loving Western world.
The ovum struthionis...the perfect symbol to mock those who...well, none so blind as those who will not see.
Yes.
In hoc signo....
It just shows how destructive these scum are and what we have waiting for us.
I still can,t believe how blind the average westener is to these people,when will they wake up.
All this proves is that this scum has no regard for anything-destruction for the sake of destruction. One day these maniacs will be repaid in kind-perhaps with the destruction of things they hold so near and dear (other than killing, of course).
See the Bouguereau at http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Naissance_de_V%C3%A9nus_%28Bouguereau%29
The English wiki article and its picture are much less good.
About 30 years ago I spent a couple of weeks up at Bamian climbing up and inside the biggest Buddha there to the top of his head and through the hundreds of caves in those cliffs. They didn't just destroy the stone Buddhas, which by the way had already been desecrated by the first Muslim invaders who removed the turquoise and gold that originally covered the face and clothing. They also destroyed many extraordinary frescoes of Buddhas and angels that were painted onto the walls surrounding the Buddha and in the caves. These frescoes were an absolutely unique meeting of Oriental and Hellenic styles, a merging of Eastern and Western art forms, of Pagan Greek, Christian and Chinese, Tibetan and Indian Buddhist iconography.A tragic and irretrievable loss. Shame, shame on them!
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Dr.Paul Williams, the man directly responsible for preventing an Islamist attack on the Canadian Parliament (June-2006)and the assassination of the Canadian P.M., is being sued by McMaster University (to the tune of 6 Million dollars!) for his efforts.
Since the lawsuit against Professor Williams was announced his "friends" in Canada have cut all communications with him (obviously out of fear that they also will be sued), leaving Paul up some Northern river without a paddle. We never expected a "thank-you" or other expression of gratitude from the Canadian public (and none was forthcoming), however, Williams' being treated like a leper was/is totally unexpected.
Paul Williams is in immediate need of a Canadian lawyer. He is required to file a response to the lawsuit within a few days (Friday actually). If anyone know of an experienced and committed advocate willing to take on such a case, please contact me at Michaelmgr@Gmail.com
Thank you,
Michael Travis
Michael Travis is solely responsible for the above letter.................so sue me, our Israeli courts will bleed you dry!
**
Paul L. Williams is an American author, journalist, and consultant. He is also an adjunct professor of [[humanities].
He received a Bachelor of Arts degree in English from Wilkes University, a Master of Divinity degree from Drew University, and a Doctor of Philosophy degree also from Drew.
He is the author of six books, the most recent one being Dunces of Doomsday: 10 Blunders That Gave Rise to Radical Islam, Terrorist Regimes, and the Threat of an American Hiroshima.[1]
Williams came to international prominence in early June, 2006, as a result of his central involvement as an investigator the month prior into the suspicious activities of members of the faculty of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. These investigations, paired with investigations being conducted by Ontario police eventually led to the arrests of 17 terrorist suspects by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).[2][3]. Prior to this, he served for seven years as a consultant to the FBI about terrorist and mafia criminal organizations.[4]
The ovum struthionis...the perfect symbol to mock those who...well, none so blind as those who will not see.
Yes.
In hoc signo....
Posted by: Hugh
For those of us who are Latinly-challenged.. what kind of an egg are you talking about?
I wonder what Mohammad would have done with him, if by strange time machine we could have brought Buddha in his time, since BUddha refused to believe in God made of stones, as well as God made by human mind, in any text reavealed by God or even worse did not find any need for God at all. Contrary to all, I for one am convinced that we would not have all these jihadists on earth today.
Posted by: pagan
I think it's predictable what Mohammed would have done if he'd ran into Buddah. We'd still have the jihadists today. Mohammed would have ordered Ali to cut his head off! You think Mohammed would have respected, let alone considered, what Buddah said and did? Mohammed was a shell of a man - a container for 'the hollow place' that all sociopaths house. Mohammed would have had any and all spiritual beings killed than fell into his grasp. If they had some spiritual influence over others then Mohammed would have wasted no time in having Buddah's head laid into his crossed legs. Come on! Mohammed was a being devoid of spiritual and emotional essence as we understand it. Mohammed is a medieval manifestation of the same dark vacuum that produces Jeffrey Dahmer, Jim Jones, the Green River Killer, Adolph Hitler, Ed Gein the cannibal. The dark empty that devours lives, flesh and souls.
Mohammed is the world's most succesful sociopath. He'd have killed off Buddah as soon as it was expedient. Are you serious?
A_Plague_on_Both_Houses ,
On the second thought I think u r right.
Continuous ignoring of Robert's and Hugh's work by media, is more like the public response in the following south park episodes.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=southpark+cartoonwar&search=Search
Islamsforlosers said, "one day these maniacs will be repaid in kind-perhaps with the destruction of things they hold so near and dear." I say mecca would be a good start. An islamic scholar, a middle easterner, I heard being interviewed on talk radio a few months ago,(sorry,can't recall his name) said, that if mecca were destroyed, Islamists would know for sure that there was no allah or the profit because allah is so powerful, he wouldn't let that happen.
Rather perversely, the more intolerant and vicious face of islam is revealed, the more attractive and beneficial it seems to appear to our politicians and MSM. Not to mention its pull on our youngsters who are just in thrall of islam's grip on the news agenda.
There doesn't a day seem to go by without some documentary or other on muslims or islam is not aired on British TV screens.
British are not suffereing from islamofobia but islamophillia. We just can't seem to have enough of islam.
We seem to be craving for all things islamic. Every where you look in Britain today there are exhibitions, films, books and TV interviews galore on our islamic heritage! Even our monarch-in-waiting appears to be a koranic scholar, and who upon enthronement, wants to be the protector in chief of islamic faith here in Britain.
I do not seem to remember anyone in the British press actually giving a toss about these statues when it was announced that they were going to be destroyed.
I dare say that there is even a secrect admiration for muslims, mainly because they have virtually brought USA to its knees and for killing Jews, both admirable traits for our media people and chaterring classes in Britain.
An ostrich egg, apposite for ostrich-like behavior.
The essay by Millard Meiss on the ovum struthionis of Piero can be found by googling, unless it turns out to be accessible only through one of those subscription-only services.
Panofsky, Rosenberg, Friedlaender, Gombrich, Kitzinger, and a thousand others who helped raise the level of art history in England and, especially, America -- what would happen to them, what would happen to the art of Europe, if Tariq Ramadan were to get his wish?
The Czechs put in place the Benes Decree for a threat that at the time hardly existed, and only in order not to have to further worry about the loyalties and behavior of ethnic Germans in the Sudetenland, given the record of the previous ten years. We have 1350 years of history to tell us how Muslims treat non-Muslims, and the unambiguous texts of Islam: Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. Why should we feel abashed about discussing this? Why should it not be discussed everywhere, openly, unapologetically?
Assalamau Laikum all,
Ofcourse it is a great pity for the Taliban (who are a strange type of minority muslim) to have destroyed the statues of Buddah (whom I do hold in high regard). One has only to think about the thousands of man hours spent to work on the statues...a type of dedication which the muslim could do well to learn.
However, fast forwarding things a bit ....I think that when Wuslims run things they will be more careful with monuments. You see they know that pearls of knowledge are worth something and you know they are not pigs. ...Indeed I think that a brand new type of integrated architecture can pave the way forward. Let me elaborate on this very important point.
Monuments like the Vaitican & Whitehouse can never be destroyed...I am strictly against this.
I would be quite happy though to see (well blended) minerets (with obligatory high quality loudspeakers) to be erected at both sites. It will speak volumes of a sort of integration....Islam + the west ..with ease of each other.
When Islam dominates the future (as we all think it will) then I would prefer it to be "Ahmadi".
In this "journey" the Ahmadi view will require help certainly....and where best to get it from?...why within the midst of the infedel ....as we always have.
You, the Kafur is weak in faith and easily forgets...he fights...vigerously for freedom...for a few decades ..but then settles down and is weak again (Israel is a prime example of this). However combine Islam with this and this weakness will be cured...forever.
The Kafur also provides a rich honey fountain to be tapped...an irrestible and bottomless honey trap...in all sorts of ways.
Economy, kindness, schooling, grants, aid,..this must be made use of ...and I think future generations of Ahmadi is well placed for this.
This is good for the Kafur too, important former monumaents lilke the whitehouse cannot be demolished....but will be a thing of beauty to be admired...minerets and all....think abiout it ...at least they will be safe for one and all.
peace + copper plates with fresh dates be with you.
Read Naseem's posting above.
Scary new book.............
.Showdown with Nuclear Iran: Radical Islam's Messianic Mission to Destroy Israel and Cripple the United States
by Michael D. Evans, Jerome R. Corsi
Book Description
A terrifying examination of how Iran's president (a radical Shiite zealot) believes he has a "divine mission" to usher in the apocalypse and thereby herald the second coming of a Shia Muslim messiah-and how he is trying to achieve this by building his arsenal and threatening to cripple America and destroy Israel in a nuclear holocaust http://www.amazon.com/Showdown-Nuclear-Iran-Messianic-Cripple/dp/1595550755
We seem to be craving for all things islamic. Every where you look in Britain today there are exhibitions, films, books and TV interviews galore on our islamic heritage! Even our monarch-in-waiting appears to be a koranic scholar, and who upon enthronement, wants to be the protector in chief of islamic faith here in Britain.(*
Man what are you folks going to do in ten years? Londonstan will become the official name together with Anglostan insread of England. WOW... take it easy fella..
Ahmadi guy won a Nobel price in Physics. They can't be all nitwits?
Naseem is not necessarily a female name. My guess is this Naseem is deceptively a male.
you must be aware so far that the nobel prize don't mean anything anymore, it's just a political tool (*
You are right when it comes to peace or economics etc. There has been a clever guy from Ahamdi community who won it in Physics some years back. I really can't tell the difference between Ahmedi or a Muslim. They appear to say the same things in a slightly different manners and flavors.
A reminder to the Hitler worshipping muslims, based on the stuff that I read about him, I am 100.000% sure that if muslims were also in Germany in great numbers as the Jews, he would have done a dry run on muslims first before going after the Jews. He and his cronies didn't care much about the camel abusers.
Naseem, let's sit down to beer and pork together one of these days.
Re the Bamiyan Buddhas, I once met a professor of anthropology who had done fieldwork among the Shi'ah Hazara back in the 1960's and '70's. He recalled that even the local Hazara around Bamiyan used to blame the idols when crops failed or the sheep miscarried. Hence, I guess the reason they stood so long was simply because destroying them would've been too labor intensive with picks.
Then buddist disappeared from afghanistan (*
Budhism was the main religion in that area before evil Islam got a hold on it. Budhism lasted in Afghanistan over couple of thousand years.
It's about time to review some of Winston Churchill's best-remembered wartime speeches.
In June 1940, France fell to the Germans and Britain was suddenly isolated, facing occupied Europe and the very real threat of invasion. On June 18, 1940, a week after the French surrender, Churchill spoke to the House of Commons, warning that the coming summer would be critical to Britain's survival.
".....The Battle of France is over. I expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us.
Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this land or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.'....."
Assalamau LAikum Kepha
You say "Naseem, let's sit down to beer and pork together one of these days".
Sorry cannot do either, I'm partial to a bit of lamb and Lassi though....I'll do that!
Stillfedup....you bored are you...join islam...wear that veil...lots of fun there !
Afghanistan is a funni place...inhospitable for all , but muslims taki it in there sride ...funni that!
Naseem writes:
Ofcourse it is a great pity for the Taliban (who are a strange type of minority muslim)….
“minority muslim”, Really? What kind of crap are they smoking over there in pedophile land? The only minority Muslim there could be is the one that denounced violence and superiority.
“When Islam dominates the future (as we all think it will)”….
You stand corrected as usual. We don’t all think it will. It is impossible! The “Infidels” are in control of any real military and the entire global economy, the Saudis are under our thumb.
You must have been sleeping not to see that the “Infidels” won’t allow Islamic states to have any real weapons. And don’t give me the B.S. about weak nukes. Just one of our submarines can take out a few Islamic nations with a push of a button! The Imams know this. And the low powered nukes Islam does have will never launch. Do you think there isn’t someone fully employed to watch these sites from the US/ British/ Israel/ Australia militaries?
We are playing you puppets until we get tired of our toys.
Here in Western societies we feel what ever the media tells us to. Wait until Islam gets remotely strong or when your purpose is served and watch!
The propaganda will change and this Islamic nightmare will be over.
Weekendhammerman……..Named this for a reason!
As much fun as it is to bust Naseem's chops, you have to remember that he/she/it is a muslim. In other words, he/she/it has lived his/her/its whole life doing nothing but serving allah.
And let's face it, allah has offered up a sum total of jack-shit in return. For example:
The muslims have had their asses kicked in every war. The Crusading Christians basically walked in and claimed all the natural resources as their own. Every muslim state has lived under repressive regimes. And the women are so ugly that they are forced to wear scarves over their faces. In fact, their women are so ugly that most of the men there are raping the little muslim boys.
So, be easy on Naseem. Life as a muslim is as lame as it gets. And if you don't believe me, see Ibrahim Hooper (cair) as a point of reference.
KillHankKill:
You owe me for one pair of boxers because I just soiled them from uncontrollable laughter!
Thanks
To Kung Fu Fighter:
Britain's (and America's) finest hour is in the past. Churchill lived in a different time, when English-speaking people were not afraid to proclaim who they were and were not ashamed of their country and were not ashamed of their Christian and ethnic heritage. His oratory can only remind us how far we have fallen.
It's been almost seventy years since then. Almost everyone who heard that speech or read about it the next day is dead. And so are the ideals they fought for.
The British Empire is no more. Their most important goals now are free health care and guaranteed employment for all, not preservation of their freedom. America is a shell of its former self. Our military strength blinds us to just how weak we have become. We've sold out our own heritage to the highest bidder. Industries are gone. Everything we own is for sale, including our souls.
We might blame the Communists or Bill Clinton or even the Muslims for our troubles, but the worst thing is: we did it to ourselves.
This is worth repeating, and should be the subject of a Jihad Watch article: Robert, Hugh?
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Dr.Paul Williams, the man directly responsible for preventing an Islamist attack on the Canadian Parliament (June-2006)and the assassination of the Canadian P.M., is being sued by McMaster University (to the tune of 6 Million dollars!) for his efforts.
In the last few years, I've grown convinced that Canada, and Toronto especially, with its exploding Muslim population (mainly Pakistanis!), is becoming a major terrorist threat. No one seems to share these concern at Jihad Watch.
People, Naseem is a TROLL. Stop feeding him for fucks sake.
weekendhammerman,
"Just one of our submarines can take out a few Islamic nations with a push of a button!"
I think they belong to oil merchants controlling your government. Where as even one small nuke in a jihadist country will belong to the whole umma.
One of the more disturbing aspects of these death cultists is that they actually BELIEVE that these any and all of the edifices they obliterate (in total ignorance) are THEIR own personal property to destroy any way they want!!
One of the symptoms of the onset of Muslims' brain-death disease is that just because these people READ (or in most cases had it read to them, as their brains are usually too far gone to read due to Kuran-induced corrosion of their brain cells) that they can do something in their BOOK they have a perfect right to act on it whether or not it is true or (and even when they haven't a clue whether it's true or not).
They just destroy--unable to think, merely 'believing' that this is what the great al-lah has called them to do.
And so, some man-made marvel like the Bamiyan Buddha statues subsequently goes 'Kaboom'!!!
That's what I call being a GOOD killer-Zombie.
Pagan, I was so alarmed at your first post, I thought you'd lost your head too! Yes, Buddha did pacify Angulimaal the jungle terrorist, but there were no jihazis then!
Naseem, they already did it to the Taj Mahal (the four minarets of Islam, with a music house in the east gate to face the purported mosque in the west gate!!! Not content with that they even do Friday prayers at the Tomb in Zimmiland.) http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2216/stories/20050812004611500.htm; http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2216/stories/20050812004611500.htm
Over 30,000 temples destroyed in India, and one million more on the hit list in 21st century; and yes, the Taj Mahal is at the head of the list!
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm
weekendhammerman:
You may want to revise some of those sweeping statements of yours, well-intentioned as they are. You may have forgotten that China and Russia are not now on the side of the western democracies, many of which, like France and Germany, are showing clear signs of atrophy.
Pakistan already has the atomic bomb and missile technology to deploy it, my friend (and it probably got them from China so it may be more sophisticated than you think it is). The Muslims have gotten it into their heads that most western democracies are much too scared of them to hit back (and unfortunately that assessment is about right...most of us posters would happily hit back at these crazies--but of course no one has accorded any of us the political muscle to accomplish this). Maybe America will again find leaders who will show the cojones to strike back against its enemies--we can only hope (but it clearly WON'T be the Dems, now poised to win the next election). For now the PC-ers have scored the most points in the War on Terror.
By the way--
Communist China recently has muscled its way onto the world stage (winning worldwide accolades for its backstabbing against the United States)and is now busy supplying the Islamic nations of our world with all currently available weapons of mass destruction and the state of the art technology to use them with. And that is why Iran has gotten so impossibly cocky in recent months--it has China and Russia in its hip pocket and it has the US over an oil barrel. China and Russia are also active in supplying leftist western hemispere nations like Venezuela with weapons to deploy against the west!
Communist China's present economy is over 7 trillion at last count and is expanding into many parts of the world. The last time I checked, Australians favor CHINA over AMERICA and think the US is the world's greatest threat to peace! Go figure. Democracy is presently in dangerous straits. We cannot afford to be glib about this issue any longer.
I have also read that Communist China now possesses the world's largest standing army and it has teamed up with the Russkies. Domination of the globe by western, Christian democracies can no longer be taken for granted. Especially when some democracies like Australia can evidently be bought by non-democratic states like China.
Your ideas would have been reassuring-ONCE. But no more.
I am truly sorry to inform you.
The statues at Bamiyan were destroyed NOT because they were idolatrous as many believe. One of the doctrines of Islam is there be no compulsion in religion. I read Mullah Omar's website where he answered the question as to why the statues were destroyed. He said that the US NGO's had offerred the Taliban money to save the statues whose faces were worn from the harsh weather in Afghanistan. At that time there were 700 children dieing from the cold and starvation in the province. He asked the NGO if they money appropriated for the statues repairs could be used for the children. The NGO's said no. (note; they did not take the money under false pretenses and just use it for something else because they are men or honor and dignity). His Provincial Council discussed it and voted, then came to him for the final decision and they all agreed, since the NGO's did not care about saving Afghan children, they did not care about saving the statues. The anger everyone felt was the basis for the vote on blowing up the statues. Prior to that, they put up with the idolatrous statues because there is no compulsion in religion.
Ginap: If you believe that explanation for the demolition of the Bamiyan statues, you are one gullible duck.
First of all, Muslims are PROHIBITED BY THE KURAN TO DEAL HONESTLY WITH non-Muslims; so anything they post to the outside world where infidels are likely to be skulking about should be taken with a grain of salt (Muslims cannot take a chance that non-Muslims will figure them out!).
The Borobudur Buddhist edifice on Java was similarly attacked by Muslims on Java in Indonesia during the 1980s by Muslims for the same reason--it's non-Islamic which is an offense to them.
Muslims have invaded and destroyed at least nine major civilizations across the globe. They obliterated as much of these civiliations as they could lay their hands on and are still at it-- as the destruction of the Buddhist statues at Bamiyan clearly shows. Hindus will tell you all about the destruction of Hindu structures in the areas of the subcontinent where the Arabs invaded and conquered. In the Balkans where Islam has invaded, destruction of Christian cathedrals is commonplace. Do you have an excuse from Mullah Omar for that, Ginap???
So please don't give us this crap that Muslims believe that "there is no compulsion in religion." People who are targeted for death by Muslims can't be compelled to do anything, because they are going to be DEAD. That's what that passage in the KURAN really means and the Muslims both know it and take full advantage of it.
You are welcome to keep your lame excuses.
Look at the bright side the Bamiyan Buddhas put up one hell of a fight. It was a seige of 25 days! Despite the fact that there were no human defenders the mighty brains of Islam had to bring reinforments to finish the job.
I cannot forget watching and reading about the destruction when it happened. I remember how sad and mad I was when it happened and also recall laughing at how inept muslims are (it good therapy to laugh at them you know)). God help us if we are defeated by Islam then we only have ourselves to blame becuase they really are stupid....
Someone above asked, "Why won't the west wake up to these people?", or something to that extent. I recently did a paper on radical Islam (didn't back down, came to a rather "harsh" conclusion, some may say), and anyways, real information on Muhammad is very hard to find. The raw, real portrayal of Muhammad is ridiculously hard to find. We always get the lame, sugar-coated version of how he ruled the Muslims, not how he really did it. The information in Spencer's books is in such contrast to the other books I've been reading, that I had trouble coming to a definate conclusion about it, until I sought confirmation from my priest that what Robert here said was true.
It gets to the point, where we have been fed lies for so long, that the truth feels like hatred. But it isn't. It is accurate. And we must break the disgusting, sugar-coated lies, in order to start to get through to people. Donate Robert Spencer's books to libraries, learn as much as you can as to why Islam is a messed up religion, and talk people about it. Be reasonable, don't scare them off by coming off as too hard, but just ease into several basic truths about Muhammad, and work your way to the wife beating, 4-person rape rule, and the murder. A good way I like to start off with is the 3-choices given by Muhammad, and add in about how the four schools interpreting the Qur'an concur that it is right to wage war after asking someone to convert, and being denied.
pythagoras,
Against your white-and-black view of China, I need to inform you the possibility that China will join America in the war on terrorism when a global crisis such as the collapse of the US economy and geopolitical/military machine that would not just be a disaster for the US, but might send tsunami-type waves all over the globe. No man is an island! The majority of America's global adversaries -- China, for example -- would try their best to prevent US society, including its socio-economic and even military structure, from collapsing like the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001. This desirable scenario would create a vacuum that could well be at least partly filled by China. China does care about 1) its vast investments particularly in US treasury bonds which have financed the American war effort in Iraq and supports American economy, and 2) US as its largest trading partner in the world.
muslims has got to be the most insecure people. they cannot seem to be confident enough to have other religions along side there mosques in saudi arabia, they are against other religious statues, yet the bow down five times a day to a stupid black rock.
l wonder how they would feel if that black rock would vaporize into nothiness? Westerners are vey patient, but when the straws breaks the camel's back. all the appologist will not stop mecca from being destroyed. l will celebrate that day with a hotdog and good stiff drink!
The destruction of a valuable rock can only go down good with mystery meat in a bun and a beer!
Pythagoras:
Thank you for your informative reply.
I was caught in frustration after reading the thoughts of a cocky Muslim.
I’m sorry it took so long to reply but I had to log off so my other half could make a few phone calls.
I am more than likely in a state of delusion, but I think we only hear what has been pre-determined for us to know (Media head games). Pakistan is what I was referring to with my “Low powered nukes” remark.
No, China and Russia are not on the sides of western democracies. This may be the war to end all human kind. And with Islamic influence, it is a certainty.
Please keep in mind that the US is the dominant figure in the world by far. The only way for any other nation to show how tough they are is to oppose (Or back-stab) the “Big dog”. It’s like a playground. China, Russia and especially pantywaist France prove this.
The US over an oil barrel, Bent over and taking it! If it weren’t for cooperation’s we would have been off of oil years ago.
For the US to hold back so long maybe you’re right.
I share some of your thoughts but I refuse to give in. Crazy but I believe all governments know what’s going on and have a plan.
And F@#K Venezuela. They Just prove my point.
Thanks again, respectfully , weekendhammeman
ZenaWarriorPrincess,
Re : your post right above at October 30, 2006 09:26 PM
Psychologists say that any form of extreme human behavior is a sign of insecurity. Like a Muslim who needs to prey 5 times a day and constantly thinks about Koran. Or like a Westerner who desires materialistic possessions and always want more.
As for destroying Mecca's "black rock," you'd better think twice! Think about the Golden Rule :
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Or think about what the great martial artist / movie star Chuck Norris said, "The best defense is not to offend."
Well, it is OK to talk about it, since we live in a free Western world.
:-)
every time I hear that "in Islam there is no compulsion in religion" i feel like throwing up. In the light of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, this must be one of the most stupid statements on our planet.
Looking at the present barbarity of Afghanistan, with its violence, opium, guns, religious fanaticism and chronic poverty, one can hardly believe that the same country was once Buddhist.
What was destroyed between Europe and India by the lizard-eating barbarians proves that Islam brings the opposite of progress to any country.
Please read the exchange of letters between Yazgird III the commander of the Persian Imperial Armies after his defeat at the hands of the Islamic barbarians:
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/49613
Naseem says:
"Afghanistan is inhospitable..but muslims take it in their sride.."
Wherever there are muslims it will be inhospitable. They have no choice but to take it in stride. Naseem..you brain dead troll..name a country populated by muslims that is not a hell on earth and name a serious muslim who doesn't deserve to be there.
Naseem, the Bamiyam Buddahs are greater in their desecration than anything your phony rock god has ever offered humanity. The west is awake now and more join us everyday. We see what islam has wrought and you will fall in defeat. Oh, have a good night.
Kung Fu Fighter: "Against your white-and-black view of China, I need to inform you the possibility that China will join America in the war on terrorism..."
China has constructed the highest railroad in the world in the ecologically fragile permafrost region of the Tibetan plateau, with a view to integrating the erstwhile Buddhist land in Communist China. [http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20060819/ai_n16669444.
Opened in June, this epic railway runs across the Himalayan "roof of the world". A three-day, 48-hour journey from the Chinese capital Beijing, to Llhasa in Tibet offers travellers unsurpassed views of mountain passes, alpine deserts and the vast plains of the Qinghai plateau. At its highest point, the railway hits an altitude of 5,072m (16,604ft), higher than the peak of any mountain in Europe and more than 200m higher than the Peruvian railway in the Andes (see no 19). China Tibet Rail Link (0161-928 9410' www.gwtravel.co.uk).]
This is in addition to Chinese designs on Nepal, the northern and northeastern Indian Himalayas. The Maoists are currently engaged in terrorism in the Indian heartland in a very big way. They are natural allies of the jihadis, and are now planning a direct rail link to Pakistan (with easy access to the Persian Gulf).
http://pk.china-embassy.org/eng/zbgx/t270954.htm
http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.4/pub_detail.asp
The most interesting thing here is how the failed jihadi State of Pakistan is successfully calling the shots all over the world today. Charles and Camilla are the toasts of Lahore and Islam Bad just now, at the time of writing. Does the jinn speak in Musharraf's ears the way he did in Mahommet's, to raise the bar for the Din in Pakistan?
It took 25 days to demolish the statues. What sort of sick and twisted group of people puts more effort and energy into destroying rather then building and creating? Monsters they are. It boggles the mind. I shudder at the thought of what they could do to the art and architecture of Europe and everywhere for that matter.
I have heard Dr. Paul Williams on the radio and I like him.
'ginap' opined that mullah Omar was so mad that the NGOs cared more for the Bamiyan statues than 700 starving children that he just had to have the statues destroyed. Has it entered ginap's peabrain that with a fraction of the effort required to destroy the statues Omar could have fed 700 or even 7000 children. Is it any wonder that with brainless idiots like this ginap running around this war is so hard to fight?
'ginap' opined that mullah Omar was so mad that the NGOs cared more for the Bamiyan statues than 700 starving children that he just had to have the statues destroyed. Has it entered ginap's peabrain that with a fraction of the effort required to destroy the statues Omar could have fed 700 or even 7000 children. Is it any wonder that with brainless idiots like this ginap running around this war is so hard to fight?
Who fucks ginap's opinion! There are many muslim lovers around this world that would eat shit in the name of Allah and of his pig-lover prophet Muhhamad. Just ignore them. Let me remind you what these muslim-jihadistic pig-turks did in Ayia Sofia Church in Constantinopolis and in Parthenon. That is the case if your land is under occupation from muslim dogs. Your churches and monuments destroyed, your language and civilization supressed until you convert into muslim and until you start to believe your self of been an Arab. No one have said that Islam = Arabian SuperNationalism/Chauvinism. So let some gays believe whatever their sick muslim lovers tell them, they cannot reproduce, can they?
Mr. Spencer, It is a sign of the times (the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas) like everything else - such as the confrontation with the Pope, 9/11, Danish Cartoons, etc.
It simply means that Nemesis has marked Islam for revenge.
Let us hope fervently that the revenge against Islam happens swift and with as less damage as possible.
Abu Ayman, a leader of the Islamic Jihad terror group in the northern West Bank city of Jenin, told WND, "We saw in Iraq this month how Allah helped the mujahedeen fighters to mark a great victory, a victory that brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq."
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Vietnam? Yes, our senators are doing a great job of giving our enemies' their sound-bites.