Indian PM: "Credible evidence" of Pakistani involvement in 7/11 blasts

Of all the idiotic things that the Indian government does, not being able to deal effectively against a tinpot dictator of Pakistan must take the friggin' cake.

The Prime Minister of India, Dr Singh, is a confused man. One day he tells Pakistan that India has evidence of its involvement in terrorism in India. That Pakistan has been terrorising India for decades is as fresh news as that the Pope is Catholic or that bears shit in the woods. The single-minded pursuit of the destruction of Hindus (kuffars) is encoded in the DNA of Muslims and more specifically of Pakistanis. (Never mind that these Muslims' ancestors were once upon a time peaceful polytheists and Buddhists, just like yours truly.)

In the teeth of all the evidence, the idiotic govt of India then proceeds to make a "strategic partnership" with Pakistan to fight terrorism. Ah yes, the next we will hear of the farmer making a "strategic partnership" with the fox to protect the henhouse.

I am afraid that idiocy is not the best defense against Islamic terrorism. In fact, that Islamic terrorism has been effective in India for millennia is precisely because Indians are pretty idiotic when it comes to figuring out what is in their best intesters. (Disclaimer: I am an Indian.)

What the Islamic invaders of India started, Pakistan may well finish -- the destruction of one of the oldest civilizations in the world. After all, Islam does destroy, doesn't it?

It sure must be nice having a sizable fifth column of Muslims in India. Because of that India is virtually incapable of taking severe measures against their wonderful neighbor. I'm amazed there aren't even more of these atrocities taking place there since these maniacs can easily get away with them.

Coudnt Agree more Atanu.

However, I spoke to some outspoken muslim leaders recently that visited pakistan & india. (hint: this guy appeared in BBC some time ago)

He claims that the muslims are being badly treated. The bombs were exploded by hindus & blamed to the muslims. Muslims are living in fear. They are not represented by their goverment.

I replied:

1. There are more muslims polititions in India in ratio to its population.
2. There are more mosques in India than anywhere else in the world (non muslim country).
3. Muslims in india made fronts & organized more than the hindus to establish sharia & islamic studies.
4. Muslims campaign heavily in halal based food indefinately trying to put out hindu enterprises out of business.

They just denied everything without a single proof to back their statement in the first place.

Do you think think war mongers are going to negotiate when they are in power. The fate of Hindus would be the same as in pakistan many years ago.

Tell a muslim friend this & watch how he responds:

1. Is islam created by god, the final religion & god is all mighthy?

2. If its from god, then let god handle it, have you lost faith in god that all mighthy cant handle a simple thing?

The smart ones will follow, the rest will be lost.

The final question is Do you want Islam or Freedom?

Since India was created, lots of good value has come of it. There are things I dont care for too much, like the caste system and untouchability. But, India has produced people like Shankara and the Mahabarata and the upanishads. The 'Gita', and jillions of 'holy men', including those who can do 'magical tricks', like Sai Baba, called 'Avatar'.
The creation of Pakistan was a mistake. Islam cant produce an 'Avatar', so to be relevant it needs to produce weapons, and to keep revelance, Allah created jihad. As Bukhari said, :"By Jihad Islam is propagated and made superior. By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position. Their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, and Muslim rule and authority vanish".
Muslims need jihad because they are incapable of creating much of 'value' so they 'take/steal' it by force/jihad. 'loot is good and lawful'.

Bukhari: By abandoning Jihad Islam is destroyed and Muslims fall into an inferior position.

And there is the key...and the lock. Islam is 'locked' into jihad. No reformer is going to convince muslims to give up jihad when doing so clearly destroys them. They have to give up thier 'superiority' complexes. They have to 'lose their honor'...oh no, not that...You can expect India to act civilized most of the time. Muslims never, it's hard for them to muster much honor, so when they get any, they have to kill people to retain it...Pakistan was a mistake...

Welcome to geopolitics, friends. The tinpot dictator is friend and ally of the strongest man on earth! The ISI has already destabilised Nepal, and the Maoists are gaining in the heartland of India, north to south. When did the Manmo-Ham-Singh and Sonia axis become powerful enough to stand up to armstwisting by the Cold War gang in support of friend and ally: Rice, Boucher et al? Watch the cabinet reshuffle, see how the Hindus are being sidelined constantly, as Antony and Oscar Fernandes sidle in, into the seats of power.

But in the end, it is the people of India, its majority opinion, represented by a strong and balanced Armed Forces, backed by a patriotic bureaucracy that have stood up to its political quislings in times of crises and emergencies.

And the Indian Muslims, they are different--the majority of them who are educated, and also others who are very patriotic, have mainly turned their back on Islamic jihad! But the ISI plans that of the 150 million Indian muslims, if they can enlist just 1% of the riffraff in the cause of jihad, the uneducated, the alienated, the brainwashable commodity -- to be hired as mercenaries of jihad, it is curtains for India! That is what they think, not having learnt anything from all the adventurism that led to the break up of Pakistan. The end is near, the writing is on the wall for friend and ally, but they are not used to reading even that much of the truth. All they can read is the Koran and its unending evil!

Remember 1965, how the US friend and ally of whatshisname Ayub Khan, had to pressurise India not to publicly display in the streets of India the cache of American Patton tanks captured in toto by the Indian army? Or Kargil, where 250 dead Pakistani soldiers and officers life buried on the Indian side of the LOC, because the Military dictator cannot publicly accept that it was his soldiers, and not the riffraff mujahideen who were involved in an undeclared war against India!

And don't forget the dozen or so mutilated bodies of Indian soldiers returned by Pakistan in contravention of the international laws of civilised warfare! The forensic reports said they had been tortured to the extent of having their genitals chopped off while they were alive! Then too, it was Western pressure and false media propaganda that was brought to bear on the responsible and balanced, democratic Indian nation, not to squish friend and ally like he deserved!

If you remember the Panchatantra story of the frog who boasted before the bull that he was bigger and stronger, in all his puffery (as friend and ally of the strongest man on earth), until he simply burst into bits and pieces... this is Pakistan for you today.

The western media has believed for the last four decades at least that Muslims are better people as allies than Hindus, and that India and puny Pakistan can be put on par in the Indian Ocean, not recognising that it was the might of the CIA, fully backed by its government that made it seem so! This would have continued, had it not been for the stupidity of 9/11. The jihadi ISI frog that bankrolled 9/11 is bursting at its seams now, but there will have to be another quantum 9/11 before the friend and ally will be stamped into the earth by the combined might of the US and Israel. In any case, it is imploding under its own internal contradictions. Until then, India will continue to take care of its own!

But don't play up to the western galleries when westerners taunt Hindus for taking it all in peace! At such times, all I can say is, "Forgive them Oh Lord, for they know not the villainy of their own policymakers in the Indian subcontinent!" Hindus are sure and confident enough at this point not to give in to mindless provocation, unlike the jihadi riffraff. Even then, the ordinary decent folk among the Westerners have always sympathised with India, and now the battlelines are being even more unmistakably drawn in human blood, increasingly of the allies and friends also, like the NATO forces in Afghanistan, who are now saying the same things as India has officially announced over the past decade to a deaf western world.

So, Condy and Boucher and Burns and Bush and all are asking India to continue talking with Pakistan. But very soon, they will have to start talking with Iran and North Korea, the way the wind is blowing. Sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander, when Islamic jihad rules.

The present Congress Government is totally toothless. Indian citizens must be wondering why on earth they pay taxes and maintain a military if it is never going to be used.

Pakistan must clearly be told that any further terrorist attack will be treated as an act of war and India will empty all its military arsenal on them. India has to bite the bullet and inflict real damage at some point, instituting joint committee's will serve no purpose. And its not difficult; the 1971 war where 93000 Pakis surrendered showed that despite their bravado, they are very poor fighters. The Paki generals are happy to let illiterate idiots blow themselves up but will come to their senses if the war is taken to them.

It's the same old story everywhere. We, the non-muslim world, have always had the means to fight Islam but not the will. The muslim world has, on the contrary, always had the will but just lacked the means to fight us. The longer we (and by we, I mean the collective "we" which includes all non-muslims) keep trying to appease those fighting under the banner of Islam, the more surely the muslim world will develop the means to destroy us.

India is a prime example of how not to deal with Islam. Despite having suffered tremendously over the centuries under Islamic rule, despite having half their nation given over to the muslims at the time of independence from British rule just in order to appease muslims, despite having been attacked repeatedly after independence by the Islamic republic of Pakistan... the Indian nation keeps follwing the same old mantra of appeasement. What does it matter what the USA or Britain or any other country tells India to do? India has to, once and for all, attack Pakistan with all its might because not doing so will mean eventual defeat for it. Yes, it will be a deadly war, but to think that there is any other way out is foolish. Such a move would also help the rest of the World combat Islam in the long run.

I got doubt , suppose i am a muslim jihadi , and i kill lots of kaffirs and then die , then i go to heaven , its about time i get my virgins (i do no the exact no. ),wht if all the virgins happen to be men , i have nothing against gays but iam not one , but since muslims themselves r against gays so lets suppose all of the virgins happen to be female (thank u god ) but here come anoher question wht if all of them happen to be very old , i mean the kind of peps who r on death bed and not young like early 20's , then wht .

Tiger - I think you're asking the wrong question. The question shouldn't be about the virgins... what age, gender or what not.

The question should be: why am I given the things I want in this world only at my death? What kind of a sick person would command me to separate myself from the beauty of women my whole life on earth only to give me 72 to constantly fuck in paradise? What kind of sense is that? What kind of a sick person would tell me wine is haram when it flows like rivers if I kill or be killed in the cause?

You are being controlled in this life - denied the beauty of life - so that you easily give it up for the promise of what has been denied to you.

Free yourself - it's all a prison of the mind to control you.

It sure must be nice having a sizable fifth column of Muslims in India.

I've just begun working with a young Hindu who's rather political. I realized that when he said, "of course Europe is finished."

Anyway, he insists that India is at least 35% Moslem, and that our notion of a proper census certainly does not apply to Moslem households in India, into which infidels are very seldom granted admission.

Also, he reports, there are millions of Moslem bastard children living on the streets, uncounted except at the mosque, where they go to work.

This last bit is unsurprising, given that Islam is the most anti-family ideology in world history, except maybe for Marxism.

A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
Good comment. Not just the 72 permanent virgins, but the old Arabs could calculate upto 100, so they also added 28 'pearls', meaning young boys to enjoy in paradise! --This latter not being restricted to paradise, as borne out by the reality in Muslim countries and esp. in the madrassas, a matter of public record in Pakistan. That is how they cultivate the enraged suicide bombers. And then, there are the 10,000 slaves, since slavery is so important to Islam. What all this implies is that only the Mullahs get to go to the Muslim paradise, while all others are in bondage to abiding slavery. The Muslim psyche, soul, intellect, mind are all gendered entities to eternity, as ordained by their Allah.

Alarmed Pig Farmer:
Hinduism doesn't proscribe pig flesh, and pepperoni pizza is the current favourite at all the Pizza Huts and the Smokin' Joes etc. Villagers go hunting with their WWII carbines for wild boar and rabbit :( in the jungles, and then its a village feast! Muhammad Ali Jinna, the founder of Pakistan, while practicing law in London and Mumbai, was an avid pork-eater!

There's a vast range of Muslim minorities in India, including those who pride themselves on having been converted (under pressure) as Brahmins en masse, from western-central India. They continue their cultural practices of yore in common with the Hindus, don't eat beef, and look askance at the 'Muslims' just like the Hindus (Dawoodi Bohras of Gujarat, MP and Mumbai). The followers of the Aga Khan are considered Muslim only by the Hindus, and they don't even observe the fasts during Ramzan. There's many other Muslim minorities like that in India. Then there's the hardcore Sunni Muslims, but even among them the majority don't eat beef out of genuine aversion (being forcibly converted Hindus), and on many occasions we pray together. Their children especially, want to participate with others in the Durga, Ganesh and Diwali festivals, more and more, praying most unislamically to the polytheist idols and dancing to the music on the streets in the public processions!

Hindus are not really alarmed (only armed in readiness should jihadi filth come visiting once again in real earnest) about the Muslims in their midst. This is because there is no sharp cultural split as is evident in the west, and long-standing conventions have ensured continual give-and-take between different population groups that smoothens the rough edges in times of crisis.

It is not understood that oppressive Islamic rule was finished in India long before the arrival of the Europeans, with hundreds of fortified Hindu States from the north to south having encircled and demolished the jihadi advance in their midst! It started with Shivaji, the first Hindu rebel king to rise against the Moghuls of the north and the Irani Adilshah of the south or the Gujarati Sultan in the west. His brave example was followed by others, including the Sikhs and Rajputs. The British left these royal Hindu territories throughout India untouched until the independence of India in 1947. Even the Muslim-majority Kashmir was ruled over by a Hindu King at the time! It is a big Marxist mistorian lie to say that India was under unified Islamic rule at any time in the past. And Pakistan, right from its inception through the bloodiest British partition in history, is based on outright falsification of history, as is the case with Islam everywhere!

This is why there were long lines of Muslims donating blood to Hindu victims of the train bombings in Mumbai, and also of the local Hindus for the Muslim victims in Malegaon! It is this seamless fabric of authentic tolerance and acceptance of mutual difference that the devilish Pakistani jihadis want to destroy. But understand this: If they couldn't conquer India in the 7th century, or Islamise it under the rule of magnificent Islam through its various Moghuls and Nizams and Sultans for centuries, they will not succeed now. This is because the freedom of Hindu faith beyond ritual and dogma is the life's blood of its people, and it is better not to provoke the seemingly docile and gentle elephant! At that level, the jihadis or their appeasers will not even have time to see what happened to themselves once the Hindu tsunami hits them.

This is in fact what they are really afraid of, the Pakistani generals, with the Mad Cow disease affecting their opium-addled power-crazed brains. If this sounds like a terrible mixed metaphor, you gotta experience the ground-level reality to understand how sick they are. You are welcome to such friends and allies; which is why I agree with your Hindu friend one hundred percent, that Europe is finished. But not America.

Believe me, I love America, and wish you well, despite the worst efforts of the CIA and sundry hoods stuck up to their necks in the Cold War era Paki blackmail manure of their own making!

pagandkapitat

Not good enough. If Bohras, Ismailias and others are genuinely pro-Indian, they need to convert to any of the following religions:

• Hinduism;
  
• Sikhism;
  
• Buddhism;
  
• Jainism;
  
• Zoroastrianism;
  
• Christianity;
  
• Judaism
  

In the past, they might have pleaded ignorance about the real legacy of Mohammed and the real mission statement of Islam, but with the Arab dawa now on, they need to recognize those facts and explicitly dissociate themselves from Islam in deed and name. There is nothing forcing them, once they convert, to be devout practitioners, but they would be denying Muslims their political clout. Besides, if they are, as you are saying, celebrating Diwali and Durga Puja with gusto, they are already guilty of disbelief. (How does one celebrate Durga Puja or Ganesh Chaturthi without the puja - just touring the pandals?)

I also disagree with your/APF's friend's assessment that there are 350m Muslims (even if one were to count illegal immigrants from Bangladesh), or that they are by any means benign. I'm also sick of the party line above that 7/11 was all Fuckistan's doing - not only did the plotters operate from Bangladesh, but SIMI - the largest Islamic organization in India - was directly involved in those attacks. India's Muslims serve as a fifth column, as ISLAMSFORLOSERS rightly noted above, which serves as a front for the Jihad - after all, they are Jihadis. Had India's Muslims been as patriotic as you claim, India wouldn't have had a terrorist problem - be it Ayodhya, Delhi Diwali, Varanasi, Mumbai or anywhere else. I'm just relieved that this Puja season went off without a major incident.

The real reason for all this pandering and appeasement is not just to keep Muslim vote banks intact, but to prevent Hindus from seeing what is happening, and uniting behind any anti-Islamic party. And I'm not sure that even the Shiv Sena is that anymore, while the VHP - the sole party that hasn't bought into this new pro-Muslim line of the RSS - isn't a political party as the BJP is.

Infidel Pride: You are jumping to conclusions about where I come from. Yes, I do read the news reports and blogs, but I also mix with the Muslims with my ears to the ground, and I don't suffer from the mindfuck about jihad. The battle lines are very clearly drawn in blood by now. I don't believe that Muslims are 35% of the population, although in some states they are a frightening 40% or more, and that is where they demand separate states once again. I don't think any politicians can be trusted as of now, and perhaps they are all on the takings from Dubai or subject to blackmail after Dubai hijinks in the last decade or so, and hence traitors in essence and substance.

I don't think killing all Muslims will solve any problem in the long term. But I do envisage a point when the closet moderates will convert en masse. The time is nearer than you think, for I get to hear their private opinions, even as I witness them prostrating themselves before the idols at private pujas in the presence of the Brahmin priests. Yes, they do the puja. The minority Muslims read the writing on the wall in the event of Wahhabi jihad, and any doubt on that score has been laid to rest with the recent killings of Shia pilgrims in Iraq. The Dawoodis and Ismailis pray to the portraits of their community leaders, and the former group do their namaz only three times daily, like the Brahmin sandhya. This is obviously a blasphemous act in the eyes of the Sunnis. Neither the Sunnis nor the Khojas/Dawoodis consider the latter groups Muslims. The Dawoodis especially follow more Brahmin dietary practices, and even British conventions than they do the Islamic, and being international traders, these practices have percolated to their villages also. Both these groups are highly educated, wealthy and well-integrated in India. Their mosques and community halls are totally separate from other Muslim groups. The Dawoodis are mainly from Gujarat, and so far as I know from my friends in the community, they were wholly untouched by the post-Godhra violence. There are other well-assimilated groups like the Bahais etc.

Right now we are in the midst of history in the making, but I think Islam is about to implode upon itself, through the crazed acts of the fanatics, and that is when the wise captives will choose to quit the religion of infamy and terror. By the way, one important thing is that most Muslims have not read the Koran or the Hadiths, and the Prophet they are willing to die for is in the image of Sai Baba of Shirdi rather than the camel driver psychopath of reality! Once they get to know the truth of Islam, its facts in its own writings, they will be as shocked as you and I. Perhaps more. We are getting there now, and it will be interesting to see what happens. This is why the Saudi funds have made inroads into the worldwide media, to muzzle it effectively to prevent the truth being realised. Also, I think Makkah is past its times of glory. That should be the real turning point for all the reconversions to happen as they must.

But don't underestimate the Hindu resolve to defeat the jihad come what may. There's no Prithviraj Chauhans any longer; Shivaji cured us of that noblesse oblige long ago. And these newer, trained devotees (of ashrams across the length and breadth of India) will consign the traitors to the dung heap of history. Either we live and breathe as free Hindus for all times to come, or we all die. There's no other option! Once again, Bankim Chandra's vision of Vande Matram is beginning to manifest before our eyes.

But to touch upon the issue raised by you, I think mainstream Indian politicians (Hindus, majority Brahmins) are primarily to blame for the terrorism in our midst, while not condoning those who give shelter to them. For more than the last 10 years it was known that the Dawood-ISI network was extending inland, into Khair smuggling, and networking with Veerappan and also with the Naxalites, supplying them with arms and explosives. Secondly, the politicians and their sons especially, including Hindutva panderers, have been milking the gulf connection to glory, while making territorial adjustments with the Dawood company for example, in the matter of ransom collections from the shopkeepers in Mumbai. This has gone on while Saudi funds went to refurbish Afzal Khan's grave on Pratapgad, in contravention of ASI rules of the government of India. Then again, think of the Muslims doing mass namaz in the precincts of the Taj Mahal, in the kabristan, without facing Makkah! What does Islam have to do with that?

A politician like Abu Asim Azmi newly arriving in Mumbai from UP, brazenly exploits the terror connections to advantage. IN YOUR FACE, while Jyoti Basu of West Bengal demands that Maharashtra be declared a terrorist state because of Malegaon blasts, even before the police have completed their investigations!

I am not worried about the Muslims so much, because they can be contained at any time, but it is these politicians that may sell India down the drain. Also the media, which is mostly peopled by outright traitors.

Without shielding or justifying the acts of the jihadis, (and I am instead confident that they can be neutralised at any point inspite of interference from the media and the politicians), I would like to know what prescription you have for the sell-out politicians, beginning with Sonia and the PM, down to the Thackerays and Mahajans of today!

Infidel Pride: I think Senator (or is he a Congressman?) Tancredo spoke out of line, but the scenario he envisioned is a matter of hardnosed policy. Let even one dirty bomb explode somewhere, US, UK, Europe, Israel or India, and it will be the end of the religion of satan and strife on earth! From nucleus to periphery. That will be the time to shoot the apologists and rights folk in cold blood to save humanity from the depradations of the sadists and the psychopaths!

pagandkapitat:..."Or Kargil, where 250 dead Pakistani soldiers and officers life buried on the Indian side of the LOC, because the Military dictator cannot publicly accept that it was his soldiers.."

Are complete idiots running India? Are the Indians soft in the head? Or plain demented?

Why have they buried this garbage in India?
Aren't they supposed to cremate them?

And as a good measure, they ought to soak up the garbage in pig blood before burning it.

"Are complete idiots running India? Are the Indians soft in the head? Or plain demented?"

Dunk state the obvious; it is called zimmitude.

On the other hand, this being the army, it might have been a trifle more realistic. This is the highest battlefield on earth, up in the Himalayas, where lard is difficult to come by even for ordinary fuel. The bodies must be lying somewhere in the permafrost, ready to be dug out in case the Security Council or the Dictator General demands proof. Unless the 'buried' is military euphemism for shot in the back and tossed over the silver cliffs!

Looks as though the Hindus were created only for extinction.

This sound pessimistic thinking, but then, the Hindus have never shown the will to fight back any invader, let alone the Islamic ones.

Even against the British, the Hindus used "non-violence". I think the British left India (divided) only because they didn't care much for a foolish country.