Shi'ites will never support Sunnis and vice versa, right? Right? The Palestinian struggle is simply nationalist, right? Right?
"Imam Khomeini's influence on Palestinian resistance undeniable, says political analyst," from the Islamic Republic News Agency:
Imam Khomeini's gret influence on supporters of the Palestinian resistance movement can be gleaned from his designation of the last Friday of the month of Ramadan as World Qods Day, reported an Iranian daily quoting a Palestinian thinker on Thursday.
Qods is the Islamic name for Jerusalem. It means the Holy Place or Holy City.
The English-language daily Tehran Times, quoting political scientist Hassan Nurani, said the influence of the late Imam Khomeini and the Islamic Revolution on the Palestinian cause is very obvious.The ideas of Imam Khomeini reinforced the Palestinians' determination to liberate their homeland and led to the formation of the Islamic Jihad movement of Palestine, he underlined.
The participation of people all over the world in annual Qods day rallies demonstrates very clearly that the occupation of Palestine is not only the concern of the Palestinian nation but the whole Islamic World, Dr Nurani said.
In 1979, the founder of the Islamic Republic, the late Imam Khomeini, designated the last Friday of the holy fasting month of Ramadan as World Qods Day and called on Muslims worldwide to stage rallies to voice support for the liberation of holy Qods from Israeli occupation forces.
Israel's invasion of Palestine is in fact an "invasion against humanity," Nurani commented.
"The invasion is a violation of the national and religious rights of the Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims. In the same way, it is a violation of human rights," the political analyst stated.
Nurani said the threats against Masjid al-Aqsa are not new.
"But with support from the United States and Britain the Zionists claim that their holy shrine (Temple of Solomon) is located in that place and they want to rebuild it," he said.
"I do not think there would be an easy peaceful solution to this problem because the Zionists insist on their claims and declare Qods to be their eternal capital," added the Palestinian expert.
This suggests that Jewish claims to Jerusalem are trumped-up, while Muslims have a stronger claim. Of course, reality is just the opposite. But the brazen assertion of falsehoods is nothing new for the Islamic Republic News Agency.
Israel's invasion of Palestine is in fact an "invasion against humanity," Nurani commented.
(Ok, here is a great point to bring up)/sarc on
"But with support from the United States and Britain the Zionists claim that their holy shrine (Temple of Solomon) is located in that place and they want to rebuild it," he said.
I love to just be patient and read alot anymore...If you are patient ,you can have others tell you things or admit things that they normally wouldn't say. What I mean is that if you were to ask this man who said these statements, Ok so what is under you holy shrine;the Dome of the Rock?? Pause for a minute and watch the sweat bead up and drip off his brow, umm ,duh, next question please. If Isreal has a holy shrine and it is under your mosque, doesn't that mean that Isreal was there first and not Palestine? By this time I'm sure he is already walking out the door wondering what an Infedel is doing with a mind of his own and asking such outrageous questions.
Seaside702
I'm sorry, I just need to critique some more on his statement of:
"I do not think there would be an easy peaceful solution to this problem because the Zionists insist on their claims and declare Qods(Jerusalem) to be their eternal capital," added the Palestinian expert.
So if I had a house and property and went to another area in my property to build some more only to return to my original house(temple) and see that someone has demolished it and built their house on top of it...In your eyes and theology it makes it your property now because you built something on it? Come on do you really think then Isreal is in the wrong for wanting it's land back? How about we just airlift a new temple in and drop it on the Dome? There would be a peaceful way to do it, well, until everyone wakes up and notices it doesn't look like Kansas anymore Toto.
Seaside702
A perfect match- Satan Khomeini's drivel and the eternal victim Palestinians. Truly a match made in hell.
I'm A Nut Job screeches that Israel has no business existing where it is-he says it should be moved to the US. I have a better idea-let him move "Palestine" (that mythical paradise) to Iran.
Then the grateful Palestinians can give thanks right at the place of Satan Khomeini's demented rantings.
History will prove that Khomeini deserves a place at the same table with the likes of Stalin and Hitler and Mao for sheer insanity and brutality and inspiration for bloodthirsty action. (Mo gets his own table,being Allah's prophet. He should stand alone from these mere mortals).
The wrong lesson to draw from this is that there is nothing important dividing Sunni and Shi'a. There is, and there has been, for 1350 years, and because of Sunni persecution and murder of Shi'a, Shi'a resentment has grown. Through assorted accidents, the Shi'a in Iran and Iraq, while hardly sharing the same views on everything, do share an interest on protecting themselves from being attacked by, or subjugated within, Sunni Arab states.
What the story above illustrates is what we already knew: that the Shi'a of Iran are not, pace Gerecht and other admirers of Sistani and "the Shi'a" at My Weekly Standard, less fervent in their opposition to the sliver of a state controlled by Infidels -- Israel -- and anti-Infidel fervor, the Islamic Republic of Iran feels, can be used to win the allegiance not of the Sunni Arab rulers, who are suspicious of their atttentions, but of the Sunni Arab ruled.
And not only that. Like Muslims generally among non-Muslims in Europe, the Shi'a have been outbreeding the Sunni Arabs in both Iraq (where they were a few decades ago less than half the population, but now constitute 60-65%) and in Lebanon (where the Shi'a now constitute the largest of Lebanon's many groups, with 40% of the population). It is hardly unknown for Sunnis to convert to Shi'a Islam, and recently, apparently out of admiration for the determination and seeming effectiveness of the Islamic Republic of Iran both in its nuclear project, and in its championing of the "Palestinian" cause (the Lesser Jihad against Israel), there have been cases of such conversion. This must worry the Ruler of Bahrain; it must worry the Sunnis in Lebanon; it must worry the Saudi government and especially those in charge of the Province of Al-Hasa.
But of course even if the Shi'a of Iran are supporting the largely Sunni "Palestinians" that does not mean that they have made up with, or ever could, with the Sunnis whose theology is different, and whose history is full of anti-Shi'a wars and persecutions.
When it is a matter directly involving Infidels, then Sunni-Shi'a differences do not matter. But when the Infidels can choose to remove themselves, as they could in Iraq, the split between Sunni and Shi'a could be allowed to flourish. Now Israel cannot "remove" itself and should not be forced to, but rather, supported to the hilt in the moral, intellectual, and civilizational interests, its very sense of itself and of its own coherence, by every member of the Western world, and by every Christian in the non-Western world. But in Iraq those Infidel soldiers can and should remove themselves, not out of any desire to placate or appease, or to "cut and run" as the teasing first-graders like to say, but in order to allow the natural divisions within Islam to become still stronger, and to create a permanent fault line between Shi'a and Sunni that will cause tensions, hostilities, expenditures of men, money, materiel by, and also require constant attention from, both the Islamic Republic of Iran and such malevolent Sunni states as Saudi Arabia.
There is at least one event that demonstrates clearly that Muslims, being Muslims, will always assume that in the end it is better to trust fellow Muslims than any kind of Infidel. That event took place during the Gulf War. Saddam Hussein was afraid of the Americans bombing his airforce. What did he do? The leader of a country that had attacked, unprovoked, a neighboring Muslim country, Iran, and who hod conducted an eight-year war against that same country, Iran, that had just ended three years before, nonetheless chose to move as many of his planes as he safely could, to Iran. He chose, that is, to trust the Iranians, even after that eight-year-war, with 80 or more of his planes. He calculated that the Islamic Republic of Iran, much as it might hate him and Iraq, would see the need to help out fellow Muslims.
It turned out he was wrong to have such faith. The Iranians never returned the planes. In this act of touching and misplaced faith, Saddam Hussein showed how deep, even for someone as suspicious as he was, is pan-Muslim loyalty or the sense that in a pinch, a fellow Muslim state not temporarily co-opted by the Infidels (Saudi Arabia, with its rented lackeys Egypt, and Jordan all supported the American effort against Iraq in 1990-91 because they feared that if he successfully digested Kuwait, he might then move on Saudi Arabia -- this "alliance" was misinterpreted in Washington as one of "staunch Arab allies standing with America in fighting aggression against brave little Kuwait").
And Saddam Hussein's trust in fellow-Muslim Iran was akin to the trust shown by his great model, the man he admired most, Joseph Stalin, when Stalin had Molotov sign the pact with Ribbentrop. And though a master of malevolent deceit himself, Stalin was genuinely surprised, genuinely chagrinned, when Hitler, ignoring the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact, invaded Russia in June 1941. Why, he had counted on a fellow mass-murderer and totalitarian to have some loyalties to at least another mass-murder and totalitarian. Something of the same seemed to have passed through Saddam Hussein's perfervid and agitated brain before and during the Gulf War.
And in both cases, the dictators in question were wrong.
One thing that always makes me laugh is when these idiots speak of "holy Qods". If the Israelis are as monstrous as these basket cases claim wouldn't it stand to reason that they would have reduced the place to rubble long ago and would have rebuilt their Temple? What a laughable and contemptible bunch.
@Seaside702
"If Isreal has a holy shrine and it is under your mosque, doesn't that mean that Isreal was there first and not Palestine?"
Ah, but the deceitful Jews called what they built there a temple, when what was actually there was a mosque. You see, allah instructed them to build a mosque, but filthy conniving bastards that they were, the Jews built the mosque but called it a temple instead. Doncha know, habiibi?
It's like what the Jews did to the Bible. They changed all the words of the Five Books of Moses (which originally were in Arabic and talked about Mecca and Allah) to talk about Jerusalem and Yahweh.
It all makes perfect sense. 2+2=5. Welcome to izlam.
Ynkedoodle2-
Isn't also true that Islam predates the Big Bang and that the universe was created when Allah farted?
Might as well give them credit for all things created, just like in the heyday of Radio Moscow.
Hugh's superb post implies the next question: what is it that deters Western commentators from taking Islam seriously? See what ridiculous lengths they've gone to, to find explanations for Muslim behavior that don't include religion. They try explanations such as a) The atrocities Muslims have committed are due to despair over discrimination, poverty, deracination, envy of Western technological superiority (even though many of the criminals are well-to-do and educated); and b) Modern jihadism is really fascism (even though jihadist ideology predated fascism by over a millennium).
Most Western commentators don't explain jihadism accurately because they themselves don't take religion seriously--and that goes also for the ostensibly religious liberal Christians and Jews. Their outlook goes back to the nineteenth century, when Ludwig Feuerbach and then Karl Marx "explained" religion as displaced discontent with this world. Marx looked forward to the time when the material conditions that caused people to invent God had disappeared, and religion would disappear with those conditions.
Our current commentators are unwitting disciples of Feuerbach and Marx; fundamentally materialists, they can't grasp the religious fervor of believers in God. By no coincidence, they link the twisted version of theism manifested by Islam with the truer Christian and Jewish versions, which they ridicule as "fundamentalism."
IF I am not mistaken, Palestine has served as the link between Shia and Sunni sects of Islam. And that would explain why it is always at the forefront of the jihadist movement. I read in fact that the PA was behind the Mullah revolution in Iran in the 1970s! And Yasser Arafat was a member of the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood. So there is something going on behind closed doors that we need to know more about with regards to Palestine.
Islamsforlosers: A mosque was unearthed at hazor, israel during the 1950s by archaeologists which proved to be at least 3000 years old. What it does show is that baal, the moon god, and allah are one and the same and probably originated in the Mesopotamian region more than 4000 years ago (hence the crescent moon symbol used by Islam today).
Perhaps the most bizarre statement concerns Israel's "invasion of Palestine" being likened to its 'invading the rest of humanity'. Hugo Chavez would relish that remark....
Palestine has always been part of Israel. It is not possible for a country to invade itself.
Strange.
Islamsforlosers: A mosque was unearthed at hazor, israel during the 1950s by archaeologists which proved to be at least 3000 years old. What it does show is that baal, the moon god, and allah are one and the same and probably originated in the Mesopotamian region more than 4000 years ago (hence the crescent moon symbol used by Islam today).
Posted by: pythagoras at October 19, 2006 02:04 PM
Interesting. I always wondered what the scoop was on Allah being called a moongod. I'll bet those dreadful Zionists are keeping that mosque in good shape. I also bet that any ancient Jewish sites that were uncovered in the lands of Islam by Islamaniacs were promptly reburied and/or destroyed.
Stay tuned , the late khomeini's influence will be tested greatly over the coming weeks. Keep watching Israel, followers of islam, for they are calling to their pact with god, to end this matter , once and for all.
There is still time for the followers of islam to change their ways, but it is growing short.
considering there never was a Palestinian befor the arabs dreamed it up its not suprizing they came up there fanticy arabs have allways been good lieing to themselfs and getting the left wing to belive them