Occupation, occupation everywhere. Jammu and Kashmir Jihad Update. "Jihad only means to liberate Kashmir: Hizb," from IRNA, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
Leaders of the Hizbul Mujahideen have said that jihad is the only means to liberate Kashmir from Indian occupation.The commander of the organization, according to Dawn newspaper, while addressing a Jihad Paigham conference here on Saturday, criticized the policies of Pakistan President Gen Pervez Musharraf and said that due to his Kashmir policy the cause of Kashmir had received a setback.
The conference was addressed by senior Provincial Minister Sirajul Haq, Vice-Emir of Hizbul Mujahideen Abdul Wasai, Provincial President Abdul Malik, MPA Muzzafar Said and Amir Jamaat-i-Islami, director, Muohammad Gulab.
The speakers urged the people to come forward and fully support the Kashmir liberation movement.
They said that the liberation movement was in its final stages and only a little push would force the Indian occupational forces to leave the area.
Islam: Coming soon to a conflict near you. Why bother with tedious notions of "rule of law" when you can attack, destroy, rape, pillage, and murder indiscriminately for Allah's favor?
Spread by the sword for 1400 years and counting.
Any land not owned by islam is 'occupied.' Didn't ya'll know that?
"Jihad only means to liberate Kashmir"
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Hmm... the Nazi's came to "liberate," as did the Soviets.
...enough said.
Peace.
If memory serves right, Kashmir has been under a jihadic siege since 1948, when Pakistanis attacked and overran a large part of it. The jihad intensified after the soviets left Afghanistan in 1989.
It seems to me that the Kashmiri muslims who are shias, have to be out of their minds to even think of getting out of liberal, well-off India and become part of a bankrupt, sunni Pakistan. But the ways of islam are beyond human reason.
Kashmir was a Hindu land usurped by the muslims. Indians are well justified in claiming it as their own land. If Kashmir must be handed over to the muslims, it should be after all muslims in India are taken by Pakistan. Muslims can't have their cake and eat it too, all the time, all over the world.
Assalamau Laikum all,
Dunk said "Muslims can't have their cake and eat it too, all the time, all over the world".
Muhd SAW was in muddled quandry in his early years of islam...when things were not going well for him. He went to his favourite cave and asked Allah SWT for direction.
So he was shown a map of the flat earth by the angel gibreel. He was told that the muslim lands must be to the east, west, south and north. In other words dar-al-islam is fit for the whole world and don't let anyone else tell you any different....are you listening dunk!
The only nub of the question that remains then is HOW dar-al-Islam must get to Allah's stated objective. I advocate the peaceful demographic method...while many of these misdirected lunds prefer Jihad. I am hoping that the infedel has enough firepower to nip these lunds in the bud leaving peaceful demographic dawa the only way forward.
This has to be the only realistic way to meet Allah's flat earth objective. Peoples, when you convert please become an Ahmadi...this WILL lead the world to peace in the real sense of the word....ta!
Ta, Naseem.
Have a nice day. Thank you for sharing...
Hi Naseem,
Correct me if im wrong, I met a few Ahmadyn Muslims & they impresed me, not like the other muslims i met. I would like to hear your views.
1. Both Ahmadians & others believe that the world must be occupied by muslims, just that ahmadians believe in doing it by hook.
2. From point (1), how does it become a peaceful plan? People are still going to reject it & they will fight for their land.
3. Both want Jizya from non muslims or ahem. I understand the end game is to get mostly everyone a muslim to fight the enemy & soon, every1 will be muslims & jizya will be abolished.
Does it mean, the enemy are those that are not muslims? & the Jizya & humilation are just to encourage us to become muslims?
4. If we Non-Muslims dont want to surrender our land to muslims in any way. Would you take it by force by economic or any means?
5. What do you think will happen to Ahmadians when everyone becomes a muslim & Ahmadians are a small population of the Islamic society?
Thanks in advance.
Dear Naseem.
One more thing,
In Malaysia for instance, One cannot convert to Ahmadian to become a muslim.
Its only 1 form of Mazhab here, why is this so?
Assalamau Laikum Tj,
YOu say "People are still going to reject it,(islam)& they will fight for their land".
This should only be in the short term. What we will find is that in the slightly longer term as the number of muslims/wuslims grow in society, governments will start to show a bias towards Islamic ways of living. The kafur will not want to be disadvantaged so they will eargely want to convert too. While in places like Indonesia you cannot today be an Ahmadi...this will not so for Eurabia and the ISA. That is what I am banking on ...that those who convert will become Ahmadi...it is a win-win situation. The Kafur does not embark to vile sunni policies...but Islam still dominates.
As to those who prefer not to convert ...they will live peacefully but have dhimmi status. They are important to keep the engine of society running....like the economy and engineering plants ...leaving us Ahmadis in the West more time to pray to Allah....I hope this clears up any little misunderstaning and apprehension ....there is no need to worry!
Dear Naseem,
Thank you for your thoughts. This is precisely what I worry about. & its not about being a Dhimmi.
I worry that Muslims want non muslims to obey their law what so ever. Many are not muslim & they cant obey a muslim law. Plain & Simple.
I was thought from the hindu scriptures about the Cycle of life. This life is the Kali-Yuga, meaning to say, the age of bad stuff.
It was written that many signs of this & some of them are:
1. prophets that use god as a reason personal gains, the result of this will be smnall constant wars to dominate the land.
2. people will sell holy books.
3. these people will spread their idealogy and war by hook or by crook world wide, leaving a small number of people to defend themselves from threats & humiliation.
4. the small group of people will unite/transform & fight the oppressors resulting many many people dead.
5. The cycle continues when the war ends & the age of god will return.
... alot more
So, from my limitted knowledge, this text is over 3500 years before islam.
The hindus are already guilty for starting the Kali-Yuga, thats why many of us learn from mistakes. The date of this to happen is still a long way.
So, tell me Naseem, do you trust the Hindu scriptures?
I would be worried in the long term indeed.
"The kafur will not want to be disadvantaged so they will eargely want to convert too. While in places like Indonesia you cannot today be an Ahmadi...this will not so for Eurabia and the ISA. That is what I am banking on ...that those who convert will become Ahmadi...it is a win-win situation"
Naseem:
Your delusions of grandeur are stunning. If the "ISA" is some veiled reference to the Islamic States of America you truly are delusional. I think you need a psych eval? This will never, ever happen for so many reasons. Especially, by means of amicable or peaceful takover. I don't know if you're very familiar with American history, but in fact it was settled by people seeking freedom from Christian religious oppression in Europe. So if you think Americans are going to peaceably let their country, thus espousing of their individual freedoms, be taken away by a bunch of 9th Century, backwards, irrational, death wanting, oppressive muslims; you've got another thing coming.
Oh yah and don't forget that pesky 2nd Amendment to the Constitution we Americans embrace and enjoy so much. No such takeover is remotely possible with the majority of 300 million Americans legally possessing firearms.
"Give me liberty or give me death"
-Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775
Naseem, I agree with everything YankeeinNederland said.
In additon to posting here, writing my newspapers and political representitives, sending warning articles to most email addresses I have and writing a novel overtly critical of Islam and Mohammed that I will publish one way or the other I have also bought some additional firearms and have been practicing again.
You'll never see anything remotely like the Ramadan riots in the United States. Should the muslim/wuslims set off a large destructive weapon in the United States again that will be the end of peaceful da'wa and conquest through indirect means as well. And probably the United States will strike out like you haven't seen before.
Naseem, your country's days under Musharraf are limited. When your fellow muslims finally kill him be prepared for invasion. I doubt if the pathetic military in your country will be able to keep the power. If they can't you should expect the United States and India to come in and occupy while they dismantle the dangerous nuclear weapons.
Kashmir cannot be liberated as long as India has nukes. Period.
I found a link for the Patrick Henry speech. It is truly relevant to what the U.S. and the rest of the West are facing today in 2006. An inspired speech. I wish we had politicians today who engendered the same courage and moral clarity as the Founding Fathers did. How long will we have to wait...
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/writings/libertyordeath.htm
Kashmir was a Hindu land usurped by the muslims.
Only in the sense that it was ruled by a Hindu maharaja, who acceded to India under the terms of the India Independence Act 1947. The people, on the other hand, were and are predominantly Muslim. The areas now governed by Pakistan are about 99% Muslim, and those now governed by India are about 70% Muslim. (In 1941, about 15% of the total population was Hindu.)
Interestingly, the situation in Kashmir was almost a mirror image of that in Hyderabad, a predominantly Hindu state ruled by a Muslim nizam. Despite the refusal of the nizam to accede to India, Nehru invaded and conquered Hyderabad, on the grounds that the nizam was unrepresentative of its Hindu population. India was unwilling to apply that principle to Kashmir, however. Since 1947, Pakistan has been calling for a plebiscite to determine whether the population of Kashmir really wants to be part of India or of Pakistan, but India has never permitted one to be held.
Good thing Pakistan said it quit aiding this jihad, right?
Why didn't India kick out all its Muslims when India and Pakistan were partitioned? This problem would have been much more manageable, and I can't believe that such an action wouldn't have been popular among India's Hindu population. The Muslims in Kashmir are basically holding its non-Muslim population hostage, preventing any action by the Indian military. Since the past can't be changed, a withdrawal ala Israel and Gaza would give India maneuvering room unfettered by concern of Kashmir's remaining Hindus and Christians.
Naseem,
Yankee and Plague are right. Guess what this Yankee American woman did last week? She signed up for shooting lessons, purchased a gun and joined the NRA. My friends are doing the same.
There will be no peaceful takeover in America by Islam, Naseem. You can count on it.
Americaningermany:
Thanks! I'm also joining the local Gun Club so I can go and use the shooting range when I want. Fortunately the state I live in is quite liberal about gun ownership.
I don't know what the gun laws are like in Europe, except that it's more difficult to purchase and own them, isn't it? When all hell breaks loose in Europe, most of its civilians will be unarmed and unprotected. And they can't rely on their own governments to protect them... look at how their politicians have sold them down the river now?
ElderlyZionist:
Yamamoto was right. Ever more so now than ever before.
Right Admiral Yamamoto, an enemy may not be able to invade the United States... but these days they are able to pay an illegal Mexican immigrant $1,000 USD to carry a few suitcases over the Texas border filled with abut 15 kilos of weaponized plague. A couple of suitcases for some illegal person to bring over. No one will notice.
They can buy the plague dust off old bases & research stations that Biopreparat ( Soviet bio weapons dept. ) had in Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan. At the height of Soviet production Biopreparat was making 1,500 metric tonnes of weaponized Plague bacterium per year. Some of it is probably still viable today.
The goal really isn't to conquer the United States in 2007. That's not attainable. But a seriously damaged United States will scare the hell out of the Dutch, French, Swedes and British...the threat would be "we'll do it to you like we did the big, bad Amerikei"
The reason I'm practicing is not to repel an invasion. It's to be ready when we have a situation like New Orleans post-Katrina. I have to protect & defend my family until order is restored. If I should see something on the order of the Paris Riots of 2005 or worse, I'll be ready. If they make the mistake of coming into my place to take advantage of the disorder to secure booty or women... I'll kill them with Kindness – that’s the name of my Mossberg M590A1... loaded with #1 and #0 buckshot.
If that doesn't work I'll have other options. I won't hesitate.
Dear atheling,
I went over to your site and saw the model 642... good choice. You'll want to practice a lot. I went out with my brother-in-law this weekend. He's a cop and has a couple of .40 call S&W semiautomatics. I missed at 10 yards pretty consistently.
Practice. It doesnt' do you any good if you miss.
Gun control is hitting what you aim at...
I've got some work to do.
Hi Plague,
Yes, you're right, my main reason is home defense in the case of a Hurricane Katrina scenario.
However, further along down the road, if we do face a disaster like an invasion by enemies, I'll be ready for that too.
Yes. Practice. Lots of practice.
Seamus
I think bajirao was talking about how Kashmir was forcibly converted to Islam in the 14th (?) century. He wasn't talking about the ground situation in 1947.
Besides, the 70% of Kashmir is Muslim is only statistically true, but geographically, Ladakh is mainly Buddhist, Jammu is mainly Hindu, and there was a sizable Hindu population in Panun Kashmir - that's now fled to the rest of India. So if this were to be solved the way you seem to be suggesting, then areas of the state that are non-Muslim should be explicitly excluded from any such transfer to Pakistan. Of course, I'm against giving any Islamic country any extra territory, for precisely the reasons Naseem so honestly spells out above.
Back to the 'liberate' term, which as some posters above noted, was used by the Nazis and Soviets to imply conquest, the Islamic meaning of the term 'liberate' means to terminate the rule of (Infidel) man, and substitute it with the rule of Allah.
"They are important to keep the engine of society running....like the economy and engineering plants ...leaving us Ahmadis in the West more time to pray to Allah."
-Naseem at October 9, 2006 08:24 AM
A zoologist could not have written a better description of the behavior of a parasite.
Like some blood-bloated, lyme disease-carrying tick.
In her post, Naseem has used the word 'lund'
In hindi, this means penis
I dont waste sympathy on Ahmedis
The Ahmedis murdered several Arya Samaj preachers who were reconverting muslims back to hinduism, such as Lek Ram
The Ahmedis, the shias the Aga Khanis were all heavily involved in the Pakistan movement
The Ahmedis started feeling the heat only in 1953
Seamus, India holding kashmir is a trade for not kicking out the Indian muslims
Kashmir is 70% muslim
Out of this 10% are shias who dont want to join Pakistan