"Kyrgyz secret services have decided to establish total control over the activity of Islamic clergy" -- because they know that the clergy fuels the jihad. Western authorities, meanwhile, persist in ignoring this fact. From AxisGlobe, with thanks to A Girl Scout:
Kyrgyz secret services have decided to establish total control over the activity of Islamic clergy. According to operational data, clerics are getting more and more actively involved in the radical organizations, including filling supervising positions there. Similar situation is especially dangerous as «the Kyrgyz pattern» might be in the long term demanded in the scale of the entire Central Asia...Total espionage plan
The National Security Service (SNB) of Kyrgyzstan has developed a special plan on strengthening the control over the republic’s Islamic clergy. This was told by a high-ranking source in the diplomatic department of one of the Central Asian region countries. According to his information, the plan contains a list of actions directed to activation of gathering of data on current activity and external contacts of the Islamic clerics.
The paramount attention in this document is paid to the following aspects of activity of the clergy:
- Content of appearances in mosques, in the lessons in religious educational institutions, and during informal meetings with the believers;
- Content of the religious literature, audio and video materials distributed by clerics;
- Structure of visitors of mosques, in particular their ethnic belonging and political views. Special interest is represented with possible contacts of clerics with the activists of the illegal Islamic fundamentalist organizations, especially of the Jihadist persuasion;
- Participation of clerics in private business, first of all, in partnership with foreign businessmen, in particular from the Arab countries, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and Britain;
- Personality of the foreign sponsors allocating donations to concrete clerics;
- Foreign trips of clerics, both on religious and commercial motives.
First of all it concerns those clerics who from the end of the 1990s - the beginning of the 2000s more than one to three times had gone abroad behind the CIS borders.The following categories of the Islamic clergy are representing heightened interest for the SNB:
- Persons who have arrived from Uzbekistan since the first half of the 1990s, and even more those who have arrived within the last six to eight years;
- Natives of Kyrgyzstan of Uzbek and Uighur origin, living or having earlier lived in the southern part of the republic, especially in the urban centers of Osh, Jalalabad and Batken areas;
- Persons younger than 35 years of age, having received religious education of Islamic clergy outside the CIS after proclamation of the state independence, especially in such countries as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan and Egypt;
- Persons combining duties of cleric with private business, especially those who have continuous contacts with the foreign partners.
The plan is developed and will be realized with an active assistance of secret services of Uzbekistan and Russia. It is aimed not only at revealing the secret supporters of the fundamentalist movement in the environment of the Islamic clergy. In opinion of the SNB analysts, such clerics play far not the last role in the activity of the organizations of radical trend. It is determined by the fact that they have continuous contacts with many believers and the legal right to conducting religious propagation. Moreover, by experience of the Middle East countries (in particular Palestine and Jordan), and also other republics of Central Asia (especially Uzbekistan), attendants of mosques and teachers of Islamic educational institutions may privately participate in the medium and the highest level of leadership of the fundamentalist movement. While other prominent members of the organizations of similar trend are compelled to operate in the conditions of conspiracy, clerics are public figures.
At last, one government adept at profiling. Profiling correctly holds that Islam is synonymous with violence.
Finally, a model for the West to adopt. Will it have the backbone to do so?
I cannot wait to hear the bleeding hearts crying out over this infringement of human rights.
Kidnap the leader and put him in charge of both the republicans and the tories.
This is a start, but they should also go in to the madrassas and do a clean sweep there. Get to some of the root of the problem.
We should be doing this here also. The clerics in America should feel as if the authorities are breathing down their necks. They don't have to go searching for them, just read the papers to see where islamic criminals go to mosques.
Cue the UN's Human Rights Council in three, two, one...
RACISM! ISLAMOPHOBIA!
And Darfur?
(crickets)
We should send some FBI agents to Kyrgyzstan ... for training classes. ( FBI getting training )
This should be a good model for all Infidel countries to adopt...Europe, US, India, Australia...is anyone out there? Hello! Are you listening?
I understand SA, and Egypt keep a pretty good handle on the blatherings of these clerics and mullahs. Hmm, and where was it again that those educated, mostly affluent pilotes ...those 9/11 devotees of Allah come?
Strict, secular governments; preferably run by non-Muslim Western countries or an organization thereof, need to govern all dominate Muslim countries with an iron hand.
Governments in the ME, particularly Saudi Arabia, that pointedly reject any public display of Islam -- even more strengently than Turkey, is the only way I can see any Islamic threat diminsihed.
Sure it be messy and violent but otherwise a veritable bloodbath, and nuclear holocoust are invitable.
Uhmmm, I tried to verify this story by clicking on the, "AxisGlobe" link and was unable to connect. (Server Not Found error)
Anyone know what's up with that?
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/
Kyrgyzstan is run by ex commies. They know the only way you beat totalitarian Islam is with totalitarian secret police. Saddam did the same. Stalin and Tito kept their Muslims stifled. Chinese rulers are ruthless with their Western province Muslims
We can learn a lesson
CIA FACTBOOK
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/kg.html
Kyrgyzstan is a poor, mountainous country with a predominantly agricultural economy. Cotton, tobacco, wool, and meat are the main agricultural products, although only tobacco and cotton are exported in any quantity. Industrial exports include gold, mercury, uranium, natural gas, and electricity. Kyrgyzstan has been progressive in carrying out market reforms, such as an improved regulatory system and land reform. Kyrgyzstan was the first CIS country to be accepted into the World Trade Organization. Much of the government's stock in enterprises has been sold. Drops in production had been severe after the breakup of the Soviet Union in December 1991, but by mid-1995, production began to recover and exports began to increase. Kyrgyzstan has distinguished itself by adopting relatively liberal economic policies. The drop in output at the Kumtor gold mine sparked a 0.5% decline in GDP in 2002, but GDP growth bounced back in 2003-05. The government has made steady strides in controlling its substantial fiscal deficit and reduced the deficit to 1% of GDP in 2005. The government and international financial institutions have been engaged in a comprehensive medium-term poverty reduction and economic growth strategy, and in 2005 agreed to pursue much-needed tax reform. Progress fighting corruption, further restructuring of domestic industry, and success in attracting foreign investment are keys to future growth.
Doctor Bulldog,
Here's a link that just worked for me.
http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=1049
Malinois
The paramount attention in this document is paid to the following aspects of activity of the clergy:
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- Content of the religious literature, audio and video materials distributed by clerics;
The root of all Islamic terror, hatred, genocide, misogyny, murder, etc. is simply the Qur'an and its accompanying ahadith, and Sunna. Without banning (or at least editing-out the violent and supremist aspects of these "war manuals", the 800 lb. gorilla will remain in the room. All the other efforts against Islamist Jihad are just "window dressing" if the root is not eradicated. However, I applaud the Kyrgyg's attempt to fight back, no matter how ineffectual the results may ultimately be, it's still more than the West is currently doing.
Hrm, but not one word of US presence there. I know for a fact that a contingent of US troops (Air Force) is there. I don't know how many or if there is a presence of other branches of the services there as well. The daughter of a friend was just recently sent there. I wish the best for her and her friends/compatriots.
This can be done VERY easily and within the current legal structure in the U.S.A.
All that would have to be done is apply the current IRS restrictions that are in place against the Christian churches participating in the political process and apply it to the mosques and madrasses.
Sharia and elements require political backing. A successful and equal application of the tax-exempt laws would remove their tax-exempt status once the FBI, IRS and other govt agencies get up to speed regarding translating verbal arabic.
Once it is established via empirical evidence gathered from the surveillance tapes, A case can be made regarding subversive activity and administrative deportations via ICE can begin.
I guess I'm the only one who thinks this is a bad idea, to set up a huge bureacracy to spy on Muslims in the West. Unless you spy on every one of them every moment of every day, you're going to miss something. The ones who carry out the attack will have no criminal record, they will be clean cut, maybe even from a European background, and will not do anything to stand out in the mosque. Instead of watching them as they prepare to attack us, how about just getting rid of the threat? If the decadence and corruption of Western society offends them, then there are plenty of glorious Islamic republics for them to live in and enjoy the full benefits of sharia back in their countries of origin. Those who do not (or cannot, due to religious reasons) accept democracy, tolerance, freedom, equality, etc. do not have any place living in a democracy. A democratic republic is not for everyone. It is a responsibility, and it requires dedication to make it work. Just because they like the wealth of our society (which is a result of our values), that doesn't mean they have the right to come here and replace our values with sharia by whatever method (violence, political pressure, demographics). You either accept democracy, or you don't get in the door. That's not "genocide", that's not cruel; to each their own, live and let live.
dennisw said
From Stalin, Tito, Saddam, Mao? WTF?!? Why are we turning our backs on Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, and the rest of the Founding Fathers? Do you think they couldn't handle a threat to the democratic republic they created? Do you think they would lie down and let it be destroyed, or that they would transform it into a totalitarian state to "save" it?
They knew about the threat of Islam, they fought against the violence of Islam.
People, please think about what you're saying. Think about the values this country was built on. Think about why those values are worth fighting for. Don't let Islam destroy that, and don't let Islam trick us into destroying it ourselves.
special_guest
Kyrghizstan had a coup last year in which they removed their president, and have become more democratic and prosperous since. Don't judge them by their history - by that logic, Poland and Hungary are still totalitarian regimes. Also last year, after some riots in the Ferghana region of Uzbegistan, in Andijon (birthplace of the Moghul emperor Babur), a lot of Jihadis broke jail and fled there. So it's only logical that Kyrghizstan is now cracking down on Jihadis. Btw, majority of Kyrghiz are Muslims, so they obviously can't spy on even most of them. Essentially, they are cracking down on Imams, so that Kyrghiz remain Muslims in name only.
Most of the Turkestan countries - Uzbegistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrghizstan and Turkmenistan - have so far successfully suppressed Islam - Uzbegistan at the barrel of a gun, Kazakhstan using their huge Russian population, and Turkmenistan in the way Turkey used to - by having the cult of Turkmanbashi loom over the country. Some of them have been befriending Israel in order to be friends with the US, and have little in common with the ummah. (In fact, in Turkmenistan, Iranian refugees have been converting to Christianity.) A far more impressive record than Azerbaijan - which has been Islamizing like Turkey and Tajikistan - which has been tuning in to Radio Teheran for inspiration.
Only thing I'd fault these countries for is membership in the OIC. They should declare themselves non-Islamic countries, ban Islam and withdraw from that organization.
Infidel Pride said
A coup that made them more democratic? Well, okay.
D'oh! I still don't think the U.S. needs to look to Kyrghizstan for guidance on how to run a society. We've got enough examples from our own relatively short history.
I'm glad that they are taking the steps they think will stop the jihadists. But just because the former Soviet member decides that the answer is to set up a Soviet-style spy apparatus, that doesn't mean it's right for us. There are other, non-Soviet, ways to solve the problem, that's all I'm saying.
"Participation of clerics in private business, first of all, in partnership with foreign businessmen, in particular from the arab countries, pakistan, iran, turkey, and BRITAIN?" Did anyone aside from me pick up on this? It must be a type-o.