Bad dhimmi, Pofalla! Everyone knows the main cause of religious-motivated violence is...fundamentalist Christians! Why, just yesterday I was passing by one on a street in Chicago, and he held out a gospel tract to me and said, "Please read this, brother. It could change your life. And if you don't read it, I'll hack your head off with a dull butter knife." Well, of course I read it.
From Expatica, with thanks to all who sent this in:
BERLIN - The secretary general of Chancellor Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU) came under fire from a Muslim group Sunday for saying Islam was the main cause of religious-motivated violence."It is certainly painful for many Muslims to witness their religion being exploited for violence," Ronald Pofalla wrote in the newspaper Bild am Sonntag.
But there were many Muslims who could be incited, he added. "The problem of religiously-motivated violence today is almost exclusively a problem of Islam," Pofalla said.
The Central Council of Muslims in Germany accused the CDU politician of dealing in stereotypes and stoking up prejudices with his remarks.
"Such statements are incompatible with a democratic and enlightened society," said the council's general secretary, Aiman Mazyek.
And Mazyek, your statements are incompatible with reality. I'll take Pofalla's.
Hugh wrote:
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Mazyek, your statements are incompatible with reality.
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Hugh YOU are TOO funny!! The situation is actually way too sad for joking, but I am glad to see people are keeping their good humor in this grim and dreadful situation.
Remember.. the enemy has NO humor whatsoever!
Surely you have all seen the crowds of muslims demonstrating outside Saudi embassies around the world, demanding free speech for Christians in Saudi Arabia? Or heard the loud muslim cries of protest over islamic suicide-bombers killing Jewish children in Israel? Or the many statements from islamic "representatives" condemning muslim threats to kill the pope? Or muslim anger at the disgraceful way violence was thretened to seek to silence Danish cartoonists or German opera singers? With all that healthy islamic protest against muslim extremism, surely Ronald Pofalla must be wrong???
Or - perhaps none of us have seen any of these things, which is why so many of us mistrust the ideology that is islam.
"Such statements are incompatible with a democratic and enlightened society," said the council's general secretary, Aiman Mazyek.
What is wrong with the TRUTH? The Truth will set you free. The Truth is compatible with a democratic and enlightened society. Or do you consider the the various moslema societies democratic and enlightened? What a joke.
Did you see or hear about the TURKs today and their hijacking. Your response is just yet another example of duplicity--tacquiyeh or whatever you want to call it. Nobody is buying it. Go home and clean up your own house. Oh excuse me they are already clean.
Without doubt, moslemas are the leading cause of violence in the world today which was structured into your religion from the very first. Your reaction is not worthy of consideration--only legal and military action. moslemas RAUSS!
Once again we see how a Council of Muslims attempts to stifle free speech:
"Such statements are incompatible with a democratic and enlightened society," said the council's general secretary, Aiman Mazyek.
Well, Mazyek is the one who is unenlightened here because he is the one who does not understand the meaning of democracy and living in an enlightened society.
We have been hijacked by the PC crowd who have been putting forth the tired notion that one must not do or say anything that contradicts a Muslim. According to the PC way it is ok to offend Christians, but one must never do anything that will cause pretend offense to a Muslim. Otherwise you will be subjected to yet another three year old style tantrum.
In my view, Muslims need to grow up and start having a more mature outlook. They need to come into the 21st century by first divorcing religion and politics.
I am a Catholic and proud to be one I might add. I do know that in the past the leaders of the Catholic Church have made some fundamental blunders. One such blunder was allowing a blurring of church and state. When Rome was still in the hands of the emperors there was no blurring of the powers of church and state. However, when the Roman empire began to crumble, there was no replacement government structure, and so churchmen began to take over the role of civil authority. The civil power of the Pope remained in tact until the period of the Reformation when Rome's powers were challenged by the princes of Europe. Regardless of the rights and wrongs from the historical point of view as far as the Church was concerned, in the long run I believe that it was a good thing to see the separation of the powers of Church and State.
I need to digress a little further here, because in ancient Rome there was no separation of church and state prior to Constantine embracing Christianity. The people of the Roman empire were expected to embrace the religion of the emperor. If the emperor believed that he was a good, and that the people had to worship him, then those who refused to worship him or his statues deserved to die. That was the way of a pagan people. Is there a ring of familiarity here? I do think that the Muslims show that they have not progressed from the society that existed in excess of 1300 years ago.
However, what is really at stake here is yet another attempt to shut down all discussion, and a refusal to look inwardly at the causes of the real problems facing Muslims today. They need to start the process of reformation within Islam. Unless they look at their silly rules, and make the decision that such rules are not going to change their relationship with God, then they will continue to feel the mistrust that so many now feel towards them and their intentions (good or otherwise).
I say that Pofalla should not back down from his criticism of Muslims, and that westerners should finally grow what is necessary not to be eunuchs and tell these bullies to go back to Pakistan or wherever they originated in the first place.
Is it a stereotype to say that almost all Africans are black? Probably not, so why is it a stereotype to say that almost all religious violence is perpetrated by Muslims? It's not a stereotype.
I also love the word "prejudice" because it's yet another poor, innocent word that's been hijacked, raped and murdered by multicultists. "Prejudice" is as meaningful as "nnggrherwsf." Most of the things Muslims and multicultists say are insubstantial and meaningless in general.
Apparently Mr. Mazyek has a strange concept of a modern, enlightened society: people cannot speak the truth if somebody is offended, popular beliefs and dogmas should never be questioned, and people are not obligated to back up their inane ramblings with any sort of evidence. Yes, that sure is enlightened. In other news, Sokrates is currently spinning in his grave, and is unavailable for comment.
almost begs the term ... "spiritually disabled"
Off-topic: I think the link to Dhimmi Watch should be more prominent, because it's 50% of the site, after all. Right now it just looks like some relatively minor feature among other relatively minor features.
The truth seems to get them right where it hurts.....the brain.
I liked your answer, Robert.
And, Obelisk1, is it just me or I have missed all those denunciations by Muslims?
Oh wait, I get it. There have been no denunciations - and never will be. They are, after all, the head-chopping "victims".
Once again,the truth hurts. I guess it never occurs to people like Mazyek that wherever there's religious strife in the world more often than not it's Islam that's the common denominator.
Every statistic I have seen for the past few decades backs this up as the truth and nothing excessive in making the point. Be it Hunnington's data or any of a number of polls taken in the Muslim countries. And other than the Tamil Tigers, what of the terrorist attacks in the past few decades?
Hardly qualifying as a "stereotype."
I know I harp on it too much, but do not give up on the Europeans yet; specifically the Germans. There is a significant chunk of the population that does have a clue. I hear more of these straight shooting comments from some German politicians and state government officials (especially Bayern) than I hear over here.
I know I harp on it too much, but do not give up on the Europeans yet; specifically the Germans. There is a significant chunk of the population that does have a clue. I hear more of these straight shooting comments from some German politicians and state government officials (especially Bayern) than I hear over here.
Posted by: amana39 at October 3, 2006 07:51 PM
I hope so. If the Germans can break free of that French embrace that has turned this once staunch US ally into a shadow of its former self so much the better. Germany and Britain can hopefully drag the rest of Europe out of its PC induced trance and take its rightful place in fighting Islamania rather than succumbing to it. All of Europe's people deserve better than what their politicians have been giving them lately.
Keep telling the truth.
At a certain point the rage of these mobots becomes risible.
Islam becomes just wild idiocy - these fools (and their 72 virgins) who never emerge from adolescence.
Grow up you idiot freaks. You too Ibrahim.
"The problem of religiously-motivated violence today is almost exclusively a problem of Islam."
It is not possible for anyone with any concern for political discourse to say that the statement is false.
Other statements are mere opinion, even if well founded. For example, "Most everyone would be better off if these people were removed from Western society"; or "Islam is a social evil."
The statement on violence is irrefutable.
It is certainly painful for many Muslims to witness their religion being exploited for violence.
What! This is just the kind of pro-Islamic apologetics doggerel that should make Moslems bow their heads in public, and slap toothy high fives in the mosque.
Never enough for these people. Never enough. And that's the 7th Pillar of Islam.
when someone who says "muslims are the cause for the majority of proboems" then you get this stupid muslim saying "But there were many Muslims who could be incited,", goes to prove the point that islam is the cause of most violence.. muslims just keep doing violence... have you ever heard of a peace march by muslims in th middle east that does not have burning and pillaging?
Islamic ideology incorporates violence into its core doctrine. Anyone who has read the Kuran, Hadiths, Sura even partially can witness the fanaticism, hate and call to commit murder against the infidels inherent in Islam for themselves. This is the ideology that the Islamosphere is built on and it is the same ideology that led to 9-11 and Islamic-propagated violence everywhere.
What the "Islam is being exploited for violence " crowd (of which Pofalla is a good example) fail to realize is that Islam itself IS violence. We've heard all the apologists' claims before, of course: "Islam is being hijacked" "it's just a small percentage of Muslims," blah, blah, blah.
Yet the jihad violence multiplies virtually everywhere Islam has been allowed in. In the meantime politicians like Pofalla who haven't bothered to investigate Islamic beliefs continue mouthing cliches that at this point are dangerously misleading and inexcusable. Muslims commit violence because the Kuran has told them to. Nothing can change that and citizens of the western democracies must know why the violence is happening (instead of being given stupid excuses by lame politicians).
Islam is NOT being hijacked by extremists. Islam hijacks the extremists. Maybe someday the world will understand and appreciate this fact.
Im shocked and taken aback, yet another euro pol stating the obvious about islam. What the...?
There may be hope yet for the fair continent, lets just hope they manage to stem the tide in time. If enough brave people continue to stand up, it will happen.
To celebrate Pofalla's couragous voice of reason, Im going to eat a pork chop in his honor.
"It is certainly painful for many Muslims
to witness their religion being exploited for
violence," Ronald Pofalla wrote in the
newspaper Bild am Sonntag.
I sincerely doubt that. While I understand that
there may be 100 "Muslims" (In Name Only) who
find it painful, it is clearly supposed to mean
that some significant fraction of Muslims find
Muslim violence painful. Anyone believe that?
Pofalla still has a LONG ways to go. Muslims
are a lying fifth column that we'd be better off
removing from our nations BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
Islamic ideology incorporates violence into its core doctrine.
Gotta disagree here. Violence is the very predicate of Islam. Violence was not incorporated into Islam, is its very basis. It's right there in surah 1, The Opening. Plain as day.
"Such statements are incompatible with a democratic and enlightened society," said the council's general secretary, Aiman Mazyek.
nah mate, people are waking up ;)
It reads good when the general secretary of a political party attempts to "shoot straight", but it has very much to do with the polls and the lost regional elections last week. After all, the troop (CDU) of Merkel sunk in the polls to a new record low, whilst the socialists cleaned up at all the regional elections and now rules almost all district offices. (the socialists (SPD) commanding overwhelmingliy the muslim + immigrant vote, easy to do when giving so many dhimmi-promises of further "integration" and several million Euros for the construction of new mosques)
The Duisburg mosque (still under construction) has been awarded 3,2 mio. in tax-money!, by the almost broke SPD-government of Northrhine-Westphalia...
APF: I see absolutely NO difference between what I posted and your "correction."
Splitting hairs is a waste of time. Which you undoubtedly know.
Maybe you need to take a break from your keypad and get a cup of coffee or something.