Muslims must both denounce, renounce their violent hadiths

A few days ago I received an acrimonious email from a prominent moderate Muslim spokesman, accusing me of "shameless lies" for reporting that Muhammad married his daughter-in-law. Of course, this incident is referred to obliquely in the Qur'an (33:37), as well as in the hadith collection of Bukhari, the writings of the historian Tabari, and the Qur'an commentary Tafsir al-Jalalayn, among other sources.

When I noted this, the spokesman called me an idiotic liar and heaped scorn on my invoking Tabari, whom he claimed was unreliable. He didn't say anything about Bukhari or Tafsir al-Jalalayn. Nor did he address the fact that apologists like Karen Armstrong and Muhammad Husayn Haykal, as well as Maxime Rodinson and the Muslim convert Martin Lings and others also, use Tabari in their books about Muhammad. Haykal takes for granted that the daughter-in-law incident took place, and comes up with various apologetic explanations for it.

I intend to write more about this, but did not want to name this individual or quote his emails without permission, so I have asked him for that permission. Meanwhile, he has informed me that he is working on a piece attacking me and my work, which once it appears of course will give me a chance to craft a full reply.

But I wanted to mention this curious incident now because it is indicative of a tendency: regular readers of Jihad Watch will recognize the familiar denial, the familiar indignation, the familiar charges of ignorance and ill will. These have become the dispiritingly common ways in which all too many Muslim spokesmen respond to those who merely point out various aspects of Islamic tradition that make them uncomfortable. Instead of working in constructive ways for reform, they prefer to demonize and vilify those who, like me, bring such material to light -- as if I really did make up the incident in which Muhammad married his daughter-in-law and somehow, through my black Zionist arts, made millions of Muslims believe it.

That's why it was refreshing to read "Speakout: Muslims must both denounce, renounce their violent hadiths," by Dr. Tawfik Hamid in the Rocky Mountain News (thanks to Skip). For quoting the same hadith he quotes in this piece and noting the same thing he notes about it -- that jihadists today take it seriously -- I have been called a hatemonger, a liar, an ignoramus, the spawn of the devil himself. Of course, Hamid leaves the Qur'an untouched, and there is plenty in that book that also must be examined critically if Islamic violence is ever to be mitigated, but his honesty about the hadith is refreshing, and sorely needed.

Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaida's No. 2 man, leader, last month announced that Americans must choose: Convert to Islam or continue to receive acts of terror.

Al-Zawahri was reiterating a fundamental concept of Salafi Islamic teaching, the fountainhead of extremist thinking. Yet the authors of the American government's recent intelligence report on terrorism's spread seem not to have been listening.

Zawahri's threat is based on a saying of the Prophet Muhammad as written in Sahih Al-Buchary [Bukhari], a central book of Salafi Islamic teaching. This hadith, or fundamental concept, states: "I have been ordered by Allah to fight and kill all mankind until they say, 'No God except Allah and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah' (Hadith Sahih)."

Based on this hadith, early Muslims used the sword to spread Islam throughout the world. The same hadith inspires contemporary Islamic terror including this summer's thwarted London airplane explosions. Other rationales that terrorists use to justify terrorism - the Arab-Israeli conflict, America's involvement in Iraq - are simply useful propaganda cover stories, not the actual causes or goals of terrorists' actions.

Americans must be wary of political leaders who accept the propaganda explanations. To win the war on terror, America's leaders must recognize the powerful role of the Islamic religious principle of jihad, Islam's belief that it must conquer the world, which derives from the above hadith. Belief in jihad is what causes so many Muslims worldwide to cheer terrorist acts such as 9/11, European subway bombings, and Hezbollah and Hamas attacks against Israel....

Unfortunately, however, the vast majority of Muslims, Islamic organizations and Islamic scholars have not publicly objected to these teachings. There have been no powerful Muslim demonstrations to denounce Osama bin Laden and not a single fatwa by top Islamic scholars or organizations to consider bin Laden an apostate - as was done to Salman Rushdie just for writing a novel.

Because the teachings continue, a significant proportion of the world's Muslims have become passive terrorists, peaceful citizens whose sympathy in their hearts and support with their purses enable terrorism's spread.

If Islamic scholars and organizations in America disapprove of jihadist teachings, they must speak out against them. Americans should consider Muslims to be moderates, and Islam a peaceful faith, only if, in English and in Arabic, Muslims clearly denounce their violent hadiths and strike them from the books that educate their next generation.

In addition to internal immune reactions, externally applied interventions also can destroy cancer cells. Like cancer-fighting chemotherapy, strongly applied military might can reduce large tumors. America eliminated al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan, but the verdict is not yet in on whether Israel this past summer similarly decimated Hezbollah.

To conquer the metastases of extremist Islam, however, words may be the most potent weapons. Outspoken condemnation of the theological sources of terrorism by American intellectuals and politicians, reinforcing the self-examination of Muslims themselves, could make a vital difference.

Well, Dr. Hamid, you'll be glad to know that that is exactly what I have been doing -- publicly for five years now. As noted above, many, if not most, of your coreligionists have not taken kindly to it. I remember when I published my first book, I assumed that some thoughtful Muslim would deal with the questions I raised in it in the spirit in which they were offered, and map out a path by which the violent elements of Islamic teaching could be mitigated. Today I am no longer so naive.

Addressing the theological wellsprings of Islamic terrorist motivation is essential if America is to succeed in its war against terrorism. Pope Benedict XVI has begun leading the way. Neither political correctness nor Muslim outrage must be allowed to prevent further realistic talk about the religious underpinnings of Islamic violence. Otherwise Islamic teaching will continue to spread jihad's cancerous beliefs.
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As if I really did make up the incident in which Muhammad married his daughter-in-law and somehow, through my black Zionist arts, made millions of Muslims believe it.

Are you saying that you didn't? I was kind of anticipating a Black Zionist Magic instruction manual from you (The Art of Black Zionist Magic: How Robert Spencer Fooled the Muslim World).

The essential question is, how representative are the views of Dr. Tawfik Hamid? Perhaps there is there some silent majority (or minority) of Muslims who do not accept the violent intolerance expressed so loudly. We need to hear more from them.

In one of the Hindu scriptures (not very authoritative one)it is written that there is no sin in killing a person filled with lust towards his daughter in law, daughter, sister or wife of brother, although it is by no means an order to kill. I do not believe in taking orders from scriptures, but I think those who (Jihadists as well as moderate muslims who would like to impose sharia on the free world) take, should note this just to remind themselves that all the values are relative and Islam is not the only view point.

A lot of discussion has gone by at JW/DW concerning the various kinds of Muslims. We have categorized them as Moderate Muslims, Cultural Muslims, and various words to describe fundamentalists and jihadists. How can Islam be reformed into a peaceful religion, or how can we convert Muslims into Quakers. To do this we must somehow see to it that the mythical moderate Muslims somehow ascend into primary leadership.

If we can identify anyone as a Moderate Muslim, then we must find out what moderation in Islam is. I can visualize a reform movement in Islam where passing sentence on an adulterer means that the death penalty is by lethal injection instead of stoning, and apostates are no longer killed but put in prison until they revert back to Islam. That is slight moderation, and there are degrees of moderation in any belief system. The New Islam I visualize allows men to wear any color clothing they desire, their trouser cuffs can cover their ankles, and women can venture into public alone, so long as they are completely covered. My Islam allows two glasses of wine per day. Mogen David and Manischewitz would still be forbidden.

Reform, how much do you want?

Let’s have Islam where women are allowed to be their own person and apostates are ignored or forgiven. Spiritual crimes such as blasphemy, adultery, and heresy are left for Allah to judge and not to be punished by man. Let’s forget this crazy idea that loan interest is sinful. The idea that men and women cannot be together in a social setting is old fashioned and we will exclude it from Pelayo’s New Islam. This wudu thing has got to go; washing with water only cleanses the physical being. Spiritual cleanliness requires a lot of work, and New Allah is only concerned with one’s soul. Furthermore, I shall decree that people of all faiths are equal in the sight of New Allah. The Imams who spread Pelayo’s Islam will teach that people are defiled by what they do, not by what they see, hear, or eat. It is not sinful to be tempted, it is sinful only when one succumbs to temptation. The new Islam, I shall call it Islam Lite. In the final analysis it is what? Sounds a little like Christianity, huh?

Islamic reform requires Muslims to either reject most of what the perfect man brought from Allah or apply the message in the context of the Twenty-First Century and understand the Quran in the context of the times it was written.That idea in Islam is Innovation, and it is has always been forbidden. Practitioners of revisionism in Islam are heretics, and are under the death sentence if found out. Some Christians, I for one, read the New Testament chapters that come after The Acts of the Apostles in the context of a struggling, sometimes persecuted minority, trying to keep the faith alive. The contents of the letters written to the Christians in Rome and in Corinth, for example, can be understood better knowing the condition of the faithful in those places. If that is considered heresy, I can rest easy knowing that most likely I will not be murdered by some knife wielding Presbyterian. However, I should probably worry about the denizens of Westboro Baptist Church.

I assure one and all that Pelayo is nobody’s messiah. How will this new Islam come about? I do not have a clue. I do know that reform will have to come from within Islam. If there were 10,000 Robert Spencers, and 10,000 Hugh Fitzgeralds, Islam still could not be reformed. The only question that is of any importance is will Islam reform peacefully or not. If logic, reason, and persuasion had any influence in Islam, after 1350 years, Islam might now have only 3,000,000 believers or fewer.

In Jesus’ lifetime how many Jews accepted Jesus’ message? How many people represent ten percent of a multitude? A centitude? If an Islamic messiah can convert half of the Muslim population to this New Islam, that leaves 650,000,000 Muslims who will follow Old Islam with all the teachings that are placing us in such great danger..

The very by-laws of Islam prevent it from being reformed. It is as if the US Constitution did not have a Article V. It is pie in the sky to believe that Islam will peacefully reform and we will all live happily ever after.

Pagan, as an Indian I'll say that Hindu scriptures are a dime a dozen, and this is because Hinduism has no one single founder, author, prophet or sage.

But I want you all to read this terrible report from British troops in Afghanistan:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=407830&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5

In one incident, the Paras were called to rescue Afghan troops and French Special Forces who had been ambushed by the Taliban.

They were flown in by Chinook helicopter, but when they landed, were stunned by what they saw. The ground was littered with the bodies of Afghan soldiers, while incoming bullets hit the helicopter.

"I could not believe we were going to charge off this helicopter into a wall of lead,' said one. "Not everyone wanted to get off. One guy actually defecated. He sat rigid with fear inside the cargo hold until we pulled him up and pointed him towards the door.

"We had to fire and manoeuvre across open ground for 200 metres. The scene was like a human abattoir. We fought off the Taliban but were too late to save the French guys. All of us were shaking when we were flown back to base. One of the Afghan survivors said the French had been tied up then gutted alive by the Taliban. It was one of the most shocking things I had ever heard."

There have been mixed reports about the Afghan National Army. However, one soldier described them as 'shockingly hard'. They have continued fighting alongside the British despite having members of their families killed by the Taliban. Some British soldiers have told their families back home that they fear they are going to die. But after the French atrocity, they say would rather be killed than captured.


Retreat from these predators will only allow them to proclaim victory, and to use their regained land as a springboard for new 9/11s. If you give these scumbags an inch, they will then use that to take a yard.

Wait for a Muslim to seriously pull out the pathetic tu quoque that "Well, Woody Allen married his daughter-in-law!"

I wonder if it now really matters to Europe what various academics think of Islam.

The average British man on the street is largely detached from theocratic debate anyway. They are mainly driven by the situation they live in, the media and the government through the media.

Danish cartoons and Pope Rage, being reinforced further by statements made by Jack Straw and David Davis are far more important to the people in the street.

Not that I am saying you have no part to play Robert, not at all. Jihad Watch as gone a long way to opening my eyes to the threat and it plays a pivotal role in informing people of the threat.

But I now believe the ball is rolling in Britain at least. The largest English language circulation newspaper today ran with the headline:

‘HOUNDED OUT’

‘A Muslim hate mob wrecked a house near riot-hit Windsor – to hound out four hero soldiers back from Afghanistan.

Vile yobs hurled bricks through windows and daubed obscenities. A message on the drive spelled out in 4ft letters: “F*** off.”

A regimental source said “it’s a disgrace.”

These actions are the things that will fuel Islam’s demise in Britain, however unpleasant it may be.

Pelayo could well be our next Hugh.

"Moderate" Moslems, who bemoan the violence of their fellows, but have glowing memories of the "beauty of Islam" of yore, should give one pause to wonder.

Can one imagine a Nazi renouncing the violence and Jew-hatred of the National Socialists (Nazis) but remembering fondly the "golden years" of Nazism. He speaks glowingly of the huge rallies in stadia where one's heart sang at the sight of massed swastika flags and the golden swastika standards carried by stalwart blond youths. His heart fondly rememebers the voices raised in the "Horst Wessel Lied."

All that he remembers now, but he denounces the claim of "Aryan supremacy" and of course the Blitzkrieg against Poland. And the Jew-baiting -hating -murdering -mass extermination he deplores. But the memories of those golden Swastikas . . . He can never get them out of his mind.

What a fricking eye-wash. Like the "moderate" Moslem, the "moderate" Nazi is an impossibility. Islam without jihad, without Moslem supremacy is just a bunch of remnant gibberish. Take "Mein Kampf" out Nazism and what is left? Take the koran out of Islam (and the hadith and other scriptures) and what've you got?

Moderate is as moderate does. And there ain't nobody doing "moderate"

(They may be talking (writing) about it, but the proof's in the doing.)

No. It all has to go. Like Nazism, it must go the way of all evil. Back to the Hell that spawned it.

"...a significant proportion of the world's Muslims have become passive terrorists, peaceful citizens whose sympathy in their hearts and support with their purses enable terrorism's spread."

"...Islamic teaching will continue to spread jihad's cancerous beliefs."

Dr. Hamid's article clearly addresses the issues of moderate Muslims not speaking out against extremism and the effect this silence has had on the continued spread of jihad ideology. He likens jihadism to a cancer that can be kept under control by the use of military might, and eventually cured by Muslim self-examination and correction of the teachings that lead to terrorism. His optimism for the future of Islam is admirable, but he fails to consider the possibility that the cancerous ideology infecting Islam might be a terminal case for the religion.

What is the prognosis for this cancer, and how much longer can the world wait for an effectual cure?

Robert said:

I remember when I published my first book, I assumed that some thoughtful Muslim would deal with the questions I raised in it in the spirit in which they were offered, and map out a path by which the violent elements of Islamic teaching could be mitigated. Today I am no longer so naive.

Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

The answer to that question is simple.

Being a Christian - I will speak for Christianity:

The two will NEVER be in agreement. Ever.

This has been a part of my message for over 15 years - 6 on the internet.

I do believe that that understanding is finally settling in.

It's too bad that bloody violence has to take place first - in order to get peoples' attention.

Bottom line is this:

The Koran preaches violence - and man can deny that fact! because the Koran is now readily available for all to read for themselves.

Same with the New Testament. There is no such thing as "Violent Christianity"

The New Testament is available for ALL to read.

No one can produce proof of violent teachings in true Christianity [The New Testament] - because none exist. Not one sentence.

This is the fact that is needed - to slaughter 'allah'

So far - not enough voices are coming forward with that Truth.

you don't have to be a Christian in pointing out such a simple truth.

The facts are laid bare.

The Koran is available to all.

So is the New Testament.

I know that there are other religions who believe in living peacefully with their neighbors.

Let them speak for themselves.

I'm a Christian.

I do believe that successfully exposing the significant differences in the teachings of the supreme authority of all of Islam [the Koran] and the Supreme Authority of all Christians [The New Testament] - is what will win this war.

Those who want Peace - are they in the majority or in the minority?

This world claims it wants peace.

Is that not so?

You be your own judge.

Now go look at the Koran - if you haven't already - and then ask yourself...

Is this the way to peace?

"Americans must be wary of political leaders who accept the propaganda explanations."

That is the crux of the matter.

To hear politicians and journalists tell it, there's a special 'lite' version of Islam for 'regular' Muslims.

Have they never wondered what differentiates Muhammad Ali's copy of the Qur'an from the one that Usama bin Laden reads?

Have they ever attempted to find out?

Do they really think that Irshad Manji reads a sanitized version of the Qur'an?

Don't they feel just the slightest bit silly in repeating the ROP mantra?

Dear Robert,

Could you please teach me these black arts? I wish to use them to create imbalance in the force. Also, to win Powerball.

Geoff

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Remember the Scripture - the next time you're passing by your local 'freindly' mosque.

The imams there are preaching these...

008.067 It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war [slay them first] until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. {Treason in all non-Muslim nations

009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

033.061 They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy. {Genocide

ALL of us will surely reap - what they are sowing

Posted by: catstrangler101....

The subtraction of violent verses and hadiths would be good, however if this causes problems with the Koranic publishers then maybe some additional verses and hadiths might need to be approved by the appropriate Islamic authorities.

Picture this - if you can...

Adding a new 11th Commandment to the 10

Can you picture that?

"No. It all has to go."

Can anyone here tell me why we would want to keep anything from Islam? It treats women like crap, it treats men like crap, it treats dogs like crap. It encourages proliferation of individual bodies but does nothing to feed those individual souls. It demands procreation but then encourages and "rewards" self destruction. It destroys anything that questions itself. The people under it's oppression live like robots, alternately praying, screwing and promoting jihad to cause more people to live like robots, praying screwing and promoting more people to live like robots. Is there anything I've described here that is appealing to anyone?

The thing I find exceptionally offensive about Islam is that the people who live this lifestyle look down on all the people who don't want to live this lifestyle. Their way of life sucks so bad and it is the height of delusion to think that anyone would want to live that way. So instead of asking people to live that way they force them to or kill them if they don't. You've got people who live the worst possible kind of life forcing other people to live the worst possible kind of life, and demanding their children live this worst kind of life. And anyone who thinks that maybe this isn't the way to live gets killed if they don't go along with it. What kind of hell are we allowing here? And as the west, have we lost our minds to not look at this for what it is and see that it is the exact opposite of what my U.S. constitution offers me.

If you could imagine your life lived in a box with a lid on it that seems to me to be exactly the epitome of living Islamic. It's not only time for us to think outside the box. It's time for us to tear the box to pieces, set it on fire and bid it farewell. And it's time for we in the west to get our heads out of our asses, stop second guessing ourselves and shout from the rooftops that we will not accept this demonic, fascistic, antithetic ideology that is completely opposed to our way of life and we will not play with the fire of political correctness that has lulled us to sleep for the past few decades and brought us to our near demise at this time.

OT, but very important, today is the 435th anniversary of the Battle of Lepanto, where the Christian forces that were unbelievably outnumbered by the Mohammadans completely destroyed the the Muslim fleet and saved Europe. We in the west always seem to do things late in the game, but if we look back at history we can see that things can be turned around and made right, once we resolve ourselves to the idea that it's fight to the death or live under that most pathetic of ideologies, Islam.

Robert in the last three years I have engaged quite a few muslims in head to head arguements (internet variety) and inevitably they pull the tactics of which you are all too familiar such as claiming that you can't speak with authority on Koranic exegesis except by learned scholars in classical Arabic, but then these same clowns quote the Qur'an in translated versions (to propigate the faith) but you "can't" argue them unless you can speak classical Arabic (which of course none of them can).

I have also had them disavow, disclaim the ahadith, or change the subject (as this bozo did with you), setting up a strawman (Tabari) which he knocked down..meanwhile down the road hundreds of thousands of other muslim scholars and judges are resorting to Tabari to render religious and judicial rulings.

Incredibly I had a rabid muslim claim that the hadith were corrupted by the Jews (and as you know they claim that the Jews corrupted the Torah/TeNACH and the Christians corrupted the Injeel (Gospel). Corrupted because that is the only excuse muslims and Mo could and can come up with to rationalize the blaring discrepancies and contradictions in the Qur'an.

This rabid muslim (a convert) vehemently asserted that the hadiths were corrupted by the Jews, further on down the line the same moron quotes hadith to bolster his case.

I have notice a lot of similarity between believers of all sorts, types, castes, faiths, qualifications and that is that they shop their sacred text for what they need to justify the beliefs that they use to bolster the policies and actions that fulfill their needs and assuage their fears.

OT but I always thought that it was the Muslims and only the muslims that believed that their holy scripture was the word of their god.. which of course is circular reasoning, the best indicator of an irrational and childish mind. (The Qur'an is the word of Allah because it says so in the Qur'an is the word of allah, ad infinitum.. as evidenced in the following dialogue:

Why do you believe in the Qur'an?
Because it is the revealed word of Allah.
How do you know that?
Because it says so in the Qur'an.

Normally I don't listen to talk radio, but yesterday I heard a number of Christians call in to a rabid, high pitched and hyperbolic "host" stating that "The Bible is the Word of God".
As a recovering Catholic I was never taught that by anyone in the church.. Is that what Fundamentalist Evangelicals believe? If so then yet more proof, that mentally and emotionally, there is little or no difference twixt the two otherwise opposed forms of right wing extremism.

catstrangler101

I think your reformative verses have merit, especially the one about Mom and apple pie.

Also, I don't think Moses would mind if they stuck this one in there somewhere:

Exodus 20:13 - Thou shalt not kill.

Dont hold your breath waiting for this "piece"."Muslims" can only prove their ignorance by attacking scripture and stepping into apostacy , they can never prove their "point".

Don't they feel just the slightest bit silly in repeating the ROP mantra?

Posted by: PRCS

I do believe - some are beginning to.

But time will tell.

Can anyone here tell me why we would want to keep anything from Islam?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader

A better question [amd more urgent] is this:

Why is America allowing mosques to be built?

The Koran CLEARLY violates the US Constitution on a level that a 10 year old can understand.

"kill all mankind"


Homer Simpson;
"must kill mankind"

OT but I always thought that it was the Muslims and only the muslims that believed that their holy scripture was the word of their god.. which of course is circular reasoning, the best indicator of an irrational and childish mind. (The Qur'an is the word of Allah because it says so in the Qur'an is the word of allah, ad infinitum.. as evidenced in the following dialogue [emph mine]

Posted by: Nariz

This is a good one!

That's the difference between the god og the Koran and the God of the Bible.

Want Proof?

Oh let me...

The God of the Bible condmened Palestine for end time - not ancient time - but end time - in the song of Moses Exd 15:14

The New Testament says that the saints 'sing' this song

Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God

Exd 15:14 The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina.

Joel and Isaiah confirm the prophecy:

Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

Jer 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north

Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God

The Koran FORGOT to mention Palestine!

The so called all powerful and knowing wizard of Islam ['allah'] FORGOT to mention Palestine?

This is how to know which God is the Real One!

Retenal Life is at stake.

Isn't Eternal Life the very reason why Muslims wrap their hole existance around bowing to allah?

he forgot to mention Palestine!

while the God of the Bible did not!

There you go

Easy proof of which way to go for inherriting Eternal Life.

Here is the abomination of desolation preparing itslef to stand where it ought not - in place of a name that came from no other - but God - Israel.

Heck - even allah meni=tions the name Israel - but not the name Palestine.

Why?

Because he didn't know that it would be so important to his own in these times.

allah doesn't know ....everything.

And Palestine fighting to be established is PROOF positive

Eternal Life it at stake.

It doesn't take a team of scholars [there's only one True Scholar - the Prophecy Teller] to figure it out

Beth,

An 11th Commandment!

Brilliant!

I'll get right on it!

catstrangler101

Good Luck.

A lost wish - but nevertheless -

knock yourself out

The God of the Bible proves Himself to be True - by Prophecy. The one about Palestine is HUGE!

The god of the Koran only '''''says so'''''

I'll take that which my own eyes are seeing.

A MAJOR Prophecy unfolding before the eyes of all!

Eternal Life?

My bet is with the God of the Bible

"I have notice a lot of similarity..."

Though naming only one presumptive one.

"...between believers of all sorts, types, castes, faiths, qualifications..."

Though not really naming any besides Catholics and Fundamentalist Evangelicals.

"...and that is that they shop their sacred text"

What, like you don't?

"...for what they need to justify the beliefs"

Feel the torque on that circular turn.

"...that they use to bolster the policies and actions that fulfill their needs and assuage their fears."

Ah, finally, we arrive at the point of the whole thing. Nariz is saying the policies and actions (of course, these would be anti-liberal policies, probably those of GWB), come first, these are paramount, because really, these RIGHT WINGERS, these fearful, needy, right-wingers, are using religious as a rouse, that's why they ignore the panoply, the totality of their fake, contradictory, sacred texts.

And so Nariz hates these religions, because why? Because they are fake facades used as props to advance the RIGHT WING agenda? And why does he hate it that some might think these texts are "the word of God"? Because it is different than what he was taught in Catholic school?

Nariz, just a couple of days back, you accused a lot of people of "alienating friends", blah, blah.

You are so massively full of shit.

"Muslims must both denounce, renounce their violent hadiths

This is nigh onto impossible. Can a Muslim renounce Mohammed? Can a Christian renounce Paul? Can a Christian renounce the Book of Revelation? Can a Christian renounce Christ? Christ preached good sermons, but he wasn't our savior?

That's too many questions, and I have no answers.

Mohammed was the Perfect Man, Ubermensch. It will require the re-evaluation of the whole idea of Islam and the re-acceptance of Mohammed as a mere messenger, a flawed man with a prediliction for young girls and conquest. Perhaps Muslims could create a phoney tradition that stipulates that the violence is Mohammed's invention and a corrupted message from Allah. Yeah, that's the ticket, make something up. That'll fix the problem. Then we can really claim that New Islam is a hijacked version of Old Islam.

Without jihad, without killing apostates, without mal-treatment of women, with the acceptance of innovation, what is Islam? Judaism?

Is there a peaceful reformation of Islam in our future? That's one question that I have an answer for - No!

Re. "The Bible is the Word of God".

See the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada's document, "Statement of Fundamental & Essential Truths".

http://www.paoc.org/

About 20 years ago, I attended a Pentecostal church for about 3 years. After I left, I did a lot of reading about cults. (I'm not saying the Pentecostal church is a cult: it doesn't fit the definition.)

One author wrote something that has stayed with me. In many religions, a person or holy book will say things that contradict other things. In a more fundamentalist religion, people are told that everything found in the holy book or said by their prophet is absolutely true. But, sometimes, if one thing is true, that automatically rules out the other thing. In order for a person to continue to believe in his religion (and there might be a lot at stake psychologically by this point), he must shut off his critical thinking and just accept everything.

I was taught (by my pastor, various evangelists and authors, etc.) that you must not think for yourself: you must "die to self" and let Jesus take over.

The Pentecostal church taught that everything was a battle between God and Satan. The devil is constantly trying to steal your soul. If you have known Jesus and then rejected him, your punishment is worse than if you had never been "saved" at all (I'm pretty sure this is in the Bible). This creates a lot of fear and anxiety: your eternal salvation is at stake.

According to what I was taught, the "end times" are always at hand. We are always in a pitched battle between good and evil.

In many ways, I can see similarities between various religious sects and cults and Islam. Muslims must not think for themselves. They are told (a la Jim Jones's followers in Guyana) that the rest of the world is at the door, ready to slaughter them because they are the chosen of Allah, the only pure ones. I believe paranoia is inculcated in Muslims.

I never met a Pentecostal Christian who believed in, or advocated, violence. In terms of spreading their way of interpreting the Bible, some of the young, "fired-up" ones would hand out pamphlets sometimes, always in a nice, friendly way. They wanted other people to be "saved" because they were genuinely afraid for their souls. And, even though their belief system involved the spiritual world, they lived and worked in the real world: they paid their taxes and obeyed the laws as much as the next person.

I was raised in the Christian church and am still a Christian although I don't attend any church (my trust in any organized religion was lost big-time). However, my former Pentecostal church-mates would consider me to be a "back-slider" whose eternal soul has been lost. (That's okay, no hard feelings, guys.)

Concerned Citizen

Take that same energy and use it to expose the actual words that came out of muhammad's mouth.

Here are a few that you can show to your family, neighbors and friends...

In the Koran
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

004.094 O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation: "Thou art none of a believer!" Therefore carefully investigate. {they are to keep their intentions hidden]

004.100 He who forsakes his home in the cause of Allah, finds in the earth Many a refuge, wide and spacious.

004.101 When ye travel - through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear '''the unbelievers''' May attack you: For '''the Unbelievers''' are unto you open enemies.

009.123 O ye who believe! fight '''the unbelievers''' who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you. [[[ when ye go abroad 004.094 - the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies 004.101 ]]]

003.028 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless it be that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking as it were security. telling lies to non-Muslims is the nature of Islam

Why do should anyone be surprised that Islamic leaders [most notably - palestinian ones] speak out both sides of their mouths? or rather - having 2 faces: One for the west and one for the east] Their allah commands it of them. Remember that the next time some muslim is patting you on the back while smiling in your face

008.067 It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war [slay them first] until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. {Treason in all non-Muslim nations

009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

033.061 They shall have a curse on them: whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy. {Genocide

008.065 O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. {which is what the imams do in their mosques [[[ when ye go abroad - the '''Unbelievers''' are unto you open enemies ]]]

004.095 Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons... those who strive and fight hath He distinguished above those who sit at home by a special reward.

002.216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing [war] which is good for you and that ye love a thing [peace] which is bad for you?

004.104 And slacken not in following up the enemy: If ye are suffering hardships, they are suffering similar hardships.

009.039 Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place. [[[ when ye go abroad - the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies ]]]

047.004 Therefore, when ye meet '''the Unbelievers''' in fight, smite at their necks. Behead them! and the Muslims are commanded to initiate the fight} 002.216 009.039 throughout the earth} 004.101 004.100

Chexk this one out...

033.052 It is not lawful for thee to marry more women after this, nor to change them for other wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess as handmaidens

They are permitted to trade back and forth between each other '''as wives''' - the mothers, wives and daughters [female captives] of the men they are commanded to slaughter.


Need more?

There's more - lot's more.

But if you need more vicious proof for speaking out loud against Islam - more than what's been given here? - don't blame anyone but yourself - when Islamic commands are being carried out on your own family.

I was taught (by my pastor, various evangelists and authors, etc.) that you must not think for yourself: you must "die to self" and let Jesus take over.

Posted by: Josephine

Then how could that pastor explain away this one?

Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

God blessed America - and that is a fact!

The God of the Bible does not teach that we should JUST ACCEPT His Word simply because "some prophet said so" He even wared us of the many false prophets.

He proves Himself to be true by Prophecies.

Not that He owes it to mankind to prove Himself True....but in the end - mankind will be without excuse.

Beth, they would have said that was equally true and I expect they would have agreed with everything you said.

I wonder if they would agree with these:

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD {all who are in the body of Christ Rom 8:9]

1Jo 2:27 ye need not that any man teach you

The Prophecy given by Jerimiah was fulfilled at the time of Christ.

Would they agree with those?

I don't think so

And I'm not the one who said them

Josephine?

The Real Power is in this Truth:

There is not one single New Testament Scripture that exists that teaches humans to be violent with each other. Not one. None exist.

If they did - you can bet everything you own that Muslims would be only too happy to point them out.

That has not happened....because they can't.

Go back up and look at the quotes I presented from the Koran.

See the difference?

Yes, I believe you do.

But has this world seen it?

Nope

Start speaking it
Stand up!

Muslims must both denounce, renounce their violent hadiths

Sounds good on the surface. Except, if you leave out the violent hadiths, what does that give us? How do you explain the murder that Muhammad ordered (or induced) for nursing woman, old man, torture of Kinana, etc? How does one explain the beheading of some 700 men of Banu Qurayza? Without these hadiths, all you get are stark murders that will stare down every one. That sounds even worse. At least some Muslims try very hard (without success, of course) to justify the actions of Muhammad. Maybe some Muslims will believe it and at least be moderate.

Islam without jihad is not Islam. Islam without the campaigns of Muhammad is not Islam.

That is the problem, I'm afraid.

King David took a Great ''''Sword'''' right into the enemies' '''''camp'''' - and he conquered them.

Getting rid of the violent hadiths is nothing more than a whitewash job. Lets re-write a little history while we are at it. Lets start editing the hadith untill Mohammad appears lilly white and sinless...the perfect man and Prophet. Lets pretend that if we remove violent hadith jihad will stop.
It would be interesting to know, just how many of those quinteen jillion muslims world wide, have read any hadith or even know about them. It would be interesting to know just how many of those jintillian muslims can even read. It would be better to get rid the violent prone clerics.

King David took a Great ''''Sword'''' right into the enemies' '''''camp'''' - and he conquered them.

Posted by: Beth at October 7, 2006 08:01 PM


What was the point of making this quote. David was fighting his enemy who had waged war upon his people.

Also, it was David who slew Goliath. If you want to get technical then why not mention that every time Moses held up the Ark of the Covenant that the enemies of the Hebrew were slaughtered.

The point for me, being that these parts of the Old Testament do not justify the murder and slaughter that is done in the name of Allah. David did not fight the Arab enemy to force them to convert to Judaism. He fought as a matter of survival. That is the real difference.

We are being dhimmi if we do not look at our own Biblical Texts (whether Christian or Jew) and we do not put some perspective into the historical record. If we let the politically correct slap us down with quotes from the Old Testament that are in truth nothing more than the historical record that a battle took place, then we are not being true to ourselves.

The enemy of the Hebrew people included the Egyptians, Arameans, Assyrians, Persians and the Philistines. These were the ones who swooped down upon Israel and caused war. The writers of the Scriptures noted these events and explained them in terms of the sins of the people, that is usually apostasy. The people of Israel fell from grace when they turned from God and started worshipping the pagan idols, including making sacrifices to Astarte with their children as the main sacrifice!!! For this Israel (Samaria) was severely punished, and the people who survived the assault of the Assyrian king were taken into captivity. Then these people were replaced with others who brought their pagan ways with them. These are the people who worshipped the baals, and who used to beat a goat as a scapegoat because someone was sick or suffering. They are the ones who dance around a black stone known as the kabah.

The people of Israel were not perfect, and that is why we have a salvation history of the people of Israel and Judea. However, there is another side to that salvation history, that does in fact involve Eternal Life.

The message of the Scripture is that we are to live in justice and righteousness. We are to look after the widowed and the orphans. We are to look after those who have been incapacitated. If we were to look at Scripture in light of our modern times, I think that we have the capability of seeing with new eyes the evils that have penetrated into the west: abortion on demand, voluntary and involuntary euthanasia, massive increases in divorce rates, infanticide, disregard for the disabled and the marginalised. There are just so many things that could be mentioned, and yes we in the west have sinned and offended our God. We also have no right to the moral high ground.

We all want the same thing: to see an end to the encroaching jihad. However, God is letting this jihad happen for a reason. We too, need to search ourselves to see if we have been giving a good example to others or if we have fallen into the trap of glorifying evil, especially murder in the forms of abortion and euthanasia.

Why did the Muslim spokesman say that Tabari is an unreliable source? Wasn't it Tabari that said it was Isaac and not Ishmael that Abraham was going to sacrifice? Oh maybe that's it!! Bad Muslim scholar!!

Nonie Darwish says in "Obsession" there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. It's all or nothing.
I agree. If they go to the mosques regularly where all this filth is repeated over and over it is easy to see why it impossible.

These imams say whatever suits at the time and the believers are so ill-informed and ignorant they go for it hook,line and sinker.

We are all delusional if we think we can negotiate, reform, modify, and/or pacify Islam.

We will one day have to make the decision that everyone in the West knows we have to do but won't publically confess, is the total extinction of Islam from Western lands at a minimum.

That means being brutal.

That means deporting, detaining, and/or killing.

Peace is impossible and not a legitimate option.

It is kill or be killed or at best live in dhimmitude.

I prefer killing them before they kill me destroying our way of life in the West.

Today what I have posted above will be deemed radical. But in some tomorrow what I have written will be deemed a necessity wrapped in wisdom.

Hopefully when we come to that fateful realization, it won't be too late.

This hadith, or fundamental concept, states: "I have been ordered by Allah to fight and kill all mankind until they say, 'No God except Allah and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah' (Hadith Sahih).

There it is in a nutshell-everyone must die who doesn't bow to the will of Islamania. Nice and simply written-even a politician can understand it. And yet they do not. If this does not prove the complete and total insanity of this murderous cult I don't know what does.

Dear Robert,

I am so glad that you work hard researching, writing, facing the insults of those bearded snakes, the accusations of those who have dhimmi vocation, trying not to lose your cool, and so much else that I can't even fathom.

I want to say: Thank you. You will be rewarded.

"A few days ago I received an acrimonious email from a prominent moderate Muslim spokesman, accusing me of "shameless lies" for reporting that Muhammad married his daughter-in-law."

Robert-

In 1981 Brezhnev ordered the assassination of Pope John Paul because he called the Soviet system "totalitarian", and because the Pope supported Solidarity. It's amazing how far some folks will go to deny reality. It's a strange part of human nature.

If one of the bedrocks of Islamic theology is that the Qur'an is essentially a dictation, an "Ipsissima Dei", how then, Pelayo, could there be significant retractions and subtractions from Islamic scripture?

This is an extremely important point that Joseph Ratzinger and Robert Spencer have made repeatedly over the last few years. How exactly do you have a reformation of Islam when the bedrock of Islam is the claim that the Qur'an, and the Sunnah very closely behind in authority, is a Divine Dictation?

Of all the misconceptions I have heard expressed over the years, from politicians, academics, and journalists, this one is the one that is most embedded in our current debates about Islam and the possibility of there being a "moderate" Islam. I grow weary pondering how this misconception undergirds nearly every erroneous analysis of the problem. So few people seem to grasp it: the Qur'an is considered a Divine Dictation. Why is it that so few seem to have understood this?

The solution is not to renounce jihad. The solution is to embrace it, as the Anglophones have been doing for centuries. See www.mutazilah.org for a complete solution.

Moderate = Partial. Pray 5 times a day, halal meat and ignore the very facts about the despot mohammad was.
Jihadist = Devout. Pray 5 times a day, halal meat and to make allah’s religion dominant, victorious, and supreme whatever the cost...

So much for Dr Ameer Ali. This is disgusting:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=150671

“Muhammad married his daughter-in-law. "
is there something unmoral that this man didn't do?
StillFedUp

I am not sure how to treat this particular incident. It seems that Zayd was an adopted son.
Book of Leviticus deals with forbidden marriages and it is quite clear that though one can not marry his daughter-in-law, it is permissible to do so if she is the wife of ones step-son. Nothing is said about an adopted son, but one can safely conclude that is also permissible.

redwine, Australia is indeed a Muslim country. We practice Jihad to spread our ideology, rather than being pacifists. We have been on Jihad more than anyone else in the world. We are the only people who turned up on time for WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. The only question is - which sect of Islam are we? The answer is Mu'tazilah. It is time for Australia to join the Organization of the Islamic Conference, and reform Islam from within, instead of throwing stones from without. We also need to go on a Jihad to wipe out the non-Mu'tazilah sects of Islam.

"Americans should consider Muslims to be moderates, and Islam a peaceful faith, only if, in English and in Arabic, Muslims clearly denounce their violent hadiths and strike them from the books that educate their next generation."
-- from the article by Hamid above

And what of the Life of Muhammad -- that guide and inspiration, provided by the Perfect Man? Will Muslims be expected by Dr. Hamid to "denounce" the attack on the Khaybar Oasis, the assassinations of Abu Akaf and Asma bint Marwan, the satsified viewing of the decapitation of 600-900 bound members of the Banu Qurayza, the seizing and sexual enslavement of women whose husbands, fathers, brothers had been killed by Mohammad's followers, the deliberate deceit -- now held up as a model for all treaties made by Muslims with non-Muslims -- of the Meccans with the treaty of Al-Hudaibiyya? What about all that? The hadith are only a part of it.

And finally, there is the Qur'an itself. It is not mentioned by Hamid. But the Hadith are merely stories manufactured by, teased-out of, the Qur'an. Without addressing the bloodcurdling passages in the Qur'an, there will be nothing. "
"Sola scriptura" -- a phrase borrowed from the Reformation by such would-be "reformers" as Mustafa Akyol, a young Turk (rather than a Young Turk), as if to give the task of "reforming" Islam a Christian sheen -- means Qur'an Only. But the Qur'an, all by itself, is dangerous enough -- unless it is no longer regarded as the permanent and uncreated Word of God, and extensive revisions are made to it, or to how it is regarded. Not by a few "reformers." Not by a handful of the advanced. But by the Muslim masses. If that cannot be done, all the rest is is, for non-Muslims, cold comfort indeed.

And it cannot be done. Or at least no one has yet come close to suggesting how it could be done. The truth is otherwise: those Muslims who come to realize what is in the Qur'an, the Hadith, and the Sira, and who no longer wish to belive in it, and realize that the escape of calling oneself a "cultural Muslim" may be comforting, and allow for the expression of filial piety (not to mention being physically safer), but in fact merely serves to further deceive Infidels about the nature of Islam. For the very unthreatening or reasonable nature of those who are not Believers at all but merely self-described "cultural Muslims" can confuse Infidels who may not understand what that phrase means, and may, in their minds, delay the date of recognition of what Islam the belief-system is all about, and how it thtreatens them.

One would not, after all, have made plans for dealing with the Nazis during or even after the war by invoking as a typical specimen Oskar Schindler. One would not have dealt with the Soviet Union by taking as a typical product of Soviet totalitarianism Andrey Sakharov, or Joseph Brodsky.

Why should any non-Muslim allow himself to be assuaged by the existence of those "cultural Muslims" -- for they are not really Muslims at all, but for reasons known only to them, but possibly involving a desire to avoid ostracism or even murder, will not go the route of full-fledged apostasy.

Hugh, "the deliberate deceit -- now held up as a model for all treaties"

This is the correct way to fight war. The Anglophones signed up to the Treaty of Westphalia, which says we can't look into the internals of other countries. But that's not what we do. We instead uphold our universal values of human rights, and seek to spread them at every opportunity. By stealth. We dredge out some half-arsed excuse to go on a Jihad and liberate others.

"Or at least no one has yet come close to suggesting how it could be done."

Well here is how to do it. You adopt the same methods and terminology of the Muslims, and spread the religion of the Anglophones by force of arms. But the religion of the Anglophones is not Christianity. The religion of the Anglophones is Mu'tazilah, aka "secular capitalist liberal democracy" or "rational, humanist, non-subjugating government".

The Anglophones have been doing just this for centuries. Now is the time for the final push.

King David took a Great ''''Sword'''' right into the enemies' '''''camp'''' - and he conquered them.

Posted by: Beth at October 7, 2006 08:01 PM

What was the point of making this quote.

Posted by: Maggie4Life

After reading the rest of your post - yes - you did miss the point altogether.

That 'Sword' was the Word of God. If King David slew a giant with a 'stone' knowing that the prophets of God are called ''livesly stones'' - Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Corner Stone - then what kind of a giant was it, that King David slew?

There are all kinds of Giants. There's a lot of them these days. Take the media giants for example.

Anyways, Blessed are the babies that fall on that Rock - that Stone - but woe to all others on whom that Rock falls.

I know this is a bit deep - but not for those who have studied the Bible.

The point I am trying to make with you - is that the God of the Bible NEVER allowed humans to be violent with each other. The Old Testament is a history of huamns AND angels told in parables. This is important to note - because:

Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just.

The angels - not humans are commanded to serve out the punishments - not humans.

Proof that the Old Testament is a history record of the angels also:

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Rth 2:4 And, behold, Boaz came from Bethlehem, and said unto the reapers, The LORD be with you. And they answered him, The LORD bless thee.

2Ki 4:18 And when the child was grown, it fell on a day, that he went out to his father to the reapers.

So you see, it is the angels who are to carry out the punishments - not humans.

There is not one single New Testament Scripture that exists - where humans are aloud to be violent with each other. Not one.

On the other hand - the Koran is filled with vicious teachings.

Now - go back up and look at the prophecy about Palestine that proves the allah of the Koran is not the real God.

We can kill all of the terrorists to our hearts desire.

The Koran will only send more.

The Word of God [ The 'Sword'} can and will put a stop to Islam.

It just needs to be applied.

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

It will take this 'Sword' to put a stop to the Koran.

No Koran - no Islamic Terrorists [of which all nations are being invaded]

No Koran - no Islam

No Islam - no Islamic terrorists.

There is NO OTHER WAY to reach people who have already committed themselves to dying for their allah.

It is going to take Religion to break the prison hold that Islam has on them.

Robert has already begun the work that is needed to be done.

He is exposing the actual bloody teachings of Islam, to a sleeping society.

But that's not all that needs to be done.

That's only the beginning.

Let me give you another one Maggie4Life

Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.

She looked back.

That's what a lot of people are doing - by suggesting that the writings of the Koran can be changed.

Those who say such things - know nothing about how religion [whether good or bad] affects the hearts and minds.

Certainly, a psychiatrist could explain it a lot better than I can.

The best thing to do is to accept that fact that the Koran exists - and is free to all who want to study it.

Even the young.

The best thing to do - is to consider what affect it is going to have for all of us - down the road.

As we debate - the imams are pretty busy in their mosques

Posted by: rocky [to Robert]

trying not to lose your cool

Trying?

I don't think Robert had to try at all.

I say Bravo for him!

I was truely impressed

from the article: "Zawahri's threat is based on a saying of the Prophet Muhammad as written in Sahih Al-Buchary [Bukhari], a central book of Salafi Islamic teaching. This hadith, or fundamental concept, states: "I have been ordered by Allah to fight and kill all mankind until they say, 'No God except Allah and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah' (Hadith Sahih).""

I find it interesting that the author appears to imply that this well-known hadith is somehow an isolated "Salafi" thing. My question is, Doesn't this hadith, in fact, represent one of Muhammad's final pronouncements about jihad? And further, does ANY mainstream school of Islamic jurisprudence reject the basic legitimacy of this hadith, in terms of its chains of narration?

Mr. Spencer or anyone else?

This bastard al-Zawahri will be sniggering out the other side of his mouth when the American people start terrorizing his batpoop-stained rear end. We can convert him to a realist in three lessons one of which should involve a Kuran being stuffed up his batpoop-smeared derriere.







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