Redeker death threats update. "Frenchman held," from The News, with thanks to A Girl Scout:
PARIS: French police are holding a man accused of sending a death threat to a philosophy teacher who was forced into hiding after writing an article critical of Islam, justice officials said on Tuesday. Arrested on Monday in the central city of Orleans, the 25-year-old call-centre employee was held for 24 hours by anti-terrorist investigators, who found no evidence he was linked to a terrorist organisation. Remanded in custody, he faces up to five years in jail for “aggravated threats” over a threatening e-mail he sent last month to Robert Redeker, a 52-year-old father of three who teaches in southwestern Toulouse. Though a practising Muslim, the suspect apparently has no links to Islamic extremism, according to police who said he acted alone out of “hatred” for the author.
In America they would be saying that this wasn't an act of terrorism -- he just hated Redeker. This is more fruit of the massive misapprehension of the jihad, a misapprehension under which we must all labor. This man wants to kill Redeker because in his mind Redeker has insulted Islam and Muhammad, which in Islamic law is a capital offense. That makes him a freelance mujahid like Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar. The lack of ties to terror groups means nothing: he has ties to the ideology that fuels terror.
A Jihad of one.
Well, the French got something right. Whatever sentence this pig gets won't be enough for what he did to Redeker and his family because there will be other pigs who'd love a crack at him.
Hate is an Islamic family value.
The Most High has said: "O you who believe! Do not take your fathers and brothers as friends if they prefer disbelief over belief. Whoever amongst you befriends them, they are the wrongdoers" (9:23). He also said: "O You who believe, do not take My enemy and your enemy as friends and protectors. You show them love when they have rejected the truth that has come to you" (60:1).
The Prophet of Allah (S.A.W.) has said: "The faith of a believer is never complete until his love is for Allah's sake and his hatred is for Allah's sake". And he also said: "Love for Allah and love for His enemy can never co-exist in the heart of a believer".
Traditions of this genre are innumerable. Reason in itself is enough proof that Allah, Glory be to Him, has made believers love faith and adorned it in their hearts. He has made them hate disbelief, corruption and disobedience. For a man may hate his son or his father or his brother for his opposition to the truth and his swaying back and forth to the path of Satan; and he may love a stranger to whom he has no connection, except the brotherhood of Islam.
For all of this, it is incumbent that our love, affection and friendship be to those whom Allah has commanded us to love, just as it is necessary that our animosity, hatred and dissociation be from those whom Allah, Glory be to Him, has ordered us to dissociate from.
As a result of this, our affection is for 'Ali and the Imams from his progeny, even though there was no preceding love for them; [this is] because the Qur'an, sunna, history and reason have left us no doubt regarding them.
ROBERT: "The lack of ties to terror groups means nothing: he has ties to the ideology that fuels terror."
As did the shooter at the Jewish center in Seattle earlier this year; as did the shooter at the El Al counter at LAX a few years ago; as did the shooter at the Empire State building a few years before that...and on and on...
Another datum to add to the mountain of data that inexorably gets filtered by the sociopolitically dominant interpretive filter of PC that decaffeinates Islam.
The PC Filter Decaffeinates Islam
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2006/10/pc-filter-decaffeinates-islam.html
"Though a practising Muslim, the suspect apparently has no links to Islamic extremism, according to police who said he acted alone out of “hatred” for the author."
It's time to start treating these threats as an indication of mental illness. Authorities should begin asking Judges to commit such persons to a psychiatric evaluation. This should also be done with many of the Islamic clergy. (It should have been done with Hitler before he got power.)
The order to commit a person to a Mental Hospital would send a powerful message to Muslims who contemplate threats on the basis of their belief-system. This behavior should not be treated and coddled as an expression of "religion". It's mental illness.
The phrase used by the first poster (MP) above (and which has appeared at JW before), about "the Jihad of One," has to be repeated as often as possible. Force it, by dint of repetition, into the public consciousness. The Arabs did it with "the Palestinian people." We can do it, in the interests not of a Great Lie but of a Great Truth. And should.
This is very good news, nonwithstanding that the French authorities' decision to highlight that he is not a part of a terrorist group. Muslims who make death threats should suffer consequences. This is another front against the Islamic wall of fear and terror. When Muslims are afraid to threaten critics and apostates things will be better, and criticism and apostasy will increase. Islam is losing ground slowly.
The authorities should make it very clear to Muslim clergy that they will be committed to psychiatric hospitals if they in any way incite to violence. They should be publicly put in a straight-jacket if they engage in such behavior or encourage incitement to such behavior. This should also be done with anyone who makes e-mail threats.
Arrest them, get an order for a psychiatric evaluation, and let the public see such persons in a straight-jacket, being taken away to a mental hospital. That would make a powerful impression on everyone.
Imagine Hitler being put in a straight-jacket, with a object in his mouth to prevent him from biting anyone and being driven to a mental hospital. It would make many supporters wonder about Hitler, make the public look at Hitler in a different way. He might be called crazy after that.
I think that treating muslims (who commit crimes) as insane is unfair to the current inmates of asylums.
Treat them as inherently evil, nothing more nor less. Prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law and where the law allows execute them.
When I think of muslim atrocities, I think Texas Chainsaw Massacre. All the gore they are raised to perpetuate.
Abu_Lahab-
I don't know. I can just see that London Muslim nut with the glass eye and the Captain Hook arm being put on a stretcher, in a straight-jacket, tied down, with a bit in his mouth to prevent him from biting people. People might start to consider the belief-system a mental illness. It is that, but folks don't see that clearly because the bullshit of "religion" is piled so high that a helicopter is needed to stay above the pile.
The lack of ties to terror groups means nothing: he has ties to the ideology that fuels terror. R. Spencer
How true, how true. This bares repeating.
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Yup,
If I were in law enforcement over there, I'd start looking at his Mosque real close... I'm sure he didn't get those ideas from a "peace loving" cleric at his Mosque...
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
Frank, your proposal to treat jihadism as a mental disease has its merits. It would diminish Islam's appearance as a "great religion" and maybe the Qur'an would finally be seen as a War Lord's Psyops Manual for Mass Submission.
Most mental diseases can be controlled with drugs, or surgery, but Islamo-Rage Syndrome, doesn't seem to have a cure. It compells society to incarcerate the severe "patients" for life and give the moderate ones a tracking device and make them register on a national "Jihad Offender Registry".
There is only one link to all of the terrorist cells worldwide.... the koran.
"The authorities should make it very clear to Muslim clergy that they will be committed to psychiatric hospitals if they in any way incite to violence."
Oh, come on! Mental Illness! I believe that a man was crucified on a cross, died, and three days later he went physically into the sky. Am I crazy? Is religion a mental illness?
These people are not crazy. Mental illness is seen by me as a cop out when confronted with the truth. How many times have you heard the excuse that the "Lone Jihadist" was mentally unbalalnced or delusional or crazy.
If the Frenchies can catch this fellow, don't you think the FBI can catch the one or ones who have threatened Robert? Is the Surete of Inspector Clouseau fame better than the FBI?
Mental numbness maybe. But couldn’t Muslim leaders be convicted of hate crimes? Here's the text…
`Sec. 249. Hate crime acts
`(a) In General-
`(1) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person--
`(A) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and
`(B) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if--
`(i) death results from the offense; or
`(ii) the offense includes kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.
http://www.theorator.com/bills109/hr2662.html
It seems to me that if a mufti, or whatever you call them, encourages his flock to follow the teachings of the Qu’ran, and one of them ‘alters’ his daughter, that the mufti and the operative could be found guilty and be sentenced to life in prison (aggravated sexual abuse).
It may be a little early for prosecutions in 2006, but if Cleveland melts and we get a change in leadership, it seems to me that the law is already in place.
Again we see the misconprehension in which a Muslim must have "ties to islamic terrorism" to harbour exterminationist ideas.
Actually, there is a mental illness that is exhibited by members of destructive cults in higher percentages than in the general population; it's called borderline personality disorder. The disease is marked by intensly deep feelings of worthlessness, black and white thinking and splitting others all good or all evil and the need to control others in ways that often run to criminality. Borderline's behavior is marked by a pattern of 'hoovering' or sucking in the victim to gain their trust and finding out their weak points, then viciously turning on the victim. Lies, smear campaigns and playing the victim are just a few of the tools in a borderline's kit. Unfortunatly, most doctors have not heard of this illness, or will mis-diagnose it as something that they can medicate. Sound familiar?
Posted by Frank:
"It's time to start treating these threats as an indication of mental illness."
That is actually a pretty common excuse here in Saudi Arabia when a Saudi gets caught in what we would regard as a terrorist incident.
Oops, I forgot to mention the hair-trigger rages over any perceived slight. That is a big borderline indicator.
I strongly oppose the idea to treat Islam as mental illness. Mentally ill cannot be hold responsible for what they do, they are not guily, since they are ill. Besides, think of the costs this would cause to the tax payers in Europe. We should fight to expose Islam for what it is: a criminal ideology that should be forbidden. First step (in Europe) should be to facilitate an open debate on Islam (we´re still light years away from this, the opposite is happening), - at the end of this debate (if only enough people would get properly involved) Islam could possibly be forbidden and those still adhering to this ideology could be treated as criminals and enemies of our civilization which we want to preserve (those Muslims for "cultural purposes only" living in Europe could stay and live here as atheists or adopt Christianity). Having said that I am aware that Europe itself would need to become Christian again, otherwise we will definitely fail (no, rationality and enlightement are not enough, but even rationality and enlightement are in short supply in Europe today). The chances are not too good I am afraid. Communism has quite successfully "cleaned" Eastern Europe from its Christian identity, and the EU is doing the very same in a new, more fashionable disguise. The net result is that most Europeans (East and West) are lacking courage, conviction that certain values (freedom) are so important that they should be defended at any price, even if it means lot of sacrifice. Any ideas how to re-Christianize Europe?
pelayo
The French Police and intelligence services might be a lot better than you think. The FBI is highly over rated..in my opinion and I offer 9/11 as evidence.
I hope that somehow Robert Redeker or one of his family members reads jihadwatch and if he does, Robert, please know that many people are praying for you and for your protection.
It must seem like a bad nightmare to live in a part of the world which is supposed to be free, but it has become a part of the western world which has bowed its knee to the threats of Islam.
Well I say, it's time for the opera to begin and to be played everywhere, for cartoons to abound with the truth and for true Westerners everywhere to arise and cower no more to the evil which tries to undermine freedom.
You will continue to be in my prayers Robert, both you and your family. Please do not give up hope.
Vive la liberte!
PJ
If these guys are mentally ill, they need a good lobotomy. Erase the "why we kill" part of their brain.
Mr. Spencer said:
"Though a practising Muslim, the suspect apparently has no links to Islamic extremism, according to police who said he acted alone out of “hatred” for the author."
Let me guess:
1. He was always such a nice guy.
2. He was distraught over the loss of a job/spouse/cousin
3. He was mentally ill.
One of the above?
/snark
Is there anything like a psychiatric hospital or treatment centers in Islamic countrys? Islam seems to have a 'lot' of 'doctors', how many of them are psychiatrists? With jillions of muslims, there must be many untreated schizophrenics, paranoids and psychopaths especially. Paranoia comes with Islam. Everyone of them is paranoid that they will offend Allah somehow and not get into heaven. Not participating in jihad is one of the things that really tics Allah off. Allahs attitude is expressed here...and other places as well: Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.” If a muslim refuses this command, Allah has them in the sights of his flamethrower. Thats enough to make most muslims paranoid, and it is a call to jihad...
I can see the evil little devils typing out death threats on their company's computers..
We need to stop all muslims from coming in and kick out those already here! It's a MUST.
Posted by: americaningermany
On company Time no doubt... I agree we must kick them OUT!!
A one man jihad can take many forms, but the are all based on one premise. Fight them untill they are dead, or submit to Allah. This is an on going jihad. As long as there is one dis-believer alive anywhere, the jihad will continue. The three verses below are not the only ones but they illustrate the point. There is no time limit on this jihad. It will continue untill someone or something puts it s foot right in the middle of Islam and puts a stop to it. Dont expect 'moderates or reformers to do it, they are bound by the same Allah slavery as the rest ABDALLAH...slave to Allah. Slaves do as they are told. Allah told them what to do...and he knows best.
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Qur’an:2:193 “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”
Violent jihad is a serious problem. However, I caution against the snap judgements and cultural arrogance by which we would label Islamists to be insane and/or simple criminals. I say this not from a multi-cultural viewpoint, but from years of research into how God's plan is unfolding in humanity.
My conclusion are simple but counter-intuitive. My premise is that God knew ages ago that the West would eventually succumb to hard-core atheism, a process that is now more or less complete in Europe, and that He created Islam as a double-edged contingency. My prediction is that if Christians call on the "mental health industry" (i.e. the priests of atheism), we will see a level of jihad like never before (although I do not feel this is likely to be put to the test in a serious way). Alternatively, I predict that the best way Christian's can empower themselves to confront, contain, and soften Islam, is to confront the dark distortions that crept into Christianity during the 4th century.
Indeed, I believe this confrontation with Christianity's own dark past is the one and only thing that will allow Christians to reverse Western decay at its root, while at the same time giving Christians the moral authority to support a strain a strain of Islam that is truly modern and moderate. If jihadists win, it is only because we have failed at an even deeper level. And when we consider that the end result of atheism is inevitably a prison planet run by those who have won the "Darwinian struggle," it is not hard to see a jihadist victory as being the cultural equivalent of a mercy killing. It would certainly not be the best outcome, but it may well be God's "fallback position."
This fellow sent a death threat because he is a practicing muslim (i.e. a follower of Islam). Is he not a "terrorist"? Did he not terrorize Robert Redeker? The police think he is not a terrorist because they couldn't find his membership card in Al Qaeda. A little more of this PC stupidity and we're ALL dead.
Of course, the secularists who are running our society don't worry. Those who once were saying "better red than dead" now will find no problem shouting "Allah akbar" when faced with a sword. They believe in nothing, and that is the problem with our society today.
Folks, the muzlim KAOSKTRL explains the depravity of the muzlim mind with this quote:
"For all of this, it is incumbent that our love, affection and friendship be to those whom Allah has commanded us to love, just as it is necessary that our animosity, hatred and dissociation be from those whom Allah, Glory be to Him, has ordered us to dissociate from."
COMPARE THAT TO Jesus who said,
"Love your enemy. Because, if you only love those who are good to you, how are you any better than the scribes or Pharisees?"
IZLAM IS PURE EVIL. PERIOD!
Rev x... So it was YHVH that created Allah, why did I not think of that first...what a revelation. Do you realize what that means? No religious person wants to 'go against' their God. So as not to go against YHVH Christians and Jews must capitulate to muslims and let them take over. Thats the plan is it not? It's OK with YHVH if muslims worship him as Allah as long as they do it. According to that, we all need to convert. I dont want to be resposible for slowing down Gods plan. But to tell you the truth I dont care much for Gods contingency plan...As for 'Christianity's own dark past...'
I dont think Christianity has a dark past, but lots of Christians, or those who call themselves Christians do. Lots of people have murdered or been murdered in 'Gods' name, but that was in spite of Christianity, not because of it...
Duh_Swami,
> So it was YHVH that created Allah, why did I not think of that first.
God supposedly created everything. And if we look at the book of Job, we see that even Satan obeys God's commands.
> So as not to go against YHVH Christians and Jews
> must capitulate to muslims and let them take over
I never said anything of the sort. Let me be clearer. If Christians get their act together, they will have the capacity and authority to redefine Islam.
> I dont think Christianity has a dark past, but lots
> of Christians, or those who call themselves Christians do.
Dude, you need to read some history books. The witch burnings of the Middle Ages are there for all to see, and Christian tyrrany of the 4th and 5th centuries (i.e. after they acquired state power) is arguably worse. Indeed, the mere possession of a Bible by non-clergy carried the death penalty for over 1000 years. So let me tell you, the principle of an equal and opposite reaction applies in the Spirit realm every bit as much as it applies in the material realm.
> But to tell you the truth I dont care much for Gods contingency plan
OK, let's talk about the main plan. Are you aware that Jesus' message in John 8:12 begins "I am the light of the Cosmos...," or that Ephesians 4:10 talks about the upliftment of the whole universe? Unfortunately, the malefic doctrine of amillenialism (i.e. the mainstream Christian theology for over 1500 years) obstructs this cosmic destiny in favor of some lumpen "destruction by fire" -- a destruction which is fast becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The danger of radical Islam can be negated, but I would caution you to be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem.
Rev X...I'm not your 'dude'. With all due respect your emminence...go sell that snake oil somewhere else..I aint buying it. Especially this part: "If Christians get their act together, they will have the capacity and authority to redefine Islam.". Explain just exactly what that capacity and authority consist of...Just exactly 'how' is Christianity going to 'redefine' Islam? Have you ran this idea to any muslims? What is their reaction?
viva la france. put the pig in a pig sty and let him cry until he drowns himself in his crocodile tears. flood the news about his depravity everywhere until the jihadis pull their hair and pull out of the west which they long to wrest away from their superiors and rejoice amongst fellow inferiors while sticking up their posteriors. god help us if they ate beans in abundance!
Here's what I can read on the ESISC web site today:
France/Affaire Redeker : l’homme interpellé remis en liberté, sous contrôle judiciaire
L’homme de 25 ans arrêté lundi à Orléans par la DST (Direction de la surveillance du territoire) pour avoir adressé des menaces de mort au professeur de philosophie Robert Redeker a été remis en liberté sous contrôle judiciaire, après 48 heures de garde à vue, alors que le parquet avait requis son incarcération. Il semblerait que l’homme, employé comme téléopérateur et se disant musulman pratiquant, ait agi seul par simple « haine » envers M. Redeker. Il était connu des services de police pour des faits de droit commun n’ayant aucun rapport avec l’islamisme radical. Au cours de sa garde à vue, il aurait reconnu avoir également envoyé trois autres e-mails de menaces de mort à un historien américain, dont l’identité n’a pas été révélée. Mis en examen pour « menaces de mort par écrit lancées en raison de l’appartenance vraie ou supposée de la victime à une ethnie, nation, race ou religion », il risque jusqu’à cinq ans de prison.
-> the man as been freed but remains under "judicial control" - although the (~) DA office wanted him imprisonned
-> he was "known to the police", but not for
misdemeanor linked to radical islam.
-> He also admitted to have send 3 others death-threat-mails to "an american historian, whose identity was not told".
-> He might incour max. 5 years in jail.
While I have some time Rev X..."God supposedly created everything. And if we look at the book of Job, we see that even Satan obeys God's commands".
Yes the creator did create everything, that includes disease, natural calamities (earthquakes, floods ect). He created nature so that everything is eating everything else. He created overacidity and diarhea,AIDS and cancer cells to kill your parents. He created pain, suffering and death for his 'living' creatures. Obviously God, as the creator, should not be worshipped, but controlled. And that is exactly what science and medicine are attempting to do. The 'creator' gave us a diamond in the rough, he gave us a paradise overgrown with the weeds of danger and hardship. Nature unaided fails...it is up to us to cultivate and refine it.
Rev X:I never said anything of the sort.
Yes you did...REV X:"My premise is that God knew ages ago that the West would eventually succumb to hard-core atheism, a process that is now more or less complete in Europe, and that He created Islam as a double-edged contingency"
This statement is as clear as mud. A contingency for what? If he created Islam as this 'contingency' plan to stop the spread of hardcore atheism then in order to go along with his plan, I should convert to Islam so as not to be in opposition....then, in order to accept your premise, one must assume that God 'thinks' and makes plans. I think they call that anthropomorphism. Reducing God to human characteristics.
Rev X: "Dude, you need to read some history books".
You did not get my message. I said those acts were not done 'because' of Christianity, but in 'spite' of it. There is nothing in Christianity that calls for witch burning...but brutal psuedo Christians did do that in the name of God...all that did was to make them lying sadistic perverts.
REV X: "Indeed, the mere possession of a Bible by non-clergy carried the death penalty for over 1000 years".
There went your credibility...right out the window. The first 'authorised' bibles (King James) were printed in 1600 something. According to you the death penalty is still in effect and will be untill the year 2600. Maybe you are refering to earlier versions, which are not the same as King James. Who decreed that 'death penalty', the Catholic Church? Please cite the cannonical bull decreeing this...if you read this, which you probably wont...state your source material for this claim...
Rem X:"The danger of radical Islam can be negated, but I would caution you to be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem".
I get a kick out of you. Disagree with your premises and I'm part of the problem.
Anyone can call themselves 'Reverend', so have a good day...yours Rev duh_swami...
Duh_Swami,
>> "Indeed, the mere possession of a Bible by non-clergy
>> carried the death penalty for over 1000 years".
> There went your credibility...right out the window. The first
> 'authorised' bibles (King James) were printed in 1600 something.
> According to you the death penalty is still in effect and will be
> untill the year 2600. Maybe you are refering to earlier versions,
> which are not the same as King James. Who decreed that 'death
> penalty', the Catholic Church?
Yes it was the Catholic church. The King James Bible was a product of the Protestant reformation and it was printed after the scriptural monopoly had been broken by the Protestant reformation and by the invention of the printing press. Like I said, you need to read some history. The Protestant Catholic wars were the final failed attempt by the Church to commit genocide in support of its 1000 year monopoly, with the prohibition of the Bible by non-clergy being an integral part of that monopoly.
> I said those acts were not done 'because' of Christianity, but in
> 'spite' of it. There is nothing in Christianity that calls for witch burning
> ...but brutal psuedo Christians did do that in the name of God
This I half agree with. The problem is that Christianity welcomed the pseudo-Christian violence when it prostituted itself to the power of the Roman government in the 4th century. As such Christianity takes the blame for alienating Western culture to the beneficence of God.
>> Regarding my earlier comment: "If Christians get their act together,
>> they will have the capacity and authority to redefine Islam.".
True Muslim moderates are utterly disempowered in Muslim countries, and totally dependent on the secular freedoms of the West for what little power they have. If Christians get their act together, they could empower those Muslims who would embrace secular freedoms and officially confine jihad to the ideological realm. This would fundamentally alter the balance of power in Islam. In the absence of this, it will eventually be necessary for the West to surrender all freedoms and adopt a system of government akin to communist China, the finest creation of modern atheism.
> If he created Islam as this 'contingency' plan to stop the spread of
> hardcore atheism then in order to go along with his plan, I should
> convert to Islam so as not to be in opposition
I described it as a double-edged contingency. The ideal situation would be for Christians to champion a full and complete unification of science and religion, a process that would align moderate Muslims to the West and empower them in a serious way. In this regard, God's purpose for Islam is to act as a goad to Christianity. If Christians fail, the flip-side of the contingency is for Islam to trigger nuclear Armageddon (or some other equivalent catastrophe) as a mercy killing so we don't end up like China.
God's options for the defeat of "evil" are not confined to "linear-time." Indeed, the linear causation of atheistic science is but a small subset of how "cause" and "effect" work, and in this regard, you can not judge the workings of God by the simplistic arguments of modern day atheists concerning disease, war, and natural disasters. And if you try and apply linear logic to the problem of Islam, you will indeed be a part of the problem.
You make it sound like Christianity was a person.
The problem is that Christianity welcomed the pseudo-Christian violence when it prostituted itself to the power of the Roman government in the 4th century.
You got to be delusional. Christianity has no ability to prostitute itself to anyone or anything. Christianity does not 'think' or make 'decisions'. Men may do that in Christianities name, for better or worse, but Christianity cant do that unaided.
Dr X: The ideal situation would be for Christians to champion a full and complete unification of science and religion, a process that would align moderate Muslims to the West and empower them in a serious way
You better read up on Islam, there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. There is lots of talk about them, but no one can really produce one. And if there were I dont think i want them to have any serious power....You're still selling snake oil REV...you did not come up with the Cannonical bull proscribing the death penalty for possession of a bible...you said it, now prove it...then tell me how many people were actually executed for this...
It's amazing that history repeats itself, or life imitates art, if you like. Two hundred years ago, a French playwright Beaumarchais wrote The Marriage of Figaro [le mariage de Figaro]. In the play, he has his hero Figaro tell how he wrote a play that insulted Muslim potentates, who complained to the king of Spain, and Figaro then found himself in jail. Note that Redeker's op ed article was published in LeFigaro, a newspaper named after our hero. When today's Muslim potentates complained about the op ed, the editor of LeFigaro apoligized and said that publishing the article was a mistake, etc. Whereas Figaro went to jail, Redeker had to flee for his life.
See link:
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2006/10/figaro-mocks-muhammad-were-back-in.html
As the French say, le plus ca change, le plus c'est la meme chose. The more things change. . .