What does this primer say? AP doesn't tell us. What does it teach about jihad and the subjugation of unbelievers? Do Spanish officials believe that simply teaching about Islam in Spanish will make the problem of jihad and Sharia supremacism disappear? If so, on what basis do they think that?
From The Associated Press:
MADRID, Spain Spain has devised a school textbook it calls unique in Europe — a primer for Muslim first-graders to learn about Islam but do so in the local language and thus not feel like outsiders, officials said Wednesday.A first run of 15,000 copies of the Spanish-language book "Discovering Islam" was printed as part of the project, said Jose Manuel Lopez, managing director of the Pluralism and Harmony Foundation, which is part of the Justice Ministry. The ministry oversees religious issues.
The book, written by a Spanish Muslim leader and financed by the foundation, was exhibited at the Frankfurt book fair this month and drew keen interest from people in other European countries. The same thing happened when it was formally unveiled in Spain on Tuesday, as representatives of the governments of Germany, France and Italy attended the ceremony, Lopez said.
"Europe has 40 million Muslims and governments don't know what to do to assimilate them," Lopez said in an interview. "This book is a hint."
In other European Union countries with significant Muslim immigrant communities, primers on Islam are written in Arabic or French if they exist at all, Lopez said.
Indeed, in major EU countries such as Britain, France, Germany and Italy, there is nothing equivalent to the book now out in Spain, officials in those nations said.
The idea in Spain is to help Muslim children in public schools learn about their faith in Spanish and thus integrate better into society, Lopez said.
"Lopez said. "Europe has 40 million Muslims and governments don't know what to do to assimilate them."
You cannot assimilate them. That's the problem. Most of them don't want to adapt to their host countries. They want to rule it.
Europe has 40 million Muslims and governments don't know what to do to assimilate them," Lopez said in an interview.
40 MILLION Muslims in Europe? This puts Eurabia in the top 5 for Muslim populations, doesn't it?
Boy, those multicults really did a wonderful job
filling the place with rabble.
As for the assimilation issue has Lopez been asleep for the last several years? It appears most countries have tried to assimilate this bunch but they stubbornly refuse. Short of putting something in their water or food they will NEVER assimilate.
I suppose this idea has one good point (IF done right). Maybe these little terrors will learn a milder form of Islam if the the government oversees it. Somehow, I have a feeling that will not be the case, considering the current government of Spain being tepid in the fight against the enemy.
It's astonishing to see how naive Europeans in responsible positions ar to still go on believing in "Pluralism and Harmony" in the wake of the clarity of widespread Muslim hatred and aggression.
Eurabia is really at work.
Is it optimism or blindness I wonder?
The primer is used to "learn about their faith" for the purposes of assimilation. Does the primer also instruct children how to fit into the Spanish culture, or does it repeat the theme that Spain is actually Andalusia, Muslim?
"part of the project, said Jose Manuel Lopez, managing director of the Pluralism and Harmony Foundation, which is part of the Justice Ministry..."
-- from the article above
As the plaintiff's attorney observed about the surgeon's scalpel that was later discovered sewn up in his client's stomach: Res Ipsa Loquitur.
Where do these doofuses get their statistics from? According to Al-BBCera, there are 25 million. They've been banging the "fastest growing religion" drum so hard they can just make anything up and it is believed. That's almost 10% of Europe's population. Preposterous.
Pluralism and Harmony,Islam?
Futile attempts at future convivencia based on falsehoods about a presumed past convivencia. What is Islam in Europe, or in Spain? Exactly what it is in Pakistan, or Algeria, or Iran, or Saudi Arabia, or Malaysia, or Indonesia, or the Sudan, or Nigeria, or Bangladesh, or India. Unsettling and anxiety-producing for Infidels. Expensive for Infidels. Physically dangerous for Infidels. That is what Islam is. Will that be taught to six-year-olds in Spain? Of course not. They will be fed a steady diet of soothing pabulum, because the Truth cannot possibly be imparted at this point, but instead of remaining silent, the Spanish State apparently hopes to impart lies, and then nonsense, and then more lies.
Is it optimism or blindness I wonder?
Posted by: rocky at October 18, 2006 10:34 PM
Or perhaps complicity in the Eurabian project?
I thought Islam is so deeply compatible with Western civilization that it's practically a carbon copy.
How to get people to listen to muslims, They dont want to intergrate they want to replace society with something better..
aren't the spanish fed up with crapatero?
I'd like to coin a new term for Spaniards:
Moronos.
Similar to "marranos" but with a distinct and appropriate implication of its own.
Is it possible for myself and family to move to saudi arabia, (not that I would want to live in that kitty litter box) and through their education system, have my children learn from text "discovering Christianity?" absolutly not. naseem? Hello, hello?
"Europe has 40 million Muslims and governments don't know what to do to assimilate them," Lopez said in an interview."
Yes, and the reason Europe has 40 million Muslims is precisely because of countries such as Italy and Spain who are constantly offering 'amnesties' to all those who illegally invade and occupy our countries. None of them were invited here by the local populations - instead they were granted the residence card and passport by the Zapatero-Prodi Dhimmi alliance. And yet this alliance is proud when speaking of the fact that they have the 'solution' to assimilation of the unwanted 'guests' in Europe - let's see just how well a first grade textbook really does work.
Pluralism and Harmony Foundation
Another term that, heretofore, could only be found in the mind of George Orwell.
Well, Jonathan Swift had some interesting ideas about assimilation, but enough about cuisine.
Europe has 40 million Muslims and governments don't know what to do to assimilate them," Lopez said in an interview. "This book is a hint." 40? I've heard 20, but never 40 million.
With all the noise in England, I was shocked (really) to learn that Moslems were only 2-3% of the UK population.
Moslems (and their enablers) obviously want to inflate numbers. How many of the critters are there in the world? 800 million? 1bil? sometimes you read 1 1/2 billion, even. Just total b.s.
The government of Spain is funding religious instruction for Muslims via its Justice Ministry (justice for whom?). Does it do the same for other religions?
"Europe has 40 million Muslims and governments don't know what to do to assimilate them," Lopez said in an interview. "This book is a hint."
Where do they get these numbers from ?
http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-ed/fellows/taspinar20030301.htm
The 15 million Muslims of the European Union (EU)—up to three times as many as live in the United States
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1796
Some 5% of the E.U., or nearly 20 million persons, presently identify themselves as Muslims
August22 - you are so right.
And when a country has a Justice Ministry, you have just got to be a tad concerned.
And Spain are full and eager participants of the EU project. I still haven't worked out if there is anything in the Eurabia conspiracy. I think that it might happen much more easily if Europe is a fully integrated country. It's easier to take over a single big country than lots of little ones. But then again, when the Socialist jack-boot is stepping on the combined features of mankind for an eternity, I can't see how the Mohammedians will get a look in. Perhaps the Euro elite will use Islam to control us, while they sip champagne in their Ministry Appartments.
So the thing to guard against first and foremost is an Intergrated Europe. A European Union of Socialist Soviets where you have to have a permit to do anything, where it is a shame to speak out about your benevolent government - they know what's best for you, and you just take it like a good boy or girl. Where there is no trial by jury, or there is no Habeus Corpus, or innocence until found guilty. At first I see a society like that portrayed in the film Brazil - tied down with a quagmire of beurocracy - a product of the Socialists craving for Control, targets, snooping, interference. Non-PC statements will not be tolerated. Can't bring up your kids, eh? We'll do if for you - and here is what they are going to learn in the Ministry of Child Welfare's Toleration Unit.
Britons, avoid this nightmare by voting Conservative, reject the Left, its lust for never ending power, and its agenda of human degeneration. Let your Conservative MP and prospective MP know that it is FREEDOM that you desire.
Perhaps, one of our American Presidents -- present or past -- could offer their assistance?
Terror suspect contributed
to school 'religion guidelines'
Issued by Clinton, rules let students
pray to Allah, but banish Christmas
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52519
contains a lovely picture of the trio:
Abdurahman Alamoudi with President Clinton, Vice President Gore
Education at its finest -- I wonder if this is what they mean by No Child Left Behind?
Britons, avoid this nightmare by voting Conservative,
The Conservatives who took Britain into the European Union and signed The Treaty of Rome
The Conservatives who signed The Single European Act
The Conservatives who signed The Maastricht Treaty
http://eutruth.org.uk/
The six treaties are:
1. The European Communities Act 1972. [Conservative Govt]
2. The Single European Act, 1986.
[Conservative Govt]
3. The Maastricht Treaty, 1992.
[Conservative Govt]
4. The Amsterdam Treaty, 1997.
[Labour Govt]
5. The Nice Treaty 2001.
[Labour Govt]
6. The European Union Treaty, 2003.
[Labour Govt]
Yes indeed the Conservatives did some questionable things, but what is the way forward? Are UKIP going to form a credible government. And our priority is to throw this current rabble out. We are in a unique position, lets not waste it. The people need to band together and tell the Tories what it is we want in order to vote them back in. And then when they are back in, we make sure they stick to their promises. If they don't, then at that stage we can get radical. At least lets just throw these Socialists out, and look to the future.
Is there a related story to this piece about Queen Isabella spinning in her grave?
Well Izzie, old girl, you gave it a valiant try but your country seems destined for self-immolation.
Dhimmitude from our Government, and dhimmitude from the publishing house, as well.
It so happens that "Ediciones SM", the publishing house of the book is Catholic...
The public announcement by the Government of the first Islamic manual for schools has not been welcomed by the population. Our leaders are, certainly, dhimmi. But the population at large is not: actually most of the people here feel instinctive mistrust of Muslims; and history does play a big role in shaping popular attitudes. Sooner or later this is something which will show up, no doubt.
As for voting Conservatives in the UK, I am sorry, but I see no prospect for a resolute fight against dhimmitude (or against anything at all) in David Cameron.
The issue is not so much the EU as the fact that all European progressives help each other through many EU institutions and the constant feed-back and personal liaisons that they promote.
Conveniently managed, the EU could also serve the opposite purpose, as it is actually very important now, to fight the Jihad, to recall what Europe actually is and means.
Pluralism and Harmony --
In the USA, we call this concept "the big melting pot", and more recently, certain pundits have half-facetiously, half-seriously offered variations on the theme, such as "America is a stir-fry", or "America is a big jambalaya", etc.
I guess Spain is a "Paella" now:
Ingredients for Spanish Paella:
rice
onions
garlic
tomatoes
orange rinds
Neapolitan azaroles
zucchini
chicken
pork*
Mediterranean shrimp
Azorian prawns
Moorish scorpions**
*(Justice Ministry inspects kitchen and removes pork)
**(concerned chef tells Justice Ministry inspector that the Moorish scorpions are still wriggling and their telsons have venom; the Justice Ministry inspector tells chef he is wrong -- there is no venom)
Help me out here. I see constant rants against multiculturalism, yet it was to prevent rank discrimination against Jews, blacks, Irish, Italians etc that the idea of multicultural toleration was invented.
My mothers great grand parents were German Jews, and sure could have used some multiculturalism.
But every time I see some boy in a yarmulka, or some Chassidic Jew in black clothes, long beard, side locks and big hat...I'll consider the rant against multiculturalism.
How about coming up with a consistent, as opposed to a hypocritical, rant and position.
Yes, Nariz, this illustrates well that road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I believe that the elites around 1965, when they embraced multiculti, were totally ignorant about Islam.
And it is spiritual pride that makes them deny that even now, when the effects of Islam on the West can be seen very clearly.
For some of the Jewish left-leaning intellectuals, who supported multiculti as a way to get Jews more safety in the West, it must be a shock to find that it caused a very opposite effect.
The issue is not so much the EU as the fact that all European progressives help each other through many EU institutions and the constant feed-back and personal liaisons that they promote.
Conveniently managed, the EU could also serve the opposite purpose, as it is actually very important now, to fight the Jihad, to recall what Europe actually is and means.
And so we demonstrate why the EU is such a bad thing. A (supposed) Spaniard thinks that it will stop the Jihad, and a Briton thinks that its Leftist leanings will aid it. These views might represent the greater views of the populations of each country. Where is the commonality? Tell me, what exactly does Europe mean, and how is that going to stop a Jihad?
To me, Continental Europe is about dictatorship and expansionism. That is not my tradition. Britain was built upon trade and industry, free thought and ideas, a focus on how best to rule OURSELVES, how best to protect BRITISH INTERESTS and those of her people. Continental Europe continues in this tradition by trying to impose one context for life on a diversity of peoples. It is in the Tradition of Napoleon, Franco, Mussilini, Hitler and Stalin.
David Cameron, David Davis, Liam Fox, William Hague, someone is going to take us out of the EU if that is what the BRITSIH want. Do you not get it yet?
While I am at it. The Spanish did really good at fighting Jihad after the Madrid bombings, didn't they? Compare that with the British response after 7/7. Our BRAVE boys are still dying in the Mid East fighting Jihadist - hand to hand. Cos this is what you have to do to defeat it, not hide behind the likes of Barroso or Prodi or Dapper Zapa.
OK next subject, Muliti-culturism bad, multi-tradition, diversity and tolerance in the framework of one culture good. And the best culture is one of freedom where there are the conditions for diversity and tolerance.
The European model doesn't follow this because the European culture is not one of freedom - and especially as it is expressed in the very nature of the long-winded constitution. If the European culture was one of freedom, then the conditions would exist for diveristy and tolerance to flourish - i.e. the ability of a people to express itself as a nation.
I haven't seen this book yet but I've seen a couple of pages in the papers. It's in Spanish and Arabic - with the Spanish on top of the Arabic - and is teaching muslim kids the basic rules of the religion. Of course I'd rather they forgot about islam altogether but as I'm in the "islam needs reform rather than wiping out camp" I don't have a problem with the book. I'll explain why.
A lot of our muslim immigrants nowadays are from Mauretania and such places where their idea of islam is likely to be even dodgier than that of the book's author, Riay Tatary. He's the one who dished the fatwa on Bin Laden after the Madrid bombings and to date it's the best, if not the only, acceptably totally unequivocal condemnation of Al Qaeda. He's the only islamic leader I know of in Europe who I'd trust to write a book for young muslims. I doubt words like "unbeliever" will be in the book.
For the "Spain is doomed" lot, I'll tell you again that it's not. Christianity is still taken seriously here even among young men, unlike the UK or Holland. There is a massive and potentially very violent catholic majority still, and while they might not give a shit about gay marriage they're still a very long way from accepting islamic laws.
On one's tax forms there is still a box you have to tick if you'd rather a % of your taxes went to humanitarian concerns rather than the catholic church. The government does not translate anything into Arabic beyond the road signs directing Arabic speakers to Algeciras port where they can leave for Africa. And nobody gets benefits until they've paid into the system for at least a year.
I work with sub-Saharan muslims and they neither pray nor ask for Friday off. They are well aware that if they complain they'll find eastern Europeans doing their jobs, and they don't want to complain anyway. All in all we're in a far better case than anyone else in western Europe.
I should make it clear I'm not denying the cowardice charge - our reaction to the Madrid bombings was shameful. But since the Madrid bombings support in Spain for the Palestinians has diminished greatly everywhere except Zapatero's head. But then in a roundabout way he does have to largely thank them for his office.
I also forgot to mention that the largest part of our immigration is from Latin America, and staunchly catholic. On top of them, another large immigrant group would contribute several battalions of the Queen's Own Lager Louts, and the Royal Regiment of Footballl Hooligans. Many of them came here from places like Bradford. They didn't do that because of our impending islamisation, did they now?