Atta is on the right
"Despite the deadly tasks the men had been assigned, they appear in high spirits, laughing and smiling in front of the camera." They knew they were going to Paradise. From the TimesOnline, with thanks to all who sent this in:
FILM of the ringleader of the September 11 hijackers reading his “martyrdom” will inside Afghanistan at Osama Bin Laden’s headquarters has emerged five years after the Al-Qaeda outrage.It is the first time that a videotape has appeared of Mohammed Atta — who flew an American Airlines plane into the north tower of the World Trade Center — at a training camp in Afghanistan. It fills in a significant gap in the timing of the build-up to the attacks on the United States.
Dates on the tape show Atta was filmed on January 18, 2000, together with Ziad Jarrah, the pilot of United Airlines flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after the passengers apparently stormed the flight deck....
Despite the deadly tasks the men had been assigned, they appear in high spirits, laughing and smiling in front of the camera. Only when Atta, with an AK-47 propped on a wall beside him, reads a document marked in Arabic “the will”, does he become solemn. Both are well groomed, without the haggard appearance of the identity mugshots issued after September 11.
The high quality, unedited film shows Bin Laden addressing his followers at the mud-walled complex near Kandahar. One of the main figures in the September 11 plot, Ramzi Binalshibh, is identifiable in the crowd, as is a bodyguard whose task was to kill Bin Laden with two bullets to the head if he faced capture.
Dating on the tape indicates that the Al-Qaeda leader was filmed on January 8, 2000, 10 days before Atta and Jarrah recorded their wills.
American and German investigators have struggled to find evidence of Atta’s whereabouts in January 2000 after he disappeared from Hamburg. The hour-long tape places him in Afghanistan at a decisive moment in the development of the conspiracy when he was given operational command. Months later both he and Jarrah enrolled at flying schools in America.
Investigators have also puzzled over the fact that unlike the rest of the hijackers — most of whom were young Saudi fundamentalists — Atta and Jarrah were well educated and appeared to fit into western society while studying in Germany. The video indicates how easily they slipped from a western identity to a fundamentalist one. It also shows up the subterfuge they maintained in Germany and America that they did not know each other, all part of evading detection.
Video here.
Another insult to the non-Muslim world.
Investigators have also puzzled over the fact that unlike the rest of the hijackers — most of whom were young Saudi fundamentalists — Atta and Jarrah were well educated and appeared to fit into western society while studying in Germany
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Here is a clue for those puzzled investigators:
It's not about economics, Israel, or the U.S.
It's about Islamic Ideology. An ideology that goes beyond income or education. An ideology that seeks to destroy the West.
Jews, Christian, Atheist, Hedonist, Puritan, and Agnostic a like.
Hopefully, our world leaders will stop puzzling before we all lose our heads.
"They KNEW they were going to Paradise"?
Who gets the last laugh when they find out where they really go?
This is why profiling is an important tool for the West in combatting this menace. Why let more of these bastards in pretending to be students or whatever? PC should go the way of these 2 monsters if we're to survive.
Yeah, this is another insult. But unlike the Islamaniacs we won't be rioting and protesting. At least we can feel reassured that these smiling demons are rotting in hell now. Small comfort, but it will have to do.
Can you imagine having to service those two in Hades? You know, the koran talks about 72 virgins, but does not mention gender, except to talk about boys as pearls. Me thinks that you have guys like these two monsters being penetrated by other monsters, who like them, never got laid. They are all virgins.
You see, that explains the mathematical conundrum as to how there can be so many virgins for each one of these muslim murderers. Logically there can't be. Real virgins would have run out a long time ago.
It works like this:
These muslim murderers are all sexually repressed, many are latent homosexuals. I don't think Atta touched a woman in his life. If he did, it was to strangle her. So he was a virgin. I bet most of the magnificant 19 were virgins. So what this means is that when they go to the afterlife, they are presented with other muslim, murdering males, who are themelves, virgins. That way they end up in this depraved sexual orgy with each other, in this never ending circle, thereby satisfying the 72 virgins promise by being virgins for each new terrorist that enters, pun intended.
Basically, they are screwing each other.
That is islam.
Small comfort, but it will have to do.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
Please also tell it to the Jews of Banu Qurazah, the Zoroastrians, the Byzantines, the Pagans, (nobody seems to be bothered by a couple of million deaths here), the Hindus, the Buddhists. Tell them that they were murdered, thier lands taken, but the ones who did it are going to hell. Maybe it will set them free.
Investigators have also puzzled over the fact that unlike the rest of the hijackers — most of whom were young Saudi fundamentalists — Atta and Jarrah were well educated and appeared to fit into western society while studying in Germany. The video indicates how easily they slipped from a western identity to a fundamentalist one. It also shows up the subterfuge they maintained in Germany and America that they did not know each other, all part of evading detection.
Here's a clue......They are not evading detection, they are Muslims!
God willing, of course.
Hey Naseem...........You got a job yet?
Despite the deadly tasks the men had been assigned, they appear in high spirits, laughing and smiling in front of the camera.
Mass murder is what makes these people happy, so of they're yukking it up.
* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *
Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.
--- Mohammed talking bloodlust in Tabari 9:69
Ok, we got the bloodthirst thing nailed, but what about the fun element?
The battle cry of the Companions of Mohammed that night was: "Kill! Kill! Kill!"
There's the fun.
hey arjun.sevak the Hindu God would have them come back as camel waiting to be serviced by other muslims! l prefer to think Hindu have a good way to get back at these monsters, paybacks a bitch.
Oriana Fallaci - who, being a very female woman indeed, had an eye for those things - pointed out early on the pretty-boy, carefully groomed appearance of all these murderers. It all speaks of a self-regard and self-love that is the very opposite of what both pagan and Christian, Buddhist and Hindu, mean by surrendering the self to God. The Christian saint, the Pagan philosopher, the Hindu renouncer, often leave the impression of not caring much for their appearance; at some points in time they have been positively dirty, at others they have at best conformed with an official standard of dress. To these men, on the contrary, death is the height of narcissism. Islam may teach the death of Self, but it does not seem to do a very good job of it.
They do, however, remind me of one well-known historical group: the murderous homosexual ruling class of Sparta, the Homoioi. These people, who ruled their own country by murder - they declared war annually on their own slaves so as to have the right to kill any of them who became too independent or powerful - and whose laws included the right for the five ruling Ephors ("watchers") to kill anyone without trial, were very fond of their looks. Any time they prepared to deal death, Herodotus tells us, they had their hair done. And they were fond of dying in battle. Gee whiz, remind you of anyone?
Whoops - my apologies to Buddhists, who do not, of course, believe in surrendering the self to God. Their overcoming of the Self is a wholly different kind of idea. The fact that I think it mistaken does not mean that I should not acknowledge it for what it is.
Zena,
Hit the link several times today in some threads, but can't open your site. IE gives 'page can't be displayed' and in the address bar, I get this (copy pasted) http://zenawarriorprincess/
Sicko's!
"They knew they were going to Paradise"
Well, if this is Jihadist Paradise, count me out. Religion of peace (piece).
Caution, graphic link!
atheling asked
We do.
George and Laura!
Here are some nice, smiling islamic faces!
May I suggest that you add them to your website at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/ramadan/2006/
along with the other nice smiling faces and your lovely Ramadan messege!
This will really help with my argument with someone who is saying that the 11/9 attacks were done by the US government including Bush themselves. Bush wasent even in power at the time of this tape. Thanks for exposing this item to me.
The thing that caught my eye on this story was that the “martyrdom” tape was recorded almost two years before the attack. The fact that it has been five years since the 9/11 attacks should not give us a sense of relief. This is not over yet, we're just getting started.
Please also tell it to the Jews of Banu Qurazah, the Zoroastrians, the Byzantines, the Pagans, (nobody seems to be bothered by a couple of million deaths here), the Hindus, the Buddhists. Tell them that they were murdered, thier lands taken, but the ones who did it are going to hell. Maybe it will set them free.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at October 1, 2006 03:24 PM
No doubt these 2 pigs have a lot of company in hell considering the bloody history of Islamania.
Hell must be endlessly large to accomodate the past and (unfortunately) future murderers of this cult.
How it sickens me to see these men's faces, knowing what misery they ended up inflicting on thousands of people.
They have met the true God now, and will be paying for their evil deeds, without rest, for all eternity.
When you hear about the poverty, lack of education for the root cause of islamic terrorism, you just need to do a little more digging and see the many muslim terrorist are very well educated and come from wealthy families and or middle class. then you can also tell the muslim apppologists that what about poor people of other relgions, do they put on bomb belts and go out and kill innocent civilians. even the "Christian Arab has not put on the bomb belts.. so you know in islam when you get relgious you become a killer.
Charming chaps who my granny would enjoy a nice cup of tea with over a pleasant chat about the oneness of all religions. Devils in disguise. But then the Devil isn't likely to turn up with horns and a scaley body. He has a nice smile and courteous manner.
Investigators have also puzzled over the fact that unlike the rest of the hijackers — most of whom were young Saudi fundamentalists
What the hell is a Saudi fundamentalists ?
What really gives me concern is the way they melted into the shadows everywhere they went. They looked and acted like any Westernized, Muslim in Name Only kind of Muslim. Like those engineers I have met over the past forty years. Hmmmm. Another reason to profile, another reason to look twice at every one of them another reason to bug every mosque in the US. The devout, Sincere Muslim cannot keep the charade indefinitely, they will make little errors that will give them away.
The laughing 9/11 bombers
We'll see who laughs last.
They shave their pubic areas and perfume their genitals before slaughtering us.
Mohammed Itself liked his women shaved. Men and women alike depilitate down there. It is a very creepy religion.
I only knew one person killed in the Twin Towers. He was a customer (Luke Dudeck) who was refinancing his mortgage and I was at his house in Livingston New Jersey on 3/3/2001. He worked in the restaurant Windows on the World. He was very concerned that his mortgage wasn't going to be approved. He was a little nervous. I said to him, "You don't trust people-do you"? He just looked at me. I said, "Fess up. You're talking to Frank. You think I might just take your money and that's it. Right?" I told him: "It's a no brain-er. You are not going to have a problem. Trust me." The ice melted. He just laughed and laughed and then we talked about other things.
Since he worked at Windows on the World the conversation turned to the 1993 attack. He was there. He told me how the tower shook. Our last words were re terrorism. I said I thought that the Mideast was headed for a catastrophe. I sat in my truck and he was at the window. He said, "They are all crazy over there, Frank." We shook hands through the window and I said, "Luke. It's a no brain er man." He smiled and waved as I drove away.
Little did I know that the bastards in this film would kill this guy. His big concern was his elderly mother who was very dependant on him. I cannot believe that a just God will not avenge Dudeck. 1300 years of Muslim bloodshed via Mohammad and the Mideast, 1300 years of deception, of oppression, of Arab Imperialism, will end in the vaporizing of Mecca and Medina and all the violence will be paid back to Muslims with compo9und interest.
I have a very strong intuition on this.
BTW, Dudeck's refi was appoved without a problem.
They shave their pubic areas and perfume their genitals before slaughtering us. Mohammed Itself liked his women shaved. Men and women alike depilitate down there. It is a very creepy religion. Posted by poetcomic1
In another article I posted a fatwa from Ask Imam:
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=13883
I have a rather low opinion of this practice and it has nothing to do with hygiene. The belief that Mohammed was a pedophile is beyond a mere belief. The reason the Mohammed insisted that women shaved their pubic areas was to give the illusion of a prepubescent child.
Please correct me if I'm wrong:
Wasn't Ziad Yarra the son of a Maroccan father and a German mother? Did this guy not grow up in Germany? Was he not the only married man among the 19 hijackers? I remember seeing a news-flick when German police arrested a female in full burkha after 9/11, after that I knew everything!
they have a far off leftlooney saying the film of these monsters was a setup and that they did not do it, and or worked for the neocons and Bush's people can you believe the claptrap they put on netscape. at leaast most of the posters there have not agreed with this nutjob.
Norwegian TV Channel TV 2 will show Mohammad cartoons.
http://norwegiannews.blogspot.com/
Now that is great news. And it will cause the Islamic seethe counter to hit the roof. Whatever Muslims do now they will be exposed.
>>>Please correct me if I'm wrong:
Wasn't Ziad Yarra the son of a Maroccan father and a German mother? Did this guy not grow up in Germany? Was he not the only married man among the 19 hijackers? I remember seeing a news-flick when German police arrested a female in full burkha after 9/11, after that I knew everything!
Posted by: sheik yer'mami
Here is a synopsis of the movie. It is certainly worth watching. Shown on HBO in the US.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0398093/
I was born a muslim, but I am too much of a scientist to believe in any religion. But as I have brown skin and look like one, i know i wont be accepted as a westerner esp in todays climate.
I have stumbled onto this site recently, and am shocked by the hatred shown by some very intelligent people who frequent this site.
I too believe in some of the stuff Islam is accused of, but you guys way over the top.
Have you this much hatred because you are actually petrified by lets say the 9/11 hijackers.
They must have been brave to carry out these attacks you have to give them that.
I know muslims have contributed jack in the last 1000 yrs, but they dont die for 72 virgins, not many virgins in western society is there. They die because the west has taken advantage of them for the last 100 yrs and now they have the temerity to attack back.
Dont talk about terrorism until you explain to me the logic behind Israel dropping 1000s cluster bombs in the last three days before the ceasefire, when they knew of the forthcoming ceasefire. This has meant that on average 10 die a day, even now, because those bomblets are activated. This is terrorism, but when it comes from Israel I suppose it is self-defence.
All religion should be outlawed. When you say Islam causes all the probs and list all those countries, one should remember that there are 56 OIC states so there is bound to be strife in some, because the USA needs the energy.
For gods sake( I love the USA, Marlboros, Coca-Cola, Mcdonalds, Hollywood and the best porn) why dont the USA find some alternative energy source and we can all live in peace.
About mo being a peado, I will go as far as to say that he was a highly sexed man, remember he lived in a hot country and there probably weren't much entertainment but because muslims shave he is a peado, why do men have to shave then and under the arms.
To me there were 19 men who carried out a mission and the USA now blames a billion muslims, this is called collective guilt.
I do think moderate muslims should be doing a lot more to stand up to extremists, because the bottom line is that those muslims living in the West who cant obey the law the land should leave to go back to the stunted lands they came from.
What disgusts me when seeing the pix of these 2 turds is the fact that their body parts couldn't be determined from those of their victims. It's a shame their parts couldn't have been removed and fed to the pigs but even pigs wouldn't want to have anything to do with these devils.
If the point of releasing this video was to insult the West,mission accompished. If the point was to show them as people,forget it. Garbage is garbage,only this type stinks worse than any other.
"Have you this much hatred because you are actually petrified by lets say the 9/11 hijackers."
How about plain outrage? Sometimes that outrage comes out in harsh words.
Christian girls murdered in Indonesia.
A nun shot in the back in Somalia over words, merely words.
Pattani, Thailand, a man is shot in the head by Islamists after dropping his kids off at school.
Denver, Colorado, saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
Better we spew harsh words than harsh deeds, eh?
Thanks to The Religion of Peace (website)for the easily copied catalog of terrorist attacks.
They die because the west has taken advantage of them for the last 100 yrs and now they have the temerity to attack back.,
Examples of how they have been taken advantage of, please. While you're at it, you can explain how these Western transgressions influence terrorism in the Philipines and Thailand.
"Have you this much hatred because you are actually petrified by lets say the 9/11 hijackers.
They must have been brave to carry out these attacks you have to give them that."
Choc,
That is an amazing question. Suicide is the most cowardly act one can commit. To take others along with you for the ride is cruel.
Why aren't YOU upset by people who do this in the name of the religion that you were raised in? Would you love people who laughed about their plans to kill your friends and family?
choc said
That pretty much sums up what it means to be an American, eh? Some might mention freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, etc. But you're right, Dad usually looked at the best porn while Mom smoked cigarettes and drank softdrinks as she baked that proverbial apple pie.
I don't know about the hot country stuff, I haven't heard the medical evidence that heat is the cause of pedophilia. Here in the Southwest U.S., I don't hear about swarms of people raping children on hot days. And I don't see the link between men shaving their face and underarms, and women shaving their genitals, but I guess it depends on your sexual practices.
There have been a few attacks since 9/11/2001, and there were a few wars before 9/11. I don't think the "Glorious 19" committed all of that violence. They also didn't write the Qur'an that contains many instructions to commit violent acts against the infidels.
After 9/11 the french paper LE MONDE wrote WE ARE ALL AMERICAN, why cant you give the same right to muslims when we see state sponsored terrorism by Israel.
Heck you made ARiel Sharon leader even when he sanctioned the killing of 2000 palestinian refugees in Beirut in 1983.
They didnt have a minutes silence.
All killings are EVIL when it involves innocents be it CHristian nuns, I was esp sickened by the killing of 3 schoolgirls in indonesia, there is no defence, but to say it was pious muslims it is wrong.
You have killing all over the world, sick people do sick crimes just because it happens to use religion as an excuse does not mean it is the religion at fault. It is the sick people.
The thing about Thailand, I fully agree with you that some nutjobs use religion as an excuse but these sickos would have killed even if there was no religion.
America has more than its fair share of sick crime.
EVIL people are evil people no matter what religion(or lack off) they are wrapped in.
choc-
You just stumbled on the site recently? I think that's a croc, choc. I think you're a croc, choc.
"You have killing all over the world, sick people do sick crimes just because it happens to use religion as an excuse does not mean it is the religion at fault. It is the sick people.
Choc sound as if he is one of Pres. Bush's speechwriters.
Instead of individuals, now we have sick people who have hijacked a peaceful religion to justify their actions.
Choc, can you deny the Muslim desire to destroy the West, given the events of just the last thirty years? Here is but a snippet:
1. In November 1979, Islamic terrorists took control of the Great Mosque in Mecca. In Islamabad, a Muslim mob was outraged. The response was to attack and burn - the U.S. Embassy. What had the US done to the people of Islamabad and how did it attack the Grand Mosque?
2. "The war with Israel is not about a treaty, a cease-fire agreement, Sykes-Picot borders, national zeal, or disputed borders. It is rather a jihad for the sake of God until the religion of God is established."
The words of Ayman al-Zawahiri. He says point-blank that Israel is not the cause of this jihad. I have to assume that there is nothing Israel can do to bring it to an end, and so all peace overtures are pointless. Best that the Israelis simply defend themselves and respond with overwhelming force each and every time they're attacked. Let Hezbollah beware (which brings me to number 3).
3. "Let the entire world hear me. Our hostility to the Great Satan is absolute," Hezbollah's Hassan Nasrallah said in 2002. "Death to America will remain our reverberating and powerful slogan."
No reason given and obviously no avenue for peace. Can you shed light?
4. Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad proclaimed in 2005: "[We] will soon experience a world without the United States, and Zionism and will breathe in the brilliant time of Islamic sovereignty over today's world."
Again, no reason given. I take "the brilliant time of Islamic sovereignty over today's world" to mean just what it says: Muslims seek to rule the world. Can you prove me wrong?
5. "It is not the world against Iraq. It is the West against Islam," wrote Safar Al-Hawali, dean of Islamic Studies at Umm Al-Qura University in Mecca.
This last quote, however, is not from 2003 - it is from 1990, and Hawali was speaking about the first Gulf War. Wasn't the Gulf War paid for by the Saudis and supported by most governments of the Middle East? How is it the West against Islam?
What you see as hatred is a combination of outrage and frustration. Why AREN'T "PEACEFUL MUSLIMS" doing more to stop this? For every terrorist, there is a "non-violent" Muslim who knows what he plans to do, if not when. Those who know beforehand but keep silent are equally guilty. You are trying to have your cake and eat it, too. No go.
The thing I said about America i.e coke and porn was tongue in cheek, the vast majority of Americans are cool.
I love the fact the Americans have advanced Science the furthest in the fewest years. Respect.
The Americans have the greatest creativity and free thinking, for that I applaud them. But you do have Chritian fundamentalist who believe in the end-time and support Israel in the suppression of Palestinians. See every culture has its nutters.
But i dont like the way that colombus discoverd the usa, as if the natives were waiting to be discovered like as if they were doing nothing meanwhile.
I think the hijackers are going straight to hell, and if it were my family being treated as collateral i would be as sick as anyone who has loved killed by murderers, but you do have to say that they were brave in their own twisted way.
The shaving thing, i wasnt clear enough. I was saying that as men also have to shave their pubes you cant say mo was a peado cos it would only be females who shaved. Cos its both sexes it must be hygienic, believe being bought up as muslim, they are big for hygiene. Even snipping nose hair.
"Heck you made ARiel Sharon leader even when he sanctioned the killing of 2000 palestinian refugees in Beirut in 1983."
Who made Ariel Sharon leader? I'm not a resident of Israel, so it wasn't me. Do you believe that the US installed Sharon?
" ... they are big for hygiene. Even snipping nose hair."
Snipping nose hair - bogus. Nose hair acts as a respiratory filter. Snipping nose hair is counter-productive.
Speaking of cleanliness, explain wudu without water and beards measured by the fist.
I swear that I stumbled onto this site recently, in actual fact I typed jihad into google to see what the freedom haters were upto cos im writing something about moderate muslims and their inaction in this world. I thought this was a pro jihadi site, until the hate hit me. Like I said i believe in evolution, we came from monkeys not the other way round as the koran says about some people, but i cant escape the fact that Isalm needs someone to tango with and Capitalism is what it has found.
The education these fellows have is just enough for them to appreciate how inadequate their own backward societies are when compared to the current standards. For example this Atta character is supposed to be a student of urban planning; was he a Lewis Mumford or Janet Jacobs perhaps? Did he appreciate that the World Trade Centre represented a genius of planning to overcome congestion in that part of New York? The answer is obviously no, he understood that his own culture could never come up with with something similar this. So he reacted in the way that half-educated parvenus do all over the world : with rage and jealousy. This then is the substance of their heducation; they find that you made it and they didn't and it fills them with choler and frustration considering that according to their cult they are the ubermen.
Its is all the explanation one needs to understand their motivations. This was pretty much laid out in an essay by David Pryce-Jones that came out in the aftermath of Sep 11. The authour of Proverbs, Shakespeare and Joseph Conrad had a better handle on this than many of our modern pundits. Jesus Christ Himself weighed on this matter when He pointed out that at a wedding one should not hanker after the high table with the honoured guests.
choc- maybe the men shaving rule was because Aisha, like most little girls, didn't like a hairy man? That made him more acceptable to her. It becomes his new rule made for everybody. To explain away his behavior.
The muslims have been fighting forever. Read history. Italy was invaded. Spain. France. Austria. Algeria. Nigeria. and on and on.
The muslims used their sea power to attack ships to gain wealth. Even hundreds of years ago records of suicide ship attacks against merchants. Just like the attacks against the caravans on land.
Violence from the start.
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/2002_winter_spring/terrorism.htm
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/ambberica.htm
THe aid that The usa gives to Israel is the only thing that makes it tick. Dont get me wrong the Zionist have done more in 50 odd years than the rest of the middle east has done in hundreds put together but of course the Usa has a big say all i wanted to make clear is that the USA forgives him for his killing because he kills in their cause.
About nose hair, i didn't mean all the nose hair I meant the visible nose hair. Wudu without water is only performed when there is no water, i suppose they may have had a problem with that that in 7th century arabia.
as for the beard length, you lost me. Is it the fact that it is hair .
If there is any hate expressed on this site it is directed exclusively toward Islam. I have read of no hatred expressed about Hinduism, Budhism, Judaism, Shintoism, atheism, agnosticism or even Jehova's Witnesses. Why is that?
PMK
Yes fundamentalist are trying to take over the world in ways open to them, but you have christian fundamentalist using their own methods to do the same. I liken the muslims doing muggings using violence to rob u, but the christo-fundists are like those white-collar criminals who rob just the same but without the violence. (i.e bank fraud)
the mugger staels less but more menacingly while the other robs more but in a peaceful way.
Both religions are trying to fulfil the prophecies written in their respective books.
And the worst thing is that both are crap philosophies. LIVE and LET LIVE.
Wudu without water is performed with "clean sand" in place of water. In the South we call it dirt. Are you really a Muslim?
The logical answer is that when there is no water, one does not rub "clean sand" over themselves.
Ayman al-Zawahiri explained this year. "It is rather a jihad for the sake of God until the religion of God is established."
And that is why it will NEVER stop. Even if some moderate muslims don't participate.
Posters on this site realize it.
Even if others don't.
Choc finally got it right...The sick people of Islam
are jihadists. Since ALL muslims are 'obligated' to participate in jihad, ALL muslims are sick.
We are in agreement there, as I have said in other places, Islam creates psychotic episodes in muslims.
The symptom of jihad is one of them...
choc,
Hello! Wake up! all Muslims are accomplices in varying degrees because they never protested against those "few" who "are supposed to be giving you guys a bad name".
No Muslim, except for very few dissenting ones that were quickly silenced, took bold and convincing steps to prove:
1-that this violent act was abhorrent to Muslims
2-That it won't happen again.
So we are here wondering what Muslims are going to come up with next against us Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and freedom-loving people.
Please don't come with your "we Muslims are not guilty". You are not fooling anyone.
I am glad that those two laughing devils are in hellfire now.
To Choc
You and all the other MSM have forgotten one very important fact about this stupid situation in lebanon.(A hijacked country).
It frankly gives me the S**** that everyone has conveniently forgotten that hisbollah was sending katyusha rockets into Israel as fast as they could.
It wasn't just about the kidnapped soldiers.
Do you seriously believe that the Israeli's should be sitting ducks when all their neighbours have vowed to destroy them???
So they used cluster bombs - big F*&^ing deal!!
Are you saying this is immoral in a full-fledged war?? Better tell GWB then.
Can't you guys get over Israel? One tiny pathetic little country and your blood boils!
But it is more than that isn't it? It is jealously. Israel is the coalmine canary for the West. The Jews were there first. The Palestinians had their chance with Barak and blew it. Blame Arafat the pedophile - not the Israelis.
What is REALLY immoral is hisbollah hiding behind women and children and causing their deaths.
I am sceptical about the number of "civilian" casualties in lebanon. I bet most of them were those "brave, invisible" members of hisbollah.
When and where have muslims suffered? Mostly at the hands of other muslims as far as I can tell, although I am sure there are other posters here who know heaps more than I do.
If it weren't for the west your ilk wouldn't even have oil.
When Saddam invaded Kuwait, who helped them? In Bosnia who helped them? Not other muslims that is for sure!!
They are the most cowardly bunch under the sun, and now even the wealthy saudi's don't give a s*** what happens to the palestinians, and they didn't give a s*** about the muslims who suffered in the tsunami,Dafur or anywhere else.
You can sit there and type that these hijackers are brave??? Is this a sick joke?? They did it cos they were so brain-washed they wanted their virgins.
Sex-maniacal killers, cowards and liars. I have even read they put cotton wool around their penises so they don't get damaged in the homicide misssions!
Don't smell fear on this site.Smell enlightenment!
This site contains the TRUTH as outlined by Hugh and Robert, and many other good sources including Muslims who had the guts to leave this pernicious death cult.
This is what I call brave - a homicide bomber is not brave - he is mentally unhinged. He is a psychopath!
If you are so much of a scientist,,I suggest some further studies as perhaps you are a cut above the rest of your co-religionists, and perhaps there is still hope for you.
Your "reilgion" has been taken over by dangerous lunatics. I hope you go out of your way to do something about it because I know everyone here would support you.
AHHHHH! I have said before on this site, nothing makes me more pissed than these people celebrating (Or smiling in the picture) about September 11. I think we all know where those bastards are; and they are not having some orgy in the sky.
I know the point of this site is to expose the mentality of jihad and threats are not welcome, but when the west (Mainly the US) is attacked again the streets will flow red. Every day it is getting closer to each of our homes.
Like APF says “Be armed and ready”, I am and so are many others. We hunt and know how to track. All of small town America is ready. This I am sure of.
These monsters will not win this war.
They must have been brave to carry out these attacks you have to give them that.
No, they were fantatical, and made so by adhering to the commands of the Koran and Sunnah.
I know muslims have contributed jack in the last 1000 yrs...
Make that 1,396 yrs and you'd be entirely correct.
... but they dont die for 72 virgins...
True, they die for world takeover, the permanent obliteration of freedom and free thought. That is their goal. But, looking at the Koran and hadiths, you must admit that there is always a hint of porno infusing every Moslem jihadi. Young boys like hidden pearls... men on thrones... approaching one another with questioning eyes. (Cf. the Koran.) Allah's erect babblings in that surah reads like a tag line for the North American Man-Boy Love Assocation.
So hypocritical. So insidious. So Islamic. So dangerous.
... not many virgins in western society is there.
That's none of their goddamn business. Until we got stupid enough to start letting Moslems into this country, there weren't any men worshipping scripture that, a hundred times over, promises pedopilic sex, sex slaves, stolen cash and goods, and sinecure wages of jizya protection payments in exchange for mass murder.
They die because the west has taken advantage of them for the last 100 yrs...
The Moslems, in particular the Arabs, Maghrebs, and Persians, suffered little or not at all at the hands of colonialism. What was there to exploit in Dar al Islam? Certainly not labor, intellectual property, or hard-earned treasure. And no conquering armies would have any interest in Moslimas.
And when the Brits and Americans discovered the oil that the Moslems were too stupid to find themselves, and developed the resource which Moslems were too incompetent to develop themselves, the Moslems were always paid in full for the oil taken.
The filth and social chaos that characterizes Moslem countries, particularly the ones without oil, stems from the Koran and Sunnah, and in-breeding, not from infidel exploitation. I refer you to the immense amount of charity given them by white people (for far too long, I might add).
... and now they have the temerity to attack back.
Moslems have on the verbal attack for 1,396 yrs, and on the murder attack for 1,383 yrs. It has been ceaseless, and will not end until the Koran and Sunnah are ended.
You can look it up. It's right there in the Islamic scriptures and sacralized histories, as sordid as those awful books are.
What could be more poorly written, more nonsensical, more hateful, more self-serving, more hypocritical, and more dangerous than the Koran?
Nothing. Nothing in world history. The Koran and Sunnah are the lowest, and Moslems are the worst.
"Who gets the last laugh when they find out where they really go?"
--posted by atheling
See them squatting on the coals
telling other "faithful" souls:
"If it weren't for the Jews
we'd all be drinking booze
banging virgins with dark eyes
in the promised paradise."
{adapted from the doggerel by anonymous)
choc said
Islam's violence predates the beginnings of Capitalism. Islam has break-danced with Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, Christians, Jews, Bahais, Communists, Capitalists, Socialists, and anyone else it has come in contact with. Islam is an equal opportunity destroyer.
'Choc' is a bunch of Croc!
We can never hate the Mohammedans like they hate US:
WE have never learned to hate THEM like they hate US!
Choc, YOU know that!
Mohammedans suck the hatred in with the mothers milk, there is no beginning and no end to the hatred and the indoctrination in the mental desert of Islamic countries...
If I say: "As I have a right to love I have a right to hate those who want to take that away from me..."
...and since Islam has NOTHING, nothing that I could possibly want, I hate to see our -admittedly decadent- society infiltrated and under-wandered by those who bring us hatred, terror and an intolerant belief-system that divides the world in US and THEM... with us being the target of subversion, subjugation, conquest, Dhimmitude and destruction...
I want Mohammedanism stopped dead in its tracks!
INTERNMENT & DEPORTATIONS, NOW!
Smoke that!
jihadgooglingchoc,
yes, I also rue the fact Israel dropped so few cluster bombs. Also mournful that so many of you are still out there with your spiel about "moderate islime".
"Investigators have also puzzled over the fact.... were well educated and appeared to fit into western society while studying in Germany".
Aboard the same bashinfidel wagon are, savvy taqiya indian islimes -- cheerleaders of terrorists like shabana azmis and javed akthars (of indian film industry) so fondly courted by bbc.
Crows&Cows
Of course the BBC would. Please read this excerpt from Eurabia Code in Dhimmiwatch next door:
"Over the past three decades, the EEC and the EU's political and cultural organizations have invented a fantasy Islamic civilization and history. The historical record of violations of basic human rights for all non-Muslims and women under sharia (Islamic Law) is either ignored or dismissed. In this worldview the only dangers come from the United States and Israel. The creators of Eurabia have conducted a successful propaganda campaign against these two countries in the European media..."
It explains the attitude of anaesthetizers like the BBC.
Good Afternoon everyone,
Let me get a few things straight, I was born a muslim but now I am an athiest.
Therefore I can agree with the jihadwatchers that Muslims have contributed little to society, that they are more backwards than the equivalents in the West and all the rest but
ISRAEL needs to be wiped off the map just like they did to PALESTINE because that would be fair and if you say to me that the jews were there before historically then the day the natives and the aboriginies get back the US and Australia then it is fair.
And I have never known JIHAD to be obligatory, I remember 5 pillars, none were Jihad and as far as I know Jihad is only allowed in its violent form when there is direct oppression.
Now you may bring out verses contrary to the above, so what, most muslims rather forget about them, they have moved on.
I suppose as Islam is in the year 1427, this explains a lot in its development curve. Christianity wasn't too big on love in the fifteenth century either.
It needs a reformation of its own and I predict it will have one.
Personally alll religion is croc and the world needs to ban it.
choc,
You are a muslim despite calling yourself atheist.
It is muslims who want to wipe israel off the map.
And maybe you don't know jihad to be obligatory but the mujahidin and ghazi are heroes and the batteles of Islam are taught in every maktab.
Please don't try to make us have any sympathy towards Islam. We know well what we are against.
Choc, welcome to the site.
Of course, you are not as intelligent as you think, and you have just as much hatred as you accuse others of having, maybe more.
For example, amongst your rubbish, you assert: ". . . why dont the USA find some alternative energy source and we can all live in peace."
Are you blaming America for the problems of the moslem world?? For your enlightenment, I think you should consider, even ponder, that Americans were lighting their lamps with whale oil while the islamic world was making war on Christians, Jews, and, of course, each other.
Like so many other muslims, you think America exploits the muslim world. Bullshit. We pay good money for your oil, your frankincense, your dates, and your olive oil. If your people cannot preserve their wealth, it is the fault of their legal system that does not protect property; their corrupt governments that skim all the profits for themselves, their TRIBAL relatives, and their kinfolk; their idiotic inheritance laws that stand in the way of accumulation of intergenerational wealth; their waste of time putting their asses up in the air five times a day, and the religious injunction against payment of interest.
And you have a loose collection of imams who can issue FATWAS of the most assinine nature. Nobody can think freely, act freely, be creative, all the while being concerned about the next imam's outburst.
America is not responsible for the sewage that runs in your gutters, and the stench that fills the air of your markets. We are not at fault for ripping the clitori out of your women. We have no part in your slave trade. We do not condone your killing rape victims instead of their rapists.
How the hell do you people expect to advance if you have to watch your women eighteen hours a day? How the hell do you expect to advance if your asses are in the mosque five hours a day instead of working?
America's fault? Get a grip.
americaningermany quoted an anonymous friend
That's debatable, but if you don't do something, you shouldn't get upset when someone else does do something, and they handle the situation in their own way. And if you just stand around next to the person committing the crime, refusing the orders to Get Down!, don't be surprised when the bullets start flying all around you.
AIG, tell your friend to trust themselves, they'll do fine.
I know Jihad is only allowed in its violent form when there is direct oppression.
Haaaa. You so funny! You make me laugh vewy vewy rong time!
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So then, when Mohammed decapitated 800 Jews in the Qurayza oasis farm, and sold most of the women and children into slavery, many into sex-slavery, and Moahmmed kidnapped and raped the one freshly widowed Jewess who was hot looking...
... what oppression of Mo and the Companions led up to these acts?
Choc -
I agree with Rocky who pointed out that you are still a Muslim despite being an atheist. So I guess we can call you a terro-atheist.
Islam is more a "political system" than a religion anyway, so it doesn't require faith in allah to embrace the tenants of Islam. And it's obvious that you DO embrace these doctrines because you want to see Israel "wiped off the map."
By the way -- I am not Jewish, but I have an Israeli flag on display inside my home. That's how much I disagree with your DEVILISH position on seeing it destroyed.
I love Israel!
It's obvious these idiots were hopped up on drugs to do the nonsense they did. Heroin is the heart of Islam, destroy it, and you destroy the Koran.
The answer to the muslim wudu thing is that their holy texts tell them to use stones instead of toilet paper. Maybe this was sensible in Mohammad's day, but I think it is incredible that the muslims still haven't managed to build a toilet paper factory.
Accordingly, devout muslims should be frugal with their stones, and store their used ones carefully, as one never knows when a neighbor will want to grab a handfull, unwashed by the rain which never comes. The devout and frugal muslims should use two black stones and one white stone to do the wudu. He or she should use a black stone, then use the white stone to see if the other black stone is needed.
Of course, civilized infidels just buy some tissue made by Kimberly Clark, a nice Texas company (ticker symbol: KMB) or Proctor and Gamble (ticker: PG). The latter company also has a line of DEODORANTS, which is something most muslims desperately need, particularly IRANIANS (including their president, as I am informed).
But the muslims think they are going to conquer the world, take the wealth, and force all the dhimmis to do the work, the inventing, the creating, the investing, and everything else productive. The muslims have not learned the lessons of the 20th Century because they are stuck in the 7th or 8th Century. The lesson missed has to do with the collapse of Soviet communism, which instituted a totalitarian system that smothered creativity, to the point that even the "elites" lived a backward existence.
My relatives were thrown from the window of the textile factory they owned when communists came to power in their country. Power to the people! All wealth to the state! What a crock, choc. The factory ran down. The equipment wasn't maintained because no PERSON had an economic interest to protect. The new managers were politicaly appointed. They did not know how to run a textile factory, did not know how to measure and nurture productivity, and did not know how to train the employees. Everything was owned by the State, so it was the State's responsibility. When everything is owned by the ummah, it will be the same damn thing.
Yes, I know. The great muslim "takeover" will leave property in private hands. Sure. The spoils will not be shared equally, as any study of muslim sources will demonstrate. The result will be the same. Idiots in charge. Look at the cesspool countries where islam has reigned. Can any rational man look at those filthy, dirty, stinking countries and proclaim the superiority of the culture, the religion, or the political system?
Just like communism, only worse. The muslims have been at it longer and have done even greater damage.
The Soviet system was so bad, that even when it fell the outlook for improvement was so bleak that THOUSANDS of its jews fled to Israel for a better life. They voted with their feet, and they are now loyal Israelis.
When the muslims immigrate, they are not loyal to their adopted country, but are in fact hostile to it. Why should their new countrymen not treat them as the enemies that they are??
But the muslims continue to dream their dream of conquest. Imperialism. Can anyone dispute this drive? It is imperialistic, internationalistic, socialistic. Not all that different from communism. Don't let this allah crap distract you, Choc. It's the same old shit, wudu or no wudu.