All too often this happens: the victim of rape is punished -- in part because, after all, she must have brought it on herself, and also because the moral crime involved is that which results from her own impurity, however unwilling she was. "Teenage girl murdered by brother in 'honor killing,'" from AFP, with thanks to DFS:
ANKARA -- A 15-year-old girl who gave birth to a child that she said resulted from a rape became the latest victim of so-called "honor killings" in Turkey, newspapers said Monday.The young girl, from a mainly Kurdish town near Turkey's eastern border with Iran, was murdered by an elder brother Saturday, press reports said. The victim, named only as Naile, had apparently not been aware that she was pregnant until she started feeling unwell and was admitted to a hospital, where she gave birth to a boy, the reports added.
She later told her mother that the pregnancy had resulted from a rape. When other members of the family heard the news, the elder brother shot her dead at point-blank range in a street of the town, and then fled.
Who are we to judge their culture? I'm sure rape victims have been murdered in Western nations, so clearly we are morally equal to them.
I'm jaded by such stories by now. Therefore, I suggest looking at the bright side - one fewer breeder, and therefore 10 fewer children in 1 generation, 100 fewer in 2, 1000 fewer in 3 and so on.
I always wondered why Attaturk wanted Turkey to be so secular (besides having the country advance to the 20th century). Now I know why.
Unfortunately, he did cause one problem. He got rid of the caliphate, which gave rise to the Muslim Brotherhood, which gave rise to all of Islam's crimes of the present.
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Ataturk's mistake was that he didn't complete the job, and he assumed that Athiesm would be a substitute for Islam. It didn't work. Had he forcibly Christianized his country, the ending would have been different. Also, no massacre of Armenians, and Kurds might have looked to Turkey as a beacon of what's possible.
Other than that, getting rid of the Caliphate was the right thing. Besides, the Muslim Brotherhood isn't the fountainhead of all Islamic groups, just a few big ones like al-Qaeda and Hamas. But Fuckistan and Indonesia have provided just as lethal groups of their own, such as Lashkar-e-Toiba, Jemiah Islamia, et al. Sure, they have links to al Qaeda, but they didn't need it to come into existance - the Quran and Sunnah were sufficient.
Eid al-Fitr Mubarak for this guy. Imagine his pride at ridding his familly of that moral stench. What a "religion".
Can anyone hear a peep from a nationally known feminist? No? I guess the girl's rape and murder are unimportant.
Infidel Pride-
The world would indeed be better off had Attaturk followed through. It's really a shame he didn't serve as a model for a lot of these other Muslim states. The Turks may be part of the evil ummah but at least they're better than most of the ummah thanks to him.
Silly brother. Didn't he know the fashion in Turkey now is for these girls to commit 'suicide'? Voluntarily, of course.
Here's a link to these 'suicides':
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5010892.stm
"Ataturk's mistake was that he didn't complete the job, and he assumed that Athiesm would be a substitute for Islam. "
Ataturk mistake was that he believed muslim people are like any other people. No matter how fascist your government is, a muslim is still a muslim.
"Secularism" in turkey doesn't prevent the country to be a shithole like the rest.
Time to realize it. The whole muslim world (including muslim MALDIVES) are all cesspool.
"Ataturk's mistake was that he didn't complete the job, and he assumed that Athiesm would be a substitute for Islam. It didn't work. Had he forcibly Christianized his country, the ending would have been different" posted by Infidel Pride.
Exactly! It worked in Spain under Isabella and in Moldova under General Suvorov. Besides, most Anatolian "Turks" are really Greeks or Armenians who were forcibly Turkified by the Ottomans. Compare what a "Turk" in Ankara looks like and what a real Turk in Bukhara or Tashkent looks like.
Even today, up to a third of the Anatolian Turks are not real Sunni Muslims but are Alevis. The Alevis are clearly a fusion of Christianity and Zoroastrianism with a Shia Muslim overlay.
See:
http://lexicorient.com/e.o/alevi.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevi
Using his people's historic Byzantine Christian roots as a justification, Ataturk could have played on nationalism and simply declared that he was returning his oppressed people to their roots. However, alternative histories like this are valid only in fiction... or possibly as a programme for the future.
A practitioner of the religion of peace STRIKES again!
Infidel Pride, you are right on. Take out the breeders and we will have a chance at stopping the muslim world invasion.
I just don't understand how any american, any color, any religion, could find anything good about islam, let alone convert. Oh, revert is the new lexicon. We are all born muslim and move away from the death cult.
Odds are that the older brother is the one who got her pregnant in the first place.
Is there not any among you who feel pity for this girl and her baby son? A little baby has been deprived of his mother, a victim of not one but two crimes, and what do some of you say? "One less breeder in the world".
What is wrong with you? Modern Turkey is a lot better than elsewhere, even though there are some fundamentalist elements at work. None of you even know the average family number for Turks. Also, there is no evidence that the Turks as a whole collaborate with those who commit acts of violence.
That poor girl, she was probably 14 years old when she was raped, presumably by a member of her family, or a close associate. She did not know that she was pregnant? Was she already so fat that she could not feel the baby moving within her womb? Did her mother not notice that her daughter had taken on the shape of a mother to be?That girl must have been devastated over the rape, having her virginity taken away from her in that fashion.
The brother is a criminal because he killed the girl. Was it to silence her so that she could not reveal the name of her rapist? She deserves pity, and for those of us who are Christians, she also deserves our prayers. She did nothing wrong, except that she was born of the female sex.
You all sound like the people in the movie "A town without pity", where the German girl was raped by American soldiers and people turned their back on her, as if she was the one guilty of a crime.
We should be standing up against those who rape women in these countries, and we should stand up against honour killing, but we need have at least some compassion for the victim, and in this case her offspring, who is now an orphan, without a mother where he can suckle at her breast.
Maggie4life,
How do you know the baby was a boy? If it was a boy then the world has another muslim terrorist to deal with in 8-10 years (or sooner). If the baby was a girl then the world has a breeder who will create muslim terrorists in 10-12 years. Either way, her getting pregnant was a lose-lose all around. It's a vicious cycle. The females breed terrorists and the males become them (although muslim females have been known to detonate themselves too).
Sorry but I don't feel empathy for this muslim breeder because there are larger issues at stake. I agree with a previous poster that the bright side to this is that there is one less muslim terrorist breeder (or potential terrorist) walking the planet. (Isn't a billion of these people enough already?) And it's good that they're killing each other off. For me, the reason they murder each other is only of secondary importance. The fact that they thin their own ranks is what matters.
Yet another sad and terrible story. As much as I despise this 'religion' of death, it does make me sad to see this kind of thing happen. This girl was the age of one of my nieces.
We must continue to speak out against this vile, empty, violent and destructive ideology. It does nothing but spread death wherever it's taught and practiced.
I wonder how much the girl knew about sex. If it's true she didn't know she was pregnant, or if she didn't understand the concept, then did she know she was raped? Does she know what rape is?
Maggie, we all feel the utmost pity for this poor girl and her baby, but sadly, there is not a damn thing we can do about honor killings. Islamic culture is cruel, revulsive, malevolent, archaic, and patriarchial, and women are worthless and expendable. I pity the poor child and wonder what will become of him. How will he feel when he learns that he is the bastard spawn of a whore who shamed her family and paid the ultimate price for the sin of being raped? Will the girl's parents love or reject the child; after all, he is the result of illicit sex and indirectly responsible for his mother's murder. Is it any wonder that these people are sociopathic lunatics?! Whenever a muslim says that islam is "perfect" and "logical", I am reminded that their brains are not wired like ours. There is no logic or reason whatsoever in islam; it is pure insanity.
Honor killings and terrorism will continue as long as islam remains a viable force in the world. Both of these evil acts are almost impossible to predict or prevent. If we were capable of stopping honor killings, if we had that kind of power and influence, we would stop islam and its countless aberrations and perversions, not just one.
First to Mahdi, it says in the report that the baby was a boy. There is no guarantee that the child, if he had been born in normal circumstances would end up being a terrorist. It is not wise to make such statements, unless the child comes from Gaza or Iran (and then I can agree wholeheartedly).
Second, to SusanP, of course, I know that you are always compassionate, but there are opinions that have been expressed that lack compassion for both the girl and her baby. I agree that there is no logic in the pure insanity of honour killings, especially when a girl is raped. I agree that the practice of Islam in some of the more remote locations is above all, very warped. You and I are not in personal disagreement.
All I want is to see some compassion for the child who was born into such a messy situation. You put it the right way, for what will become of him? Will his grandparents reject him? They have lost a daughter, but what will become of their son? Will he be captured, and then tried for her murder?
There are countries where the Muslims are indeed sociopaths - Afghanistan is being ruled by such sociopaths. The barbarity of some of them is breathtaking. We have read and heard so much about their barbarity that we just cannot comprehend how they can ever dare to call themselves a religion of peace. They are liars when they make that statement. What we have to keep in mind is that there are men and women who have not made that final step out of Islam, out of fear for their lives, but they do not subscribe to such barbarity. Certainly, the majority of Australian Muslims are not barbaric but they come from a more civilized background. I know some who are Turks, others who are Iranians, and another who is Afghani. I cannot fault any of the ones that I have met, especially this is true of the women.
I agree, I wish there was more that could be done, but this is a stubborn group of people who have been brainwashed into thinking in a certain way, and they have not been able to let go of the thoughts that have caused the brainwashing. They are, in this respect, very similar to members of the Scientology cult, or the Jehovahs Witnesses, and even the Latter Day Saints. They believe what they want to believe, and they do not like having to question those beliefs.
However, there is something that Christians within this group can do, and they can do it daily - pray for these people, that God will open their hearts so that they will see the truth and that they will have the courage to desert Islam, to convert and become Christians (or Jews, or Buddhists, or Hindus ;-) )
Freewoman says: "I'll bet the girl was raped in her home, while dressed modestly and in her room."
Probably so. And a DNA test would probably show that the perpetrator was a close relative. Other than the fear of an honor killing, that might be a reason for her silence about the rape.
For a society that asserts its "respect" for women, it surely is odd that the rapist who violates a "respected" woman is not sought out and punished.
I halfway expect the koran to say, somewhere: "And when the man is finished, he must offer [the woman] to his friends if they are watching. And, lo!, when the joyous time is past, the woman must be sacrificed, like a vessel is shattered on the ground."
Or, something like that.
Of course, muslims don't respect their women. They only want INFIDELS to respect them. It's all about submission.
Freewoman, you also said: "Without castrating those muslim males, I don't see how we can make any difference in the lives of middle eastern women."
About six months ago, I was in a restaurant and someone a the next table showed me a print-out from a news story from Australia. It seems that a grandmother, enraged at the rape of her granddaughter by two low-lifes, avenged the girl with some direct action.
She took a pistol she had been hiding for many years, found out where the men lived, went to their home, and rang the bell. When one came to the door, she aimed the pistol at his groin and fired. Blew it clean off. She went inside and did the same thing to the other man, although, I think, she was not quite as accurate. She was arrested, but I never found out what happened to her.
I have not been able to locate the news story, and do not know whether or not the rapists were muslim, but I don't think that they were. Maybe one of the readers will have a link or a lead on this story.
At any rate, there's some "self-help" justice at the hands of an angry grandma.
...there is not a damn thing we can do about honor killings. Islamic culture is cruel,...
Posted by: Susanp
I must disagree on one level Susan--we can TURN THE LIGHTS ON THESE GUYS. You never know exactly what it is going to take for the Muslim problem to reach critical mass (enough for us to say ENOUGH of this disease). It took Pearl Harbor for us to get into WW2 and 911 to face that there are people who want to kill us today--time to act.
In the Bible, it took the outrage of a concubine's parted out raped corpse being sent in parts to many parts of old Israel (before there was a king) to rouse the locals to Civil war. Uncle Tom's Cabin pricked the US conscience on the true human suffering of slavery before the Civil War. Most everyone from the late 60's remembers the tortured face of the little Viet Namese girl who was screaming and running from the napalm flames--and this really served to change opinion about what was going on there (I'm not saying we handled that right by the way..).
Americans/westerners are (like) Ostriches--we think by not facing an injustice that it really isn't there or really isn't so bad--"hey, it's just another culture", right? One day something happens to make us face our sin of stony cold complacency--our national sin of deserting the least among us to the most wicked ones for their destruction--doesn't the holocaust teach us that much? There are so many examples. I guess a country that allows abortion through 9 months of prenancy doesn't face what it does to the most vulnerable ones.
SO SHOUT IT FROM THE HOUSETOPS--this Islamic insanity has to be stopped! We must force them into the white hot lights and not turn them off. SPEAK UP YOU PATRIOTS--WE CANNOT leave the least among us, many of whom have no help at all to stand up to these savages and their woman/Jew/infidel hating cult for consumption. Are we those who would comply or fight this evil? Would we speak up to a Hitler or his system? TURN ON THE LIGHTS I SAY!
One of the many, many things that I find so frustrating about so-called honor killings is that it is the victim that is deemed a stain on the honor of the family. If the reason for the complete lock down of women is that their male relatives are charged with their protection and care, as females are deemed unable to do so for themselves (either as being inherently morally weak or simply physically unable in light of the uncontrollable passions they may stir in those who may happen to catch a glimpse of wrist or ankle), then if a girl is molested or a girl or woman is raped, then the failure is on the part of the men who were supposed to protect her. So why do the so-called honor killers kill the victim instead of the male who assaulted her and the males who were charged with her protection? Islam is a human rights violation system of the highest order, barbaric and cruel. I pity those that are that are born into it and unable to escape and I have complete contempt for those who convert, caring not about the utter debasement and vile cruelties they validate and support with their conversion.