Anti-dhimmitude from the Conservative Party. "Tories accuse Muslims of 'creating apartheid by shutting themselves off,'" by Patrick Hennessy and Melissa Kite in the Telegraph, :
The Conservatives today accuse Muslim leaders of encouraging "voluntary apartheid" in Britain by shutting themselves away in closed societies and demanding protection from criticism.David Davis, the shadow home secretary, says that Britain risks social and religious divisions so profound that society's very foundations, such as the freedom of speech, will become "corroded" and that the perfect conditions for home-grown terrorism will be created.
His stark intervention, in an article for The Sunday Telegraph, represents a toughening of the Tory stance on the dangers of Islamic radicalism and follows calls from some leading ministers for Muslim women to remove their veils. It is also a departure from the "caring Conservatism" message laid out by David Cameron.
Mr Davis says he supports the stance on veils adopted by Jack Straw, the Commons Leader, but believes the wider issue is one of the "very unity of our nation".
"What Jack touched on was the fundamental issue of whether, in Britain, we are developing a divided society. Whether we are creating a series of closed societies within our open society. Whether we are inadvertently encouraging a kind of voluntary apartheid.
"At the starkest level, we may be creating conditions in the recesses of our society that foster home-grown terrorism."
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Oh, what a horrible statement. Don't they know those poor people are victims and cower in fear of islamophobia? These poor souls are just keeping their culture alive, since it is the greatest of all ages and must be passed on to future generations. Those conservatives are being racists (since Islam apparently is now a race) by saying such things. How dare they!
It's about damn time.
It is a real commentary upon not only the intelligence of the Tories but upon their political acumen that it has taken them this long to sound the bugle.
We may need this but do they have ANYONE capable of cleaning up the mess that is the UK currently?
You're a racist Mr. David!
Seriously, this is a good development. Although there is a good chance that he (ofcourse under the pressure of the leftwinged-liberals) must back down.
Chances are also good that certain Asian Youths take this as an insult and have a go at the city center of Leed or London.
We may need this but do they have ANYONE capable of cleaning up the mess that is the UK currently?
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Honestly, currently I think only Adolph Hitler can clean it up. And that is just the part I am really afraid of.
Dr W...if this particular incarnation of der Fuhrer is only antiIslam then I cannot see the problem. However, the slightest trace of antiSemitism (as pertains to Jews and NOT Arabs) or any racism and I can agree with you.
Unless someone with lesser reactionary aims finally steps in and does something the gates are slowly opening for an extremist rightist to do so. The longer that the west takes to respond the more bloody will be. It is going to be bloody anyway, you can be certain of that as the muslim hordes will NOT relinquish the advantages that they have gained so easily in the west without a dire struggle but who is in charge will dictate just how ferocious and how comprehensive is the response.
I have written elsewhere that I fully expect that then we will see massacres everywhere that will make Bosnia and even Rwanda seem benign by comparison and but which will still be only a small dent in the debt owed to the west by the many millions , murdered, enslaved or forcibly converted over the last 1350 yrs in the name of Allah.
This will not be a moral war of overwhelming ethics but a war of survival: Islam or us, IMHO.
Hmm I missed Arab Christians so let it read "ANY antisemitism".
It sounds like Mr. Davis has begun the task of growing some balls.
It is about time that Britain woke up to see the monster that has been created. Britain is riddled with bleeding hearts who insist upon taking away the right to free speech in the name of tolerance. The islamofacists have been taking advantage of the bleeding hearts whilst the leaders of the major parties have been playing the game of being Mr. Popularity.
The political parties need to wake up to the truth. They need to stop pandering to the feminists, and the other left wing nuts who make all the noise. They need to do their homework. If Britain continues to be slack about these issues then the country is going to end up in bloodshed, and there will be nothing in the coffers to pay for an expensive health system that is slowly dying anyway.
These politicians need to do a bit of reading and they need to stop listening to people they believe to be "moderates" - the ones who are telling all sorts of lies about the meaning of Islam and the meaning of Jihad. They should stop worrying when these numbskulls take to the streets complaining about being targets because that is only a ruse. Those demonstrations are too well organized so one must suspect that the demonstrators knew what was being planned and are in fact upset that the plotters were caught.
Let's see if Mr. Davis's balls will continue to grow, or if they end up like those of Tony Blair.
Honestly, currently I think only Adolph Hitler can clean it up. And that is just the part I am really afraid of.
Posted by DrWolffenstein
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If the islamisation of Europe continues, some demagogue will probably rise to power in Europe sooner or later, and start a genocide against muslims. When that happens, all hell will break loose.
I think Dr. Wolffenstein is right, based on Europe's history...
Wouldn't it be a supreme irony?
quote:"If the islamisation of Europe continues, some demagogue will probably rise to power in Europe sooner or later, and start a genocide against muslims. When that happens, all hell will break loose."
Does he have to be a demagogue? That is a word to readily used as if SOMEONE does finally respond to public pressure and make this his stance (unlike most of europe's ruling elite) he may well deserve the term "leader" whatever his poltical motivations.
If they refuse to buckle and integrate and become violent(which they may wsell do) what, other than violence in return and very fullhearted violence, do you advise? Capitualtion. So, is islamic hell breaking loose any worse than responding to it in like?
As for genocide, another much abused and overused word, I hardly call removing those who declare themselves outside of(or above) your culture and your laws to be that, and if they resist then so much the better as it will save the cost of deporting them.
Much as ethics are prefered to be considered I think that you have no real idea of what is involved in a clash of civilisations. Every state has to compromise its ethics to survive as if it does and it wins then they can be re-imposed . But if it loses they will never return.
I do not wish to sound rude but some of you do not realise that the war has started and no amount of talking will solve it only actions and decisive and courageous actions. All that the new antiMuslim attitudes in the UK will do is to simply make them quieten down until their numbers are much geeater and this will be a loss.
Many think that the Cronulla riots taught Oz muslims a lesson. It did: that their numbers are far too low to push for jihad 2 just yet, so they breed and await their time.
Atheling...Hitler was the right man at the right place and at the right time wrt germany(in theory if not fact). So, if someone else rises to such a challenge as he sees to be threatening his civilsation, then it is to be expected and the longer it takes the more bloody it will be.
The only true irony is that the nazis needed a scapegoat upon which to focus. With eh Muslism we do not have a scapegoat but the CAUSE of teh problem. Not quite trhe same thing.
Good stuff! And as an added bonus it prompted Bunglawala to make a complete idiot of himself with his knee-jerk and completely transparent tu quoque.
Null,
Correct about Mr. Bung.
Much of David Davis' assertion addressed the overly sensitive reaction of Muslims to cirticism, and their demands for protection from such.
The best that Inayat could counter with was the right to peaceably protest.
So protest, peacefully. And don't forget to bring the beheading signs.
Assalamau Laikum all,
The constant media and political pressure onto one of the most successful religions and culture is a democratic country like Britain is very interesting. We muslims have to be on constant guard from within and “without” . We now see that it is the british themselves who are creating and fostering muslims to be a step apart and a step above british society.
Given this pressure, within muslim dominated areas in Britain (and there are quite a few) the outcome of the parliamentary seat in these areas will be in doubt for the tories and labour.
I think that within a decade a new political/religious party will be introduced in Britain. The MLoB (Muslim League of Britain) will be the party for muslims in Britain…the party of God if you will….only they can defend the true rights of muslims, Labour or the tories we have seen increasing …. cannot or will not do this …so why not just bypass them.
Over the decade after the formation of the MLoB, the Partisan control and direction of Britain will appear to be up for grabs in Britain’s prime-minesterial election.
So, the elections within the next two decades are of fundamental importance not just for the peoples of Britain but for all concerned with peace and stability in Eurabia.
Key issues at stake will be the religion, culture and political identity of Islam, interspersed with violence carried out (falsely) in the name of Islam…the religion of peace.
Less dramatically perhaps, these future elections could prove crucial for those concerned with the fate of democracy in the ISA. However, please note that successful conduct of elections and conclusions towards the building of a safe and stable Eurabia across the continent of Europe should be welcome everywhere, especially in the Amerekie.
Conversely, if the political battles unleashed now by Jack Straw and David Davis on the Islamic freedoms like, veils, skull caps faith schools, future elections will undercut and/or threaten the stability of Eurabian relations. The image and development of Islam would almost certainly become tarnished in the less Islamic nations such as the Amerekie…and we certainly don’t want that …do we?
For stability in the UK, given time Islamic freedoms must be adopted and practised by all, it is a sensible way forward for Eurabia, and Britain is a small part of that.
Please look out for the formation of the MLoB and at the right time vote and convert (to Ahmadi).
Thank you for your support of the MLoB.
One of the definitions of a cult or gang is the members are shut off from society at large.
Naseem,
Given the oppression of the Ahmadi sect in Pakistan and other Islamic states, and given the freedoms they enjoy in the West, one would have thought that you would prefer Western Democracy over an Islamic state.
However, that would require common sense. Unfortunately, Naseem, you don't any of that: you only have Islam.
Honestly, currently I think only Adolph Hitler can clean it up. And that is just the part I am really afraid of.
Posted by DrWolffenstein
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If the islamisation of Europe continues, some demagogue will probably rise to power in Europe sooner or later, and start a genocide against muslims. When that happens, all hell will break loose.
Posted by: EliasAlucard
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After the largely Muslim nations attack Israel, as in Ezekiel 38/39 and are destroyed by God (not "Allah"), Israel & the West will place its truct in a false Messiah, whose number is 666. He will, more than likely, deal with any remaining infidel followers of "Allah" and his false prophet Muhammad.
What are we supposed to do if Muslims in the West, simply refuse to renounce Jihad, as Jihad is a necessary must for them to be redeemed and attain Allah's paradise.
We cannot ask Muslims to renounce Jihad as that would be asking them to renounce the koran - the literal words of allah. This means Muslims, or those who are devout, can never integrate in the West, as the agenda of Jihad is to subjugate the Infidel world. There can be no accommodation with Jihad.
Poliicians in Britain are beginning to question Islam and make 'requests' that Muslims do this or that. This will have no effect whatever, apart from those who may decide to do a Hudna. These requests need to made with an 'or else' attached to them or we are are just flailing around.
Even an 'or else' option will simply allow Muslims to go into a victim mode, as they are doing now, and do a Hudna.
So is there a solution via a strong politician who is able to do what is required? Let us suppose that the BNP or the UKIP is voted in. All I see then is a civil war. And it will not just be muslims vs non-muslims, but a large fraction of non-muslims on the side of muslims. The bulk of the population (the electorate is fickle), will take fright, a new election will be called, and the dhimmis will take control. Muslims will rightfully claim victory and the situation will be far worse then before - it will be total defeat.
I would much prefer that actions take place slowly, with all main parties in agreement, and keeping in touch with the sentiments of the people as a whole, thus giving no wiggle room for Muslims and their dhimmi allies to exploit.
We have got into the game a little too early. I would have wished a little more appeasement for the next year or so, encouraging Muslims to make ever more outrageuous demands.
Don't get too excited. They are frightened that the white population is turning away from mainstream political parties. Every prediction shows a hung Parliament after the next election - which has to be held within the next 3 years.
The Conservatives suffered heavily in areas like Bradford in last year's Council elections because the BNP gain a large vote; and in May 2007 there are elections in Scotland, and Council Elections nationally. The turnout keeps falling.
Blair was re-elected last year with just 21.6% voters in support - the lowest percentage ever for a governing party.
They know that the voting blocs are fragmenting and people are a) not voting at all (41%) or b) voting for fringe parties.
The major parties are insolvent with very few members, and no money but lots of debts, but noone cares about them..........they are trading while insolvent and are morally bankrupt after lying for years
Nasseem
Thank you again for warning us. You may take assurance that the future you predict will not happen, as I'm sure it frightens you.
UK: Tories accuse Muslims of 'creating apartheid by shutting themselves off'.
It is not Apartheid but the first steps in the
Balkanisation of Britain, and Europe as a whole. Then Bosnia and Kosovo follow.
Gee, it seems Naseem's da'wa has failed here at JW/DW - not a single convert thus far, and no one even believes her rantings.
"allah" already punished her once for her failure by killing her shor, Anwer. I wonder which family member "allah" will take next as punishment for her continued failure?
For stability in the UK, given time Islamic freedoms must be adopted and practised by all, it is a sensible way forward for Eurabia, and Britain is a small part of that.
Keep injecting the heroin Nasseem and prepare to greet your co-religionists as they return to the basket-case between India and Afghanistan.
I still don't know if Naseem is really that Sacha Cohen dude who does the fake Khazkhstani. Because - what a gem! If he isn't, he should take the character to the main networks and get his own show.
I loved this:
"Key issues at stake will be the religion, culture and political identity of Islam, interspersed with violence carried out (falsely) in the name of Islam…the religion of peace."
and this was a hoot:
"For stability in the UK, given time Islamic freedoms must be adopted and practised by all, it is a sensible way forward for Eurabia, and Britain is a small part of that."
Just in case Naseem is actually seriously deluded and he isn't pulling our legs, I want to say this:
Why does Naseem put so much faith in the Parliamentary system? Doesn't that seem so weird? It's as if our entry into slavery is justified if we just happen to vote for it. Well, I have to tell you, in the History of Our Fine Christian Traditions not one turkey has ever voted for Christmas.
And how is Muslim success in two or three constituencies going to bring a hypothetical Islamic party to power? Of course, it isn't.
We know as well as Naseem that the plan to subjugate us has nothing to do with democracy. The plan goes like this: There are two arms of the Jihad. The Terrorists and the Moderates. The terrorists commit an atrocity, and the moderates tell us that it is our fault because we insulted Islam. The Loony Left (after changing their pants) agree, and give more importance to the Islamic viewpoint. After a few more atrocities, and a few more sets of stained trousers, the Sharia starts to get implemented.
Well, Naseem, we were on that course, but NOT any more.
We should write (continue to write) to David Davies about how we are worried that Islam is a threat to our Civil Liberties. I think that the guy is a genuine Conservative Libertarian, and I think that he believes in OUR FREEDOM. Don't back the BNP, they are as frightening as the Muslims.
I also think that our Christian Institutions should be focusing on how they can convert Muslims to Christianity. Perhaps a few letters from the likes of us might wake them up to the possibility.
I still seem to be assuming that Naseem is a geezer?
FREE LEE..."I still seem to be assuming that Naseem is a geezer?"
Who cares?
You can simply put her on replay and you wont miss much. I gave up answering her some time ago although for a muslim she is reasonably articulate, reasonably knowledgable and totally nonabusive which is a nice change from your average muslim poster here and elesewhere. This is tempered by her total Islamic brainwashing and hence the rote fashion of many of her posts.
Whether male or female she seems a decent person and it is a pity that she is a Muslim and a true loss to the civilised world of nonstoning . nondecapitation and nonamputation.
FREE LEE...In reality there are no moderates in Islam, only jihadists playing a physical role, or a non-physical role in jihad. Every muslim is 'obligated' to participate in, and support jihad. If they dont, according to Imam Bukhari, they will die hypocrits. In Islam, hypocrits dont go to paradise, they are thrown personally by Allah into the fire. Not one muslim is looking forward to that. You and I may not believe that, but they do..Allah wrote about it extensively in his book The Quran. Mohammed, Allahs mouthpiece, also confirmed this. Only the blind, crippled or disabled somehow, are excused from jihad. Most of the muslim 'moderates' I have heard/read are blind, but not crippled or deformed. Except for Hamza (the hook) a really good looking guy. I have it on good authority, that Allah is going to send Iblis, armed with a big stick, to visit 'moderates' in their dreams, and make them an offer they cant refuse...Allah knows best...
As for Naseem...This could be many people or one.
If one, I think she is female.
That entire writing she posted can be boiled down to a simple concept. There would be no homegrown terrorism if the west would simply roll over, belly up...play dead and convert...and let muslims run the world. Put Sharia law in every corner of the earth. Rolling over and playing dead has already been accomplshed/Bush/Rice/Blair ect. But that is only three out of jillions, Naseem. Most of the rest wont belly up that easy...
DP111,
Could you identify the groups in Britain that you believe would back the Muslims in a civil war?
what i foresee in the future is civil war and no mercy for any arab looking person...
cannot say we haven't warned them...
Unreal. MPACUK spokesman on lunchtime news today saying that local councils etc were to blame for Muslims being herded into ghettos, and calling for dialogue with councils, Christian groups, anyone and everyone about this issue, discrimination against Muslims, foreign policy, you-name-it!
Null, when has any crime committed by a Muslim been his/her fault? These creatures are the ultimate when it comes to lacking the capacity to accept responsibility for the results of their actions.
It is actually rather funny that they pass the buck so, seeing as Islam is a very fatalistic doctrine and hence, every action is the responsibility of Allah. But do you see them admitting to this when something goes wrong? They are like the Nazis where a poor crop was the fault of local jews but htis tim eit is the fault of all nonMuslims.
Do not feed the troll.
By the way,
I agree with the theory advanced here concerning a right-wing reactionary...well, reaction to the current lefty multi-culti zeitgeist. And that will usher in the official Leftist-Islamic Alliance in response.
Long days ahead.
Yo Naseem, found work yet? How can you, in prayers 5 times a day? I will be looking forward to the exports of Somalia when Islam finally takes the country over. They will be eating dirt just like your friends.
The Muslim League of Britain? You will have to get a lot more population. They will have to become citizens too before they can vote. Time is not on your side.
I do appreciate however your warning about the new future political parties of Britain. They however are not in the EU.
BTW, Found work yet?
God willing, of course.
Mert
There are no organised groups that will side with Muslims or organised groups that will oppose Islam. No such groups exist at the moment. The only organised group at the moment are Muslims, organised around the mosques. It was instructional to see Muslim gangs from London driving the distance to Windsor to help their brothers.
Consider what will happen if the BNP and UKIP take power and start getting really tough with Muslims. Muslims are not going to sit back and take it. They will start bombings and shootings - they are preparing for it as they know that it is how the Jihad works. Our side, will be confused and leave the matter to the authorities. The media will muddy the situation (BBC, Guardian etc) and the population will decide which side to support. Some will decide that fighting against Muslims is the best way to defend freedom, tolerance and democracy, and others will decide those same virtues are best defended by supporting the underdogs - Muslims, who will all the time be stressing that they are being victimised. Note how quickly the West fell for the lies of Izetbegovitch and the KLA. This time round in the West, it will be far more easier, as many Muslims are now born and brought up in the UK, speak the language fluently and know the local mores.
That is why I do not wish to see a civil war. It will be messy. Predicting the outcome of a war is difficult, particularly if it is a civil war - there are too many variables.
Maybe a right-wing extremist will come to power as a response to the current PC situation, maybe not, but if our governments continue their refusal to recognize the jihad, and if the people continue to become aware of the danger, then something will have to give.
DP111 said
That is why setting the correct goal is so critical. If we allow the battle to be drawn as against "terrorism" or "extremist religionists", then Islam stays to fight another day. It is absolutely essential that the true teachings of the Qur'an be understood by the majority of the population. There should be no place for those ideas in our culture, full stop.
Your analysis of the conditions leading to civil war is very interesting. All the military weapons needed to fight and end the jihad exist. That is not the problem. The problem is the misidentification of "the enemy", mostly due to lack of knowledge about Islam. This is one justification for setting aside partisanship. This can only work if we're all on the same page, if we can all agree on the same goal. It's impossible to imagine at the moment, but it has happened before, and it has to happen again now.
Some say it's too late, some might say it's too early. But, without a doubt, the general population is becoming more conscious of the danger of Islam. It is in the daily headlines, comedians make jokes about it, "Middle East Experts (tm)" are on every talk show, and books about jihad are on the NYT Bestseller list.
A good friend of mine served in Ireland with the Queens Lancs. He walked UK streets with an SA80 and he is only thirty years old.
There is nothing to say that a future Tory government would rule out putting troops on the streets of London or Bradford, if the Muslims are allowed to degenerate the country into ghettos of violent resistance.
Even the SAS was heavily involved in Ireland. And a question needs to be asked. If a PM as recent as Thatcher was able to deploy the SAS on UK streets then why would a future centre right leader feel unable to deploy the same force in defence of the homeland?
There does seem to be an assumption that the left wing lunacy will continue unabated unless it is replaced by a far right monster that will tear up the country in a frenzy of foreigner hate. But I don’t think that as to be the case. The Tories are in limbo at the moment. They pledged to give soldiers tax relief and Labour stole their idea. I am sure that they meant for Labour to steal that idea but it does illustrate the futility of making firm policies for labour to attack for another two years. But the Tories are in a good position. They are ahead in the polls and the press as stopped ignoring them and are now lambasting them for not giving enough policy meat for the papers to chew on.
Cameron is the PR man being nice while Davis feeds tit bits to the party faithful who would rather see their country flooded by global warming than Islamic Sharia.
Conservative DNA is patriotic.
Hi Naseem,
"The constant media and political pressure onto one of the most successful religions and culture is a democratic country like Britain is very interesting."
Thats right, Christianity is the most persecuted faith in Britain, being trodden all over by Muslim's PC slaves.
But seriously, do you really understand what you're writing here? Do you realise that people will be seriously injured, that people will die as a result of this attempt to overthrow western democratic liberal traditions? Do you have no heart for those who will be persecuted, who will die in the violence to come? Or is it the Islamic 'well, try and avoid the children if they're being used as shields, but if they die, well, its allah's will' argument?
The last time the West did that 50 million people died.
This time the bodycount could be far higher.
Is this really what you want, Naseem?
Oh, one other thing... it seems that Christianity is the fastest growing religion on the planet, not Islam, despite it being very PC to do. We in the west don't realise this because of the way statistics are compiled: for example in India if you have a traditional name you're automatically marked down as a Hindu. Locals tell me that there are some 80-100 million Christians there. China has 100 million, give or take a few - only 6% of the population. Brazil has gone from 9% to 19% in a decade as a revival has taken hold.
I invite you to examine the Bible as well, to see whether it is true. One thing I will give to many in their Islamic community is their sincere drive for what they believe, and it is somewhat disappointing that Christianity has lost that drive, even though promises given in the Bible are eternal and assured - Mohammed himself had no assurance despite being the final prophet. If you don't believe me ask your local Imam.
But have no fear, this sudden explosion of Christian evangelism will not produce a legion of suicide bombers citing the Book of Joshua.