UK: 'Unclean' guide dog banned by Muslim cab driver

Islamic Republic of Britain Update: "'Unclean' guide dog banned by Muslim cab driver," from the Daily Mail, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:

A Muslim minicab driver refused to take a blind passenger because her guide dog was "unclean".

Abdul Rasheed Majekodumni told Jane Vernon she could not get into his car with the dog because of his religion.

Islamic tradition warns Muslims against contact with dogs because they are seen as impure.

The case emerged as Jack Straw was embroiled in a controversy over Muslim women wearing veils and the row continued after a Muslim police officer was excused guard duty at the Israeli embassy. Today Mrs Vernon, 39, from Hammersmith, said: "This experience was very upsetting.

"I was tired and cold and just wanted to get home but this driver made me feel like I was a second-class citizen, like I didn't count at all."

Mrs Vernon, who works as a legal officer for the Royal National Institute for the Blind, added: "The owner of the minicab firm, Niven Sinclair, was also very insensitive, telling me that what had happened to me wasn't really very important, and I should have more respect for other people's culture. They have shown very little respect for my rights as a disabled person and have never once offered me an apology."

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Sounds like in this case, the dog was more intelligent than the Muslim cabbie. Shocker.

Sounds like snivling Niven Sinclair has a feel screws loose.

What's "unclean" is Moslems. They got it the other way 'round: Dog clean, Moslem unclean. (Mohammedan toilet training, bricks, etc, hand-wipe, Hreeetch). I like dogs, as for the other . . . Lofas e shegedbeh (or some such thing--spelling needs check, no have Hungarian dictionary on hand)

How about double-duty dogs? Like, an assistance dog who is also trained to attack viciously on command.
Sounds like a plan.

"Mrs Vernon, who works as a legal officer for the Royal National Institute for the Blind"

this person could take action because of her priviledge position.

Think about all the blind people that simply fear or cannot be heard.

To StillFedUp

Just to set your mind at rest, I believe she did take action and actually won the case.

Let's see that happen here in the U.S.

It would be a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).

Who would the lawyers be racing to help? The disabeled or the religous?

"Sounds like in this case, the dog was more intelligent than the Muslim cabbie. Shocker."

Yes, D.C., fewer lice and fleas, too.

""The owner of the minicab firm, Niven Sinclair, was also very insensitive, telling me that what had happened to me wasn't really very important, and I should have more respect for other people's culture.""

Yes, that's it. She should have waited in the cold for a non-Muslim driver to show, rather than being so insensitive to the Muslim driver's religious beliefs.

Non-Muslim Brits should consider it a duty to carry a bottle of Scotch with them on cab rides, and make sure that Muslim cab driver's know it.

Force the issue!

Disgusting. The cabbie should lose his hack license, if they have such things in the U.K. If you want the PRIVILEDGE to make a living by driving others around, then you must accept certain responsibilities, one of which is to facilitate greater mobility for the handicapped. And this goes for Muslim drivers as well as non-muslim drivers.

Like everything else with Moslems, they got it topsy turvy. It's Moslems who are unclean. Dogs are wonderful; all dogs are wonderful, like gifts from heaven.

But Moslems are filthy.

It is customary practice among cabbies that a potential customer is always directed to the first taxi in the line. The cabbie is free to reject that customer for any reason or no reason, but must then leave the line, go to the rear, and wait his turn again.

It is common practice for this Texan that if the cabbie is rude, unhelpful, or does not give appropriate thanks for a tip, exit is made from the door most distant from the driver, and the door is LEFT OPEN for him to deal with. This usually means that the driver has to unfasten his seat belt, take the vehicle out of gear, and lean way over the seat to reach the open door's handle. This is a small victory, but every cabbie knows it is a "f*** you!"

That technique should suggest possible ways to deal with "otherwise obnoxious" cabbies, such as those who won't transport you if they know you are carrying alcoholic beverages.

I gave up booze a long time ago, but I am resolved to tell all taxi drivers that I am carrying a bottle in the briefcase, or a flask "of whiskey" in my jacket. If they don't like it, due to religious reasons, then they can put me out. I will respect their religion by not drinking. Of course, they will still receive the "back door" treatment.

I suppose I could tell them I'm carrying a pork sausage and would they like some.

In some cities you can also report drivers to the licensing authorities, which is usually something like the Department of Finance, or the Department of Administration. Sometimes, they can be fined or censured in various ways depending on the jurisdiction. Look on the meter for their name and license number. This is probably more effort than it is worth. But the "back door" treatment is costless and immediately successful.

And the war goes on.

Islamic behaviour seems to be getting more and more outrageious every day. This case ought to be taken before the human rights tribunals.

Personally, I'd rather have the blind woman as my cabbie than that jackass dog hater.

Well, after Memri uncovered clerical pronouncements on Tom & Jerry, I wonder if this will help spur explanations of the Zionist-Crusader subtexts of Lassie, Clifford the Big Red Dog, and Blue's Clues.

This possibly leaves the door open for Muslim cab drivers to refuse to carry people based on other Islamic religious criteria (Jews, women traveling alone or without headscarfs, etc. ). This kind of thing needs to be nipped in the bud. But I don't see the British goverment actually doing anything to make sure this kind of incident doesn't happend again.

Whats the name of this Mini-Cab company, the one run by Mr. Niven Sinclair?

I think we should post the name so they can get all of this free world-wide publicity...assure their continued 'success'...

I like your idea, ISLAMSFORLOSERS.

I, too, would prefer Mrs. Jane Vernon as my blind driver, traveling at a HIGH RATE OF SPEED down the sidewalks of Slough, with a cow-catcher device on the front of the vehicle.

She can drive, and I'll do the looking for her. We'll make a great team. And her service dog can act as if he/she is a Dalmation on a Fire Engine responding to a call. It sounds like its winners all around...

This possibly leaves the door open for Muslim cab drivers to refuse to carry people based on other Islamic religious criteria (Jews, women traveling alone or without headscarfs, etc. ). This kind of thing needs to be nipped in the bud. But I don't see the British goverment actually doing anything to make sure this kind of incident doesn't happend again.

Posted by: non-redneck

I think you are right! Just the other day didn't some islamic cop refuse to guard the Israeli embassy?

Are they going to stop women who wear perfume as it contains a fair bit of alcohol?

When are we going to start refusing to use muslim cab drivers or any other of their businesses?

As for dogs - I used to have the best German Shepherd in the world.(unbiassed opnion, of course!) They are remarkable creatures.
I no longer have one because I think I have used up my "good pet allocation" for this lifetime!

The fact muslims don't like dogs is indeed a very telling thing. Pet lovers are just that. We LOVE our animals!
Muslims don't know what love means. They don't even love their children enough to not teach them hatred and becoming shahids (sp?)

Every day they do something more outrageous and they get away with it.
I am sick of them!

Oops! I just sent this in without seeing that Mr. Spencer had already posted it. I found the article on my service dog forum. For some reason, the other service dog users are agreeing that it is important for us to be sensitive to the feelings of others. I am just fuming!

I use a service dog - Libby - and I've posted here before about the way Muslims in my neighbourhood treat her. They walk through my garden to lean over the fence and scream at her and try to spit on her. As far as I'm concerned, the people trying to think about the cab driver's feelings are just insane.

The cabbie's name is Abdul Rasheed Majekodumni, for whoever asked. I read an article on the K9 magazine website:

http://www.k9magazine.com/viewarticle.php?sid=15&aid=1573&vid=0&npage=

We have lots of muslims in Tampa and I keep dogs that can eat them if I snap my fingers and point. Maybe some dogs they should be scared of, a working dog is not one. Most muslims are cowards, I have hunted them and protected them, they are cowards. I have never seen a "muslim warrior" and probably will never see one. Those of you who don't own a dog, get one, a big one. Although a small one will scare them, a big one will bring terror.

But you read Islamic sites on dogs, and they say that dogs for companionship are a problem but not dogs for utilitarian purposes. Guide dogs are definitely utilitarian. Also, these sites go on about dogs being highly regarded, beloved animals of Allah's creation and that Moh prayed around cavorting dogs and no big deal, blah blah blah. So are these sites just BS - taqiyya for the kafir maybe? If I read the Arabic version, would it be different?

All these things happen - the no-dogs, no-alcohol, no-this, no-that, in response to Muslims and their damned sensitivities, yet not much of an outrage. You can't read about it in your regular paper or see it on the news. You can only stumble across them by accident, or read about them in certain blogs. The majority of the world goes around blissfully unaware of the way our society is being eaten away by Islamic termites.

Was this a big deal in the UK? Or are most Brits unaware?

One day ... dogs will be banned in the UK.

Ronin, My son has a Jack Rascal Terrorist, named Murphy, and he can jump as high as my shoulder. I'm 6'-2"

Carpe Jugulum - pseudo-Latin for seize the throat.

Pelayo, I would love to see that but don't let the dog bite a muslim-it will get sick.

Here are some excerpts of a fatwa concerning dogs. The full fatwa is here:

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=809

809 2000-09-11

Allah Taãla created the dog from among His creation. This does not mean that we should love the dog. It is perhaps the indoctrination of the
Western culture that 'The dog is Man's best Friend'. The theory that 'dogs are very dependent on Human affection' is a myth - again culture and custom has helped to develop this unnatural behaviour."

Allah Taãla the Creator of this Universe - having created the dog would surely have known that the dog requires Human affection and love to exist in this world. Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) would have advised us, Muslims, to keep dogs as pets. On the contrary, we are instructed not to keep dogs as pets and 'love' them as exemplified by the non-Muslims.
Remember our life is structured and bound by the Shariah i.e. The Noble Qurãn and the beautiful example of Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi
Wasallam). Consider these Ahaadith:

Hadhrat Abu Talha (Radhiyallaahu Ánhu) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, "Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or an animate picture. (Sahih Bukhari Hadith no. 2986)

Hadhrat Ibn Abbas (Radhiyallaahu Ánhuma) reports from Hadhrat Maimoona (Radhiyallaahu Ánha) that once Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam)became sad; and said that Jibra'eel (Álayhis Salaam) promised to meet him at
night but did not turn up. "By Allah what has kept him back," said the Prophet (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam). Then he realised a puppy was under his bed. He ordered that the puppy be removed and the area be sprinkled with
water. In the afternoon when Jibra'eel (Álayhi Salaam) came, Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) enquired as to the delay. Jibra'eel (Álayhi Salaam) said that we, the group of Angels do not enter a house wherein there
is a dog or pictures. (Sahih Muslim Hadith no.3928)

In the light of these Ahaadith and other narrations it is not permissible to keep dogs as pets. The household is deprived of the Mercy of Allah Taãla.

However, Jurists have stated that it is permissible to keep a dog for security purposes, farming and hunting.

The saliva of a dog is Najis (impure). if it touches the clothes or body, that portion also becomes impure and must be washed.

And Allah Taãla Knows Best.

Mufti Ebrahim Desai FATWA DEPT.


Pelayo, the trouble with fatwas is simple, once the clowns discovered the media the numbers of fatwas has sky rocketed, more in the last ten years than in the entire history of islam. They are as dumb as rocks and history and math mean nothing to them. I even made a few fatwas

Oh brother, a fatwa covering dogs. It seems like a person can count on one hand the things this bunch doesn't have a fatwa on.

By the way, are there any zoos in the Muslim world? With pigs, dogs and monkeys being despised one would think still more animals would be banned. Fun world those people live in.

A fatwa is just a word for a ruling. These are answers to the zillions of questions that Muslims ask all the time because Islam is such a rigid and complex religion. I have spent lots of hours just reading these things and they are very informative. A good fatwa (answer) will have all the hadith citations. If Ole Pelayo says something about Islam and someone like Naseem says that I'm wrong; I can present an answer from a Muslim with references. The good Muslim websites are indexed and searchable.

It goes to show how these clowns make up what they allege to be literature. There is nowhere in any other Scripture where angels have refused to go because of dogs.

What is the difference between keeping a dog, a sheep or a goat?

Perhaps if the woman had a goat as a guide the driver would not have objected.

After all, dogs would not want to see other dogs on a leash being useful to other human beings.

Gramfan,

I think you are onto something. How about a massive boycott of all things Muslim? I've passed onto family members the fact that Caribou Coffee is owned by them and we've all agreed to not support them.

Two can play at the insensitive game. I think the taxi driver should be more sensitive to Ms. Vernon's situation, but considering that the idea of loving your neighbor as yourself doesn't even register in Islam, I wouldn't hold my breath. No, Ms. Vernon's dog should have been trained to pee in the back of any car that doesn't allow her a ride, which should effectively put that taxicab driver out of business.

Pelayo, Now think about this, anyone who says the shahda out loud is a muslim. There is no standard for an imam, any one who reads the koran (I have, in arabic and English) can claim the title, any imam can issue fatwas, therefore mine are legal and all muslims must follow them. I am a powerful man, lol. I should order them all to die but that would insult allah.

BTW, I forgot, islamic folklore says there will be 72 types of islam, I made a 73rd. Mine shows mohammad was a punk and no one has to follow him. I also claim the title of imam, I issue fatwas and wait until a brave muslim warrior gets past my dogs and guns (not likely).

BTW, I forgot, islamic folklore says there will be 72 types of islam

Posted by: Ronin at October 6, 2006 11:55 PM

72? If this ever comes to pass there will be one hell of a battle royal for control of the world when all of the infidels are gone!

I went to a small school where one of the students was a Muslim. He was maybe in his early thirties, in excellent physical condition. He was pretty well-liked by the other students. He was from Egypt. He had a pretty good sense of humor. I remember he made me uneasy though, just because I've seen what's in the Qur'an and hadith and one sometimes can't help thinking about "sudden jihad syndrome," not to mention "chronic jihad syndrome," not to mention "war is deceit." He was into martial arts, and as I recall he also mentioned something about learning firearms or paintball some place in the U.S. -- something that made me ask "That must be risky with the government after 9/11?" or something like that. He said no, not at all.

I remember there was another man at the school who was almost totally deaf. He had a "hearing ear" dog, a beautiful young golden retriever trained to do remarkable things. Usually no one was supposed to pay attention to the dog (which had beguilingly sweet eyes) or pet him, because he was "on the job." But once a month or so, the deaf owner would let everyone pet the dog for an hour during lunch. At a certain point, people started picking up cookies and holding them partly sticking out of the mouth, inviting the dog to take the cookie from the person's mouth.

Somewhat to my surprise (since Islam often says dogs are haram, unclean), the Muslim student after seeming to hesitate a moment, joined in and took a cookie in his mouth and invited the dog to it.

The Muslim student then observed the very comical sight of how incredibly careful the golden retriever was with its teeth as it delicately and with its dog mouth trembling gently removed the cookie from the Muslim student's mouth. The Muslim student laughed and marvelled with pleasure at how careful and gentle the dog was.

Probably this Muslim student was no radical, but how can one know for sure, since the jihadists carefully adopt Western ways to conceal jihadist plans? He certainly didn't ever let on to any special religiousness or walk around with a Qur'an.

During the Ramadan month, I started asking him about Ramadan -- kind of crass of me. He said, almost furtively, that he wasn't that serious about it.

Well, not sure what that anecdote's purpose was. (Talk about religious crassness on my part, once, thirty years ago while hitchhiking out West, in my enthusiasm I tried asking an American Indian truck driver about his religious ceremonies and so on. This led the Indian, I'm now sure he did so consciously and intentionally, to allow a truly remarkable, very long, needle- or even hair-thin, undulating thread of spittle to slowly extend from his mouth, getting longer and longer, eight inches or more, until it actually reached my arm. (I was sitting in the middle of the truck's cab, and the friend I was hitchhiking with was on my right.) The thread of spittle was subtle enough that the American Indian could pretend he was unaware of it, and it was slight enough that I thought it best to ignore it, as the ride was to be short. As he talked, the amazing thread of spittle continued to extend, undulating rather like a snake or a whip in every waft of air, repeatedly whipping a different spot on my arm or shoulder. The amount of spittle flowing into this remarkable thread was so slight that it would wet my arm and evaporate before any wet spot could build up. I've never seen anyone do that trick before or since. It was sort of like a linear soap bubble, if that makes any sense. I was glad to get out of that truck. But that anecdote was a rather pointless digression from a digression.)

Dogs are marvelous creatures. Yes, truly gifts from God to us as fitting companions and workers. They are devoted, playful, affectionate, intelligent, and, yes, mischevious. But always they are much better company than the Muslims.

That Muslims despise dogs and consider them unclean is all I need to know about their appreciation for animals and nature. Besides, I highly suspect that the Creator loves dogs too. To hate what the Creator has made is a serious affront.

Islam is of the Devil.

Here is something that shows Muslims (and others ) could learn a thing or two from dogs:

1 If I speak with the languages of men and of angels, but don't have love, I have become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.

2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but don't have love, I am nothing.

[...]

12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I will know fully, even as I was also fully known.

[...]

-- 1 Corinthians 13 WEB

Ive got the best pork eating American Pit Bull Terrier, but she hates hijabs, and burkas!

Isabellathecrusader

I am very careful that I do not buy things from islamic countries.
Thank goodness for Californian dates!

Sadly, many cab drivers in Australia are muslim and by no means all of them are bad. I don't drive so have to use a cab from time to time.

What I really wanted to add was that this story has already been posted on the local rag 'blog.
I was pleased about this as it didn't make any news here at all.

The Jack Straw story did however.Many people posted to support him.
I say, keep up the rage.
I am even thinking about getting a dog again!

"Man with dog closes a gap in the universe."

C.S. Lewis, "The Four Loves," chapter 3.

Now, C.S. Lewis was someone who often really did come with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings.

traeh,

You had me laughing with that spittle story!

I have a dog, a big dog. He doesn't like strangers. I think he knows more than I do about people. He can sense fear. I'm glad that muslims don't like (are afraid)of dogs.
Why are these people in our countries?

What would have happened if a muslim had been refused a cab ride, for reasons too many to list ??

Dogs are a blessing from God. They would put down their lives for you or your children. Unlike some muslims, who would gladley slit your throat.

My three dogs together are cleaner than one Muslim. They smell better, too.

What would have happened if a muslim had been refused a cab ride, for reasons too many to list ??

A prison sentence for the driver, no doubt. Dhimmis should know their place.

In the US, not only would that be a violation of the law but grounds for a very lucrative lawsuit. I'm sure you would be able to get free legal help/lawyer/solicitor as well.

Has anyone ever asked dogs how they feel about muslims? Check the link below to see how they feel about the rest of us.

http://animalliberationfront.com/News/AnimalPhotos/Animals_91-100/BabyDogsHugs.htm

The mail must have thought it was in the "public" interest to leave out part of what mr sinclair the cab company boss had to say

This part was in the Daily Express

"While she was making a noise about this she was quite happy to ride rough-shod over the beliefs of others.I have worked with muslims for over 60 years and it is worth remembering that during world war two their loyalty to Britian was total "

Hello

Regarding the comments of the owner of the cab company, the website of the company in question is at http://www.niven.co.uk

Click on "about us" and you will see the grand claims made by the company including boasts of them being considered by the DTI (Department of Trade & Industry) for their "staff training programme!, their proud comments that their drivers are all carefully vetted and "As a Company, we realise that our drivers are our shop window. We are going to be judged by their behaviour and by their appearance"!!

So how do we judge them?? They should be closed down immediately!

Click on the "our servics" tab and have a giggle at their slogans including

Niven: Driving the world of entertainment

Are you Niven driven?

For a perfect ride: be driven by Niven

Niven Priority No 1: Customer satisfaction (one of my favourites)!

Niven: For your Safety and Security (WHAT!!!!)

Niven: The Dream Team
For air conditioned comfort - have you tried Niven's Club Class?

Niven: The Seamless Service

Wherever & whenever you need a car, call Niven

We are committed to excellence & aim to give you the best possible service (unless, of course, you happen to be blind)!

"Switched on" to meet your needs 24 hours a day throughout the U.K.

It's all about being driven: driven by motivation, driven by Niven

Niven: 25 years in the driving seat

Niven: helping to ensure a smooth operation

Niven: the driving force behind the Television Industry

Niven: Your hard working partner

Niven: everyone's favourite car company

The cost conscious choose Niven - again & again & again

Niven meets every transport need
Constantly competitive:

Perhaps some of you may care to accept their invitation to "contact us" and point out that their actions do not constitute good customer service and perhaps they ought to be slightly ashamed of themselves for their recruitment policy.

More info on this story at http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=111490&version=1&template_id=38&parent_id=20

Sorry, that was the only news link I could find on Google News!

"Arrive at the right place, at the right time, in the right frame of mind."

Unless you are an infidel.


Lionheart, very thought provoking article. It seems that whenever a Muslim is whining about their rights, everyone on the otherside backs down because of political correctness or intimidation. How interesting that these guys stirred up a hornet's nest of retaliation via court fines by insulting one of the sacred cows in our society, i.e., by stepping on the toes of a disabled person. The Muslims didn't do their homework on that one.

Look at what we've seen the last couple of days; English youth retaliating, fighting back, brick for brick, or rather, pitchfork for pitchfork. And Muslims getting their snotty little noses smacked by disabled persons who know their rights and know how to stand up for them. What a wonderful surprise, to have hope for our salvation come from the least expected places.

God I hate Islam.

Don't ever put me on a jury for anyone who goes out and wholesale kills Muslims, I won't convict.

Might buy them dinner afterwords though...

Now I know where to go next time I take my dog for a walk. I'll conveniently forget my pooper-scooper home.

The owner of the minicab firm, Niven Sinclair, was also very insensitive, telling me that what had happened to me wasn't really very important, and I should have more respect for other people's culture. They have shown very little respect for my rights as a disabled perso

i am disabled myself and after reading this and talking with my rep at the cnib he tells me thi is not syurpizeing as the blind and disabled inthe midle and far east are treated as 5th class peaple and even if this lady had been using a white cane istead of a dog he would have found a reason to not take her far to many from the midlle east and far east think tha you are desised and the blindness or handicap is catching
i have had muslim cabies refuxe too take me because im blind and in a wheel chair and they claim its fr religous reasons i feellike smeering thease jerks with pig fat


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,20544457-2,00.html?from=rss

(spokesman for Victoria Taxi)Mr Sach said the problem was often reversed and that Muslim drivers suffered discrimination from passengers who abused them for being "terrorists".

"Muslims are good people and the community has to realise that the days of the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant are well and truly over," he said.

alaskan1000 - It alreadys is happening in the US. This is from St. Paul Minnesota.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22769&only


feralee- I agree one day dogs will be banned in the UK and everywhere else.

The first time I ever looked up the word Sharia to see what it meant (after 9/11) I read an internet article about dog owners being arrested in Nigeria after sharia law was started. That was in August 2001.

ISLAMSFORLOSERS- Are there zoos in the islamic world? You bet. The animals are treated inhumanely. Eyes gouged out. Tortured and abused. Kept so that the brave fathers can teach their kids how to abuse animals they otherwise would not have access to. After the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan most of the animals at the zoo were put down because they were in such terrible physical condition. The zoo keepers pleaded innocence, that they just didn't have money anymore for food, but that was plainly a lie because the animals had obviously been TORTURED.

The world is slipping, bit by bit by bit.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0811/p07s01-wosc.html?s=hns

Worst Behaved At The Kabul Zoo? The Humans.

"The big problem with our country is that no one knows what to do with animals. The war has damaged their minds," he says, passing by an open pen for macaques, surrounded by a moat of filthy water filled with trash. "They stand here and throw stones, shoes, and even their hats at the animals. They fight with the animals, they don't come to just see the animals."

Bohemond_1069 the statement about mussies being behind us in wwII was from that idiot of a cab boss .
Maybe Robert or Hugh could put him right about which side they were really on .

I don't understand the "Brits" - the French and many other Europeans', but the "Brits" - no, don't unserstand this at all!!
These were the same people in WWII that took on Germany, and stayed alive untill the "Yanks" finally got ready and gave them a hand.
I'm an American through and through, but what happened to the "Brits"????
They stood up under insurmonutable odds in WWII, they should have crumbled, died as a nation, yet they won.
No the land of the Churchills,Scotland's Wm Wallace, Tolkins, CS Lewis, and the "Pics" (those formabile scottish enemies the Romans feared)are nothing but jello.
They are running for cover at unbelievable speed and they have their tail ends so far up in the air, it would be laughable as a funny pic but its not a picture its reality.

Where is the courage, fearlessness, determination, of the the people who the sun never sets on their empir???

I'd say they need another "Churchill" but I don't know if even he could or would want to try!! An excerpt from one of his famous speaches goes like this "....you may have to face a worse fate, to fight against all odds with no chance of winning, because to die is better than to live as slaves'".

The - "Brits" have choosen slavery - INBELEIVABLE!!!!!!!!!

Any "Brits" out there please esplain?? I really respect England. And just for the record I think the US is doing horribly in this mess.