Astounding. But alas, not surprising. in "Narcissism on Stilts," Harold Evans in the New York Sun (via Melanie Phillips, with thanks to PRCS) recalls what happened at the Guardian's Hay-on-Wye Festival this year:
Something similar happened at this year's Hay-on-Wye festival, sponsored by the Guardian, where a five-person panel discussed "Are there are any limits to free speech?" One of the Muslim panelists said if anyone offended his religion, he would strike him. A lawyer, Anthony Julius, responded that Jews had lived as minorities under two powerful hegemonies, Christian and Muslim, and had been obliged to learn how to deal nonviolently with offense caused to them by the sacred scriptures of both. He started by referring to an anti-Semitic passage in the New Testament — which passed without comment. But when he began to list the passages in the Koran that denigrate Jews, describing them as monkeys and pigs, the panelists went ballistic. One of them, Madeline Bunting of the Guardian, put her hand over the microphone and said words to the effect, "I am not going to sit here and listen to any criticisms of Muslims." She was cheered, and not one of the journalists in the audience from right or left uttered a word about free speech — not hate speech, mind you, but free speech of a moderate nature.It is understandable that the leaders of the Muslim community are sensitive to a stereotype of Muslims as enemies of the people. The vast majority — in Britain and certainly here — are decent, law-abiding citizens, and they deserve our sympathy and respect. But it is undeniable that terrorist crimes are committed by Muslims, and leaders in their communities have an obligation to denounce the jihadists. Symptomatic of the moral queasiness is the protest in Britain by 38 Islamic organizations, together with three members of the House of Commons and three of the House of Lords, who blame terrorism not on the jidhadists but on the foreign policy of Tony Blair and George Bush.
This attitude is, at the least, unhistorical. Islamic radicals were using Afghanistan as a base to plot murder, climaxing in 9/11, long before the ill-judged invasion of Iraq. In fact, they were plotting when the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was moving to a peaceful resolution. By attacking Mr. Blair instead of Osama bin Laden, the protesters in the Muslim community and their nursemaids in news organizations give the radicals a free pass and feed a sense of grievance among perennially disgruntled youth. Maybe the latest terrorist news — a plot to flood the subways under the Thames — will give second thoughts to all those well-meaning battalions of left and right and leaders of the Muslim community who have yet to see an anti-terrorism measure they approve.
The free pass is extraordinary in light of the deaths in Britain, the conviction last week of a man plotting to blow up the London subways, and the public warning last week by the head of British intelligence, who traditionally remains anonymous, that 30 more plots were in the offing.
These are the topics that should be worrying the press and broadcast organizations — that for all their brilliant staffers, resources, and reputation for authenticity, they can be fooled, and it is left to investigative Web sites to shout foul. In the Lebanon war this past summer, celebrated newspapers and television stations worldwide carried pictures showing that Israel had targeted two International Red Cross ambulances — a fabrication of Hezbollah that investigative Web sites ultimately exposed.
They haven't been 'fooled', they are willing partners. Multiculturalism leads to blindness and deafness apparently.
"It is understandable that the leaders of the Muslim community are sensitive to a stereotype of Muslims as enemies of the people. The vast majority — in Britain and certainly here — are decent, law-abiding citizens, and they deserve our sympathy and respect."
- from the article
This is an assumption, and it is an assumption far too many of our leaders and journalists are making.
Perhaps if Harold Evans knew more about Islam he would have omitted this from the article.
Islam teaches it's adherents that Islam must dominate and not be dominated.
Islam also teaches that it's followers must lie low and practice deceit until they achieve a position where they can dominate(a position they are rapidly achieving in many Western countries).
Islam teaches that infidels(all non-Muslims) must be converted, enslaved or killed...no other options exist and for those not Christian or Jewish one can cross 'enslaved' off that list - here the options are conversion to Islam or death.
Seriously, more commentators need to study Islam and Islam's murderous history before assuming Muslims are just like us.
Personally, I would like to know where is the outrage among that 'vast majority of decent, law-abiding Muslim citizens', over the numerous atrocities committed in the name of Islam?
And where are the programs designed to correct the jihadists in those communities?
The silence has been deafening from the 'moderate' Muslims...so deafening in fact that I tend to see those 'moderate' Muslims as silent accessories to violent Islamic jihad.
Censoring the criticism that she doesn't want to hear is her prerogative right now, but eventually the noise will grow so loud that she will be unable to ignore it any longer.
This panic over non-PC quotes from Mein Jihad once again shows what a potentially powerful weapon simply exposing the filthy truth may be for antijihadism. This truth is their Achilles' heel.
Not many people are aware of the cesspool of hatred contained in the Qur'an. Let the public be deluged with out-of-context, non-Arabic quotes of hate speech.
Anybody watch Glenn Beck last night? He had Jerry Bruckheimer on tv for an interview on his latest movie.
The movie portrayed a white guy as a terrorist, and Mr. Bruckheimer stated that the words the terrorist used in the movie were directly from transcripts of jihadists. Glenn Beck asked why was it ok to portray Germans as Nazis in movies, but it's not ok to show Arabs as terrorists? Mr. Bruckheimer replied it's just the way it is, you'll have a hard time finding a studio that will carry it.
This is totally insane, we know who the bad guys are, but political correctness(institutionalized censorship) has a say in everything.
No surprise that you can't question Muslims, but it's just fine to point fingers at anyone but them.
Sickening is the only word that comes to mind.
Niv
Madeline Bunting of the Guardian , listen you fool do you want to become wife no 4 of some sheik or slave girl no 8 of some mullah? Because thats what is going to happen if Islam dominates Britain. Will you be defending Islamofascism as he is forcing himself on you. you fool wake up.
you may email Mz Madeline Bunting of the Guardian:
Email Madeleine at workinglives@guardianunlimited.co.uk with your comments.
email her newspaper where she is associate editor at
commentisfree@guardian.co.uk
her profile page:
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/madeleine_bunting/profile.html
My post from before applies so here goes:
Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are awaiting the meeting of His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI with His Holiness Patriarch Barthalmew
http://www.patriarchate.org/
I hope they discuss this muslim madness that has gripped the world. PS I also believe the Pope has nothing to apologize re: his statement on Islam. The man was reading a historical (and accurate document) as an opening to dialogue with these lunatics.
As an Orthodox fromt the Greek church I can tell you horror stories from my ancestors in dealing with our friendly happy go luck muslims --they made sure to kill or expel every christian from Turkey and now there are under 1000 left in Istanbul.
argh wrong thread! lol
Aaah, Madeline, that's a good dhimmi, hope you are earning your keep and your protection from jihad.
There is a good reason of course why dhimmis under sharia are not allowed to own or study Koran.
The muslims in Turkey have killed millions of Christians there plus the thousands of jews that used to live there right up to the early 20th century. liberals hate this side of 'secular' turkey but what do you expect from a country where 99% of the people are Muslim? Like my exmuslim turkish friend has said in the past: "Turkey is one revolutionary coup away from becomig an Islamic Republic itself"
genocide is in vogue in those areas always has been:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/armenians.htm
more on the genocide committed gleefuly by muslims there (WARNING GRAPHIC PICTURES OF INNOCENT CHRISTIANS DYING AND BEING STARVED ETC)
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genocide/armenian_genocide.htm
notice they look alot like the jewish people found in the camps in WWII hmm I wonder why? didnt their muslim hosts let them live in peace as islam loves to claim to be a religion of peace. please remember all this stuff happend in the TWENTIETH century not long ago in the middle ages...
sorry again a wrong posting ! i meant that last two for the turkish thread on jihad watch . ah oh well it will show liberal media types reading this page what they DEFEND when they say they will not accept critism of muslims (actually it was critizm of Islam to be exact )
When you read the profile of the woman who spouted this wondrous line you instantly realize she's a professional Dhimmi of the highest standard
QUOTED FROM PROFILE
"Madeleine Bunting is a Guardian columnist and associate editor. She writes on a wide range of subjects including politics, work, Islam, science and ethics, development, women’s issues and social change.
She was awarded the Race in the Media award in 2005 by the Commission for Racial Equality for her work on the British Muslim community."
In short she's so far up Islam's backside i shocked she could actually hear the lawyers words
Hopefully she gets directed to read what Non Dhimmi folks think of her, so maybe she can be re-educated somewhat about the real world
Failing that MR SPENCER could you not maybe one day pin her down on some show and enlighten her to what she's actually surrendered too?
Allies, the sad thing is, it hasn't changed in 1400 years.
Btw Melanie Phillips, rocks and is worth a billion Madeline Bunting's
Madelaine Bunting! Not again!
As a twisted spinster she is nothing but a shill for the Islamo-fascists, in their pockets and on the Mohammedan propaganda payroll... along with 'georgeous' George Gallow-swine and the mayor of Londonistan, the Jew-hating 'Red-Ken' Livingstone...
What do you expect?
A lawyer, Anthony Julius, responded that Jews had lived as minorities under two powerful hegemonies, Christian and Muslim, and had been obliged to learn how to deal nonviolently with offense caused to them by the sacred scriptures of both...
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Did any else notice that this "outrage" happened, ironically, as a jewish person was trying to explain how it is possible to react non-violently to religious offence?
George Galloway is going to be one of the "Inspirational Speakers" at the Global Peace & Unity Event in London, England on November 25 & 26.
http://www.theglobalunity.com/
(This is a pro-Islam event.)
She certainly does deserve to turn into Concubine #1000 of some Sultan instead of being able to insult Jews and Christians in public while hypocritically lobbying for the EU in general and Britain in particular to ban any criticism of Islam.
She writes on a wide range of subjects including politics, work, Islam, science and ethics, development, women’s issues and social change.
She knows so much about everything that she knows nothing about anything.
"The vast majority — in Britain and certainly here — are decent, law-abiding citizens, and they deserve our sympathy and respect."
-- from the article above
As MikeW above has already taken issue, I wish to enroll my voice in his chorus. What is the definition of "decent" here? "Law-abiding" means little if you are prepared only to obey those laws that do not conflict with the Holy Law of Islam, and if furthermore you objectively further the goal of replacing the legal and political institutions of the Infidel nation-state with something quite different, something that would not guarantee equal rights for non-Muslims, nor free speech, nor free exercise of conscience, nor a great many other things. The applicable test is whether or not the Muslim in the Infidel lands is outwardly "decent" and "law-abiding" but whether he furthers, or wishes to further, the stated and widely-understood and not-to-be-ignored goals of Islam, to remove all obstacles to its dominance, so that Islam may everywhere dominate, and everywhere Muslims prevail.
If one knows what is contained in Qur'an and Hadith, and one knows about the figure of Muhammad, about what he said and did and all that he was said to have said and did, and knows further that he is regarded as the Perfect Man, worthy of emulation beyond all others, and for all time, then it is hard to agree that Muslims -- any Belivers in Islam -- should be entitled to either the "sympathy" or the "respect" of free men, capable of skeptical inquiry, wishing to retain their own legal and political institutions and fully aware of the superiority of those institutions to Islam and to societies molded by, suffused with, Islam.
There is a difference. The difference matters. There is really little in common -- or nothing in common, nothing shared of significance -- between Muslims and non-Muslims. That is what a study both of Islam and of the history of Islamic conquest teaches. And the more you study, the more that lesson impresses itself upon you.
"The applicable test is whether or not the Muslim in the Infidel lands is outwardly 'decent' and 'law-abiding' but whether he furthers, or wishes to further, the stated and widely-understood and not-to-be-ignored goals of Islam, to remove all obstacles to its dominance, so that Islam may everywhere dominate, and everywhere Muslims prevail."
Hugh - Well said. Thank you.
The ArchDhimmi of Canterbury recently, in an address on religion and society, cited positively how the Guardshaveleftian newspaper held a semilar for moslem journalists to understand them, etc,etc.
Funny how he didn't take the opportunity to ask why no such event had been done for Chritians or Jews!
He then proceeded to a meeting of the http://www.christianmuslimforum.org/
In his lecture he arrogantly projected his own desire for peace and civilised dialogue onto moslems.
I mean, how date we tarnish others with our assumptions that they are like us?
I hope I am wrong, but I received the distinct impression from his speech that this forum would be better called the Christian-doormat:Moslem-taqyia forum.
exposesithlords isn't that the boycott all Jews and those who do business with Jews Dhimmi? Just what did you expect from such a leftist?
Yeah, let's not say anything bad about Islam, because the truth is too painful to bear. I like the part where that idiot threatened to hit anyone who dared to speak ill of the one true religion. This and yesterday's story about that nut in the Phillipines who went nuts over a piece of pork show wonderfully how this master race mentality of Islam is becoming more and more noticeable. Next thing you know these peaceful ones will be carrying billy clubs at all times so they can apply a thorough beating on the spot for anyone insulting their "religion". I believe the Germans once had a name for people who did such things. I think they called them the Gestapo.
Britain is dead. I mean, we've got problems all over the West with this sort of nonsense, but it seems like other countries are at least sort of starting to wake up. We've got books like Robert's and Mark Steyn's selling like crazy here in the US and Canada, and newspapers like the National Post in Canada with lots of op-ed pieces exposing Islam for what it really is. But not in the UK. Every few days brings another absurd story from the UK. If it isn't this sort of PC idiocy at a public forum, it's the head of MI5 blaming radical Muslims on Iraq and Afghanistan, or news that Muslim radicals are working in the home office, or news that Prince Chuck is planning on becoming "Defender of faiths," or news that hijabs are okay at British Airways but not tiny crosses, or -- well, you get the picture.
Everyone rags on the French for their dhimmitude, but the Brits take a back seat to nobody in that department these days.
The whole nature of the debate is crazy. My guess is that the kid gloves can be attributed to personal biases of the senior managers with control of the news cycle. Their formative years were spent tearing down institutions in the name of equality.
We’ve now defined deviancy downward to the point that the ideology we are considering is truly evil. But these senior media managers are so personally invested, by means of their life work, in the concept of multiculturalism, that they are paralyzed. To fully report the truth would cause their personal involvement in the present decline to be exposed. And history will not look kindly on them when the smoke clears.
Thank you again for what is presented on this web-site.
ISLAM, don't call us Intolerant or Violent or we will Kill you!!
I can't even get my head around that
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Symptomatic of the moral queasiness is the protest in Britain by 38 Islamic organizations, together with three members of the House of Commons and three of the House of Lords, who blame terrorism not on the jidhadists but on the foreign policy of Tony Blair and George Bush.
The real outrage here is that there are a WHOPPING total of THIRTY-EIGHT islamic organizations in GREAT BRITAIN!!!! No Empire has ever faced defeat that completely before.
RISE UP ALBION!!!! Please? if not for yourselves..
RISE UP ALBION!!!!!
KIDS... Why are there so many GREEKS posting so recently to these forums? Since the Papal Visit to Konstantinopoulos is so very near..???? Should we not considewr their words as the last screams of the Canary in the coal mine?
THEY KNOW WHEREOF THEY SPEAK!!! For crying out LOUD!!!
For Christ's Sake?
Let us listen to the Greeks VERY closely and carefully for they are the land of Our common origen - as fas as Our common culture and *PHILOSOPOHOS* are concerned.
They are ClOSER than any of us to the problem - and yet they still remain ALIVE and DEFIANT!!
LONG LIVE HELLAS!!!
if Greece ever needs help.. I will be there - no matter my age. if I can help defend you - I hope to be in your ranks.
Germans have never been ones to choose sides wisely - or ethically. I am one who hopes to break that mould! I ask my countrymen to be on the right side of History for once! We are the Heart of Europe now. For better or worse. I pray it shall be for GOOD this time around. It may well be the last time any of us have a choice.
We went against the Jews.. we went against the Greeks who gave us Civilisation.. against our Franco brothers and against our Anglish cousins. We now must be very very careful which side we choose. I know I am but one and I have long ago chosen the side I am on. I do not care whether the rest are with me or if they will disappoint me but I know the side I am on is the rightful one. I am not religious but I know the side I have chosen to be the Side of God. I am deeply pained for being unsure what side my counrymen will ultimately be on. And I will go against them if they choose [the seemingly easy] Path of Darkness once again. I pray that the Good people of Germany will stand up and take their place among the True Europeans.. the Serbs.. SEMYAKS!! the Brits.. and the AMERICANS.. the Poles and the Czeks.. the Slowaks.. The Ukranians.. I Pray that we shall stand with the brave Danes when the chips are down... that we will shall be ready to shed our blood for the brave Spaniards when they call upon the Resistance for aid... Germans.. DO NOT CHICKEN OUT THIS TIME! It may well be our last. We have a historic duty and guilt to pay off. SHOW SOME COURAGE, DEUTSCHLAND!! I know we can fight.. let's fight among the GOOD SIDE in this last and decivice battle..!!! We are in the Centre of Europe. Much depends on us. Let us STAND UP for all that is GOOD and RIGHT this time!
How coincidental that her name should be Bunting.
Does not a baby, threatened by exposure to a chill, get wrapped up in a cozy, warm, restrictive 'Bunting bag'?
How appropriate.
Prophet Geoff
La Bunting is famous for being fatuous...........
Bunting
Bunting 2
Madeleine Bunting is a British journalist and writer who is an Associate Editor and columnist on The Guardian.
Born in North Yorkshire, Bunting was educated at Corpus Christi College, Cambridge, where she read History, and won a Knox postgraduate fellowship to study Politics and teach at Harvard. After a period working for Brooks Productions (1988-89) she joined The Guardian taking up posts as a news reporter, leader writer religious affairs editor, associate editor and regular columnist. Bunting is noted for her advocacy of religious belief from a liberal position and her antipathy to atheism.
Madeleine Bunting was appointed Director of the London based think tank Demos in June 2006 and took up her position at the beginning of September. The following month she resigned, owing to differences with the trustees over the direction of the organisation. Bunting has returned to her old position at The Guardian and is writing a book on the countryside.[1]
Bunting 3
Bye, baby Bunting.
Daddy's gone a hunting,
To get a little piggy skin
To wrap his baby Bunting in.
Ah! but Hay-on-Wye is techically not part of Britain, it is independent because of Richard something or other.
There are two main reasons why people go there, to buy books, for the town of some four thousand is packed with over a score of second-hand bookshops, and to pick hallucinogenic mushrooms which grow wild on the Black Mountains. That is why the place has been a magnet for burnt out hippies. My five-year-old neighbour once said 'If you go to Hay there are lots of hippos, and they've got a magic mushroom'.
I went there last year in search of books on Islam that had been written before the days of political correctness, but did not succeed in finding any, I just bought one called 'Brighter than the Baghdad sun' about Saddam Hussain's attempt to acquire a nuclear device and his chemical and biological weapons programme.
The intolerance towards dissent shown at that festival event is not far off that displayed in Cusop, a mile outside Hay, in 1797 when one of Wesley's itinerant preachers, William Steward, was stoned to death by a mob.
The Guardian is truely a fraek show of a news organisation.
I found this little snippet on their web site, if you read through you will ask your self at the end of it "whats the dirty American secret?"
It truely is a freak show.
Regards
AI
So, bunting and the others don't want to know true history. They prefer the fable of sweet, peaceful Islam. Freaks, fools, ignoramuses, enemies of civilization, take your choice. Maybe they are all of the above.
I wish people would stop writing us Brits off.
It's not helpful and were far from from dead and buried.
Sure some parts of London are knackered but even those are very localised and usually have something to do with Galloway and his cronies.
They are in a total minority I assure you.
Next time you come here head out of stinking London and have a look.
It's not dead and it's not gone and the beer is better the further away from London you get.
As for the Guardian,what do expect?
As for Hay-on-wye..well most of the year it's a rural Idyll and not in the least concerned for the Gaurdianistas who congreate for mutual backslapping.
Also on that same festival was something called "the blasphemy debate"
With Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry.
Both of whom would fit the title of the next Churchill were all lookin for.
Please listen to it.
http://www.hayfestival.com/archive/2006/05/blasphemy-debate.aspx
Listen to Fry's passion speech at the end...
Of course being gay he might not be to the tastes of some hateful people on here.
He's one of the most erudite and intelligent people you might find.
But being gay he also knows the great peril he would face under an Islamic theocracy.
Please dont keep writing us Brits off.
It's not representative and the tide is turning.
Believe me.
Sorry folks I forgot to add the link to the actual story.
Here it is:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,1892584,00.html
Regards
AI
Please dont keep writing us Brits off.
That's done simply for fear of recognising The Long Retreat in the US and the power of the Warren Court to entrench Gramscian Values.............
Please dont keep writing us Brits off.
What you mean the nation of PC cowards - you have written yourselves of - oh so proud of your tolerance - look where it has got you now - YOU ARE LOST.
It's sad that some here want to believe what the jihadis would have us believe that most of europe is lost.
Could it be projection?
Jihadis in disguise perhaps?
Dream on...the U.K. and europe are FAR from lost.
You watch too much telly and see a few Arab chumps rioting mostly about drug turf wars.
When you watch the same reports about "soccer" hooligans going mental that IS true and these guys are doing it just for fun.
Now imagine if you will what would happen if they REALLY meant it.
This is where the real England lies.
It's a manifestation of English pride and 99% of Brits feel the same I can assure you.
We drink hard and fight even harder.
Stop watching the BBC for once,stop beliving the defeatist shit you get fed.
Come over and see for yourself.
I'd be more than happy to take any JW/DW guys out on good old British night out...trouble is you wouldn't be able to keep up.
A few champayne socialists getting there handbags out at a poncey literary festival does not mean the end of civilisation as we know it.
Get a grip.
This is an example of the sort of PC drivel, you can read in the Guardian.Where a Jewish journalist shows sympathy for his Muslim friends(sic)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1924742,00.html
As John Sobieski say that
"Multiculturalism leads to blindness..."
note the comment posted by Serenity 87
"In my youth i was a member of RAR and the Anti-Nazi league. I didn't just wear the badges and the T-Shirts I got involved. I went on Marches, I marched against the NF in my home town of Bradford as well as taking time off work to do the same in Birmingham,Lewisham,Coventry and other places up and down the country. Not because i enjoyed the excitement and the violence- i was shitting myself with fear for the most part - but i did it because i thought it was necessary. I didn't want my country to turn into a Nazi shithole.
Then in '88 or'89 there was a march through the centre of my town by members of the muslim community protesting about the Satanic Verses - calling for the dismemberment of Salman Rushdie and burning copies of his book. I stood on the street - on my own - with a home made placard which read simply 'Freedom of Speech '
I was dragged behind the college and beaten without mercy and some of the chaps doing the beating were ones i had been on protests with a decade earlier and they knew me. They had been my 'friends'. I was in hospital for three weeks and i still can't see out of my left eye.
I am not nor ever have been a 'Liberal' or a 'Guardianista' or a trendy leftie. I was a commited Socialist the same as my grandad who fought in the Spanish civil War as well as volunteering in the Second world war.
I am still a socialist, but now i know who my fucking enemies are."
This is the fate coming to all Liberal Lefties who side with the Muslims.
Death to the PC World!!!
To ovinesongs:
Very few of us are writing you Brits off. We're concerned about you. But we won't give up on you as long as at least one Brit remains standing.
In celebration of English heroism, consider the following lines. They are from Shakespeare's Henry V, imagine the brilliant Kenneth Branagh version. A more rousing image of English heroism -- of any heroism -- than appears in Branagh's performance of Henry V can hardly be imagined (you have to see the movie, reading the words below is nothing in comparison):
Now picture the British hugely outnumbered by the French, as dawn and battle approach...
[The English cheer loudly while hearing that speech, their morale skyrockets][The English soldiers break into cheers at decisive points of the foregoing speech]
I know Henry IV very well after having studied it.
Henry V is not so familiar but the history is.
I shall dig it out.
I see myself as a cross between Prince Hal and Falstaff.
A cup of sack and a warm bed is all I need,perhaps a wench every now and then.
My Grandfather was at Arnhem and after weeks of being outnumbered and outgunned by the Germans were offered a surrender.
The commanding officer of my Grandads Paratroop regiment issued a statement to the germans to the words.."Tell them thanks but were not able to take prisoners at the moment so we'll have to decline there kind offer to surrender"
We can turn the tables on anyone.
People are waking up here in blighty.
Slowly but surely.
Let's face facts when push comes to shove the mohammedans are cowards in the field.
I have this from the horse's mouth.
One of my best friends was in the cold stream guards served 2years in Bosnia and more in Iraq.
Both Gulf conflicts.
I think you need more than religious zeal.
I dont know what it is but when you meet a British Squaddie you can feel it.
Same with your average Brit.
It's a sense of humour mostly I think.
That's the difference and that's what gives us are humanity above and beyond that of a Jihadhi arsewipe.
We laugh they just moan and cry like babies.
The worst thing that could happen to madeline and her Commie newspaper, the Guardian ,is that it would be taken over by newscorp.
American,
Hey girl, Happy Thanksgiving! I hope you will be celebrating with some friends today, even though you're not on U.S. soil. Have a great day!
Isabella : )
ovinesongs you know what true brits are like! muslims always seem to be playing the victim in britain and all the left wing muzzy sympathizers call the shots. they make the laws to so the silent majority cannot do anything short on starting a civil war, even then i bet the police and co would be called into defend the poor muslims. what can the NORMAL people of britain do? this has me stumped because anything we do will have us arrested and labeled as racists its stupidly insane. anyone else think the big brother government is already here?
I have to agree with all the sentiments expressed here, it ain't over yet, in fact as far as "the awakening" goes it has just started.
Have these plebs in the PC media ever asked themselves, why if criticism of islam is racist is it that people like Bishop Nazir Ali and John Sentanamu, VS Naipaul, every Sikh, Hindu, arab christian, Greek and Armenian will never have anything good to say about this bestial religion ?
Are we all hard core Nazis or do we know something they don't ?
I think we all need to purchase a copy of "islam what the west needs to know" copy it and post it to all and sundry, every military, policeman civil servant, teacher, magistrate, family member,friend, work collegue everyone.
The British People are waking up.
I read a couple of weeks ago in the press about clashes between "asian" (maybe they were Tibetan Buddhists)and "white" youths (members of a lost Latvian stag party no doubt).
This my friends is how the horror of the partition of India occurred in 1947, scattered clashes that escalated and the full scale riots.
We all know what happened. My parents lived through it
It is only just begining in the UK.
We will win because we are free people.
Regards
AI
I was at the Hay-on-Wye literary and book festival and, truth to tell, I do not remember it exactly as Harold Evans does.
However, I may be wrong so please download and listen to/watch this particular event - (Freedoms of Speech (27 May 2006) Hitchens and Tharoor. Hay Festival 2006. Christopher Hitchens and Shashi Tharoor, chaired by Joan Bakewell. Vigorous late-night debate around the Danish cartoons, David Irving, and contrarian culture. Tharoor is Under-Secretary General for Communications at the UN and a novelist.)
You can do this by going to:
http://www.hayfestival.com/archive/results.aspx?eventid=44&searchstring=Freedoms%20of%20Speech
and clicking on one of the download options.
Naturally, I shall do this too - and probably discover that my memory is faulty!
Dominic.
americaningermany/
But, in Britain you're not allowed to own a gun
'Scuse me. Nobody told me that. I live in England and I own several guns (with ammo) all capable of being fired. Get your facts right. We have a licencing system to keep guns out of the hands of the loonies but it doesn't mean that we cannot own guns. This is an American 'urban myth' (so to speak).
or even (to all intents and purposes) resist assault
Rubbish. One is allowed by law and statute to resist assault using proportionate force. Where the hell do you think American law got that from, eh? I'll try to search a web reference but my memory tells me that we have had that right since at least 1066 (probably much earlier for it was certainly part of Saxon law) - a significant number of centuries before your country even existed!
The misinterpretations told about British law and passed of as fact by uninformed commentators have really begun to bug me recently.
Dominic.
Ovinesongs, no one here wants to write Britain off.
Both my mother and my aunt served in the army in England as teens during WWII. My mother went through the London blitz, and once worked in a building that sustained a direct hit--the bomb--a dud--went right through the hallway outside her office. She and her co-workers waited *three days* for rescue sitting over an unexploded bomb, since they were rather lower priority than those in burning buildings.
My petite aunt drove munitions and supply trucks from London to the mouth of the Thames under extremely dangerous blackout conditions.
Britain was worth fighting for then and it is worth fighting for now
I agree that Christopher Hitchens is a very strong and impressive thinker. I may not agree with him on every point, but I admire his courage and refusal to bow to PC pieties. I will have to look up Stephen Fry--I'm not familiar with his work. I hope you're right in comparing them to Winston Churchill.
I just finished Melanie Phillips excellent and very disturbing book, "Londonistan". I would highly recommend that everybody here read it.
Sorry - that should be 'passed off as fact'
Dominic.
THERE'LL ALWAYS BE AN ENGLAND
There'll always be an England,
While there's a country lane,
Wherever there's a cottage small
Beside a field of grain.
There'll always be an England,
While there's a busy street,
Wherever there's a turning wheel
A million marching feet.
Red, white and blue,
What does it mean to you?
Surely you're proud
Shout it aloud.
Britons awake!
The Empire too,
We can depend on you,
Freedom remains
These are the chains
Nothing can break.
There'll always be an England,
And England shall be free,
If England means as much to you
As England means to me.
"This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in a silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house
Against the envy of less happier lands
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm
This England"
There now. That's the England I live in and still believe in. F**k the da**ed islamists and their strange and unnatural ways.
And, do you know something, I really don't care how much the PC brigade criticise me for this sentiment - I just pity them.
Dominic.
Oh, and before I get accused of not giving praise where it is due, the song which I quoted in my last post (above) was composed and written by Ross Parker and Harry Par-Davies. The words were written by Hugh Charles, and the most popular version was sung by Vera Lynn.
The original may have had a first verse as follows:
I give you a toast, ladies and gentlemen.
I give you a toast, ladies and gentlemen.
May this fair dear land we love so well
In dignity and freedom dwell.
Though worlds may change and go awry
While there is still one voice to cry - - -
Dominic.
"The misinterpretations told about British law and passed of as fact by uninformed commentators have really begun to bug me recently.
Dominic."
Dominic, the misinterpreters are generally the same ones who never miss a chance to piss on Europe because of all the ways it refuses to be American. As a non-American who is staunchly pro-American (which is NOT the same thing as being blindly supportive of everything its leaders do and say) I have to say I find it depressing.
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Not only freedom of speech is curtailed due to this "sensitivity" to the "peaceful Muslims"...gun laws in UK suck...here's some links covering the last decade...is it all BS?
http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel012201.shtml
http://members.aol.com/gunbancon/Laws.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/6/22/63817.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2001/08/07/guns-usat.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk_politics/955984.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_2350000/newsid_2358100/2358163.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1024076.stm
http://www.learnenglish.org.uk/magazine/magazine_home_disarmament.html
UK better reverse this nonsense and re-arm before the home-grown jihadis hit the streets en masse.It appears as though they would like to kill more Brits, and many are planning to do just that.