The jihadists recognize their ideological kin in those who are calling for appeasement and surrender. It is unfortunate, however, that in the Manichaean environment of today's political debate a third way is not getting more of a hearing: instead of trying futilely to democratize Iraq, why not deploy American troops in a manner designed to resist the jihad, and stymie jihad activity -- among other things by, as Hugh Fitzgerald has pointed out here many times, exploiting naturally occurring divisions among those waging the jihad, and countering with force aggression by jihadists, as in the Sudan? This would not be the President's doomed Wilsonian experiment, but it certainly wouldn't be the appeasement that has these jihadists licking their lips calling on Americans to vote Democratic.
"Mideast terror leaders to U.S.: Vote Democrat: Withdrawal from Iraq would embolden jihadists to destroy Israel, America," by Aaron Klein at WorldNetDaily.com:
JERUSALEM – Everybody has an opinion about next Tuesday's midterm congressional election in the U.S. – including senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND who say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party's position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are "tired."
They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed.
They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance "resistance" against Israel.
"Of course Americans should vote Democrat," Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, told WND.
"This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud," said Jaara, speaking to from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege.
Jaara is still actively involved with the Brigades, the declared "military wing" of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party.
Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis.
Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats' talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel "proud."
"As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk," he told WND. "Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal."
Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the Democrats' policy of withdrawal "proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation."
"We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq," said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas' Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas' declared "resistance" department. "They did not succeed in stealing Iraq's oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw."
Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is "emboldened" by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam.
"[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq," boasted Abu Ayman.
... and vote often .
Seriously , for heaven's sake all you posters with a vote must USE IT or the unthinkable will happen . Statistics show time and time again that apathy always wins every election . Don't let it be so this time .
Those jihadists are increasingly sharp. They know who their natural allies are.
Definitely bipolar, the jihadis. Endorsing the vote! Will they leave America alone if the Democrats win? Will they let Peace reign in Iraq if America pulls out? The dangerous part is if American Muslims follow the fatwa to vote for the Democrats! In that case, it would be interesting to see how Americans defeat the fatwa, like they did with the 'Buy Danish' campaign!
On the other hand, these guys might be even more clever than one suspects. They say vote Democrat hoping that such a statement will disgust voters to vote Republican. If the Republicans win the jihadists figure current policy will continue and that would help them attract more "freedom fighters" and kill more Americans. Either way, it seems, these bastards would win.
We Need to Flood the Internet With this News !!!!
Get it out to everyone you know, and remind them that a Liberal in power will bring the USA to its knees. We will once and for all we'll look as if we're French, and everyone will take advantage, especially the terrorists.
A cut and run will stir the same beliefs in these scum that the pull outs of Beruit, and Somalia.
Whatever happened to voting for the best candidate...
Oh, I forgot - the Islamonazis and Dhimmicrats are still pissed off about the 2000 election...
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
Visit the following link to find out why your vote is so critical.
http://www.thepoliticalpitbull.com/2006/11/video_we_cant_underestimate_th.php
Statistics show time and time again that apathy always wins every election . Don't let it be so this time .
Posted by: WeatherPermitting
This is nothing but hot air and bluster. I am sure they were asked these leading questions by leftist journos.
Bush is a crypto-liberal. He just hides it better than Kerry does for example.
Let's not legitimize these "parties" by giving either of them votes!
Party's over boys and girls.
These Sunni Arab Jihadists come in various kinds. There are those who have received the most attention in the American press: the volunteers who arrive from outside Iraq, and who are considered to be part of the local succursale of Al Qaeda. There are the supporters of Saddam Hussein and his regime (often called Ba'athists). There are those Sunnis who are Iraqis, who were never treated well by the regime, but who nonetheless do not wish to see a transfer of power (and thus of money) to the Shi'a.
Many, in all three groups, are convinced that if only the Americans leave, they will be able to inherit Iraq. But they are wrong. And it is wrong to simply assume that they know what they are talking about, and that an American withdrawal would lead to a "victory for Jidadissts" (i.e., for Sunni Arabs -- we'll get to the Shi'a in a minute). Why? Why should we all be fearful of withdrawing, or fearful of voting for candidates who support such a withdrawal, if such a withdrawal will not lead to a "victory for Jihadists" but rather to such constant warfare, of all sides against all sides, that in the ensuing chaos there will be no chance for some "Jihadist victory."
Those who blackmail us into supporting the continued American presence in Iraq keep referring to the "victory of the Jihadists." They appear, that is, to share the convictions and predictions of the Sunni Arabs who are now fighting against the Americans as the symbol and support of the current Shi'a-dominated regime. But if the Americans leave, what will happen? Will the Shi'a Arabs be readier to compromise? Or will they be able to unleash their own forces without the staying hand of the American soldiers, who carefully observe all the rules of warfare and try to get the hopeless Muslim soldiers to do the same.
Will the Shi'a, who outnumber the Sunni Arabs by more than 3 to 1, suddenly cease to outnumer them? Will the weaponry they have acquired, from Saddam Hussein's armories, from the Americans, and from the Iranians, suddenly cease to exist? Will the training they have received as "Iraqi" soldiers and "Iraqi" police over the past few years simply be forgotten? Will they not know how to defend themselves, or to go on the offensive? And what country shares the longest and most important border with Iraq, the one most easily reached, the one that is not reached by a long trek through the desert -- is it Sunni-populated Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Syria, or is rather Shi'a-populated Iran?
Many simply do not think further than whatever a phrase supplies. Tell them, and repeat often enough, that "if we pull out the Jihadists will win" they will then think to themselves, "yes, that's right, if we pull out the Jihaidsts will win, won't they." But how many will ask: what does this phrase "the Jihadists will win" mean? Who are these "Jihadists"? Is it the Sunnis? Is it the Shi'a? Is it various kinds of Sunnis, and various kinds of Shi'a? What does it mean when the word "Jihadist" is used to apply to some Muslims, but not others, in Iraq or elsewhere? And if the "Jihadists" are, say, Sunni Arabs, and if the Sunni Arabs constitute only 19% of the population, while the Shi'a Arabs constitute 60-65%, with almost all the rest being non-Arba Kurds who have their own need to supplant the Sunni Arabs in Kirkuk and Mosul, then just how easy will it be for those "Jihadists" to prevail? And with Shi'a Iran next door, will they be able to prevail? Or will they instead have to rely on aid -- money, volunteers, and weaponry -- from such Sunni states as Egypt, Jordan, and above all, Saudi Arabia? And if that is to happen, won't Iran supply the same to its co-religionists? And then what?
Does it matter "then what?" Does it matter if the Muslim states are forced to use up their men, their money, their war materiel, their attention, worry about Shi'a revolts in eastern Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, worry about Hezbollah volunteers arriving (and wouldnt' the Maronites, and the Druse, and the Sunnis of Lebanon, breif a sigh of relief as those Hezbollah volunteers marched off to Iraq?).
Impossible you say? Not at all.
Bad, you say, because Turki al-Faisal and King Abdullah and Mubarak and all their friends and sympathizers -- James Baker, Scowcroft, Lee Hamilton (no, he's more in the 'two-state-solution' line, the line being promted evderywhere, behind the scenes, by the sinister and very active Robert Malley of the International Crisis Group) --- e tutti quanti?
"Instability" is bad in the Muslim countries, is it?
Was the Iran-Iraq War a good thing or a bad thing? Tell me.
I mean, of course, good for Infidels, not good for the Camp of Islam. Please don't confuse the two. Not now. And not ever again.
Hugh,
Great post. But, since you are asking...
"Was the Iran-Iraq war a good thing or bad thing?"
Now, I assume you are talking about the war between Iraq and Iran during the 1980's, in which Saddam used chemial weapons against Iran. Well, I'd say that was a bad thing...
Now, as for your analysis that seems to support a pullout of Iraq and just walking away from the whole mess. I don't think you have completely thought through the consequences.
Sure, the Shia and Sunni factions would battle it out, and one would emerge a winner, however, we then are confronted with a lot of pissed off losers who will blame the United States for pulling out and leaving them to the dogs. Not to mention that both Iran and Syria (who have publicly declared their hate for America) would have a major hand in the destruction and remodelling of the Iraqi political landscape.
Besides being a political disaster for America, it would be seen as another Vietnam and Mogadishu for our enemies. America would be seen as a paper tiger. Which, would only serve to embolden the Islamonazis further, and increase their attacks on the United States.
I believe Colin Powell said at the beginning of the Iraq war - You break it, you own it...
Besides, when you are in a war, one doesn't sit there and debate whether to pull out or not, like the Democrats and Republicans are doing. You either WIN the war, or you LOSE the war. It's just that simple.
Anyway, that's just my humble opinion...
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
P.S. - that should be, "chemical" in my above post. The batteries are low in my wireless keyboard, and the characters aren't always transmitted to the receiver.
Yes, I'll get some new batteries today...
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
What a sad piece of right-wing propaganda this post is. ‘Don’t vote democrat because that’s what the terrorists want?’ Robert, give me a break. The American voting public are going to support the Democrats because the Republican cause is seen to be strategically impotent (in Iraq). The Republican Neo-Cons had completely the wrong strategy for post-war Iraq. And the voting public recognize that the hubris of Rumsfeld and Cheney has contributed to the American lack of success in the middle-east
This is bullcrap political sloganeering, what they use to call Jingoism
Pure BullcrapOn the other hand I take note than in October Osama ALWAYS came out with a tape, which of course reinforced Bush's (Republican's) claim to power.
Islam (and the Jihadi's) thrive on being persecuted, "persecution and "attacks on Islam" are their best recruiting tools..and used or manufactured extensively by them.
Truth is they want and need an ongoing campaign, and the stereotype of surrender Democrats is anathema to the needs of the Jihadi's.
Urgent Message for Aaron Klein America cannot be destroyed by Jihadis, it can only be destroyed by divisive self righteous Manichean Americans.. and that destruction is a project well underway, and it really got going with the ascension to power of a mutually exclusive ultra divisive force and ideology in January,2001.
Aaron Kleins real concern it seems is for Israel, and not America, and he conflates America with Israel to play the politics of fear. Israel is under threat and will be under threat so long as it has muslim neighbors, and so long as muslims believe that all lands over which the flag of Islam has flown are forever muslim and must be reclaimed.
No amount of armed force can defeat an ideology, the power of Rome could not wipe out the idea of Christianity, and Constantine (a wise man) realized, if you can't beat them, join them and then coopt them.
No amount of armed force or wasted kaffir lives and money can defeat the Jihadi's or save Israel..
Ideas can only be defeated with a better idea, and inescapable proof that one's idea (religion) is not only a failure, but false...good luck at that.
What is the Christian reaction when their religion is rebuffed or questioned as a failure and false?
Imagine then the Islamic reaction.
I agree with the good Doctor, and I am gladdened that he is modest with it. Although he seems to think that his humble opinion might not be the most eminent, I think that it is certainly the soundest on this page.
We're in Iraq now, and we have to be seen to be fighting, not running away. It is a scene where we are at the spearhead against the Jihadists. We are taking the war that they started to them, and they don't like it, of course. This is why Osama asked you all to vote for the forces' friend, John Kerry - I don't think my memory fails me.
I still remember 9/11. I think that Jihadists recruit by staging such "extravaganzas". They get kudos by "drawing" with the Israeli's. Getting the Great Satan out of Iraq would be a fantastic boon. And if America and her allies did withdraw, then it might mean that some human beings, albeit Moslems, would kill each other in a great blood bath (as we seem to be so keen to see happen).
But Islam is, what, 1400 years in the making, and still coming to a town near you - eventually. This conflict would be a hiccup. And Islam will be coming all the faster when, in their amazingly long memories, they remember that their chief enemy, the only thing standing between them and world domination, showed the first signs of wobbling, and cut and ran back in Iraq, in the glorious year of 200-.
Bullshit, the Democrats are just as tough (for the most part) as the Republicans are on terror, just smarter. They can not and do not endorse appeasement because the American public is against appeasement. Withdrawal from Iraq is simply an intelligent move. What good is Iraq to us? Shouldn't we relocate our troops to other places where they can do a better job against terror?
somebody said The American voting public are going to support the Democrats because the Republican cause is seen to be strategically impotent (in Iraq).
well, we know what the Americans think about Limeys who think they know what's best for the Americans. That's what I love about them. We in Britain should take a leaf out of this book with regards the evil European Union.
forget about political party's,they BOTH suck.We need a leader to do just that LEAD this country.if i just cared about what party what,hearing religion of peace condi,or watching our president holding hands with the enemy in the rose garden would turn me off rebublican for sure.Vote for the person who speaks like they have a clue.
Yes I agree Patriot8,
The dems need to suppress the vote or they lose, period. I.e. stay home, be mad don’t vote, open the borders, attorneys for every terrorist, we are smarter, republicans don’t care, what a bunch of garbage. Be warned the conservative patriots of this country are not going to turn tail and run at the sight of Iraq. Iraq is an issue, a big issue, but not the only issue. We will be there on Election Day. I am assuming that if osama has not attacked or threatened to attack by then that he is supporting the dems.
The Dems- want us out, end of story. Leaving will give Iraq the civil war some here want, although it looks like a short one, followed by more of what is already going on now, with us there.
Once we leave, a act of congress will be required, along with a mandate from the U.N. (remember them?) will be needed to defend the country by building up for another war. The Dems also think along the lines of a draft, although it is only spoke of in coded terms to the public that is watching.
Some here mention fights going on elsewhere, which will require the U.N. to give a go to fight, and then only on the rules decided at the U.N. body. This is a basket we are in as long as the U.S. is a member of the U.N. The Dems are throughly in the camp of the U.N. way to find a solution.
Islam will fight each other there, but some, who prefer to fight against the non-belivers will follow the U.S. troops home, to think not would be unwise. To attack Iran, will require the U.N. to exhaust every diplomatic option, and then some more. The U.S. is a member of the U.N. The Dems will follow the U.N. mandate.
If you think a change is needed, I also think so as well. However, the Dems have yet to say anything that shows a road to victory, leaving Iraq will show just how much the U.S. is controlled by the U.N. Like it or not.
lol max infidel
pleeease run for president in 2008.
We need someone in office who doesn't take any BS.
We’re not used to endless fighting Posted by: MaxInfidel
They are coming for us no matter where we are, they won’t stop until they are stopped, resoundingly. They know that America must be eliminated for them to institute the global caliphate. We didn’t start this fight and we sure don’t have anywhere to go to avoid them. So we must fight them where ever they are, who ever they are.
With the dems the trouble is, they really do think they are smarter, they even said so recently. I don’t know about others but I don’t like being called stupid by dumb*****. In theory this suppression effort should work. Only they are thinking about it from a dem standpoint, it would work on some dems, but in order to suppress conservative turnout you must think like a conservative. The problem is they can’t, think, that is.
May I ? ....
The Perfect Tribute - from the Dems to all of Islam
Music video {I'm Your Puppet]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81Irv_CHcbM
Pull the string and I'll wink at you, I'm your puppet
I'll do funny things if you want me to, I'm your puppet
I'll be yours to have and to hold
Darling you've got full control of your puppet
Pull another string and I'll kiss your lips, I'm your puppet
Snap your finger and I'll turn you some flips, I'm your puppet
Your every wish is my command
All you gotta do is wiggle your little hand
I'm your puppet, I'm your puppet
I'm just a toy, just a funny boy
That makes you laugh when you're blue
I'll be wonderful, do just what I'm told
I'll do anything for you
I'm your puppet, I'm your puppet
Pull them little strings and I'll sing you a song, I'm your puppet
Make me do right or make me do wrong, I'm your puppet
Treat me good and I'll do anything
I'm just a puppet an you hold my string, I'm your puppet
Yeah, I'm your puppet
Walking, talking, living, loving puppet
I'm hanging on a string.., I'll do anything now
I'm a walking, talking, living, loving puppet, and I love you
I'm a smiling happy face when you want me to
Even make you happy when you're feeling blue
did bush right that before or after holding hands with that saudie dude?fits him PERFECT.
the bushy family has been their puppets for decades now.
Surely - the Albanian Muslims agree?
Is there ANY issue that the Demcrats are right about?
Somebody help me here, because I can't think of any...
Patriot8,
What would you do if you had a really good/old family friend/s and all of a sudden you began to suspect, hey this guy might want me dead. You aren’t sure and he hasn’t done anything to you directly, but never the less you are still suspicious. What do you do?
americaningermany,
How is your rep doing? If you are unhappy vote them out. The Pres. isn’t running, cant run again, so what are they going to run on when they don’t have BDS to propel them forward?
I dont know,tgusa
could start by asking how they could let little girls burn because they werent covered up http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/03/15/saudia3801.htm ,why cant woman drive?,why is there so much hate in your school books? bookshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13804825.
How can you say you can be freinds with America when you beleive in Wahhabi islam,dont that teach you that we are enemiesof yours?.....
but,if your goerge,you hold hands and smile in the rose garden.
From americaningermany a/k/a germaninamerica a/k/a ??????:
"Let's not legitimize these "parties" by giving either of them votes!
Party's over boys and girls."
I disagree - strongly. Either vote or keep your complaints to yourself.
I am getting quite a smile reading all of you Dem's posting on this thread.
Just can't take the truth, islamic jihadists want dems in power. Another Clintonish president would be great for the islamic movement....
The jihadist say it themselves and you still don't believe.... I could just imagine what things would be like right now if Kerry were president....
Just can't take the truth, islamic jihadists want dems in power
sometimes what you wish for is what finishes you.
The japs WANTED war with America,that turned out swell.so because thats what they want, dont mean nothing.
need to get out of the 2 party mindset,we need somebody to lead this country before they sell us out.BOTH PARTY'S do that.None of them are for anything but themselves or their rich buddy's,who's for the American people?
Patriot8, no politician is for the people they "represent." This is why we desperately need term limits.
Well Ill be a monkey's aunt! [I'm an infidel]
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/world/middleeast/03documents.html?ex=1320210000&en=ba99ceafb0f67900&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
In the New York Times....
Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who had said they hoped to “leverage the Internet” to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein.
But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.
So - Bush didn't lie - after all.
Here’s the main point, however: whoever takes the reigns and leads, must do so with an iron fist and let no one have any doubt as to the message …we’re not staying forever, we’re leaving soon, and all of you who think this is a victory, know that we are leaving because we’re sick and tired of your insane, childish behavior over here in the ME and we’re done playing with you. Learn to live together. Learn how to create societies instead of tearing them down. Learn to get along because we don’t want to keep coming over to this sh*thole and deal with your pathetic nonsense. The next time we have to do ANYTHING over here, we’re doing it by way of ICBM and not going to put one foot on your miserable soil. You can learn to get along or the roaches will inherit the place …and we’ll be back after the air clears and we’ll do whatever the hell we want without you sticking your camel-poking noses into things.
Posted by: MaxInfidel
I don't believe that's possible - not in a world where nuclear and thermal weapons exist.
I do like the idea though - that maybe it's possible in the near future for the US to set up bases in Iran - so that it can do the same to Iran that was done in Iraq.
There is no doubt though for me - that Robert would have a better take on that one.
Correction:
future for the US to set up bases in Iraq - not Iran. Setting up bases in Iran can come later [smile]
"However, if muslims are all for Democrats, that's at least one good reason to vote anything BUT Democrats."
A few short years ago the majority Muslim vote in America went for Republicans. It would be interesting to see what the percentages are now.
MaxInfidel,
I don't believe in carrying out acts that allah would approve of if it were Muslims that were carrying them out. Certainly - Jesus would not approve.
What about the ones who are far more worthy than those who have been born in a blessed nation? who have been given power to fight to keep their rights? More worthy because they have REALLY suffered first hand at the cancer called Islam?
What about the children?
It took hundreds of years for this mess to turn into a deadly infection.
It is going to take a long time to get it turned around.
I believe we have to start somewhere. Why not Iraq?
Islam picked this fight a long time ago - because Muhammad told them to....the lone accuser who has no witnesses - no evidence but his own say so that he spoke with Gabriel in a cave.
And the kings of this world obviously never thought it important enough to "educate" themselves in the actula teachings of Islam.
As far as I'm concerned - you need not go any further than the Koran. It's the supreme authority of all of Islam - and it is BRUTAL! [enough said]
The Koran is not a big book.
I would not be surprised at all if the Book of Psalms alone - of the many in the Bible - was bigger. The Psalms has more chapters. [6?]
My point: It requires a lot of laziness and incompetence from the many kings who have ignored this problem.
What else did they expect from the teachings of Beheadings, Gang Rape of female captives, Crucifixions, the Cutting Off of Limbs and Treason?
What else did they expect?
Where are all of those wise college professors when we need them?
Even in this day and age of the 'modern world' they STILL don't get it:
All will reap what is being sown.
So let's all build some more mosques - as Kerry brazenly holds his "uneducated" critics responsible for "misunderstanding" his "Blooper"
John Kerry and his cohorts are trapped in a Viet Nam mindset and can't get past fighting the war against that war.
This war is not political. It is cultural and our enemy is so foreign to everything we hold to be near and dear that they might as well come from another planet...and they are winning.
They are winning because their god forbids them to lose. That same god forbids them to make peace. That god allows them to "negotiate" when they need to regroup and rearm but requires them to continue the fight on any and all fronts.
They will not stop until they are stopped, and stopping them is going to take fire and slaughter.
The great question now is: "Does the West, with all its resources, with all its might, knowledge and "social conscience" have the one thing it needs to win this war; the stomach for it?
The great question now is: "Does the West, with all its resources, with all its might, knowledge and "social conscience" have the one thing it needs to win this war; the stomach for it?
Posted by: USBeast
Your post is a great post.
As for the latter part of your post - I have no hope for the answer that was ALREADY given, because....
Mention the word "Jesus" in public - and it is certain that we will be attacked from all directions. [by other religions who deny Him - and the 'secularists' [athiests] {You are either hot or cold Rev 3:16]
The answer lies in the prophecy given already by God - concerning Palestine.
It was written - that the saints DO 'sing' the song of Moses} Rev 15:3 [If they're not 'singing' it - they can call themselves Christians till blue in the face and the cows come home - and in the end - they will STILL be found liars - according to the Word of God]
The song of Moses condemns Palestine for end time} http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd015.html#14
And because God says that there must be 2 or 3 witnesses for the matter to be established} Deu 19:15.... we must present at least one more.
Here's two more:
Joel
Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with Me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render Me a recompence? and if ye recompense Me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head
Isaiah
Isa 14:31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina [if you support Palestine - then you are Palestine], art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke {smoke comes from the mouth} Rev 9:18 ], and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
Jer 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north
Mat 12:30 He that is not with Me - is against Me {there is no inbetween]
We are either 'singing' the song of Moses - or we're not.
God condemned Palestine for end times - a very long time ago!
And here is Palestine - for the whole world to see - spreading 'fires' [fighting] around the globe.
The god of the Koran [allah] forgot to mention Palestine.
This is the Power to stop the god of the teachings of Beheadings, Gang Rape, Severing Limbs and Crucufuxions - all acts of exceeding wickedness.
Until the voices [mostly, the media giants] of this world come forth with that Power - the god of the exceedingly wicked acts - will prosper.
Let none blame the True God - when they get everything they fought for - and more.
Much more!
2Cr 10:4 The weapons [Scriptures] of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds.
Hbr 4:12 For the word {Stone] of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I guess God has decided to put all men who claim to be Christians
to the Test!
For those who are offended at the word used by flesh [God] - that word is only a title.
He does have a NEW name} Isa 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. {{{So says the 'Torah'] Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith...; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone [Word of God] a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. [You have to go into the 'hidden manna' to get it] If you don't know it - don't fret}}}}Jam 2:23 http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/a/1162841627-5733.html}}} Exd 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. He gave a new name} http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#2
Believing that He is so - is the first part} Hbr 11:6
The title 'God' is only that - a title. Even God - says there are many false gods http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/f/1162841855-4803.html 215 verses] - who have false prophets http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/f/1162841902-7835.html [9 verses]- leaving only one conclusion} there ARE false ''''''religions''''''''
Don't egt caught up in such a ridiculous argument.
It's either Holy - or it's not.
The teachings of the Koran http://palestinename.com/frmouth.htm - are not 'Holy'
But - you be your own judge - and know...
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
It is God Who gives life - therefore ONLY God has the right to take it - and take it - He does.
He already ordained that ALL men must die - whether before our time or at old age - ALL GO TO THE GRAVE.
WOE WOE WOE be unto those who believe they have the right to take lives - lives they did not give - nor can give back - after taking them.
These ones who do such things - prove - they do not fear God.
For God already said - "Vengence belongeth unto Me"
And they claim - they believe there is a Day of Judgment....where God is the Judge.
Why carry out the ultimate judgment - before the time?
Isa 30:18 And therefore will the LORD wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you: for the LORD is a God of judgment: blessed are all they that wait for him.
That Day is coming.
WOE unto those who believe they have the right to fill graves - a thing they know nothing about!
Luk 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
There always comes the time - when God cleans out the bottomless pit....regularly.
Jhn 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice
Not ALL will be in their graves. The ones who are not - are spread upon the earth as dung - which stinks - and rots - and is blown away by the wind - as though it were never anything to begin with.
I don't expect the 'intellectual elite' to understand - not when the logic is coming from a low life sinning dummy like me.
I'm just a tool - for making many fools - come Judgment Day!
It will come.